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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 1:27:21 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 13, 2012 1:27:21 GMT -5
And now I need opinions on whether it's better to buy Hal one more night or self-protect myself to end game. It would be best to protect Hal so that he can reveal another player tomorrow, whether they be town or scum That was my first instinct too Colby but after thinking about for a while, I am more of the opinion that Archangel should self protect, at least that way we have one Townie that scum cannot ever get rid of. I would favour that over one more reveal from Hal. I totally understand why Archangel claimed now, she must have been worried every Night after she had been confirmed that she would have been NK'd and then scum would be aware that they had killed the doc and then it would be safe to kill Hal. I would definitely be happier with a Townie that cannot die than one more investigation. Hal has done a fantastic job in this game and I don't want to lose him, it's just that I am trying to be practical here. @ Suburban, why do you think that Story is the Mod in this game? I have looked at Cathi's post about not voting for Suburban and it's just given me a lot more WIFOM. As a newbie scum she might not have wanted to vote for him, on the other hand she could have been coached by scum to say that so that Suburban looked scummy? I also looked at the post where Suburban said he would forgive me for my vote on him yesterday, was it scum trying to snuggle a bit or Town just telling me that I am being silly again? I really don't know what to do about it. I can see the case on RichBeckman, at first I thought he came across as really confidant and now he is playing the newbie card. As a newbie scum that would be quite easy to do because you will listen to your scum buddies and you know who is Town so your posts can be confidant because you are making it all up. Later on in the game you do have to account for yourself and that's when he plays the newbie card. Vote RichBeckman
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 7:49:33 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 13, 2012 7:49:33 GMT -5
1. There are 5 confirmeds alive right now (not counting the people Hal hasn't revealed yet): Hal, Silverjan, me, Guiri, and annetastic.
2. Scum is looking for me (as in me the doctor, not me Archangel).
3. They know Hal and Silverjan aren't the doctor.
4. I'm 75% sure they tried to kill Guiri last night and failed because I protected him.
5. That leaves me and Annetastic toNight.
6. I could have kept quiet but if I kept quiet I'd have to protect myself (because I'm more likely to be a target tonight under the circumstances where I keep quiet than Hal) and then Hal would likely die without getting a chance to reveal his other two investigations.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 7:51:30 GMT -5
Post by Archangel on Jul 13, 2012 7:51:30 GMT -5
And, if I'm wrong and scum only has one NK at this point (but I really don't think I am because Guiri being an NK target last night fits the pattern perfectly), I'd at best have one more night to hide and then have the same problem.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 7:59:14 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 13, 2012 7:59:14 GMT -5
It would be best to protect Hal so that he can reveal another player tomorrow, whether they be town or scum That was my first instinct too Colby but after thinking about for a while, I am more of the opinion that Archangel should self protect, at least that way we have one Townie that scum cannot ever get rid of. I would favour that over one more reveal from Hal. I totally understand why Archangel claimed now, she must have been worried every Night after she had been confirmed that she would have been NK'd and then scum would be aware that they had killed the doc and then it would be safe to kill Hal. I would definitely be happier with a Townie that cannot die than one more investigation. Hal has done a fantastic job in this game and I don't want to lose him, it's just that I am trying to be practical here. Snipped I think it all depends on how many kills scum have left If scum has only 1 kill, then they have 7 nights to kill all the confirmed (if they aren't all protected) If scum still has 2 kills (don't believe this but playing this scenario out), scum would probably have all of the confirmed killed within 4 nights.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 8:16:52 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 13, 2012 8:16:52 GMT -5
And now I need opinions on whether it's better to buy Hal one more night or self-protect myself to end game. It would be best to protect Hal so that he can reveal another player tomorrow, whether they be town or scum Yes, but if Archangel gets NK'd does her protection remain in effect for them not to kill Hal. I am not sure how that would work. I see why she claimed at this point, it is best to know who is confirmed town for us of those who don't know who is town and who is not, but it is still going to hurt town in the end by losing the DOC or COP... I would protect Hal, the DOC really has no "special" powers if everyone else is just vanilla town ( I am assuming for the sake of argument).
