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Day 11
Jul 10, 2012 23:17:33 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 10, 2012 23:17:33 GMT -5
CatInASuit/jlrinmke, Town, is dead.
Day again.
It will end on Saturday at 10AM.
Or, if 10 people vote for End of Day (early)
ATTENTION: GnarlyCharlie is subbing in for jerelijah.
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 1:05:15 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 11, 2012 1:05:15 GMT -5
Only one death last Night, at least the NK's seem to be going down or the doc is still protecting the right people.
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 7:15:39 GMT -5
Post by supermel on Jul 11, 2012 7:15:39 GMT -5
hmm, only one, that is good news! Going back to reread last few days so i can post my thoughts on some of the runner ups.
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 8:06:47 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jul 11, 2012 8:06:47 GMT -5
Well, either Idle and I think a lot alike when it comes to game design, or our doc is doing a bang-up job out there*. Either way, I'll take it.
*Unlike me, who found town again last night -- again, no reveal unless someone I've investigated is in serious danger of lynching.
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 8:15:07 GMT -5
Post by supermel on Jul 11, 2012 8:15:07 GMT -5
ok, suits101, still strikes me as suspicious on day 10, not just so much in a hurry to have day end, but just the whole 'i'm vanilla, don't want a mislynch. (in two different posts). so still on my radar but not ready to vote yet.
suburban plankton is also on my radar. Found a bit defensive a few days back, then seemed fine- then started to make we wonder in day 10- the comment about pm's particularly just seemed out of place- not matter how it was explained and then forgetting about Hal. None of it is over the top, just on my radar. I won't be voting yet.
hopefully can post more after..
hoping Hal had good results last night...
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 8:51:12 GMT -5
Post by michelehunter on Jul 11, 2012 8:51:12 GMT -5
Hal just said he found town last night?
Only, One night kill, awesome hopefully that means the scum are almost obsolete : )
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 8:53:51 GMT -5
Post by supermel on Jul 11, 2012 8:53:51 GMT -5
yah he posted while i was reading back in another window, just saw it.
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 10:05:21 GMT -5
Post by phoenixphyre on Jul 11, 2012 10:05:21 GMT -5
Ooops posted this day 10 by accident so reposting here... hope I am not breaking any rules... On to Suburban, I kind of feel like s/he's only playing when s/he has time (hey, like me!), and I feel a lot of sympathy for the volume of players & information to keep track of. So while I recognize that's an emotionally driven response, rather than fact/post driven, I'm not voting Suburban today. I think I'm next in line, and all I can say is that I'm vanilla. cathi's reason to not vote off another SCUM??? Thoughts?
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 11:17:38 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 11, 2012 11:17:38 GMT -5
The last Official Vote Count prior to Dusk on Day 10 was in Post 119, about 22 hours before EoD. At that point, the vote was Cathi - 6 votes (crys, guiri, starrirain, JustBeingGinger, Colby11, richardbeckman) Suburban Plankton - 5 votes (Meeko, Archangel, wombat99, patricia, michelehunter) Suits101 - 4 votes (dizzymrslizzy, Hal Briston, supermel, annetastic) wombat99 - 1 vote (Suburban Plankton) richardbeckman - 1 vote (cathi) The voting after that point went as follows: Post 122: AmyKB votes Cathi Post 124: Silver Jan votes Suburban Post 126: phoenixfyre votes Suburban Post 130: LadyRogue votes Cathi Post 133: Archangel unvotes Suburban, votes Cathi So we had a case where there was a Scum leading the vote late into the Day, with two other candidates very close behind. In fact, as of Post 126, 13 hours befire EoD, there was a tie vote. So why did Cathi get lynched instead of me? (Of course, some of you will say "because you're both Scum, so you were screwed either way". You're wrong, though I hardly expect you to take my word for it. But bear in mind that this post is based on the fact that I know I'm Town.) Right off, I'm inclined to put AmyKB and LadyRogue in the 'Town' category, because I don't see Scum bussing each other in that situation as even remotely likely. And of course Archangel was already confirmed Town by gnarly. Silver Jan is a Mason, so I'll forgive her vote on me (this time!). Which leaves phoenixfyre as a possible "late-voting Scum trying to save her teammate"....or not. I do think it's 'interesting' that nobody unvotes Suits101 late in the Day, when it became a two-player contest. My gut tells me that there weren't any Scum on that wagon, or else they would have moved their votes to me. I think we'll find Scum in the poeple that voted for me yesterDay. Those people were: Meeko wombat99 patricia michelehunter Silver Jan phoenixfyre Silver Jan is out, being a Mason. And even I'm tired of hearing myself talk about Meeko. So that leaves 4 others for me to take a look at Today. Unfortunately I haven't kept my usual spreadsheet for this game, so I don't have a ton of notes handy, so if anyone wants to help out here it would be much appreciated
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 11:23:28 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 11, 2012 11:23:28 GMT -5
Well, either Idle and I think a lot alike when it comes to game design, or our doc is doing a bang-up job out there*. Either way, I'll take it. *Unlike me, who found town again last night -- again, no reveal unless someone I've investigated is in serious danger of lynching. Hal, at this point you have identified two Townies whose names you have not revealed, is that correct?
