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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 29, 2012 16:15:56 GMT -5
Jan, I went back and read my first post again, and I think maybe I understand what you were asking... I wasn't trying to "distance myself from Meeko", I was trying to "put some distance between gnarlycharlie and Particia". I still think Meeko is Scum, but nobody seems to agree with me. I also think gnarly is Scum, but I don't think Patricia is. My single vote on Meeko isn't accomplishing anything, so I moved it to gnarly to increase the separation between him and Patricia, as I'd rather see him lynched than her. Does that help? Thanks, that helps a lot, I wish we felt that the same people were scum though. Actually the more I think about gnarly, the more I wonder. If Meeko is scum. why the hell did he waste so many Days fighting with Pleo. Meeko wasn't concentrating on anyone else either though???
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Post by annetastic on Jun 29, 2012 16:34:42 GMT -5
Wow I nearly had a bandwagon on me and I wasn't even here to defend myself Sorry.... I missed a day due to interviews and going on a rare night out with my hubby last night, thank you for standing up for me Hal. I started posting more as there are not that many people left actively posting and I always feel I am out of my depth as I can't seem to read between the lines like the rest of you can but when something pings me I have been stating it and probably put it wrong thats why I was suspect, any way I will probably be first on the list for a NK unless they pick on one of the more experienced players who are helping us to slow the rest of us down, my vote is still on Patricia though for reasons I stated last time. vote:Patricia
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Post by crys on Jun 29, 2012 17:02:00 GMT -5
Well better late than never I guess. I started looking over the information from Day 4 and the Mislynch on ladyrogue. Here is what I came up with:
Players on the lady rogue bandwagon confirmed alignment
Silver Jan town/mason
Kagemoto town/doctor
Crys 1.0 town
Pleonast scum
Annem scum
Cathi ?
Dizzymrslizzy ?
Super mel ?
Aleetha ?
Richardbeckman ?
Looking how that breaks down would lead me to believe there are some scum still hiding in this lynch list. After reviewing the jlrinmke mislynch there is only one name that is on both those lists. Cathi. Combine that with a no vote on day 3 it can start too look pretty condemning.
Not a whole lot of activity from her lately either, just when her name seems to come up in conversation. I fully expect to see her soon if her pattern is to continue.
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Post by crys on Jun 29, 2012 17:10:39 GMT -5
NETA: and one of the reasons cathi brought up about ladyrogue is that she only appeared when it was time to either vote or defend herself. Cathi as of lately has been guilty of the same behavior. Quite often the accuser turns out to be the guilty party so
Vote: cathi [/color]
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Post by LadyRogue-II on Jun 29, 2012 17:14:11 GMT -5
Patricia's actions towards Meeko are still pinging me and unless I missed posts by Patricia she hasn't been on since Pleo got lynched. With that said I Vote Patricia
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Post by patricia on Jun 29, 2012 17:21:37 GMT -5
Plankton I still agree with you and feel that Meeko is scum - but I got weary of being one of few to vote for him so I started looking elsewhere to vote.
That being said: I can't seem to get people to believe me when I say I'm town - so I don't think I will have many more chances to vote as my V1.0 player (but I hope there are still slots for me to become v2.0)
Anyone as day ends tomorrow and I have MIL as a houseguest in RL for day I will
Vote:
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Post by patricia on Jun 29, 2012 17:23:59 GMT -5
Okay lets try again
Vote: Gnarly Charlie
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 29, 2012 17:39:03 GMT -5
GnarlyCharlie - 6 votes (CatInASuit, JustBeingGinger, Archangel, supermel, Suburban Plankton, Patricia) Patricia - 5 votes (PhoenixPhyre, Silver Jan, dizzymrslizzy, annetastic, LadyRogue) Suburban Plankton - 1 vote (Meeko) Richardbeckman - 1 vote (guiri) JustBeingGiner - 1 vote (gnarlycharlie) AmyKB - 1 vote (michelehunter) Cathi - 1 vote (crys)
About 16 hours to the end of Day
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 29, 2012 17:40:22 GMT -5
Aleetha was subbed out. It's now wombat.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 29, 2012 17:41:18 GMT -5
Can we please get a updated voted count, please?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 29, 2012 17:41:48 GMT -5
Well never mind on that one...