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 8:19:45 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 13, 2012 8:19:45 GMT -5
It would be best to protect Hal so that he can reveal another player tomorrow, whether they be town or scum That was my first instinct too Colby but after thinking about for a while, I am more of the opinion that Archangel should self protect, at least that way we have one Townie that scum cannot ever get rid of. I would favour that over one more reveal from Hal. I totally understand why Archangel claimed now, she must have been worried every Night after she had been confirmed that she would have been NK'd and then scum would be aware that they had killed the doc and then it would be safe to kill Hal. I would definitely be happier with a Townie that cannot die than one more investigation. Hal has done a fantastic job in this game and I don't want to lose him, it's just that I am trying to be practical here. @ Suburban, why do you think that Story is the Mod in this game? I have looked at Cathi's post about not voting for Suburban and it's just given me a lot more WIFOM. As a newbie scum she might not have wanted to vote for him, on the other hand she could have been coached by scum to say that so that Suburban looked scummy? I also looked at the post where Suburban said he would forgive me for my vote on him yesterday, was it scum trying to snuggle a bit or Town just telling me that I am being silly again? I really don't know what to do about it. I can see the case on RichBeckman, at first I thought he came across as really confidant and now he is playing the newbie card. As a newbie scum that would be quite easy to do because you will listen to your scum buddies and you know who is Town so your posts can be confidant because you are making it all up. Later on in the game you do have to account for yourself and that's when he plays the newbie card. Vote RichBeckmanBUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 8:44:53 GMT -5
Post by LadyRogue-II on Jul 13, 2012 8:44:53 GMT -5
snipped BUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter. This just grabbed my attention ...... scum slip or typo?
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 8:59:08 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jul 13, 2012 8:59:08 GMT -5
snipped BUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter. This just grabbed my attention ...... scum slip or typo? Hmmm. Off to re-read JBG's posts.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 9:06:33 GMT -5
Post by cassipietz on Jul 13, 2012 9:06:33 GMT -5
snipped BUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter. This just grabbed my attention ...... scum slip or typo? I remember Lianne having a similar slip...and she was scum
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 9:20:34 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 13, 2012 9:20:34 GMT -5
snipped BUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter. This just grabbed my attention ...... scum slip or typo? It was a typo pure and simple. I am town.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 9:36:44 GMT -5
Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 13, 2012 9:36:44 GMT -5
<snip> BUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter. Maybe a typo, maybe a Scumian Slip, but there is evidence supporting the typo explanation... Three minutes prior to that post she posted: "I see why she claimed at this point, it is best to know who is confirmed town for us of those who don't know who is town and who is not, but it is still going to hurt town in the end by losing the DOC or COP..." Note the "for us of those" instead of "for those of us".
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 9:52:18 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jul 13, 2012 9:52:18 GMT -5
<snip> BUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter. Maybe a typo, maybe a Scumian Slip, but there is evidence supporting the typo explanation... Three minutes prior to that post she posted: "I see why she claimed at this point, it is best to know who is confirmed town for us of those who don't know who is town and who is not, but it is still going to hurt town in the end by losing the DOC or COP..." Note the "for us of those" instead of "for those of us". Transposing words is different from using the wrong word entirely.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 10:21:46 GMT -5
Post by LadyRogue-II on Jul 13, 2012 10:21:46 GMT -5
Until either someone shows a good argument for someone else, or shows enough to change my mind that it was not a slip vote JustBeingGinger
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 10:24:55 GMT -5
Post by cassipietz on Jul 13, 2012 10:24:55 GMT -5
