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Post by crys on Jun 18, 2012 20:03:31 GMT -5
@suburban Plankton, thank you for the response. I agree that "because s/he did it first" is a lame reason for a vote; I see the validity of multiple reasonings here today, and thought it would be better to "double" the vote ON someone who seems scummy AND WITH someone who seems Town...unless I'm missing something, it doesn't make sense to me to spread the vote unnecessarily. Sometimes who you think is scummy may not be scum which is why its good to share your thoughts and perceptions with others. Its kind of like getting a second opinion on the first dianosis Sent from my SCH-I405 using ProBoards
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Post by jlrinmke on Jun 18, 2012 20:07:55 GMT -5
I am town, but I know I'm not contributing much, so vote as you wish.
What is PIS?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 18, 2012 20:27:22 GMT -5
Patricia - 2 votes (Meeko, LadyRogue) jlrinmke - 2 votes (Hal Briston, annetastic) Inner Stickler - 1 vote (Archangel) michelehunter - 1 vote (dizzymrslizzy)
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Post by oldred on Jun 19, 2012 5:26:40 GMT -5
vote innerstickler
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 19, 2012 5:42:12 GMT -5
i doubt that your vote will count. you were killed last Night.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 19, 2012 8:34:20 GMT -5
i doubt that your vote will count. you were killed last Night. New to mafia,,,, The Zombie Vote!
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 19, 2012 8:52:31 GMT -5
New to mafia,,,, The Zombie Vote! LOL... although that's sorta what we have now... players being killed then coming back to life in a new, unknown role /zombie wombat
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 19, 2012 9:58:19 GMT -5
"Perfect Information Syndrome". It's speaking in such a way that makes it seem like you know more than you should. For example: In a previous game, Day ended and we were waiting to hear the result when one player commented on how "that day totally sucked". That struck me as very odd -- yes, a lot of townies had to role claim, but it would be ok if our lynch candidate turned out to be scum. But she didn't, and this player's comment made me think he'd been saying "That sucked, several townies had to role-claim and we wound up lynching town anyway". Town couldn't know that, but scum could. In that case, Perfect Information Syndrome netted us the scum Godfather. Like I said, it doesn't actually apply to what you said that made me initially suspicious of you. I still think your voting record is as good an indicator as anything, though.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 19, 2012 11:14:29 GMT -5
Vote jlrinmke
I voted for him/her on D5 before I was persuaded to change my vote to Pleo. jlrinmke's latest post does look like scum not knowing what to say.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 19, 2012 16:14:16 GMT -5
New to mafia,,,, The Zombie Vote! LOL... although that's sorta what we have now... players being killed then coming back to life in a new, unknown role /zombie wombat Let's look DEAD out there people!!!!
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Post by texcat on Jun 19, 2012 16:56:04 GMT -5
VOTE: Hal I didn't know we could still vote.
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Post by cathi on Jun 19, 2012 22:46:11 GMT -5
Not much action in here...here are my thoughts regarding those up for the lynch thus far: Patricia: I don't think that being anti-Meeko equals being scum. I'm reserving judgement on her for now, but I do think a look at someone who wants to lynch the individual (Meeko) who was correct about someone else's (Pleonast) scumminess is valid. jlrinmke/InnerStickler/michellehunter: This seems to be a case of testing the veracity of Pleonast's "results" more than anything else. I will placeholder Vote: jlrinmke as I am interested to discover if Pleonast's list was real or if it was a safe place for his scumbuddies to hide out. gnarlycharlie: How do you know how many kills the scums get per Night? If it's through one of those formulas, nevermind, I don't understand them.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 20, 2012 3:05:15 GMT -5
Not much action in here...here are my thoughts regarding those up for the lynch thus far: Patricia: I don't think that being anti-Meeko equals being scum. I'm reserving judgement on her for now, but I do think a look at someone who wants to lynch the individual (Meeko) who was correct about someone else's (Pleonast) scumminess is valid. jlrinmke/InnerStickler/michellehunter: This seems to be a case of testing the veracity of Pleonast's "results" more than anything else. I will placeholder Vote: jlrinmke [/color] as I am interested to discover if Pleonast's list was real or if it was a safe place for his scumbuddies to hide out. gnarlycharlie: How do you know how many kills the scums get per Night? If it's through one of those formulas, nevermind, I don't understand them.[/quote] i'm assuming that based on the number of kills at Dawn. it could actually be three with one of them blocked but that seems unlikely.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 20, 2012 6:16:09 GMT -5
it could actually be three with one of them blocked but that seems unlikely. I don't know...as much as I'd like to think they have a progressively smaller number of kills based on the number of scum remaining, I'm not sure that's the case. If I we're scum, and we had three kills each night, I'd definitely have someone go after me each night, just hoping that the doc decided to try and outguess them one night by protecting elsewhere. No real way to know just yet, though...