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 14:54:36 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jul 11, 2012 14:54:36 GMT -5
Hal, at this point you have identified two Townies whose names you have not revealed, is that correct? Correct, two. When I name them, they have a bad habit of waking up dead, so I'm filing the names in a glass box labeled "only open upon danger of mislynching".
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 17:19:09 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Jul 11, 2012 17:19:09 GMT -5
And I did keep my vote on Suburban, but I was watching EOD. LadyRogue put Cathi ahead by 1 (about 3.5 hours before EOD), then the only thing that might have happened is if Cathi had come back to make a self-preserving vote on Suburban to tie it up again. But then Archangel switched her vote ~45 minutes before EOD to put Cathi up by 2, so it was pretty safe at that point. I still don't understand what you meant. If Cathi had changed her vote to Suburban, your top lynch candidate, you would have changed your vote to Cathi? Is that the only situation in which you would have moved your vote? I thought Lady Rouge coming to vote at the last minute was interesting myself. Interesting like "wow, that was pretty cool" or interesting like "ooh, that's suspicious, I might vote her"? experienced players/Idle: what sort of conditions could exist where CIAS (who voted every Day except Day 4, I believe) would get subbed out while there are still inactive players (like jerejiliah and TotalUlla) ? Did you come to any conclusions about the high-priority substition? Maybe scum thought he was the Doc? Rich, what's the difference between "confirmation bias" and "I conclude that if you read her posts with the assumption that she is Scum, it all makes sense."? Do they give you popcorn in the viewing gallery?
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 17:39:30 GMT -5
Post by phoenixphyre on Jul 11, 2012 17:39:30 GMT -5
@suburban. This is my first game ever, in fact until Chris held the Packrat contest I had never even heard of this game. I seem to be terrible at picking out Scum as evidenced by my terrible vote record. I don't know if that comes with playing more of what. My last post was my attempt to get people to discuss why cathi would single you out, and then draw similarities to her life, and then say she was not voting for you. Just seemed strange to me. I confess to late voting, simply because I have no clue who to vote for. Obviously some of you saw cathi as Scummier then I could see. I even said that I did not have a front runner. That, sadly, is still true. I was even wondering, if skimming is a scum tell, why would cathi admit to it, if she were scum? That all being said, I am going to settle back to read what others post, and try, again, to make sense of it all. But Suburban, I am still surprised that you did not know of Hal's confirmation, because it seemed we were all so intense on finding out for sure.
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 18:29:08 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 11, 2012 18:29:08 GMT -5
Pheonix I think that it's really a beginner scum that would say something like that. I didn't realize it was a scum tell until I read it here.....but that leads me to wonder about Wombat and his too much information about how that was a scum tell.... Was that something that was talked about on the scum board?
