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Post by starrirain on Jun 20, 2012 23:53:41 GMT -5
I would like to state in case it wasn't clear, I am NOT trying to attack you personally cathi (anxiety, I did say I suffer from this as well didn't I?)
I dunno if anyone else in here suffers from this aside form the two of us, so I felt my thoughts were important for comparrison.
I will repeat, it is NOT a personal attack.
I don't believe in personal attacks while gaming(I also try to avoid them IRL), it confuses gameplay and makes for a sour environment...no one wants to see that mess.
But an accusation about suspected scumminess does not fall into this category, at least I don't feel that it does. If I am accusing you of being scum, it's nothing personal, it's simply part of the game.
So please, don't take MY post out of context.
I meant in no way to be offensive, and apologize sincerely if I did so by mistake.
I thought I handled my wording with the utmost care as to make it clear it wasn't something personal, even stating how I empathize with you. And didn't I also say I don't expect everyone's anxiety to mirror mine? It was not meant to be anything but gameplay, nothing personal okay?
If I may make an example of the recent Meeko/Pleo craze for instance. Had Meeko found some substance elsewhere in Pleo's posts, other than attacking Pleo's playstyle(personal attack), perhaps people wouldn't have been so suspicious of him. AND maybe Pleo would have gotten the attention he deserved much sooner. Instead, we all got a MONTH AND A HALF long(RL time of course) eye sore to deal with. Of course I have no way nor the experience to know for sure, but that is just my personal view on how it all got so out of hand.
Had I come out saying 'cathi has anxiety, she must be scum', well that's not exactly scum hunting, that would be making in game assumptions based on out of game facts. But it does happen to go along with the rest of my case against you. In fact, I didn't look at the first post until the question to richbeckman in D3, which I still can't see any other way to wrap my brain around.
Now that I think I've thouroughly gotten my point across there, might I be so bold as to ask what else I may have 'taken out of context' here?
These are my views and opinions to share with the group...this is what we're supposed to be doing right?(can anyone tell me if I'm doing it right?) I can't help but feel like I've gotten a lot of static for saying what I think. But in retrospect, the bulk of it was scummy defense(texcat and Pleo counterattacking me)
My thoughts have been and are always open for pleasant debates and discussions, this is why we post them no? I always welcome it, do I not? Sometimes it's even been helpful to me when I DO get feedback(even in disagreement), and can see things from another's point of view.
Sorry if that was too much for you guys to read, I just really wanted to make it clear that it wasn't my intention to personally attack anyone, and would never try anything so underhanded as to use someone's personal life against them in the game.
cathi did not give much to go on in her recent post to tell me what I took out of context, so I jumped to this conclusion because I can't see anything else she could be referring to, at least without her explanation. I also wouldn't mind asking Idle, Theoretically, what happens if we get to Lylo and still have an abundance of inactive players? [/b]
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 21, 2012 6:38:15 GMT -5
jlrinmke - 4 votes (Hal Briston, annetastic, Silver Jan, cathi) Patricia - 2 votes (Meeko, LadyRogue) Inner Stickler - 2 votes (Archangel, wombat99) cathi - 2 votes (starrirain, crys) michelehunter - 1 vote (dizzymrslizzy) Archangel - 1 vote (CatInASuit)
Nothing special happens, town still loses if they lynch a towns person at lynch or lose no matter how many inactives.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 21, 2012 8:53:32 GMT -5
I also wouldn't mind asking [][] Idle, Theoretically, what happens if we get to Lylo and still have an abundance of inactive players? [][] By Definiton of Lylo, At Lylo, an "abundance" of players, active or inactive would not exist. I'm not sure I follow the question.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 21, 2012 10:51:54 GMT -5
I'm the one who initially raised this question so I'll explain what my concern is (which still hasn't been fully addressed). Lylo is two town and one scum. What happens if we get to the point where the two town left are lurkers? How will the win be determined?
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 21, 2012 11:00:29 GMT -5
I'm the one who initially raised this question so I'll explain what my concern is (which still hasn't been fully addressed). Lylo is two town and one scum. What happens if we get to the point where the two town left are lurkers? How will the win be determined? Surely scum would win. Scum could just lynch one Town and it would be game over.
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 21, 2012 11:14:22 GMT -5
<snip> Can someone better at math than me figure out if the night kills of last night imply a kill was blocked? Well, two were killed last night and one was killed the night before...so if a kill was blocked last night, then two kills were blocked the night before. Since two were killed last night, but only one the night before, it seems reasonable that someone was successfully protected the night before. Are scum required to use all of their kills each Night?