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 20, 2012 7:25:18 GMT -5
it could actually be three with one of them blocked but that seems unlikely. I don't know...as much as I'd like to think they have a progressively smaller number of kills based on the number of scum remaining, I'm not sure that's the case. If I we're scum, and we had three kills each night, I'd definitely have someone go after me each night, just hoping that the doc decided to try and outguess them one night by protecting elsewhere. No real way to know just yet, though... true. however i can't see how it would be fair should we get down to, say, five players with one scum left. with three NKs, it would be even at Dawn and scum would win.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jun 20, 2012 7:27:01 GMT -5
Hmmm, looking back over it, I think people are wrong about jlrinmke.
In fact I would be surprised if any of the three investigation results, Pleonast claimed on Day 5 would come back as anything other than town.
One simple reason.
Hal B had not claimed on that day and there was always the possiblity they may have cross investigated, which would have caused a major problem. After that, if accepted, Pleonast could slip scum in as required and yes, Inner Stickler is a possibility.
What draws my eye again is Day 5 between texcat and Pleonast, and they more I look at it, the more it looks to me like the scum planned that one, which means there should be a couple more scum on the lynch of texcat than just Pleonast, if only for the short term townie cred it would produce:
Removing confirmed town/scum leaves: starrirain_v2, guiri_v2, Archangel, dizzymrslizzy, gnarlycharlie, jlrinmke, cathi
Of the above, I am most suspicious of Archangel, dizzymrslizzy, gnarlycharlie as they effectively swung the vote to texcat on Day 5. There were a couple of late votes on both texcat and Pleonast, but the it was pretty much sealed by this point.
Of those, the one who is making me most nervous is Archangel, if only because she is voting for Inner Stickler.
Lynching a lurker when we still have plenty of people to look at just seems wrong.
For the moment:
Vote: Archangel
I'll be looking at the others if I get time.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 20, 2012 8:19:03 GMT -5
Hmmm, looking back over it, I think people are wrong about jlrinmke. In fact I would be surprised if any of the three investigation results, Pleonast claimed on Day 5 would come back as anything other than town. One simple reason. Hal B had not claimed on that day and there was always the possiblity they may have cross investigated, which would have caused a major problem. After that, if accepted, Pleonast could slip scum in as required and yes, Inner Stickler is a possibility. What draws my eye again is Day 5 between texcat and Pleonast, and they more I look at it, the more it looks to me like the scum planned that one, which means there should be a couple more scum on the lynch of texcat than just Pleonast, if only for the short term townie cred it would produce: Removing confirmed town/scum leaves: starrirain_v2, guiri_v2, Archangel, dizzymrslizzy, gnarlycharlie, jlrinmke, cathi Of the above, I am most suspicious of Archangel, dizzymrslizzy, gnarlycharlie as they effectively swung the vote to texcat on Day 5. There were a couple of late votes on both texcat and Pleonast, but the it was pretty much sealed by this point. Of those, the one who is making me most nervous is Archangel, if only because she is voting for Inner Stickler. Lynching a lurker when we still have plenty of people to look at just seems wrong. For the moment: [BLEACHED] Vote: Archangel I'll be looking at the others if I get time. I can't argue with that because it makes sense, though it happens to be wrong. I may switch my vote to GnarlyCharlie, however, because, like Texcat, he seems to be playing much more carefully than he usually does (in fact, I find it outright odd that he's never been the slightest bit suspicious of me in this game). I also think there's something to your logic about the swing vote. I think both he and Inner Stickler are likely to be scum but I see your point that it's more useful to lynch active players than lurkers. (Though I am genuinely worried about what happens when we get down to Lylo and it's mostly lurkers.)
