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Post by crys on Jun 21, 2012 22:16:49 GMT -5
More observations: --------------------------------------------------- crys: Leaning scum. Kagemoto did make a good case for her being scum. Pleo voted for her on Day7 just before he was outed, possibly for the same reason he "investigated" Inner Stickler at the last minute - to WIFOM Town into believing both of them are Town (Pleo is scum so crys and Inner must be Town) but I think he switched the glasses again and both of them are scum. I think. --------------------------------------------------------- annetastic: neutral, nothing stands out as particularly townie or scummy. ------------------------------------------------------- Meeko: Hard to say since so much of his play has been Pleo-centric until now, but no reason to think scum, which is why I am interested in Suburban Plankton's reasons for voting for him. ------------------------------------------------------- Amykb: Town vibe. Some good, thoughtful posts. ------------------------------------------------------- JustBeingGinger: Town vibe also. She posted a couple of days ago that she was back in town and would be catching up; hopefully she will post soon. ------------------------------------------------------------ Total Ullz: inactive ------------------------------------------------------------ That's all for tonight. I am town. I knew something was fishy with pleo from the beginning. you are still drinking the wifom that pleo put in front of you. i put pleo within one vote from the lynch leader and he targeted me AFTER that saying he thought i was scum. the only way to confirm my towniness is to either have a detective investigate me or lynch me. Sent from my SCH-I405 using ProBoards
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Post by michelehunter on Jun 21, 2012 23:26:15 GMT -5
I called it from the beginning sorry I wasn't here to vote guys, been really busy trying to get out stuff together for our vacation. Hint don't wait 6 weeks before you go to get a passport. Next on my list is Dizzy, she's been backing Pleo since the start of the game Wow, Michelehunter What are you thinking? 1- You never answered on my questioning your smudge (aka LIE) about me. WHY NOT? 2- N7 you were all about me being your next target, but all of a sudden you are voting Jlr with no explanation at all? I know I'm all alone here, but I'm confident in my vote here! ROFLOL, I didn't see your question and you can be confident as you were before and AGAIN you'll be proved wrong, I am town vanilla as they come, but time will prove that to you. Sorry you don't like the way I SEE things but I don't like the way you see things, guess that makes us even no?
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Post by michelehunter on Jun 21, 2012 23:29:00 GMT -5
Hi starrirain - I don't know how to quote, so I can't make a box of your request to share my thoughts. I feel like the more I say, the more people twist it around. I think that michelehunter is suspicious - for smudging dizzy and now for piling on me with her current vote. It's easy to vote for me now and take out a town, and by coming in late, she can vote for town without raising any eyebrows. My comment about not contributing much has more to do with not really understanding how the game works, than it does with getting something for nothing. The more I read the posts, the more I feel like revealing a secret immunity to iocaine powder. Which would not be productive - sometimes, someone who say she's town just is town. vote michelehunter[/quote Piling on you? ? Are you serious? Hal voted for you, he's given us many scum, you've contributed nothing to this game until you are now in danger. I'm happy with my vote
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 22, 2012 1:53:05 GMT -5
My take was it was going to end 25 1/2 hours from now This. I guess TECHNICALLY I should have said Saturday at midnight. Anyway, DAY IS ENDING in about 24 hours.
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Post by phoenixphyre on Jun 22, 2012 2:37:11 GMT -5
well wombat99, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I said nothing about my suspicions because I was very unsure, had made several "follow the pack" votes at the beginning of the game. I was not confident enough in my own "feelings" to go public. I know for experienced players throwing out thoughts and ruminations is easy, but not for me. So I kept quiet just as I said. (Look Meeko a paragraph! ) as for not knowing what detectives do or can do, I did not know. I thought, seriously, that they were just more experienced at picking up on stuff, not that they could actually go and ask "is this person town or scum?" and as for doctors I thought they were given a list of people to be killed and picked one to save..look I could have gone on line and checked all this out, read up on how to play and what to say, there are reams of pages on it, but then I am not learning my game, but playing what someone else says to do and that seems kind of useless. I followed the pack the first few nights, Hal on other nights, and when I was not sure, just did not vote. If that is scummy, I feel sorry for scum, fumbling along. I have pages and pages of quips and vote lists and such just trying to figure out how the game works, but that does not mean I know yet. As for me, I find patricia's votes interesting as there was no vote for endhoot, not texcat. It would have been hard not to vote for Annem and not stick out. Inner Stickler voted for Meeko and then disappeared. Archangel voted down several scum. If you are scum I can see voting down one or two, if you have to, but three or more? I have some more but it is 3:30 in the morning and I need some sleep. Let me finish with this. I am dismissing anything Pleo said about investigating. I can see how we act on Pleo's list, and Pleo sits back and laughs as one town after another is picked off the list. Till tomorrow.