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Post by guiri on Jun 29, 2012 18:00:11 GMT -5
At the end of Day 4, richbeckman could have placed a vote on Texcat with LadyRogue still in the lead and with only a couple of hours left in the Day. The lynch would likely have been the same, especially as crys voted the same way afterwards, and he would gain plenty of town cred when Texcat was subsequently lynched. You see this as a redeeming action while I see it as damning. At best it could be a null tell but remember the situation: Lightfoot was killed N1, Lianne almost lynched D2 then killed N2, LaurieRN and endhoot died D3, I'm willing to bet that with 4 down a newbie scum wasn't going to bus a fellow scum and put them within 1 vote of the lynch, even with 3 hours left in the Day, so instead sealed the deal on the lynch to keep a partner alive another Night. We know that Starrirain had stated he believed TexCat was scum and was expected to be back in time, who knows who else could have popped in to vote in the remaining 3 hours or which of the LadyRogue or Meeko voters could have been swayed. I see gnarlycharlie is leading with 6 votes to Patricia's 5. Gnarly's being voted for being alive still, for becoming more active since Pleo was lynched, for not being suspicious of Archangel, and for his signal to noise ratio. Is that it? I'm not convinced. Next is Patricia who knows too much for being a noob, for being fixated on Meeko, for being inactive (even if she wasn't), for hiding in the dust, for using the word "ping". Is that it, more or less? I note richard has yet to vote toDay but has been happy to watch CIAS defend him. I really need to review my case against Richbeckman, I expected it to get more traction. I'd much prefer a lynch of Cathi over the two vote leaders, mainly based on starrirain's post yesterDay plus her avoidance of TexCat D4 and her disappearance. UnvoteVote CathiMaybe others who are undecided will join.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jun 29, 2012 18:32:52 GMT -5
GnarlyCharlie - 6 votes (CatInASuit, JustBeingGinger, Archangel, supermel, Suburban Plankton, Patricia) Patricia - 5 votes (PhoenixPhyre, Silver Jan, dizzymrslizzy, annetastic, LadyRogue) Cathi - 2 votes (crys, guiri) Suburban Plankton - 1 vote (Meeko) JustBeingGiner - 1 vote (gnarlycharlie) AmyKB - 1 vote (michelehunter)
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Post by AmyKay on Jun 29, 2012 19:09:42 GMT -5
if I were Gnarly and that close to being lynched, I'd move my vote to Patricia, the only serious competitor this late in the Day. Instead, we haven't heard a peep from him in two days, and going back through some of his recent posts doesn't unearth much. Patricia, on the other hand, has defended herself, though she's not convincing everyone. She does have a mix of "someone explain x" while playing with understanding, but she's not the only first-time player who gets some things but not others.
So, turning to their voting records, Patricia voted Meeko, Meeko, Wombat1, Meeko, Meeko, Annem, no vote, and jlrinmke. We are already aware of her take on Meeko. We were delivered Scum to vote for on Days 3, 6, and 7. The only day she voted for one of those was Day 6 with Annem.
On the other hand, Gnarly gave a no vote, lianne, endhoot, no vote, texcat, annem, Pleo, JBG. so... all Scum, except maybe JBG, where his vote currently is again today. Could a Scum tactic be to only vote fellow Scum, which would make us think you're Town? or is Gnarly THAT GOOD? [serious question to the veterans] Because it's kinda hard to be right on flips 5/5, IMO, even if 3 of those were follow-the-detective votes. Of course, if JBG is Town, this doesn't hold... BUT, her record shows she's only voted 3 times - on endhoot, annem, and Pleo, also all Scum (and her endhoot and annem votes were before their investigations). Today's vote from her is on Gnarly - so maybe they're ScumBuddies with a plan?