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 20, 2012 9:32:02 GMT -5
Please, what is "Lylo"? Clearly it means late in the game, but I sense not quite or in a different way.....?
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 20, 2012 9:44:28 GMT -5
Please, what is "Lylo"? Clearly it means late in the game, but I sense not quite or in a different way.....? "Lynch Or Lose". It's when we have double the number of town players as we do scum players, plus one. Basically it's the point where if we don't have a successful scum lynch, we lose.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 20, 2012 9:50:48 GMT -5
Hmmm, looking back over it, I think people are wrong about jlrinmke. In fact I would be surprised if any of the three investigation results, Pleonast claimed on Day 5 would come back as anything other than town. One simple reason. Hal B had not claimed on that day and there was always the possiblity they may have cross investigated, which would have caused a major problem. After that, if accepted, Pleonast could slip scum in as required and yes, Inner Stickler is a possibility. What draws my eye again is Day 5 between texcat and Pleonast, and they more I look at it, the more it looks to me like the scum planned that one, which means there should be a couple more scum on the lynch of texcat than just Pleonast, if only for the short term townie cred it would produce: Removing confirmed town/scum leaves: starrirain_v2, guiri_v2, Archangel, dizzymrslizzy, gnarlycharlie, jlrinmke, cathi Of the above, I am most suspicious of Archangel, dizzymrslizzy, gnarlycharlie as they effectively swung the vote to texcat on Day 5. There were a couple of late votes on both texcat and Pleonast, but the it was pretty much sealed by this point. Of those, the one who is making me most nervous is Archangel, if only because she is voting for Inner Stickler. Lynching a lurker when we still have plenty of people to look at just seems wrong. For the moment: [BLEACHED] Vote: Archangel I'll be looking at the others if I get time. I can't argue with that because it makes sense, though it happens to be wrong. I may switch my vote to GnarlyCharlie, however, because, like Texcat, he seems to be playing much more carefully than he usually does (in fact, I find it outright odd that he's never been the slightest bit suspicious of me in this game). I also think there's something to your logic about the swing vote. I think both he and Inner Stickler are likely to be scum but I see your point that it's more useful to lynch active players than lurkers. (Though I am genuinely worried about what happens when we get down to Lylo and it's mostly lurkers.) i may just be getting a better idea of your town play. if i have been careful it's because i haven't been able to catch up so i'm looking at the arguments others have put forward and see what i agree with most. Please, what is "Lylo"? Clearly it means late in the game, but I sense not quite or in a different way.....? Lynch or Lose. Town much lynch scum or lose the game.
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 20, 2012 13:05:03 GMT -5
so I haven't seen a whole heckuva lot to comment on toDay... which makes me think that there's another experienced Scum on their team. Not a lot of posts in general and nothing to catch in wording... so I'm thinking they're on their guard. I could be way off, but it makes me question the active, experienced players, of which, Archangel, SuburbanPlankton, GnarlyCharlie, and CatinaSuit seem to stand out. (after Pleo flipped Scum, I don't think Meeko is Scum.)
