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Post by supermel on Jul 3, 2012 15:02:47 GMT -5
I think that when scum is found during an investigation it's great to end Day early, players get lazy and we all know who will be lynched anyway. I know there is a point of view that we can find more scum during that time but that almost never happens. Now with Suits101 I am very confused, hasn't got a cooking clue who to vote for but votes for EOD, WTF, it's a good thing we need more than one vote to end the Day, unless........ s/he is the last scum??? I don't really believe that though, it would be too easy. Vote Suits101I definitely think an explanation is due there, it also makes me more comfortable that dizzy is still Town. I can't wrap my around voting for EOD without voting for scum. If Suits101 doesn't want to play then just quit. This makes sense to me. Vote suits101
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Post by Hal Briston on Jul 3, 2012 15:05:14 GMT -5
Interesting, I was going to ask you "why not?" stupid question but he would have been on my list if I was investigating scum. He was on my short list, but not where I went looking. And as it stands, I'd be fine with switching over to him if Suits can make a reasonable case for the "end day early" statement.
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Post by supermel on Jul 3, 2012 15:16:47 GMT -5
i am hopeful that i will get some time this evening or next to catch up with my thoughts and post more about what i agree or don't agree. Having a hard time thinking outside the main line of thought... to start, i am still unsure on meeko- nothing he specifically has said says scum to me- but i have been wrong almost every time- so i am thinking on that one. I find suburban to be very defensive a few days ago and went as far as to voteon that reasoning- but am still unsure of voting him based on the current ideas as he doesn't keep hitting my radar any longer... I have been reading as much as i can- i did not know in april that this would be still going on in july- and its a tough month for me. Will try to post more to be more active...
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Post by Colby11 on Jul 3, 2012 15:55:54 GMT -5
Vote Suits101
The case? Lurking for the most part since she subbed back in, plus a post that looks like it was made in haste and without the morning coffee....
And then voting for the Day to end? My eye is twitching, even more with finger pointing people and not putting down a vote.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 3, 2012 16:02:31 GMT -5
Sure, voting to end day early is allowed even if you don't vote.
Suits101 - 5 votes (dizzymrslizzy, Hal Briston, Silver Jan, supermel, Colby11) Suburban Plankton - 3 votes (Meeko, Archangel, wombat99) Cathi - 1 vote (crys)
1 of 12 votes to end day early
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 3, 2012 16:40:12 GMT -5
Vote SuburbanAny more questions? Well... yes. I'm sorry, I'm not following your train of thought on why you think Suburban is scummy. Because of the vote on gnarlycharlie? I'm glad someone asked the question besides me. But then three posts later: vote Suburban PlanktonLet's put some lynch pressure on Suburban. There's a good case for him being scum, but it's also possible that he was Hal's investigation target last Night (being one of the gnarly voters and all) and if that's the case, Hal can step in and reveal that and prevent a mislynch. What...did Meeko PM you his reply? What is the "good case" for me being Scum? And what happened in the 68 minutes between the two quoted posts that made it suddenly clear to you?
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Post by patricia on Jul 3, 2012 16:46:44 GMT -5
Here are some name to toss around as requested
I feel one or all may be scum,
Meeko, Plankton, and Suits
for now I will vote
Vote Plankton
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Post by guiri on Jul 3, 2012 16:47:18 GMT -5
Farewell Gnarly, well played. Welcome back Patricia and Dizzy, hope you enjoy being skum . Vote CathiWinner gets a pack of Virtual Jaffa Cakes. Yum! Day 16 for me. Frankly, Why am I still alive? Didn't you claim Vanilla Town back on D5? If you're telling the truth, you're not a/the Doc and you're not confirmed so you're way down scum's hit list, near the bottom, if not at the bottom. I hate red queen's races. Eh? I'll admit I am intrigued by this. Why toDay, why now? I look forward to Suit's explanation, I understand pressure votes but I'm not seeing how it's indicative of her alignment. Vote Suburban Plankton for reasons given yesterday-- he's been hiding in plain sight and I think of the Charlie voters he's the most likely to have been scum. Patricia was Town, you and CIAS have been confirmed Town by gnarly, Ginger got back in time to unvote. What did you make of the votes by supermel and amykb? But - I already had Suits101 on my suspicious list due to subbing in after a 23-page Day1 when she should have had a feel for how much of a commitment this game would take, then lurking/being inactive. Suits, you say you aren't participating because you are moving and packing. Was that move unexpected? Suits started the game as francescaj, a detective, and was killed N1. She subbed back in on D3, replacing Annette and has posted to some extent D3, D4, D7, D9 and toDay. On D4 she voted TexCat and, despite being the 3rd vote, it looks real to me.