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 19:23:13 GMT -5
Post by phoenixphyre on Jul 11, 2012 19:23:13 GMT -5
dizzy here is more confusion for me...here is wombat replying to Starrirain, where he votes for patricia, points to a "mea culpa" about gnarley saying how important it is to check before end of day... but twice in his comments he points to reasons Not to vote for Suburban. Possible Doc and just a "set aside". So we have both cathi and Wombat pointing out that they are not voting for Suburban??? In fact if you go back to day 10 Wombat, several times, points to Suburban, and yet points away. If someone repeats the same thing over and over do others accept and turn away after a while. Is this just some scum protection? Or am I, once again, barking up the wrong tree? See, without being surer, I find it hard to vote and, again, send a Town to their doom. As for how Wombat knows about Scum tells, I assume (yes I know about assume) it is either experience, something that Scum agreed on in discussions. Like I said, sitting back and waiting to see what else comes up... Starrirain, love your WOW! I'm snipping out some bits to discuss them: Actually I'm worried now about my Suburban vote. He's acting like Gnarly did - disappearing and not making a self-preserving vote... Could he be the doc? Archangel's comment about people acting strangely being power town, not scum, is nagging at me. Only in the sense that the investigation result can be used like a safety net. I followed Gnarly's suggestion and looked closely at his unconfirmed voters. I made a guess that Hal would investigate one of the unconfirmed Gnarly voters, and (if that's what he did) then having that Town result could avoid a mislynch. It is frustrating. I voted patricia for the same reason. Are players legitimately unavailable at EOD to change their vote, or are they scum with a good excuse to not change their vote? (Oh, Gnarly claimed detective? I had no idea, didn't see it in time! Sorry about that vote!) We don't know. That's another reason I thought looking at the gnarly voters is a legitimate strategy. I don't know about you but if I'm near a screen at beginning/ending of Day, I'm checking to see what went down See above.... Suburban's disappearance has me second-guessing. I would like others to weigh in here. I'm willing to set Suburban aside for Today if need be.
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 19:51:08 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 11, 2012 19:51:08 GMT -5
Hmmm interesting information Phoenix Very interesting. That combined with my observation makes me fairly comfortable to say:
Vote: Wombat
Sorry hun, I know you were Town the first time around, but you just have way too much information, much more information then you had a few days ago.
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 19:52:48 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 11, 2012 19:52:48 GMT -5
Ugh stupid head cold.....
Let me try this again:
Vote: Wombat
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 19:54:15 GMT -5
Post by AmyKay on Jul 11, 2012 19:54:15 GMT -5
I've been kinda intrigued by the various maths being used to figure out how many Scum are in the game and how their multiple kills work, but after seeing just one death toDay, I guess it all comes together! so, we're probably looking at 4 Scum and 20 Town left? I think our odds are pretty good, then, especially with 7 confirmed Town (including Hal's 2 mystery folks) in the mix. It kinda makes me want to re-examine the people Pleo declared ( supermel, crys, michelehunter, and the newGnarly), as I did think it would be odd that he wouldn't try to help out any of his fellow scum after his antics. so, that's who I'll be looking at today, though Suburban is still on my list, too. experienced players/Idle: what sort of conditions could exist where CIAS (who voted every Day except Day 4, I believe) would get subbed out while there are still inactive players (like jerejiliah and TotalUlla) ? Did you come to any conclusions about the high-priority substition? Maybe scum thought he was the Doc? No, I didn't. I kinda figured that, because the experienced players weren't saying much about the situation, this must have precedent. Though, after seeing the CIAS sub was knocked out last Night, I wonder if that position being Town says something about the now-subbed jerejiliah /newGnarly and the remaining inactive, totalulla. also, Gnarly, if you're now back, that means whomever you investigated your final Night alive is dead or also known to Hal, right?
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 20:01:43 GMT -5
Post by AmyKay on Jul 11, 2012 20:01:43 GMT -5
Pheonix I think that it's really a beginner scum that would say something like that. I didn't realize it was a scum tell until I read it here.....but that leads me to wonder about Wombat and his too much information about how that was a scum tell.... Was that something that was talked about on the scum board? I have "skimming is a scum tell" in my notes from Day Two - a little searching reveals CIAS gave that tidbit. The page is locked so I can't quote it, but it's here: idlemafia.com/index.cgi?board=mara&action=display&thread=1927&page=15 about 3/4 of the way down.