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Post by Archangel on Jun 21, 2012 11:21:51 GMT -5
I'm the one who initially raised this question so I'll explain what my concern is (which still hasn't been fully addressed). Lylo is two town and one scum. What happens if we get to the point where the two town left are lurkers? How will the win be determined? Surely scum would win. Scum could just lynch one Town and it would be game over. Town*can* win, if the two living town members choose correctly at the lynch. (If they don't, and one of the town members is lynched, then scum wins.) But my point is if the two living town are inactive, how will it be decided? I suppose the remaining active scum can vote, and if there is only one vote down, that person is lynched and town loses, but it seems unfair for town to lose based on having two inactive players being the remaining players.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 21, 2012 11:31:09 GMT -5
Vote: Meeko
My reasoning being: I thought he was Scum earlier in the game, and he's done nothing to change that opinion.
There was quite a bit of 'Meeko vs. Pleonast' going on over the past coupkle Days. Now Pleo has flipped Scum...which seems to have caused a lot of people to assume Meeko must be Town (judging by the fact that almost nobody has even mentioned him Today). I'm not sure why that is, since Pleo's flip tells us absolutely nothing about anyone but Pleo.
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Post by supermel on Jun 21, 2012 11:32:13 GMT -5
[/color] My reasoning being: I thought he was Scum earlier in the game, and he's done nothing to change that opinion. There was quite a bit of ' Meeko vs. Pleonast' going on over the past coupkle Days. Now Pleo has flipped Scum...which seems to have caused a lot of people to assume Meeko must be Town (judging by the fact that almost nobody has even mentioned him Today). I'm not sure why that is, since Pleo's flip tells us absolutely nothing about anyone but Pleo.[/quote] I agree Pleo being scum does not immediately clear Meeko.
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Post by supermel on Jun 21, 2012 11:55:15 GMT -5
Read back over inner stickler's posts using the search function. Due to inactivity and for being pro-Pleo at the beginning i am vote: inner stickler
I really feel those that are not playing at all, will hurt town in the long run..
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 21, 2012 12:08:21 GMT -5
I'm going to go down the list of players and give my impressions, in numerical order, (and get as far as I can before I have to do some real work ): ------------------------------------------------------------ 3. Gnarlycharlie: I think it's an interesting coincidence that he has become an active participant at the very time that Pleonast was killed. Maybe scum needed a new leader, or maybe just a coincidence and nothing more. Hmph...going after my confirmeds now. Since I'm still here, I'm going to work under the assumption that A) we still have a doc, and B) that I'm protected. Until a doc turns up dead, I'll be keeping townie investigations (like last night's) under wraps for now. good idea. alternatively, you can investigate inactives and share results while we lynch active players. if scum NKs a confirmed town, it will be an inactive one. it's like what Pleo was "doing" but at least we can trust you. This bothers me. Other experienced players are at least acknowledging that is *possible* that Hal is scum and is doing the same thing Pleo did. Gnarlycharlie should know this too. Instead he is trying to build up trust for Hal. ----------------------------------------------------------- 5. Suburban Plankton: Neutral; I would like to know *why* he thought Meeko was scum earlier in the game: [/color] My reasoning being: I thought he was Scum earlier in the game, and he's done nothing to change that opinion. [/quote] ------------------------------------------------ 8. Catinasuit: Town lean due to his reasoning about why jlrnmke is a bad lynch. ---------------------------------------------------- 9. Archangel: Town lean due to her well-reasoned pro-town posts; but then again she is in the same category as a few others - a good player who could easily fool me. ---------------------------------------------------------- 11. Cathi: Seems overall like newbie Town to me, but OTOH she hasn't come back to answer Starrirain's questions, and that's scummy behavior. More later ~
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Post by cathi on Jun 21, 2012 13:40:04 GMT -5
Okay, I'm back. And I see there's even MORE to reply to; here I go! @ starrirain, I don't know why you think I'm taking your comments personally, I assure you I'm not (truly!). If you're referring to the anxiety I expressed feeling, my Day 1 post was referencing the fact that I was taking the "responsibility" of lynching someone way too seriously. And that was on Day 1: I'd never played Mafia before, I had no idea what was going down or how, and I was in fear saying anything. So I got a grip, put it in perspective, and have been, for lack of a better word, coasting since. Your next point, my question to richbeckman. If you read a few posts earlier in the day, you'll see that my question was directed at him specifically because he stated: "It seems logical to me that there is only one Vig, since only one Scum is being killed each night. Does that not make sense?" I thought #ScumKilled=#Vig, as he concluded, was too simple. At the time, most of us assumed one of the secret roles was that of Vigilante. My point was that there COULD be 2 Vigilantes, and one was hitting a Townie each night, and that wasn't a factor for richbeckman...unless he knew something we didn't. FYI, I am on the "noob train" with you and richbeckman and many of the others. And your last point, regarding my voting appearance: I am not so worried about HOW my votes look; I am worried that they're RIGHT. As for my comment to LadyRogue, I didn't apologize because she was mislynched, but because I helped do it. As to my "taken out of context" comment: I thought that you applied the Day 1/anxiety comment to the game at large, rather than a commentary on playing a new game almost completely in the dark. I also thought that you didn't read back on Day 3 to see WHY I asked a question of richbeckman specifically, as it was to question his information source. I think I hit everything, I'm sure someone will let me know if I missed something. starrirain again, thanks for reminding me that richbeckman was once a blip on my radar. I think I'll go dig there.