<snip> BUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter. Maybe a typo, maybe a Scumian Slip, but there is evidence supporting the typo explanation... Three minutes prior to that post she posted: "I see why she claimed at this point, it is best to know who is confirmed town for us of those who don't know who is town and who is not, but it is still going to hurt town in the end by losing the DOC or COP..." Note the "for us of those" instead of "for those of us". I suddenly feel like I have deja vu or something... Ok...I just spent a bunch of time going back and rereading Night Two because of richbeckman's defense of JBG after people saw the slip up/typo and pointed it out...I thought...hmmmm that sounds familiar...wait a minute...wasn't richbeckman the one who defended lianne when I said that I was suspicious of her post about how we almost got a scum rather than a mislynch? let me look..... Why YES it was richbeckman! He was defending a scum then...could he be scum defending a scum yet again? I have to say that is seems to be the case to me...now...who to vote for? Let's try this: vote richbeckmandepending on today's results I just may have my vote for Day 12 all pick out... (oh and if you want to see what I am referring to about the whole lianne thing go to night 2 page 3 it is all there I am no good at linking things)
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 11:13:43 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 13, 2012 11:13:43 GMT -5
Until either someone shows a good argument for someone else, or shows enough to change my mind that it was not a slip vote JustBeingGingerand how would you like me to prove to you that it was not a scum slip. Would you like me to tell you that I had a 4 yr old talking to me while Mickey Mouse Club was on all the while talking to my fiance on the phone all during typing that post. You believe me now... Do you have ANYTHING else on me that is scummy other then my typo? Not even to mention my voting record of two scum when no one knew they were scum, plus my vote on Cathi to help her be in the lynch lead... There is nothing I can say to prove to you that it was a typo versus a scum slip, well I guess your regret finding out I am town if I am lynched...
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 11:34:01 GMT -5
Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 13, 2012 11:34:01 GMT -5
<snip> I suddenly feel like I have deja vu or something... Ok...I just spent a bunch of time going back and rereading Night Two because of richbeckman's defense of JBG after people saw the slip up/typo and pointed it out...I thought...hmmmm that sounds familiar...wait a minute...wasn't richbeckman the one who defended lianne when I said that I was suspicious of her post about how we almost got a scum rather than a mislynch? let me look..... Why YES it was richbeckman! He was defending a scum then...could he be scum defending a scum yet again? I have to say that is seems to be the case to me...now...who to vote for? Let's try this: vote richbeckman depending on today's results I just may have my vote for Day 12 all pick out... (oh and if you want to see what I am referring to about the whole lianne thing go to night 2 page 3 it is all there I am no good at linking things) bleachedLOL!! And today I would still make that same argument (don't lynch over careless typing.) And if anyone goes to Night Two to check, I ask that you scroll further down to post number 74. I had been strongly advocating that Lianne was Scum and should be lynched. But I also think we should lynch for legitimate reasons and not someone's careless typing (certainly careless typing should lead to closer investigation).
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 11:36:47 GMT -5
Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 13, 2012 11:36:47 GMT -5
<snip> BUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter. Maybe a typo, maybe a Scumian Slip, but there is evidence supporting the typo explanation... Three minutes prior to that post she posted: "I see why she claimed at this point, it is best to know who is confirmed town for us of those who don't know who is town and who is not, but it is still going to hurt town in the end by losing the DOC or COP..." Note the "for us of those" instead of "for those of us". Note that I did not argue that JustBeingGinger is Town, I am only arguing that we should have more of a case than a carelessly typed line before lynching her.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 11:43:59 GMT -5
Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 13, 2012 11:43:59 GMT -5
~snipped~ What...did Meeko PM you his reply? What is the "good case" for me being Scum? And what happened in the 68 minutes between the two quoted posts that made it suddenly clear to you? No, no PM from Meeko. (I did take that as a joke). You're right, though, that does look odd the way I posted. These are two parallel thoughts I had, not sequential. In other words, I do think that a good case has been made for you being scum, and a related side thought is that I would like for Meeko to explain why *he* thinks you are scum. (I'm really looking for some insight into Meeko there). Here's the case on you as I see it: Firstly, votes: D1 - random vote on dizzymrslizzyD2 MeekoD5 MeekoD8 Meeko(D4 no vote, and D3, D6, D7 were detective scum reveals) You haven't done much actual scum hunting; you've placed safe votes on Meeko. By safe, I mean that a vote for Meeko is always justifiable on some base level because of his play style. He's so votable! Secondly, this: CIAS makes a good point there. And guiri is Town and Gnarly, RIP. Thirdly, the gnarlycharlie vote: Looking at gnarly's posts, the signal to noise ratio seems awfully low. I don't know if I fully buy into the whole "he was really quiet until after Pleo was lynched, so that's why he's Scum" theory...but it seems that he's still not saying much even though his posting volume has increased quite a bit.