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 20:07:47 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jul 11, 2012 20:07:47 GMT -5
Pheonix I think that it's really a beginner scum that would say something like that. I didn't realize it was a scum tell until I read it here.....but that leads me to wonder about Wombat and his too much information about how that was a scum tell.... Was that something that was talked about on the scum board? Ok, I'm lost. I don't remember posting about scum tells. Crys did, here, is this what you're thinking of? <font style="font-size: 12px;"> I have no idea what to do with a player who (proudly?) declares that they are skimming. Don't I remember reading somewhere that skimming is a scum tell???...I think I did. Unless something really changes my mind my vote is staying right where it is. I think it's common knowledge that skimming is a scum tell, at least it's been brought up a few times during this game. I don't think anyone should get voted for that. Any particular reason why you and phoenixphyre are looking for reasons to vote me?
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 20:23:55 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 11, 2012 20:23:55 GMT -5
Okay I was wrong. I though that post was written by you, Wombat, and I didn't go back and check. Damn, I thought I was finally getting somewhere here.
So yeah Unvote: Wombat
And I'm looking for a 'particular reason' to vote for all unconfirmed players!
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 20:46:53 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jul 11, 2012 20:46:53 GMT -5
And I did keep my vote on Suburban, but I was watching EOD. LadyRogue put Cathi ahead by 1 (about 3.5 hours before EOD), then the only thing that might have happened is if Cathi had come back to make a self-preserving vote on Suburban to tie it up again. But then Archangel switched her vote ~45 minutes before EOD to put Cathi up by 2, so it was pretty safe at that point. I still don't understand what you meant. If Cathi had changed her vote to Suburban, your top lynch candidate, you would have changed your vote to Cathi? Is that the only situation in which you would have moved your vote? Yes. If the vote had ended up tied, I would have moved my vote to Cathi to break it; and that's the only situation where I would have moved it (the only one that comes to mind, anyway). The case against Cathi was getting stronger throughout the Day and my doubts about Suburban were nagging at me. So I suppose by EOD Suburban was not my top lynch candidate any longer ( Cathi was), but I was too chicken to move my vote due to being previously NK'd for a last minute vote switch.
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 21:07:50 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jul 11, 2012 21:07:50 GMT -5
Ooops posted this day 10 by accident so reposting here... hope I am not breaking any rules... On to Suburban, I kind of feel like s/he's only playing when s/he has time (hey, like me!), and I feel a lot of sympathy for the volume of players & information to keep track of. So while I recognize that's an emotionally driven response, rather than fact/post driven, I'm not voting Suburban today. I think I'm next in line, and all I can say is that I'm vanilla. cathi's reason to not vote off another SCUM??? Thoughts? I think this is quite telling. At this point the vote was 5-5-4, tied between Suburban and Cathi, ( Suits in 3rd place) and the last 3 votes were for Cathi. Momentum is building against her and she's in danger of being lynched. Cathi knew Suburban's alignment. If he's Town - why not make a self-preserving vote against him? Why instead state with certainty that she will *not* be voting for him? If he's scum - Cathi doesn't want to bus him, she thinks, better me than him. ( Cathi probably wanted out of the game anyway). Instead, she tries to re-focus attention on richbeckman, possibly hoping to get guiri (who is one of the most vocal against her) back on his case and take some of the heat off of her. I think this adds to the case for Suburban being scum.