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Post by cassipietz on Jun 21, 2012 14:36:52 GMT -5
Oh crap, I completely forgot about what went down on Day Five. jlrinmke moved the vote off of Pleo and on to Texcat -- the vote was down to two scum on the hotseat, and better to lynch the one who wasn't a fake detective! Plus, annem picked up on a very nice possible scum slip (color bleached): You'd 'rather not mislynch' Pleo, so you're voting for the current vote leader without any other explanation as to why they deserve it. What if that's a mislynch? As I said, I don't feel any of the vote leaders are particularly deserving of lynching today, so I'll Vote: jlrinmke I even voted for her, based on the "rather not mislynch" line, which I felt was a PIS scum slip. The only reason my vote came off of her was because it was pointed out she'd been "cleared" by Pleo. Since that vouching is now worth its weight in ostrich droppings, I'm bringing this one back... Vote jlrinmkeI have read and reread the posts throughout the week and this post seems the most convincing for me to vote jlrinmkeI think that Pleo must have slipped at least one scum in his investigation and this one seems the scummiest to me because of the textcat/pleo vote-trying to save a scummy detective knowing that scum is going down comes across scummy
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 21, 2012 15:41:27 GMT -5
More impressions: ------------------------------------------------------ 13. jlrinmke: Townish read on her; she could be scum but the reasons given for voting her are not substantial enough to risk another mislynch, IMHO. She did help tip the vote to Texcat instead of Pleo, but her reasoning was that she was deciding between the lynch leaders and would rather not mislynch a Detective. That seems reasonable and pro-town to me. ------------------------------------------------------ 14. phoenixphyre: She's been totally under the radar and has a very low number of posts (17). I'm thinking scum because of this post on Day7 *after* Pleo's impending lynch was revealed: ok I finally decided it was time to figure this game out, right! So I started making charts and tables and looking at what people write and do...and I wrote this whole thing at night about Pleo, and if Pleo was a detective why we were not being given names like we were from Hal...folks kept saying "looking into lurkers" and I am thinking ...ok something else about the game I just don't know/understand yet. So I kept quiet. I also looked at Pleo's votes, and compared them to other's votes, and mine, and something just did not add up. But again I am new (sorry not an excuse, but I am still feeling my way and that is just the truth) so I chalked it up to just not knowing enough...but now I find my "radar" if you will was not that far off base, and maybe (I said maybe) I am getting the hang-feel of this. At least I hope so. I am sure you all do too. Anyway for all that, and for Hal (thank you thank you)Vote: Pleonast , Vote: End of day So, after the fact, she's saying she had Pleo all figured out but just didn't mention it. And these posts from Day7: could I also ask how the whole Doctor thing works? snipped - However, as I said, I was not sure how detectives worked, nor how doctors worked, and I thought perhaps a detective had to throw names out and deduce from responses who may be scum. It NEVER occurred to me that detectives could just ASK! phoenixphyre, please don't take this the wrong way, but I find it hard to believe that a Townie could get to Day7 and not know how Detectives and Doctors work. I think it's more likely that you're scum and you haven't needed to pay attention to the Detectives and Doctors, or Town power roles at all, because you've been focused on who to NK - possibly just following the lead of other scum. I'm considering changing my vote to phoenixphyre but I want to look at some more players first. -------------------------------------- 19. Supermel - Neutral; Decent number of posts, but not a lot of content. Asks for others to post more or says that she is unsure of what to do. Tends to follow others' leads on votes. ----------------------------------------- 21. Dizzymrslizzy: leaning scum. I've given my reasons previously but an additional reason is that she's been fairly quiet since Pleonast was lynched. (same for richbeckman, actually, who i will get to later). If Pleo was leading the scum then she might be in regrouping-mode.