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Post by Silver Jan on Jul 3, 2012 17:00:00 GMT -5
To be honest, supermel worries me, she must be the 1st person ever to to think I made sense, especially when I left a word out in my original post
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Post by annetastic on Jul 3, 2012 17:31:02 GMT -5
would love to hear suits explanation as to why vote end of Day and not even vote for someone ....... so unless I hear different
vote: suits101
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Post by AmyKay on Jul 3, 2012 18:24:26 GMT -5
okay, so I've gone through all of Cathi and Suburban's posts for this game and picked a few things out. I'm not placing a vote on either of them at the moment, but here's my thought process. The below quotes are snipped for relevancy and to keep this post from being the longest ever. Everything with Cathi seemed to start here: Is it better to vote WITH someone you think is Town? Since a consolidated vote has more power than a singleton vote? I don’t think it’s wrong to ask questions. But it’s not the first couple of Days anymore. Cathi probably had a voting strategy by then, right? Except it’s Day 8… just after Pleo was lynched. If she’s without a leader, she may need a new plan. If Scum were without any guidance on Night 7, she might have been trying to get some info for whoever’s left to utilize. What I think is more bothersome, though, is that she defends herself against starrirain on Day 8 but hasn’t been back since, even though three other people have voted for her since starrirain’s initial vote. She didn’t post on the “away” boards, so maybe she doesn’t know what to say in her defense at this point? - - - - Now, onto Suburban. His early posts read very pro-Town to me, but, of course, he IS experienced. Still, a few things caught my eye. There’s a tiny bit of TexCat defense (short-lived as he voted TexCat soon afterward). Could be trying to help a ScumBuddy before going with the vote to earn some Town cred, or could just be looking at every angle. BUT, TexCat isn’t the only Scum he’s defended – this was directed to Pleo: For the record, because I don't think I addressed it earlier, I think you're Town. I think people are voting for you because they don't like the fact that you claimed at the 'first minute' (or was it even before that in this case?). I don't particularly like it either, but I've come to understand that it's basically a null-tell for you. In itself, not much there. He states his position, why, and how it fits with previous Pleo games. Could be nothing, could be something. I also initially thought that Pleo was Town, as did others. But let’s move on to Suburban’s take on Hal as Detective… Voting Hal on Day 8 is NOT out of my realm of possibility. What possible reason would you have to vote Hal on Day 8? I'm in complete agreement that Hal is not confirmed town, and there's still a possibility that he's Scum, but there is no reason to vote for him in this upcoming Day. All he's done recently is identify Scum for us to lynch. As long as he can continue to answer the question "What have you done for us lately?" with "Found you yet another Scum", there is absolutely no reason to vote for him. Even if he were bussing his teammates, there would be no reason to stop him as long as he continued to do so. Well, there's still hope for Hal... ;D while Suburban isn’t the only one who has questioned Hal, he’s played both sides of the argument within 8 hours. The second instance could read as a (inside) joke, sure, but maybe not. So, as a result of that first Hal post, I ask Suburban - Hal hasn’t identified any Scum since Pleo on Day 7, so, Suburban, would you reconsider voting for him? Meeko, want to weigh in on this, too?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 3, 2012 18:52:41 GMT -5
Suits101 - 6 votes (dizzymrslizzy, Hal Briston, Silver Jan, supermel, Colby11, annetastic) Suburban Plankton - 4 votes (Meeko, Archangel, wombat99, patricia) Cathi - 2 votes (crys, guiri)
1 of 12 votes to end day early
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Post by supermel on Jul 3, 2012 18:53:26 GMT -5
Farewell Gnarly, well played. Welcome back Patricia and Dizzy, hope you enjoy being skum . color=blue]Vote Cathi Winner gets a pack of Virtual Jaffa Cakes. Yum! Day 16 for me. Didn't you claim Vanilla Town back on D5? If you're telling the truth, you're not a/the Doc and you're not confirmed so you're way down scum's hit list, near the bottom, if not at the bottom. Eh? I'll admit I am intrigued by this. Why toDay, why now? I look forward to Suit's explanation, I understand pressure votes but I'm not seeing how it's indicative of her alignment. Patricia was Town, you and CIAS have been confirmed Town by gnarly, Ginger got back in time to unvote. What did you make of the votes by supermel and amykb? But - I already had Suits101 on my suspicious list due to subbing in after a 23-page Day1 when she should have had a feel for how much of a commitment this game would take, then lurking/being inactive. Suits, you say you aren't participating because you are moving and packing. Was that move unexpected? Suits started the game as francescaj, a detective, and was killed N1. She subbed back in on D3, replacing Annette and has posted to some extent D3, D4, D7, D9 and toDay. On D4 she voted TexCat and, despite being the 3rd vote, it looks real to me. Bleached, In response to Guiri, I could not get back in time to change my vote, I did post in the away thread...