I still think Meeko is Scum, but since nobody seems to agree with me. I find gnarly more suspicious than Patricia at this point, so I'm changing my vote to put a bit of distance there to try to avoid any late-Day shenanigans. Of the unconfirmed gnarly voters, I think you gave the weakest reason for voting for him. You said you didn't totally buy the reasoning against him but that you preferred the case against him over Patricia. They were both weak arguments; why not just vote Meeko again (or look elsewhere)? The other days you voted for Meeko there were between 1 and 3 votes for him, not enough to put him in lynch danger there either or sway the vote. I think this is the strongest case out there, certainly stronger than the case against JustBeingGinger based on one mistyped line. I had often gone over Suburban Plankton's posts looking for a case because he seemed such a likely candidate for Scum, but I failed to see any case until Wombat99 posted the above. Vote: Suburban Plankton
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 11:58:01 GMT -5
Post by Rich Beckman on Jul 13, 2012 11:58:01 GMT -5
<snip> I can see the case on RichBeckman, at first I thought he came across as really confidant and now he is playing the newbie card. As a newbie scum that would be quite easy to do because you will listen to your scum buddies and you know who is Town so your posts can be confidant because you are making it all up. Later on in the game you do have to account for yourself and that's when he plays the newbie card. <snip> I have about given up convincing anyone that I am not Scum, but I do object to your assertion that I have played the newbie card. I do not believe that I have. I have played the "I don't think I am any good at this game card." It is true that I have been confident when I felt I had reason to be so, but in the absence of reasons... I think a review of my posts shows that I was confident Lianne was Scum and I showed good cause for that confidence. Same with Pleo and with Cathi (though it took a lot of time to find that case). I argued confidently that Mchll71 should not be lynched for what amounted to a bunch of misunderstandings. I did not argue she was Town, but I was correct that she should not have been mislynched. So sure, I am confident when I find reasons to be so. But in the absence of reasons, I am flummoxed. The absence of reasons has more to do with my inability to bring any skepticism to the game than with my newbie status.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 12:41:39 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jul 13, 2012 12:41:39 GMT -5
For the record, I still think Suburban is scum. Richbeckman posted my case from yesterday above. Now we have additional evidence of the Cathi vote: Ooops posted this day 10 by accident so reposting here...
hope I am not breaking any rules...
On to Suburban, I kind of feel like s/he's only playing when s/he has time (hey, like me!), and I feel a lot of sympathy for the volume of players & information to keep track of. So while I recognize that's an emotionally driven response, rather than fact/post driven, I'm not voting Suburban today. I think I'm next in line, and all I can say is that I'm vanilla.