All that said, I'm still not getting Scum from Gnarly's posts, but I'm willing to
vote GnarlyCharlie
based on his voting record. again, if someone experienced comes back to say that Gnarly rocks at this game, I'd be willing to re-think this vote strategy, but time is short and I'm going him over Patricia.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 29, 2012 19:22:11 GMT -5
if I were Gnarly and that close to being lynched, I'd move my vote to Patricia, the only serious competitor this late in the Day. Instead, we haven't heard a peep from him in two days, and going back through some of his recent posts doesn't unearth much. Patricia, on the other hand, has defended herself, though she's not convincing everyone. She does have a mix of "someone explain x" while playing with understanding, but she's not the only first-time player who gets some things but not others. So, turning to their voting records, Patricia voted Meeko, Meeko, Wombat1, Meeko, Meeko, Annem, no vote, and jlrinmke. We are already aware of her take on Meeko. We were delivered Scum to vote for on Days 3, 6, and 7. The only day she voted for one of those was Day 6 with Annem. On the other hand, Gnarly gave a no vote, lianne, endhoot, no vote, texcat, annem, Pleo, JBG. so... all Scum, except maybe JBG, where his vote currently is again today. Could a Scum tactic be to only vote fellow Scum, which would make us think you're Town? or is Gnarly THAT GOOD? [serious question to the veterans] Because it's kinda hard to be right on flips 5/5, IMO, even if 3 of those were follow-the-detective votes. Of course, if JBG is Town, this doesn't hold... BUT, her record shows she's only voted 3 times - on endhoot, annem, and Pleo, also all Scum (and her endhoot and annem votes were before their investigations). Today's vote from her is on Gnarly - so maybe they're ScumBuddies with a plan? All that said, I'm still not getting Scum from Gnarly's posts, but I'm willing to vote GnarlyCharliebased on his voting record. again, if someone experienced comes back to say that Gnarly rocks at this game, I'd be willing to re-think this vote strategy, but time is short and I'm going him over Patricia. Gnarly is a very good player and I have played with him in most of my games of Mafia. NOW having said that I don't think that I have ever played with him when he was Scum. He has always been town when I played with him. I do wonder if a scum Gnarly would just lie down and take it without a fight (lack of posts in 2 days). Scum have been known to vote on another scum to gain town credit, especially if the COP is telling everyone that they are SCUM...
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 29, 2012 19:51:46 GMT -5
if I were Gnarly and that close to being lynched, I'd move my vote to Patricia, the only serious competitor this late in the Day. Instead, we haven't heard a peep from him in two days, and going back through some of his recent posts doesn't unearth much.
Gnarly is in danger of being lynched, yet he is not changing his vote to potentially save himself. Is he trying to leave a breadcrumb here by focusing on Justbeingginger?
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 29, 2012 20:06:59 GMT -5
Crap -- it's been a hell of a week, and I don't know if I'm going to get a chance to catch up (time to get The Littlest Briston to bed, and then some...quality time with my better half).
It looks like GnarlyCharlie is on the block with Patricia a close second. A very quick glance shows GnarlyCharlie can make a self-preserving vote -- his not doing so yet is a little confounding, but there's time.
I hope I'll get to post some serious input before the Day is up, but I'm not going to drop a vote right now -- not when it would pretty much be a blind vote.