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 3, 2012 19:12:46 GMT -5
So, as a result of that first Hal post, I ask Suburban - Hal hasn’t identified any Scum since Pleo on Day 7, so, Suburban, would you reconsider voting for him? Meeko, want to weigh in on this, too? I would consider voting for him, sure. If Hal is Scum, then he's pulled by far the boldest and most unlikely ploy that I've ever seen. We must not forget that he single-handedly gave us four (I think, correct me if my memory is faulty) Scum; the fact that he's now 'only' identified a couple Townies in a row can't really be held against him at this point. It would have been nice if gnarlycharlie had investigated Hal at some point so that we could have an ironclad lock on him, but that didn't happen. Still, I can't see myself actually voting for him any time real soon... For the record: Well, there's still hope for Hal... ;D was most definitely a joke, and I didn't consider it to be an inside one either...more an attempt at a cheap laugh...YMMV
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Post by starrirain on Jul 3, 2012 19:51:10 GMT -5
Suburban and amykb , did you miss that gnarly DID investigate Hal ? Let's please not overlook this list of people who were confirmed before gnarly was NK'd. sigh... i was hoping people would see reason without me having to defend myself but it is what it is. Hal, as i said earlier, you get your wish. i am the other detective. i have been lying low because i believe there is only one doc left and can't protect both of us. since you have a lot of cred, i don't believe i would survive the Night. so here are my results: N1 - wombat v1 N2 - michelehunter v1 N3 - Hal Briston is Town (i know about your past shenanigans ;D) N4 - Archangel is Town (that's why i didn't suspect you N5 - kagemoto (unfortunately he was dead at Dawn) N6 - Pleo (i was elated but you had to steal my thunder, Hal ) N7 - guiri v2 is Town N8 - CatinaSuit is Town i kept hinting that Hal should investigate inactives not only because it would force scum to NK if they were found to be town and because i was investigating active experienced players. i breadcrumbed Hal and Archangel. not sure if i did the others. so i would look at those voting for me except for those i have cleared. if Hal's unknown confirmed Town is voting for me, that lessens the choices. JustBeingGinger, Suburban Plankton, supermel and Patricia are the unconfirmed ones. seriously, the reasons for voting me are crap.
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Post by AmyKay on Jul 3, 2012 20:11:43 GMT -5
Suburban and amykb , did you miss that gnarly DID investigate Hal ? Let's please not overlook this list of people who were confirmed before gnarly was NK'd. ha! great point, starrirain. I totally had that whole list copied into my notes... then promptly didn't remember it was there when I went looking thru Suburban's posts. In that case, ignore the bottom third of my latest post - my only pings of note on Suburban then are the defenses of TexCat and Pleo.
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Post by starrirain on Jul 3, 2012 20:13:28 GMT -5
NETA: @ amykb I can't see what you mean by suburban playing both sides of the arguement...the posts read to me like both times he was unsure of Hal's alighnment, so I'm not seeing how he was playing both sides.
That being said, can we possibly halt another low info bandwagon for the time being? Just a suggestion, but I still think there is much more to go on elsewhere, aka cathi , richbeckman , amykb . I mean, already toDay amykb is throwing suspicion at Hal and I can not grasp why, except a scum ploy of course.
I do appreciate her smudging cathi but perhaps scum already decided in the Night who was a better sacrifice of the ones who were under suspicion? Some food for thought.
For now Vote amykb [/color]
Back up off our Cop!
I will happily change my vote to the others I mentioned if their cases gain some traction, or perhaps even someone else if another decent case comes along. But PLEASE let's put some thought into this so we don't end up like yesterDay. I think yesterDay, the scum team sat and laughed at us while we attacked poor Townies. Let's not make this easy for them you guys.
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Post by starrirain on Jul 3, 2012 20:16:11 GMT -5
keke, glad I could refresh your memory sorry, my last post was in process as you were posting I suppose, so I just now saw your reply
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Post by AmyKay on Jul 3, 2012 20:35:01 GMT -5
NETA: @ amykb I can't see what you mean by suburban playing both sides of the arguement...the posts read to me like both times he was unsure of Hal's alighnment, so I'm not seeing how he was playing both sides. That being said, can we possibly halt another low info bandwagon for the time being? Just a suggestion, but I still think there is much more to go on elsewhere, aka cathi , richbeckman , amykb . I mean, already toDay amykb is throwing suspicion at Hal and I can not grasp why, except a scum ploy of course. snipped. to me, Suburban's first post read as " Hal is Town" and the second read as "maybe he's a Scum detective" - just to clarify my "both sides" comment. and I'm certainly not throwing suspicion AT Hal, I was meaning to throw suspicion at Suburban by asking if he was STILL suspicious of Hal. This has obviously now been resolved. and yeah, I can "halt the low info bandwagons," I just wanted to finish what I said I'd do yesterDay - look at cathi and suburban as possibilities to vote for toDay. guess I'll sit back and see what other people can unearth and go from there then. not that either of those people are off my watchlist.