cathi's reason to not vote off another SCUM??? Thoughts? I think this is quite telling. At this point the vote was 5-5-4, tied between Suburban and Cathi, ( Suits in 3rd place) and the last 3 votes were for Cathi. Momentum is building against her and she's in danger of being lynched. Cathi knew Suburban's alignment. If he's Town - why not make a self-preserving vote against him? Why instead state with certainty that she will *not* be voting for him? If he's scum - Cathi doesn't want to bus him, she thinks, better me than him. ( Cathi probably wanted out of the game anyway). Instead, she tries to re-focus attention on richbeckman, possibly hoping to get guiri (who is one of the most vocal against her) back on his case and take some of the heat off of her. I think this adds to the case for Suburban being scum. Then Suburban offers this analysis Today: (snipped) So why did Cathi get lynched instead of me? (Of course, some of you will say "because you're both Scum, so you were screwed either way". You're wrong, though I hardly expect you to take my word for it. But bear in mind that this post is based on the fact that I know I'm Town.) Well... yes. I think you're both scum. Annetastic and Hal are confirmed Town, so that leaves Dizzy and Supermel. The converse is also true - if you flip scum, then we have to consider why they did not move their vote to either of the lynch leaders... because there was no non-scum choice? True, if you flip Town then we will have to answer for our vote, but I think it is justifiable. Next we have Suburban's explanation of Cathi's failure to make a self-preserving vote: (snipped) So, the $64 question is: why didn't cathi change her vote in an effort to save herself? She could have voted for me thereby putting me in the lead, or she could have even voted for Suits to create a 3-way tie. So why did she stand pat? I think the best reason comes from cathi herself: On to Suburban, I kind of feel like s/he's only playing when s/he has time (hey, like me!), and I feel a lot of sympathy for the volume of players & information to keep track of. So while I recognize that's an emotionally driven response, rather than fact/post driven, I'm not voting Suburban today. I think I'm next in line, and all I can say is that I'm vanilla.
While I still think that confirmed Town voting together would be powerful, I'm going to vote my conscience, as it were, even though I'm all by my lonesome. She's trying to portray herself as "just a normal person, trying to play the game the honorable way" in hopes that the bandwagon on her might turn around. And indeed, 13 posts later I was in the lead, so it almost worked. The other reason that I think she didn't change her vote is that there was no reasonable way she could vote for me at that point without it coming off as absolutely nothing but a self-preservation vote, which wasn't likely to engender support for her, plus I was voting for wombat so as far as she was concerned I could have easily come in and countered a self-preservation vote with one of my own. If you're Town, by voting for you she can possibly swing the vote your way and get a Townie lynched (very good for scum); and, yes, possibly she attracts a little more suspicion. That's hardly any downside. Her explanation about voting for emotional reasons just sounds completely made up. So, Suburban is my leading lynch candidate at the moment. I see the case on Richbeckman as well, and Ginger, your response to LadyRogue kinda sounds like you've been caught. I'm assuming Hal will be here to reveal the confirmed Townies and I will vote after that. I'm guessing that he has investigated at least one of these three.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 13:31:05 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 13, 2012 13:31:05 GMT -5
snipped BUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter. This just grabbed my attention ...... scum slip or typo? I haven't read to the end of the thread but come on, read the whole post, I just see a typo or a thoughto In no way does it look like a scum slip. I must read on though.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 15:05:36 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 13, 2012 15:05:36 GMT -5
No, no PM from Meeko. (I did take that as a joke). You're right, though, that does look odd the way I posted. These are two parallel thoughts I had, not sequential. In other words, I do think that a good case has been made for you being scum, and a related side thought is that I would like for Meeko to explain why *he* thinks you are scum. (I'm really looking for some insight into Meeko there). Here's the case on you as I see it: Firstly, votes: D1 - random vote on dizzymrslizzyD2 MeekoD5 MeekoD8 Meeko(D4 no vote, and D3, D6, D7 were detective scum reveals) You haven't done much actual scum hunting; you've placed safe votes on Meeko. By safe, I mean that a vote for Meeko is always justifiable on some base level because of his play style. He's so votable! Secondly, this: CIAS makes a good point there. And guiri is Town and Gnarly, RIP. Thirdly, the gnarlycharlie vote: Of the unconfirmed gnarly voters, I think you gave the weakest reason for voting for him. You said you didn't totally buy the reasoning against him but that you preferred the case against him over Patricia. They were both weak arguments; why not just vote Meeko again (or look elsewhere)? The other days you voted for Meeko there were between 1 and 3 votes for him, not enough to put him in lynch