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 22, 2012 7:28:38 GMT -5
Hi starrirain - I don't know how to quote, so I can't make a box of your request to share my thoughts. I feel like the more I say, the more people twist it around. I think that michelehunter is suspicious - for smudging dizzy and now for piling on me with her current vote. It's easy to vote for me now and take out a town, and by coming in late, she can vote for town without raising any eyebrows. My comment about not contributing much has more to do with not really understanding how the game works, than it does with getting something for nothing. The more I read the posts, the more I feel like revealing a secret immunity to iocaine powder. Which would not be productive - sometimes, someone who say she's town just is town. vote michelehunter[/quote Piling on you? ? Are you serious? Hal voted for you, he's given us many scum, you've contributed nothing to this game until you are now in danger. I'm happy with my vote michelehunter, do you see how anti-town this looks? You state that dizzy is next on your list, do not provide any reasoning for that, then abandon that and jump on the jlrimke bandwagon and get argumentative when your actions are questioned. The only reason I am not voting for you is because michelehunter v.1 was just as anti-town, I was convinced you were scum, and you weren't. I guess this is just your play style, but for the life of me I can't see why you think it helps Town to play this way.
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 22, 2012 9:26:21 GMT -5
- snipped - as for not knowing what detectives do or can do, I did not know. I thought, seriously, that they were just more experienced at picking up on stuff, not that they could actually go and ask "is this person town or scum?" and as for doctors I thought they were given a list of people to be killed and picked one to save..look I could have gone on line and checked all this out, read up on how to play and what to say, there are reams of pages on it, but then I am not learning my game, but playing what someone else says to do and that seems kind of useless. -snipped - I have pages and pages of quips and vote lists and such just trying to figure out how the game works, but that does not mean I know yet. - snipped - You say you have pages and pages of quips and vote lists, so you are putting a lot of effort and time into the game; I would think that working out the basics of what Detectives and Doctors do would have been important to you also. I'm sorry, this just doesn't ring true with me.
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 22, 2012 9:41:53 GMT -5
More impressions. I'm rushing a bit because I want to get to the end of the player list today:
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Inner Stickler: Inactive, has my vote due to Pleo's "investigation" as explained before.
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Aleetha: lurker/inactive; said she was away til the 20th so I guess it's possible she will be back. I doubt it though.
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susanmurphy: Was participating until Day 4 but now seems to have abandoned the game. Her joke about her nickname being Skum pinged me a bit but otherwsise neutral.
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richbeckman: a slight scum lean, but it's a gut feeling only. He is smart, and picks up on things, and is playing the game well. Looking at his posts overall - they started out cautious and agreeable with not a lot of content, as if he was afraid of a scum slip. Once he got his feet, he started posting a lot of good content. He has also been quieter since Pleo was lynched. But, as I said, just a gut feeling, nothing more.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 22, 2012 10:08:37 GMT -5
- snipped - as for not knowing what detectives do or can do, I did not know. I thought, seriously, that they were just more experienced at picking up on stuff, not that they could actually go and ask "is this person town or scum?" and as for doctors I thought they were given a list of people to be killed and picked one to save..look I could have gone on line and checked all this out, read up on how to play and what to say, there are reams of pages on it, but then I am not learning my game, but playing what someone else says to do and that seems kind of useless. -snipped - I have pages and pages of quips and vote lists and such just trying to figure out how the game works, but that does not mean I know yet. - snipped - You say you have pages and pages of quips and vote lists, so you are putting a lot of effort and time into the game; I would think that working out the basics of what Detectives and Doctors do would have been important to you also. I'm sorry, this just doesn't ring true with me. Funny. I have been rereading posts today and I agree with you Wombat that this post does not add up.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 22, 2012 10:44:37 GMT -5
I have been trying to figure my next vote. Michelle Hunter II seems Town to me. And though she has not put up a torrent of posts, there are enough to make a judgement with. jlrinmke comes across fairly neutral to me, but her post volume is so small that she could easily be scum lying low. Patricia has done an excellent job of flying below my radar. She does seem determined to lynch Meeko, but even with the enormous volume of material Meeko has given us to work with, the only reasons she has are that he was helpful and then defensive when voted for: www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=16#93603Later she considers it a positive that Pleonast is helpful. www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1935&page=6#94600For a newbie who claims that she is "Finding this game hard to learn on the fly"*, she picked up on a lot very quickly, for example here where she analyses the possibilities of the Crazy Townie: www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1927&page=16#93603She has not voted for Meeko twice, once when voting Wombat99 (for saving Lianne by voting Michlle) and Annem, who was given to us by a detective. Two pretty safe votes. She has done a great job of hiding in the dust up between Meeko and Pleonast. This almost makes me wonder again about Meeko. But in the meantime: Vote: Patricia *http://www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mara&thread=1932&page=10#94320