Problem is, I don't have any other reason to suspect these people... SuburbanPlankton and GnarlyCharlie could be Scum, but both had a big chunk of inactive time, so they wouldn't be as trusted by the Scum, unless they're all completely lost, I would think. CatinaSuit and Archangel are on the same page, which could possibly make them both Scum with a plan, but studying their posts individually flags practically nothing for me.
And then there's the possibility that folks like InnerStickler and TotalUllz are Scum, and are trying some sort of ploy where they're "lurking" on these boards, but perhaps active on the Scum boards. I don't know what advantage that might have, but couldn't there be a strategy to that, as we're not really going after lurkers hardcore?
That said, I'm leaning toward InnerStickler (nothing on him/her over TotalUllz, but others see things on that one, too), but I'm not completely off Archangel or CatinaSuit, either. No actual vote yet, but wanted to share my train of thought.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 20, 2012 14:21:23 GMT -5
VOTE: Hal I didn't know we could still vote. You're lucky then, a definite scum win lol gnarly is looking Townie in this game, he is doing his normal short posts and isn't really picking on anyone, I wouldn't bet on my reasoning though. I still like Archangel for scum and would be quite willing to change my vote if it's needed.
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 20, 2012 14:43:29 GMT -5
Vote Inner Stickler
I agree with the suggestions that say we start lynching lurkers, and in the absence of any evidence one way or another indicating scum/town, i say just start with the lowest number of posts and go in order. inner Stickler hasn't posted at all since Day1.
I like this strategy because we really do have a problem if we go after actives only and only lurkers are left at the end of the game; it is difficult (impossible) to form any sort of opinion on players when they arent playing; and it might flush out anyone who is hiding out on the scum board directing things behind the scenes. Hello lurking scum, it is time to come out into the light and play or you will be lynched.
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 20, 2012 14:46:09 GMT -5
NETA I'm still not happy with Michelehunter either but haven't had a response yet on her dizzy smudge.
I see no reason to vote jlrmnke, i do not get anything scummy from her.
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Post by starrirain on Jun 20, 2012 15:10:23 GMT -5
I can't really say I agree with the direction the Day has taken. I think Pleo left our glasses overflowing, and this was obviously his intent. CIAS hit that nail on the head imho. We have a cop who most of us believe to be Town, Hal could have investigated anyone on Pleo's list at any time. So it makes sense for him to throw a bunch of Town in there to (a.) cover him while he is claiming Town detective and (b.) leave plenty of WIFOM behind for when he flipped scum. So I decided to ignore his list of 'Investigated Townies' for the time being, as it IS the perfect distraction for us, I believe this was the intent and his plan is working perfectly(well, his intent if he were found out that is, he was obviously hoping to ride this one out for a bit). Here is one that made me take another look back on someone though. I couldn't help but notice in D6 after many were buying into Pleo's claim(or at least waiting to see how things played out), he says 'we need to start deciding who is town.' Oddly enough, in his previous post, he does this! Have a gander idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1955&page=2#95153Subtly slips in the 'I think the other late votes are important. I think gnarlycharlie and cathi are more likely to be town because of their votes. And I'm pretty sure crys is not.' Personally, I think gnarlycharlie is most likely Town, but cathi on the other hand, hmmmmm... If you ask me cathi sure seems worried about where to place her vote toDay. Let me share with you a few more cathi moments which ping me. idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1918&page=4#92248D1 -snipped- On a personal level, I can empathize here, I suffer from anxiety as well. But, I've not found a reason to feel anxious about the game. Even being mislynched on D1, which sure I was a lil disappointed about the ways things turned out, but not anxious. Not to say that I assume every persons' anxiety must mirror my own, only that I think scum have reason be anxious about the game. There was also this strange question to richbeckman in D3 p3 that I took as a scum cuddle. @rich, does a Vig know who's scum ahead of time? I thought the role gave the person a kill, but they had to figure out who on their own. Or do you know something I don't? She sounds very worried about the 'vig' aka PFK guiri v1 after scum turned up dead