danger there either or sway the vote. I think this is the strongest case out there, certainly stronger than the case against JustBeingGinger based on one mistyped line. I had often gone over Suburban Plankton's posts looking for a case because he seemed such a likely candidate for Scum, but I failed to see any case until Wombat99 posted the above. Vote: Suburban Plankton wombat's case against me is the same Today as it was when you first referenced it in Post 85 yesterday. In fact, your comments on it are practically identical, minus the vote... No, no PM from Meeko. (I did take that as a joke). You're right, though, that does look odd the way I posted. These are two parallel thoughts I had, not sequential. In other words, I do think that a good case has been made for you being scum, and a related side thought is that I would like for Meeko to explain why *he* thinks you are scum. (I'm really looking for some insight into Meeko there). Here's the case on you as I see it: Firstly, votes: D1 - random vote on dizzymrslizzyD2 MeekoD5 MeekoD8 Meeko(D4 no vote, and D3, D6, D7 were detective scum reveals) You haven't done much actual scum hunting; you've placed safe votes on Meeko. By safe, I mean that a vote for Meeko is always justifiable on some base level because of his play style. He's so votable! Secondly, this: CIAS makes a good point there. And guiri is Town and Gnarly, RIP. Thirdly, the gnarlycharlie vote: Of the unconfirmed gnarly voters, I think you gave the weakest reason for voting for him. You said you didn't totally buy the reasoning against him but that you preferred the case against him over Patricia. They were both weak arguments; why not just vote Meeko again (or look elsewhere)? The other days you voted for Meeko there were between 1 and 3 votes for him, not enough to put him in lynch danger there either or sway the vote. I think I've gone through Suburban Plankton's posts a couple of times in the past thinking that he seemed a good scum candidate but I finished up thinking there was nothing there. This case makes me wonder again. So what makes it worth a vote Today, but not yesterDay...besides the fact that you're in danger of being lynched Today?
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 15:17:30 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 13, 2012 15:17:30 GMT -5
For the record, I still think Suburban is scum. Richbeckman posted my case from yesterday above. Now we have additional evidence of the Cathi vote: cathi's reason to not vote off another SCUM??? Thoughts? [/size][/quote] I think this is quite telling. At this point the vote was 5-5-4, tied between Suburban and Cathi, ( Suits in 3rd place) and the last 3 votes were for Cathi. Momentum is building against her and she's in danger of being lynched. Cathi knew Suburban's alignment. If he's Town - why not make a self-preserving vote against him? Why instead state with certainty that she will *not* be voting for him? If he's scum - Cathi doesn't want to bus him, she thinks, better me than him. ( Cathi probably wanted out of the game anyway). Instead, she tries to re-focus attention on richbeckman, possibly hoping to get guiri (who is one of the most vocal against her) back on his case and take some of the heat off of her. I think this adds to the case for Suburban being scum. [/quote] Then Suburban offers this analysis Today: (snipped) Well... yes. I think you're both scum. Annetastic and Hal are confirmed Town, so that leaves Dizzy and Supermel. The converse is also true - if you flip scum, then we have to consider why they did not move their vote to either of the lynch leaders... because there was no non-scum choice? True, if you flip Town then we will have to answer for our vote, but I think it is justifiable. Next we have Suburban's explanation of Cathi's failure to make a self-preserving vote: (snipped) She's trying to portray herself as "just a normal person, trying to play the game the honorable way" in hopes that the bandwagon on her might turn around. And indeed, 13 posts later I was in the lead, so it almost worked. The other reason that I think she didn't change her vote is that there was no reasonable way she could vote for me at that point without it coming off as absolutely nothing but a self-preservation vote, which wasn't likely to engender support for her, plus I was voting for wombat so as far as she was concerned I could have easily come in and countered a self-preservation vote with one of my own. [/quote] If you're Town, by voting for you she can possibly swing the vote your way and get a Townie lynched (very good for scum); and, yes, possibly she attracts a little more suspicion. That's hardly any downside. Her explanation about voting for emotional reasons just sounds completely made up. So, Suburban is my leading lynch candidate at the moment. I see the case on Richbeckman as well, and Ginger, your response to LadyRogue kinda sounds like you've been caught. I'm assuming Hal will be here to reveal the confirmed Townies and I will vote after that. I'm guessing that he has investigated at least one of these three.[/quote] It is basically responding to her wanting me to prove that it was a typo versus a scum slip and really there is only one way to do that, and right now I am not willing to sacrifice another town life to prove a mistake, BUT having said that, it is my job as a vanilla townie to stick my neck out there to maybe gather responses... There is nothing more that a scum would love is a slip like that. Just saying...