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 22, 2012 11:15:52 GMT -5
I'm going to go down the list of players and give my impressions, in numerical order, (and get as far as I can before I have to do some real work ): ------------------------------------------------------------ 3. Gnarlycharlie: I think it's an interesting coincidence that he has become an active participant at the very time that Pleonast was killed. Maybe scum needed a new leader, or maybe just a coincidence and nothing more. good idea. alternatively, you can investigate inactives and share results while we lynch active players. if scum NKs a confirmed town, it will be an inactive one. it's like what Pleo was "doing" but at least we can trust you. This bothers me. Other experienced players are at least acknowledging that is *possible* that Hal is scum and is doing the same thing Pleo did. Gnarlycharlie should know this too. Instead he is trying to build up trust for Hal. ----------------------------------------------------------- i'm a type of player who uses my gut a lot and meta* from time to time. i feel Hal is trustworthy. scum may have made a gamble with a false claim but i doubt they would do it twice. *using out-of-game reasoning speaking of meta, i've been trying to avoid that but i was looking in other parts of the board and i saw the players who have been logging on. everyone i saw has posted except JustBeingGinger. i can't see a reason why someone would do that except perhaps to lie low. so i'll Vote: JustBeingGinger
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 22, 2012 11:40:46 GMT -5
<snip> My comment about not contributing much has more to do with not really understanding how the game works, than it does with getting something for nothing. The more I read the posts, the more I feel like revealing a secret immunity to iocaine powder. Which would not be productive - sometimes, someone who say she's town just is town. vote michelehunter bleachedBold added. What is this supposed to mean: "A secret immunity to iocaine power"? I assume you meant cocaine powder, but even so it is over my head.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jun 22, 2012 11:50:59 GMT -5
I believe that's a Princess Bride reference. see here...
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Post by Rich Beckman on Jun 22, 2012 12:02:55 GMT -5
I believe that's a Princess Bride reference. see here... Thanks. I had not seen that slightly longer clip. I'm still confused. Within the context of this game, what would a secret immunity to iocane powder be?
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Post by phoenixphyre on Jun 22, 2012 12:13:20 GMT -5
wombat you think what you want, what I am is what I am, and that is that. charts on how people vote and what they say does not show me how the role actually works, Idle gave no such information, so I, and I would think other newbies, were left to guess and ask, which is pretty much what I did. But thank you richbeckman for showing me something I had not put together. For a supposed newbie patricia knew a LOT of things I didn't, so the "newbie" part just isn't ringing true. For example I had no idea what a Crazy town was, did not, by game 2, understand how the game plays out, so I had none of her insights. I would not have used the term "ping" for the game, being unfamiliar with it. based on those quotes alone I doubt patricia is in any way a "newbie". Thus vote patricia
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 22, 2012 12:37:40 GMT -5
For the rest of the player list just hitting the highlights because I'm running out of time: guiri - he said himself he had to carry over his suspicion of Texcat from guiri v.1. So his focus on Texcat could have been excellent scum-hunting, or it could have been a scum-bus. (A scum-bus that starrirain participated in?) ----------------------------------------- starrirain - other than the ping about possibly partnering with guiri and bussing texcat - townish. --------------------------------------- suits101, formerly francescaj - lurking mostly, which is strange since she chose to sub back in. If she didn't have time to play why did she do that? Also she chose to change her name, which she had an explanation for, but if I went from Detective to scum I might do that too just to keep things straight in my mind. Minor quibble, I know. --------------------------------------- Ladyrogue - one post of hers confuses me:
ok I finally decided it was time to figure this game out, right! So I started making charts and tables and looking at what people write and do...and I wrote this whole thing at night about Pleo, and if Pleo was a detective why we were not being given names like we were from Hal...folks kept saying "looking into lurkers" and I am thinking ...ok something else about the game I just don't know/understand yet. So I kept quiet. I also looked at Pleo's votes, and compared them to other's votes, and mine, and something just did not add up. But again I am new (sorry not an excuse, but I am still feeling my way and that is just the truth) so I chalked it up to just not knowing enough...but now I find my "radar" if you will was not that far off base, and maybe (I said maybe) I am getting the hang-feel of this. At least I hope so. I am sure you all do too. Anyway for all that, and for Hal (thank you thank you) Vote: Pleonast , Vote: End of day
Good catch, I hadn't noticed this until you pointed that out.