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 29, 2012 22:04:39 GMT -5
Before this wagon gains any more momentum, let's hit the brakes: annetastic is town.Unfortunately, my saying that means she should probably start writing her will, but better she's nightkilled than mislynched. unfortunately this will put pressure on me. let's see where this goes. you may get what you wish for, Hal. What does gnarlycharlie mean here when he says "you may get what you wish for, Hal"
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jun 29, 2012 22:31:09 GMT -5
sigh... i was hoping people would see reason without me having to defend myself but it is what it is. Hal, as i said earlier, you get your wish. i am the other detective. i have been lying low because i believe there is only one doc left and can't protect both of us. since you have a lot of cred, i don't believe i would survive the Night. so here are my results: N1 - wombat v1 N2 - michelehunter v1 N3 - Hal Briston is Town (i know about your past shenanigans ;D) N4 - Archangel is Town (that's why i didn't suspect you N5 - kagemoto (unfortunately he was dead at Dawn) N6 - Pleo (i was elated but you had to steal my thunder, Hal ) N7 - guiri v2 is Town N8 - CatinaSuit is Town i kept hinting that Hal should investigate inactives not only because it would force scum to NK if they were found to be town and because i was investigating active experienced players. i breadcrumbed Hal and Archangel. not sure if i did the others. so i would look at those voting for me except for those i have cleared. if Hal's unknown confirmed Town is voting for me, that lessens the choices. JustBeingGinger, Suburban Plankton, supermel and Patricia are the unconfirmed ones. seriously, the reasons for voting me are crap.
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Post by wombat99 on Jun 29, 2012 22:53:26 GMT -5
I'm going to
Vote Patricia
for the moment, just in case people don't see this in time and unvote gnarly.
I don't think Patricia is scum, actually, but better her than Gnarly.
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Post by Meeko on Jun 29, 2012 23:18:55 GMT -5
GnarlyCharlie - 6 votes (CatInASuit, JustBeingGinger, Archangel, supermel, Suburban Plankton, Patricia) Patricia - 5 votes (PhoenixPhyre, Silver Jan, dizzymrslizzy, annetastic, LadyRogue) Cathi - 2 votes (crys, guiri) Suburban Plankton - 1 vote (Meeko) JustBeingGiner - 1 vote (gnarlycharlie) AmyKB - 1 vote (michelehunter) Unvote Suburban
This is going to be fun. So we have Patricia AND Suburban both voting Gnarly. And Suburban _IS_ voting Gnarly to NOT vote Pat. One to two steps away from Scum protecting other scum. I mean, the rationale, if you can call it one, boils down to "Gnarly is not Pat". It Pings.Far be it from me to go so far as to point to the fence before taking my swing, but I think Pat and Suburban are crew on the S.S. Scum, and they are sinking fast. A vote for Gnarly, nothing more than rearranging deck chairs. If a vote for Suburban is just as good as a Vote for Pat.... then this shouldn't be too surprising. Vote PatIn all seriousness, has there been precendent for one person voting for someone, simply because someone else Hasn't voted for them ?
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Post by Silver Jan on Jun 30, 2012 2:56:20 GMT -5
Gnarly, you have made me a very happy Silver Jan, it looks as if my defense of you in one sentence was correct lol. I was beginning to wonder if there could be a case on you but I couldn't see it. It would be even better if Hal could cross confirm you. You have also just cleared 3 players that I thought could be scum, back to the drawing board for me.
I do realise that you could be false claiming but that breadcrumb to Hal about getting his wish stood out at the time and then I promptly forgot about it. I have played with gnarly as scum before and he was a lot more aggressive about the votes on him. I think he should change his vote before it's too late, I would hate a detective to be lynched because people don't play at the weekend, if gnarly has conned me then I retract every nice thing I have ever said to him (joking).
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Post by guiri on Jun 30, 2012 4:33:56 GMT -5
I think it's tie with a claimed cop still up for lynch, I'd like to hear gnarly's strategy for his investigations so far.