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Post by starrirain on Jun 21, 2012 15:59:55 GMT -5
I also wouldn't mind asking [][] Idle, Theoretically, what happens if we get to Lylo and still have an abundance of inactive players? [][] By Definiton of Lylo, At Lylo, an "abundance" of players, active or inactive would not exist. I'm not sure I follow the question. kekeke Meeko , I guess it's not quite an abundance, but if we're down to Lylo and our only Town are inactive, then that is waaaay too many, two thirds of the players who would be left would be inactive! So in a sense, a game left with 3 people, 2 being inactive might be considered by some an over abundance of inactives. cathi that is good. I'm glad you didn't feel it personal. As I said before, I had jumped to that conculsion on my own as your first reply to my case on you was too vague for me to see your perspective on the other points. I didn't expect you to reply to the bulk of my second post towards you, it was mainly to express that I'm not trying to be vicious. I appreciate that you found time to give us your take on things. Your question to rich doesn't sound as scummy given your recent explanation. However, I can still read it both ways. I read it as, yes a soft smudge on rich , and worry. Since you never said you thought there could be more than one vig with one hitting a Townie each night, only asked rich if a vig knew who was scum ahead of time, which I'm still not sure how he would know...did you suspect he was a vig then? I thought the soft smudge was to counteract the scum cuddle. I do take into account you are new as we are. I can understand being worried about voting right, I have no idea of anyone's alighnement for sure 100% until they flip, as much as I feel I have a good read on a lot of the players. But then again, a 'right' vote for Town could be different than a 'right' vote for scum. It was the fact that you've mentioned more than once about you're own voting, I can't help but read it as scum worry. I hope if you ARE Town that something comes along to change my mind. Basically, I wanted to check out the less obvious places for Pleo to leave clues about his scum buddies, and it all just fit together too smoothly for my tastes. I still think at least the first names he threw out are likely Town due to my previous reasoning. Hey Pleo , it's not even the weekend here yet, can we stop drinking your wine? jlrinmke , what say ye!? You have 5 votes, toDay so far(I think). I really wish you would give us more than, 'I am town, but I know I'm not contributing much, so vote as you wish'. Especially given, there are people who DO think you're Town, and you could very well be lynched at this rate. Could we at least know your thoughts on who you suspect may be Town and or scum and why? These things might be helpful, maybe you saw something others didn't?
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 21, 2012 16:53:57 GMT -5
Surely scum would win. Scum could just lynch one Town and it would be game over. Town*can* win, if the two living town members choose correctly at the lynch. (If they don't, and one of the town members is lynched, then scum wins.) But my point is if the two living town are inactive, how will it be decided? I suppose the remaining active scum can vote, and if there is only one vote down, that person is lynched and town loses, but it seems unfair for town to lose based on having two inactive players being the remaining players. TOWN wins when they kill off all of the SCUM. SCUM wins when they get their team numbers EQUALING or GREATER THAN Town's team numbers. Lylo does not necessarily mean 2 town one scum, it is n scum and n+1 Town.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 21, 2012 17:49:29 GMT -5
21. Dizzymrslizzy: leaning scum. I've given my reasons previously but an additional reason is that she's been fairly quiet since Pleonast was lynched. (same for richbeckman, actually, who i will get to later). If Pleo was leading the scum then she might be in regrouping-mode. So the only reason you think I'm scum is because I've been quiet the last few days. Actually if you've noticed, I've been fairly quiet the last two weeks or so. My son finished up with school and I've been at the beach/pool/out 8+ hours a day. I've been coming home, catching up, doing the housework I've missed and going to bed. Sorry! I actually disagree with a LOT of the feelings you have.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 21, 2012 17:54:13 GMT -5
Everyone is talking about LYLO? Will we be informed when we are at LYLO or will it be blind like we make one last vote not knowing if it's our last or not.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 21, 2012 18:12:33 GMT -5
Just FTR here's our major Inactives now:
mistde Inner Stickler jerelijah aleetha Paranoia JustBeingGinger SusanMurphy
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 21, 2012 18:40:06 GMT -5
Just FTR here's our major Inactives now: mistde Inner Stickler jerelijah aleetha Paranoia JustBeingGinger SusanMurphy I would include Total Ullz as inactive.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 21, 2012 19:17:47 GMT -5
Town*can* win, if the two living town members choose correctly at the lynch. (If they don't, and one of the town members is lynched, then scum wins.) But my point is if the two living town are inactive, how will it be decided? I suppose the remaining active scum can vote, and if there is only one vote down, that person is lynched and town loses, but it seems unfair for town to lose based on having two inactive players being the remaining players. TOWN wins when they kill off all of the SCUM. SCUM wins when they get their team numbers EQUALING or GREATER THAN Town's team numbers. Lylo does not necessarily mean 2 town one scum, it is n scum and n+1 Town. You are correct! (And clearly better at math than I.