What was a good catch and what hadn't you noticed? This sounds like you're saying that you hadn't noticed that Hal outed Pleo until phoenixphyre pointed it out? Or are you noticing something else?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 22, 2012 14:20:31 GMT -5
I'm going to go down the list of players and give my impressions, in numerical order, (and get as far as I can before I have to do some real work ): ------------------------------------------------------------ 3. Gnarlycharlie: I think it's an interesting coincidence that he has become an active participant at the very time that Pleonast was killed. Maybe scum needed a new leader, or maybe just a coincidence and nothing more. This bothers me. Other experienced players are at least acknowledging that is *possible* that Hal is scum and is doing the same thing Pleo did. Gnarlycharlie should know this too. Instead he is trying to build up trust for Hal. ----------------------------------------------------------- i'm a type of player who uses my gut a lot and meta* from time to time. i feel Hal is trustworthy. scum may have made a gamble with a false claim but i doubt they would do it twice. *using out-of-game reasoning speaking of meta, i've been trying to avoid that but i was looking in other parts of the board and i saw the players who have been logging on. everyone i saw has posted except JustBeingGinger. i can't see a reason why someone would do that except perhaps to lie low. so i'll Vote: JustBeingGinger [/color][/quote] I am not lying low. I have not had the time to catch up from my vacation. It is hard to catch up on a game like this. To me this seems like a safe place to put your vote seeing that you were inactive for the first 2 Days of the game. You posted once in Day one and 2 times in Day 2 and 1 time in Day 3 and 1 time in Day 4 and 1 time in Day 5, 2 times in Day 7. Do you consider your play to be active?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 22, 2012 14:28:35 GMT -5
GnarlyCharlie and why all the sudden did you become active in Day eight? I find it odd that you more than quadrupled your posts over night, right after Pleo got lynched and found that he was scum. Was it time for a experienced scum to take the reins over? Yes, that would be a smudge...
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 22, 2012 14:46:20 GMT -5
I am town - I guess that is ok to post since the scum already know that. I am also new and have been looking at meeko/pleo since the beginning of the game mainly because they have both been posting early and a lot and they both seem to be long time players who know what is what. I have thinking that Meeko was scum since day one - However, now I'm not so sure. I'm going to try to lay out some reasons/cases for other to add input too! First Case - Meeko and Pleo are both scum - And as long time players set out from the start to help each other avoid a lynch by confusing all the new players 2nd Case - Meeko is right Pleo is the scum and he has been on to him since day one because of his experience playing the game 3rd Case - Pleo is a detective and is looking at the luckers because he wants to know about the players who aren't posting/playing as much I'm leaning towards 2nd case atm and plan to vote for Pleo when day 7 starts (Inless a night kill changes my mind) On a side note - I hope their is a doc left to protect Hal as he is doing a great job scum hunting. I did also like dizzy post about looking at who maybe leading/teaching the new scum players. I wish I knew more about how that works - do they all vote at random during the night and the ones with the most votes are NK's? or do they discuss and decide as a group? then let idle know? and why can't we know how many? they know how many we have. Seem fair to let both side know how many on each team. I went and had a look at a few of patricia's posts after I read pheonixphyre 's post, this one is pinging the hell out of me. She is asking a lot of questions about what scum do at Night. How would Town know? Scum can do different things in different games, it looks a if she is asking questions in way that screams innocence from someone that actually knows too much. She also managed to backtrack on her thinking Pleo was Town. I think it looks as if she has been coached very well by scum. gnarly, sorry I described your play style in one sentence lol. I haven't really taken much notice of patricia up until now because of her take on Meeko, she seemed determined to get rid of him and wasn't really looking at anyone else. Meeko is Meeko and he could be scum but I don't think so. I tend to go on a gut feel most of the time and I don't often have a lot to say, I am learning, I've only been playing for a year Unvote
Vote patricia
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 22, 2012 14:51:01 GMT -5
GnarlyCharlie and why all the sudden did you become active in Day eight? I find it odd that you more than quadrupled your posts over night, right after Pleo got lynched and found that he was scum. Was it time for a experienced scum to take the reins over? Yes, that would be a smudge... I could get behind that except that I know he's putting a lot more effort into his games now, he must have have got tired of being voted off early all the time lol. Doesn't mean that he is Town though.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 22, 2012 16:29:32 GMT -5
ROFLOL, I didn't see your question and you can be confident as you were before and AGAIN you'll be proved wrong, I am town vanilla as they come, but time will prove that to you. Sorry you don't like the way I SEE things but I don't like the way you see things, guess that makes us even no? Do you have anything else to say that's more than just pure BS? I don't understand your smudge on me, and I would like an explanation of where you came up with it?