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 15:21:55 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 13, 2012 15:21:55 GMT -5
Ok, that did not work. Sorry!
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 15:41:29 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 13, 2012 15:41:29 GMT -5
Improperly formatted quotes are a Scum tell.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 15:52:04 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 13, 2012 15:52:04 GMT -5
1. There are 5 confirmeds alive right now (not counting the people Hal hasn't revealed yet): Hal, Silverjan, me, Guiri, and annetastic. 2. Scum is looking for me (as in me the doctor, not me Archangel). 3. They know Hal and Silverjan aren't the doctor. 4. I'm 75% sure they tried to kill Guiri last night and failed because I protected him. 5. That leaves me and Annetastic toNight. 6. I could have kept quiet but if I kept quiet I'd have to protect myself (because I'm more likely to be a target tonight under the circumstances where I keep quiet than Hal) and then Hal would likely die without getting a chance to reveal his other two investigations. How. EXACTLY. Do you Arrive at 75% ?
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 16:02:29 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 13, 2012 16:02:29 GMT -5
That was my first instinct too Colby but after thinking about for a while, I am more of the opinion that Archangel should self protect, at least that way we have one Townie that scum cannot ever get rid of. I would favour that over one more reveal from Hal. I totally understand why Archangel claimed now, she must have been worried every Night after she had been confirmed that she would have been NK'd and then scum would be aware that they had killed the doc and then it would be safe to kill Hal. I would definitely be happier with a Townie that cannot die than one more investigation. Hal has done a fantastic job in this game and I don't want to lose him, it's just that I am trying to be practical here. @ Suburban, why do you think that Story is the Mod in this game? I have looked at Cathi's post about not voting for Suburban and it's just given me a lot more WIFOM. As a newbie scum she might not have wanted to vote for him, on the other hand she could have been coached by scum to say that so that Suburban looked scummy? I also looked at the post where Suburban said he would forgive me for my vote on him yesterday, was it scum trying to snuggle a bit or Town just telling me that I am being silly again? I really don't know what to do about it. I can see the case on RichBeckman, at first I thought he came across as really confidant and now he is playing the newbie card. As a newbie scum that would be quite easy to do because you will listen to your scum buddies and you know who is Town so your posts can be confidant because you are making it all up. Later on in the game you do have to account for yourself and that's when he plays the newbie card. Vote RichBeckmanBUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter. unvote suburbanvote JBG If this is not a slip, I'm not sure anything is.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 16:26:37 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 13, 2012 16:26:37 GMT -5
BUT, if Archangel is the only town alive at the end and there are two scums, we lose anyways. I understand the point of keep one alive, but if town out numbers us anyways it won't matter. unvote suburbanvote JBG If this is not a slip, I'm not sure anything is. You know what, I think you could be right. I will back you up on this, after reading that post a few times today, it just doesn't sit right. Unvote
Vote JBG
I don't get it that you would rather 2 Townies were killed in 2 Nights consecutively than have a known Townie alive and kicking to the end? This does not sit well with me.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 16:40:49 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 13, 2012 16:40:49 GMT -5
Improperly formatted quotes are a Scum tell. Seriously... just wow... I really hope you are joking on this one.
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Day 11
Jul 13, 2012 16:43:47 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Jul 13, 2012 16:43:47 GMT -5
unvote suburbanvote JBG If this is not a slip, I'm not sure anything is. You know what, I think you could be right. I will back you up on this, after reading that post a few times today, it just doesn't sit right. Unvote
Vote JBG
I don't get it that you would rather 2 Townies were killed in 2 Nights consecutively than have a known Townie alive and kicking to the end? This does not sit well with me. I was saying that at the END Of the game it will not matter if there is one living townie if there are 2 living scum. Scum win... Maybe I am seeing it wrong I don't know.
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