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 21:31:22 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jul 11, 2012 21:31:22 GMT -5
dizzy here is more confusion for me...here is wombat replying to Starrirain, where he votes for patricia, points to a "mea culpa" about gnarley saying how important it is to check before end of day... but twice in his comments he points to reasons Not to vote for Suburban. Possible Doc and just a "set aside". So we have both cathi and Wombat pointing out that they are not voting for Suburban??? In fact if you go back to day 10 Wombat, several times, points to Suburban, and yet points away. If someone repeats the same thing over and over do others accept and turn away after a while. Is this just some scum protection? Or am I, once again, barking up the wrong tree? See, without being surer, I find it hard to vote and, again, send a Town to their doom. As for how Wombat knows about Scum tells, I assume (yes I know about assume) it is either experience, something that Scum agreed on in discussions. Like I said, sitting back and waiting to see what else comes up... Starrirain, love your WOW! I'm snipping out some bits to discuss them: Actually I'm worried now about my Suburban vote. He's acting like Gnarly did - disappearing and not making a self-preserving vote... Could he be the doc? Archangel's comment about people acting strangely being power town, not scum, is nagging at me. Only in the sense that the investigation result can be used like a safety net. I followed Gnarly's suggestion and looked closely at his unconfirmed voters. I made a guess that Hal would investigate one of the unconfirmed Gnarly voters, and (if that's what he did) then having that Town result could avoid a mislynch. It is frustrating. I voted patricia for the same reason. Are players legitimately unavailable at EOD to change their vote, or are they scum with a good excuse to not change their vote? (Oh, Gnarly claimed detective? I had no idea, didn't see it in time! Sorry about that vote!) We don't know. That's another reason I thought looking at the gnarly voters is a legitimate strategy. I don't know about you but if I'm near a screen at beginning/ending of Day, I'm checking to see what went down See above.... Suburban's disappearance has me second-guessing. I would like others to weigh in here. I'm willing to set Suburban aside for Today if need be. I was commiserating with starrirain about having to vote for Patricia to save (claimed, at that point) Detective gnarlycharlie_v1, even though I thought patricia was Town. I had started second-guessing my Suburban vote (for the reasons stated in the post you quote), and I posted about it in the hope that others would weigh in with their opinions, which they did.
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 22:00:28 GMT -5
Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 11, 2012 22:00:28 GMT -5
<snip> Rich, what's the difference between "confirmation bias" and "I conclude that if you read her posts with the assumption that she is Scum, it all makes sense."? Do they give you popcorn in the viewing gallery? LOL!! Probably not a lot. In retrospect, it was really her Day One conversion from anxious newbie to confident (but wrong) scum finder that turned me. I don't know about the popcorn, I avoid the stuff.
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Post by crys on Jul 11, 2012 22:35:24 GMT -5
Okay I was wrong. I though that post was written by you, Wombat, and I didn't go back and check. Damn, I thought I was finally getting somewhere here. So yeah Unvote: WombatAnd I'm looking for a 'particular reason' to vote for all unconfirmed players! Let me give some clarification to that post. Crys 1.0 had been suspicious of cathi and had voted her and tben she died. After I subbed back in I did some digging and made a post on it and voted cathi again. I admit I didn't put it as eloquently as richard. I believe day 10 was crys 2.0 second vote against cathi. I most likely would have continued voting cathi because she just struck me as off. As far as who to vote today I have no idea. I'm looking at everyone myself. Sent from my SCH-I405 using ProBoards
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 23:33:29 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 11, 2012 23:33:29 GMT -5
Funny. I'm tired of talking about Suburban as well.
It doesn't change his alignment, or mine.
Vote Suburban
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Day 11
Jul 11, 2012 23:58:40 GMT -5
Post by michelehunter on Jul 11, 2012 23:58:40 GMT -5
I find it funny that Surburban would point to any one when they are very high on my list and always have been. I think all the late votes for Cathi were to try to save another scum, not sure if there is a power role in the scum pool but.....
Unless Hal says something different I'm very comfortable voting for them now
Vote Surburban
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Day 11
Jul 12, 2012 0:38:32 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 12, 2012 0:38:32 GMT -5
Suburban Plankton - 2 votes (Meeko, michelehunter)
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Day 11
Jul 12, 2012 3:23:43 GMT -5
Post by phoenixphyre on Jul 12, 2012 3:23:43 GMT -5
Wombat, looking for reasons to vote you or anyone is the object of the game isn't it? I am trying to find Scum and then vote that person. There is sooooo much reading now, that I know I cannot hope to cover, re-read and remember all of it. Instead if I see something that might be called "things that make you go hmmmm!!" I am posting them so the collective can look and comment, and help me along. In this case two people, one confirmed Scum (you and cathi) pointing to the same person (Suburban) but neither voted for that person. To prove my point, you brought up the "scum tell" things from crys, and amybk from CIAS so I am (thank you both) corrected, and dizzy, you reinforced why I am posting and waiting to see what else gets posted before I vote (thank you). I have mis-voted way too many times I think. So it is working. Not that I am any closer to deciding on a person to vote for !!!! As for cathi bussing Suburban. If Scum are indeed low in remaining numbers...even if it is a team sport... I have no doubt "better him than me" would be going through some heads now.
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