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Post by Archangel on Jun 21, 2012 19:18:31 GMT -5
Does this game end tonight or tomorrow night? I'm not sure when "midnight Friday" means (though I know it's Pacific time).
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Post by michelehunter on Jun 21, 2012 20:06:33 GMT -5
Sorry guys actually been enjoying the wonderful weather and the pool. I'm lost we have so many inactives I'm lost as where to start to vote. Seems some only joined for the benefits being offered to them and then dropped out? Sorry that's not the commitment you made when you agreed to play the game. vote jlrinmkeDoes this game end tonight or tomorrow night? I'm not sure when "midnight Friday" means (though I know it's Pacific time). Chris is 1 or 2 hours behind me and it's only 9pm on Thursday
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 21, 2012 20:51:33 GMT -5
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crys: Leaning scum. Kagemoto did make a good case for her being scum. Pleo voted for her on Day7 just before he was outed, possibly for the same reason he "investigated" Inner Stickler at the last minute - to WIFOM Town into believing both of them are Town (Pleo is scum so crys and Inner must be Town) but I think he switched the glasses again and both of them are scum. I think.
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annetastic: neutral, nothing stands out as particularly townie or scummy.
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Meeko: Hard to say since so much of his play has been Pleo-centric until now, but no reason to think scum, which is why I am interested in Suburban Plankton's reasons for voting for him.
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Amykb: Town vibe. Some good, thoughtful posts.
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JustBeingGinger: Town vibe also. She posted a couple of days ago that she was back in town and would be catching up; hopefully she will post soon.
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Total Ullz: inactive
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That's all for tonight.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 21, 2012 20:57:56 GMT -5
<snip> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Day. Day will end on Friday at midnight. OR if 13 people vote to end Day early. If you google "What time is it in Arizona" the top result will be the current time in Arizona"
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Post by jlrinmke on Jun 21, 2012 21:09:59 GMT -5
Hi starrirain - I don't know how to quote, so I can't make a box of your request to share my thoughts.
I feel like the more I say, the more people twist it around. I think that michelehunter is suspicious - for smudging dizzy and now for piling on me with her current vote. It's easy to vote for me now and take out a town, and by coming in late, she can vote for town without raising any eyebrows.
My comment about not contributing much has more to do with not really understanding how the game works, than it does with getting something for nothing. The more I read the posts, the more I feel like revealing a secret immunity to iocaine powder. Which would not be productive - sometimes, someone who say she's town just is town.
vote michelehunter
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 21, 2012 21:18:05 GMT -5
<snip> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- New Day. Day will end on Friday at midnight. OR if 13 people vote to end Day early. If you google "What time is it in Arizona" the top result will be the current time in Arizona" I think the concern is more of whether Idle considers 12:01am Friday to be just after Friday's midnight or 11:59pm Friday to be just before Friday's midnight. Properly, "midnight Friday" is in just hours. I suspect Idle means tomorrow night's midnight, though.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 21, 2012 21:31:37 GMT -5
My take was it was going to end 25 1/2 hours from now
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 21, 2012 21:35:44 GMT -5
I called it from the beginning sorry I wasn't here to vote guys, been really busy trying to get out stuff together for our vacation. Hint don't wait 6 weeks before you go to get a passport. Next on my list is Dizzy, she's been backing Pleo since the start of the game Wow, Michelehunter What are you thinking? 1- You never answered on my questioning your smudge (aka LIE) about me. WHY NOT? 2- N7 you were all about me being your next target, but all of a sudden you are voting Jlr with no explanation at all? I know I'm all alone here, but I'm confident in my vote here!
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Post by LadyRogue-II on Jun 21, 2012 21:55:10 GMT -5
Just for information sake it is 7:55 pm Thursday night for the time zone that Chris is in. Hope that helps tell everyone how many hours it is from there time zone. [
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