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Post by patricia on Jun 22, 2012 16:31:10 GMT -5
Thanks for all the nice comments about how well I'm playing - made my day.
Just for the record this is my first game - I play packrat and join this as part of a contest on that game. Also, I'm a plain town player
I do try to do my best with any game and do love to win - so I do hope I don't get lynched as that would be a lose/lose for town as I'm town and trying to play and not lurk.
Anyway, I'm off to baseball games so no time to see if I'm top in votes atm - Just popped in to vote
Jlrimke
Mostly for her posts today (Day 8 ) and due to the fact she said so ahead and vote for me I don't care - which leads me to believe she is scum - not think town would not care even if they don't play much.
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Post by patricia on Jun 22, 2012 16:42:52 GMT -5
Vote Jlrimke
This posting board is driving me crazy and I still can't get quote boxes to work. sigh
Just wanted to vote in a hurry - lol
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Post by patricia on Jun 22, 2012 16:44:35 GMT -5
PS - A quick note ( you will notice I joined this in April 2012 - a real live newbie - look under my name for details
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Post by Meeko on Jun 22, 2012 17:43:00 GMT -5
Thanks? ;D
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 22, 2012 20:16:56 GMT -5
Right now I think Patricia and Jlrinmke are tied at 5 votes each. *sigh*
I really don't get the Scum vibe from Jlr that you all are seeing. Only 19 out of 33 people left have voted. Any of you have any thoughts?
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 22, 2012 20:40:31 GMT -5
Only 19 out of 33 people left have voted. Any of you have any thoughts? Yeah...I think the number of inactives we have this game really bites. I'd be more than half-tempted to start asking for a mass-modkill, if I knew for sure that there were some scum in that mix.
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Post by crys on Jun 22, 2012 20:52:27 GMT -5
I would agree with that hal. If only a handful are playing it puts us town at a disadvantage. I would imagine that games aren't usually like this with so many inactives
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 22, 2012 20:55:34 GMT -5
GnarlyCharlie and why all the sudden did you become active in Day eight? I find it odd that you more than quadrupled your posts over night, right after Pleo got lynched and found that he was scum. Was it time for a experienced scum to take the reins over? Yes, that would be a smudge... what about a player who has been missing suddenly showing up after being called out and voted? isn't that even more suspicious. gnarly, sorry I described your play style in one sentence lol. ha ha ha! no worries.
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 22, 2012 21:22:28 GMT -5
well, with Day ending in a few hours and it being a Friday night, I'm going to go ahead and vote. I see Jlrinmke and Patricia being the front-runners at the moment. I follow the case on Patricia and am back-and-forth on Jlrinmke. But, I'm still working on my earlier thought process regarding how the Scum may have a leader still brewing, and both of those people are newbies. [tho Jlrinmke does seem to have a grasp on things, what with using "cuddling" and "smudging" in her recent posts, which does make me a little suspicious.]
I vote InnerStickler, as I'm not getting a strong Scum vibe from the experienced, active players, and I'm not sold on Jlrinmke or Patricia, and my original post from toDay was leaning toward InnerStickler. But, I don't see that actually doing any good with things (though I see 6 for Jlrinmke and 5 for Patricia, and I would make 4 on InnerStickler), so it's a tough call. I lean slightly toward Patricia over Jlrinmke, but I think that ties things, so I'm going to stick with InnerStickler anyway.
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