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Post by Meeko on Jul 3, 2012 20:44:51 GMT -5
Well... yes. I'm sorry, I'm not following your train of thought on why you think Suburban is scummy. Because of the vote on gnarlycharlie? I'm glad someone asked the question besides me. But then three posts later: vote Suburban PlanktonLet's put some lynch pressure on Suburban. There's a good case for him being scum, but it's also possible that he was Hal's investigation target last Night (being one of the gnarly voters and all) and if that's the case, Hal can step in and reveal that and prevent a mislynch. What...did Meeko PM you his reply? What is the "good case" for me being Scum? And what happened in the 68 minutes between the two quoted posts that made it suddenly clear to you? Suburban : I was all set to vote for Suits. It's so far out there in left field, that it needs some attention, by someone, for some reason. Yours, Yours is a a stealth smudge on me. Yours is something that needs attention too, but our players in the game need to attend to it, and the reason is because you are scum. Suits is a shot in the dark. Yours is a shot in my back. To say nothing of the fact that your experience of Mafia appears to be lacking. When come back, bring your experience back. I think you are pandering to the noobs by playing at a few levels lower than you know how to play.
We already have seen Mod-Kills in this game for less than sending PMs. Yours is a smudge and an over-reaching at that. You are throwing everything and anything at me. None of it is sticking. FOS Suburban. I'll be back in due course to explain FOS if that responsibility has been passed all the way back around to me.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 3, 2012 20:54:40 GMT -5
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Post by Meeko on Jul 3, 2012 21:03:07 GMT -5
Town Detectives that lie are the bane of some former mod's existence. They with the abillity to look at lemmings and know inherently the difference......... grumble grumble grumble.[/sub]
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Post by Meeko on Jul 3, 2012 21:05:33 GMT -5
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Post by Meeko on Jul 3, 2012 21:06:45 GMT -5
I swear I'm channeling Peeker the more and more in this game.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 3, 2012 21:14:58 GMT -5
Meeko, When I posted "What, did Meeko PM you his reply?", I was intentionally (I thought) being absurd. I never for a moment meant to imply that you might have been communicating with wombat99 (or anyone else) via PM, which is of course forbidden. Rather, I meant to imply that there was no apparent reason for wombat's sudden change of heart on me, from "I'm not following your train of thought on why you think Suburban is scummy" to "There's a good case for him being scum". The PM comment was a 'throwaway line' meant to indicate that the only possible reasoning I could think of was something that was in fact impossible. I very much disagree with our statement that I've been "pandering", though. I will admit that I'm taking a bit more 'relaxed' approach to this game; that's due to a number of factors both in-game and out-of-game. But I certainly didn't mean to imply any sort of 'dirty play' on your part at all. I do still think you're Scum though But for the moment I'm going to Vote: wombat99 for the unexplained vote on me, and the fact that she hasn't come back to answer for it.
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Post by Meeko on Jul 3, 2012 21:20:32 GMT -5
Meeko, When I posted "What, did Meeko PM you his reply?", I was intentionally (I thought) being absurd. I never for a moment meant to imply that you might have been communicating with wombat99 (or anyone else) via PM, which is of course forbidden. Rather, I meant to imply that there was no apparent reason for wombat's sudden change of heart on me, from "I'm not following your train of thought on why you think Suburban is scummy" to "There's a good case for him being scum". The PM comment was a 'throwaway line' meant to indicate that the only possible reasoning I could think of was something that was in fact impossible. I very much disagree with our statement that I've been "pandering", though. I will admit that I'm taking a bit more 'relaxed' approach to this game; that's due to a number of factors both in-game and out-of-game. But I certainly didn't mean to imply any sort of 'dirty play' on your part at all. I do still think you're Scum though But for the moment I'm going to Vote: wombat99 [/color] for the unexplained vote on me, and the fact that she hasn't come back to answer for it.[/quote] Does this mean I have to stop using the size and sub tag?
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Post by Meeko on Jul 3, 2012 21:22:07 GMT -5
OOG
And on that note, I think I'm gonna crack a beer or two.
/OOG
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Post by Meeko on Jul 3, 2012 21:22:52 GMT -5
NETA
OOG I wonder if I should post once I'm with drink.
Oh wait, Ed's not playing.
Drat.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 3, 2012 21:32:26 GMT -5
You should make an experiment out of it. Have a drink, make a post. Continue until you can no longer see the keyboard, or we lynch you for making 'annoying drunk posts'
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Post by crys on Jul 3, 2012 22:17:27 GMT -5
Drunk people get on my nerves very quickly unless I am drunk.
OOG-Getting drunk for me rarely happens because I work too damn much in the past 3 days I have put in almost 40 hours and my week isn't over yet lol.
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