two Nights in a row. What really makes this more of a scum cuddle in my eyes, is that richbeckman is on the noob train with a lot of us here, so it seems a strange question to direct specifically to him. I have to assume he has about as much information as the rest of us have/had our first game, unless he is on the scum team. D5, scum gloating along with being worried, again, about how her voting looks I'm sorry, LadyRogue. As for me, I'm obviously not doing a good job of finding scum; my list of people to look at is almost completely dead and/or Town. 2 of my 3 votes were for Town. I'm actually a little afraid to vote again--eurgh! I'm wondering what people think about Colby11's apparent claim of detective during the night. I also wonder if his "random" vote isn't so random...on the chance he's a detective, I'm tempted to vote for JBG; next on my agenda is reading through JBG's posts to see if there's anything there to support a vote. Unless, Colby11, it really was random? In the meantime, thoughts? Anyone wanna comment or expand on this? I welcome fruitful conversation. I should throw in here that I agree amykb pings, though I can't quite put my finger on it. Vote cathi
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 20, 2012 15:30:52 GMT -5
Exactly the kind of analysis we need going on, starrirain. Some nice points there -- I'd definitely say that cathi warrants a closer look.
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Post by cathi on Jun 20, 2012 18:26:35 GMT -5
Wow...take things out of context much, starrirain?
I was checking in to see if there was any activity (I didn't expect to reply, just keeping up on my reading), so unfortunately, I haven't time to address your points right now, but I will be back later.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 20, 2012 20:59:29 GMT -5
gnarly is looking Townie in this game, he is doing his normal short posts and isn't really picking on anyone, I wouldn't bet on my reasoning though. I still like Archangel for scum and would be quite willing to change my vote if it's needed. not very flattering when one's playstyle can be summed up in one sentence. LOL that's is why i am slowly changing my play. i've started on the Giraffe boards. it will be done here and the Dope as well. Vote Inner SticklerI agree with the suggestions that say we start lynching lurkers, and in the absence of any evidence one way or another indicating scum/town, i say just start with the lowest number of posts and go in order. inner Stickler hasn't posted at all since Day1. I like this strategy because we really do have a problem if we go after actives only and only lurkers are left at the end of the game; it is difficult (impossible) to form any sort of opinion on players when they arent playing; and it might flush out anyone who is hiding out on the scum board directing things behind the scenes. Hello lurking scum, it is time to come out into the light and play or you will be lynched. that's why i was thinking that Hal should investigate inactives. if they're town, scum still has to kill them. of course we should be lynching in the active list. makes it hard for scum to hide.
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Post by crys on Jun 20, 2012 21:54:19 GMT -5
Wow...take things out of context much, starrirain? I was checking in to see if there was any activity (I didn't expect to reply, just keeping up on my reading), so unfortunately, I haven't time to address your points right now, but I will be back later. Ok, so I thought I would give your post here the attention it deserves Cathi. Starrain makes a very interesting and valid case about you. I did give you the benefit of the doubt and reread both days and I can't for the life of me see where starrain took something out of context. The post you just made a little bit ago throws all kinds of red flags for me, and I even gave a couple of hours before coming back to voice my opinion on things just in case you had some valid points of your own to come back with. You haven't so it screams of newbie scum trying to get some information on how to do damage control. This is enough for me to vote you. Vote: cathi [/color]
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Post by patricia on Jun 20, 2012 22:56:49 GMT -5
Well thanks to Hal we have gotten great information for the pass couple of game days. Wish we had a confirmed scum for day as the votes are all over the place and not many people are even talking.
I really did think Meeko was scum, even now I wonder if he and pleo are/were scum buddies - going after each other to keep the heat off themselves. So Meeko I will be reading your posts carefully - even if that makes me look scummy to others.
So I have read and read but still have no idea who to vote for...
Where is everyone? Are all the active players dead?
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