Unvote Vote Pat
This is purely to save Gnarly from the lynch in case none of his voters get back in time, I do not suspect Patricia but she's the only viable contender at the moment. Now that she's in the lead and Gnarly's "safe", I invite gnarly's voters or those who are undecided to look at Cathi or any other candidate and not simply jump on Patricia because she's in second place. I'll be around closer to EoD and will move my vote if possible.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jun 30, 2012 6:06:13 GMT -5
Guiri Can you go over what the case on Cathi is again. I'm sorry but I just don't have the time to go back and read right now.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 30, 2012 7:15:14 GMT -5
unvote gnarly
vote patricia
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Post by starrirain on Jun 30, 2012 7:19:59 GMT -5
I don't believe either lynch leader to be scum. I prefer to see amykb , cathi , or richbeckman lynched. I notice neither cathi nor richbeckman have voted toDay. Thus, my apologies to patricia , I think you are Town, but I also think more than one scum has yet to vote toDay. To try and protect our newly claimed Cop gnarlycharlie
Vote patricia [/color]
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Jun 30, 2012 7:22:42 GMT -5
Sorry Gnarly! I knew your play was off, you are never that quiet, but I have never played with you when you are scum. For what it is worth, I am town. I know it is just words being typed here, but I am and if I must die to be confirmed fine. I am vanilla so in part that is my job.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 30, 2012 7:53:37 GMT -5
Hal, as i said earlier, you get your wish. OOHHHhhhhh...I get it...I'm an idiot! Well, you and I are all but certainly going to be targeted toNight, and unfortunately, it's very difficult to try and coordinate doctor actions (if we even have more than one). Hmmm...here's a suggestion: Assuming there are two docs left, if you're in the top half of the user list, protect me. If you're in the bottom half, protect gnarlycharlie. Yes, there are a lot of ways that could go wrong, but it assures us that at least one of the detectives is still here in the morning, and give a shot at both of us being here.
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Post by guiri on Jun 30, 2012 8:02:38 GMT -5
Guiri Can you go over what the case on Cathi is again. I'm sorry but I just don't have the time to go back and read right now. You're voting Patricia, that's cool. I'm not trying to convince you to vote someone else, I'm just asking that anyone who's about to unvote gnarly should look at all the other cases rather than simply voting Patricia as the number 1 alternative. I see JBG has just moved her vote off gnarly onto Patricia with no further comment, why? Now Patricia has 8 votes to gnarly's 6 so I'm free to put my vote back where lt was. Unvote Vote cathiBriefly: - Only 29 posts all game, staying right under the radar, a post or two per Day, always flowing others, inconsistent suspicions, a bit of gloating, the u-turn on Texcat, Pleo's soft-clear of her, the disappearing act since gaining some suspicion - D1 was 10 noob questions or responses, a gut feeling vote on dizzy, and a neta - N1, a question about Night actions - D2/N2 nothing - D3 votes endhoot, no mention of absence, a slight smudge on rich and wombat - D4 likes dizzy (who she voted D1, explains when probed) and Silver's case against LadyRogue, adds 3rd vote, mentions Meeko but omits mention of Texcat, the current vote leader - D5 apologises for LadyRogue lynch, is afraid to vote in case it's another townie. Votes Texcat (10th and final vote) for the "you" comment, a Day after it was made and after ignoring it on D4, feels like a scum bus to me - D6 votes Annem, bit of scum gloating - D7 votes Pleo - D8 vote jlrimke to see what Pleo was up to, is quick to defend herself against vote from Starrirain which crys picks up on, it was the same reasoning cathi had use against LadyRogue
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Post by Colby11 on Jun 30, 2012 8:12:22 GMT -5
Haven't gotten to do my look through... And good thing I didn't, since we now have a new cop, gnarly.
The only problem I see is that I am not sure who will survive the night because of the fact that we do not know how many doctors we have left. For sure we have one, and that doctor should protect one or the other. My money is on Hal, personally, but that's just me. I think gnarly's death will confirm everyone on his list, and shrink the pool of unconfirmed players. All I have to say is good job, gnarly!
The problem that I have is that I don't see the case on Patricia, except for the whole Meeko obsession, but she does validate it by saying that she thinks he is scum. Personally I think Meeko is practically cleared Town, after the Pleonast situation.
I think Guiri and Crys are onto something with Cathi, so I will Vote Cathi
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