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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 9:54:14 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 23, 2012 9:54:14 GMT -5
Thanks Hal for all you've done sorry they got you last night Ok townies do we vote for Starrirain or Amykb? I will be gone all day tomorrow tis my grandson's birthday but will check back in the late evening This post bothers me. The presumption here is that one or the other (or possibly both) are Scum, and we shouldn't trouble ourselves looking anywhere else because our only valid targets are right here...so let's just choose from one of these two options and be done with things nice and quick. I must be missing the vote for Amykb, but do find it interesting that she was the first to vote to Star Why would it be "interesting"? You said yourself that our choice today was starrirain or amykb; what makes it so 'interesting' that one of them should vote for the other? It seems perfectly logical to me.
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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 10:02:27 GMT -5
Post by michelehunter on Jul 23, 2012 10:02:27 GMT -5
Thanks Hal for all you've done sorry they got you last night Ok townies do we vote for Starrirain or Amykb? I will be gone all day tomorrow tis my grandson's birthday but will check back in the late evening This post bothers me. The presumption here is that one or the other (or possibly both) are Scum, and we shouldn't trouble ourselves looking anywhere else because our only valid targets are right here...so let's just choose from one of these two options and be done with things nice and quick. They were both under a lot of suspicion in the last couple of days and it can bother you all you want I'm not asking you to presume anything just stating that is where my vote is going on one of the two of them I must be missing the vote for Amykb, but do find it interesting that she was the first to vote to Star Why would it be "interesting"? You said yourself that our choice today was starrirain or amykb; what makes it so 'interesting' that one of them should vote for the other? It seems perfectly logical to me. ROFLOL that's why I find it interesting, as well as the fact that neither of them showed up last night to post any ideas or comments Welcome back Hal
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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 10:18:02 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jul 23, 2012 10:18:02 GMT -5
OoooOOoooooOOOOOooooo....back from the dead! How spoooOOOOooooOOOOoooooky... And in an entirely shocking move, let me starting with... Vote starrirain
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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 10:22:00 GMT -5
Post by michelehunter on Jul 23, 2012 10:22:00 GMT -5
Suburban Plankton was bothers me more is you are one of the CONFIRMED town and didn't even notice Rich said if Star was scum he'd be "surprised" (that is not the wording, but I am too lazy to go find it) before he was outed, so yes that is where my vote it going
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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 10:49:23 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 23, 2012 10:49:23 GMT -5
Suburban Plankton was bothers me more is you are one of the CONFIRMED town and didn't even notice Rich said if Star was scum he'd be "surprised" (that is not the wording, but I am too lazy to go find it) before he was outed, so yes that is where my vote it going I believe the post you're referring to is this one: Really, Wombat? You're going with Starrirain? Starrirain has to rank as the most aggressively pro Town player in this game. I just read through her posts, and the only evidence of Scum I could find is: <snip> I died and came back Vanilla if anyone is curious (the subbing makes mah brain melt trying to keep up with) so I totally get others' confusion there. Old me was only around for D1 and new me came back in D3. Which would qualify as an unforced claim, which may or may not be evidence of Scum. Against that you have a solid record of aggressively hunting Scum. Coached? She shows as much or more of her work than anyone else here. That's some hellacious coaching. If Starrirain is Scum... then I. GIVE. UP. Of course richbeckman was Scum, so he knew whether or not starrirain is Scum when he posted that. And there's no way for us to tell starrirain's alignment from that post. Scum correctly 'defend' Townies all the time. Scum also frequently falsely accuse Townies of being Scum, and falsely defend Scum as Town. And they accuse other Scum of being Scum almost as often. My point is: you can't trust anything that richbeckman said. It really doesn't matter if he said it before he was outed or after. Yes, I had the timing wrong, but that doesn't actually change anything. You voted for amykb as early as Day 9. You voted for amykb yesterDay. You said last Night: Good point about Dizzy, though she doesn't concern me now, what bothers me is what Rick said about Starrirain being town was that a way to make us vote for her. I still leaning towards Amykb would a two way tie be any better? thoughts? which seems to indicate that you're wondering if richbeckman was trying to set up starrirain, and you explicitly state that amykb is your first choice. So why aren't you voting for amykb Today?
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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 11:14:06 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 23, 2012 11:14:06 GMT -5
ATTENTION: HAL BRISTON IS NOW SUBBING IN FOR TOTAL ULLA. Hrrm. unh hur. Total Ulla, as played by Hal Briston. And still voting for Starrirain.
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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 12:17:42 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jul 23, 2012 12:17:42 GMT -5
Total Ulla, as played by Hal Briston. And still voting for Starrirain. Umm...yeeees? I know I'm not a detective any longer, but I was still quite clear about my starrirain suspicions. Old me never got a chance to investigate her, so I'm not working with any ill-gotten knowledge. So why shouldn't I be voting for her? I can't say what it was that cause Ulla to drop, but whatever it was, I don't see how it effects this vote.
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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 13:14:40 GMT -5
Post by LadyRogue-II on Jul 23, 2012 13:14:40 GMT -5
Vote Starrirain
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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 13:41:05 GMT -5
Post by phoenixphyre on Jul 23, 2012 13:41:05 GMT -5
question...and if this was answered previously I am sorry, but I cannot find it now. Could Ulla be SCUM, and would that now make Hal SCUM? Again I have been looking back to see comments about people subbing for others, and cannot find anything to address this. Not that it is not there, it's that I cannot find it.
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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 13:42:20 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Jul 23, 2012 13:42:20 GMT -5
~ snipped~ PINGS. Thats Pings with a capital PINGS. ~snipped~ You're accusing me of PIS regarding Starrirain; it's not PIS - I'm just pretty darn sure that she's scum. (99% sure... which is still not 100%... therefore I'd like confirmation of that via a lynch and mod reveal before carrying on with the train of thought that she bussed AmyKB and Colby also. And how else do we get that confirmation?)
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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 14:39:52 GMT -5
Post by Hal Briston on Jul 23, 2012 14:39:52 GMT -5
question...and if this was answered previously I am sorry, but I cannot find it now. Could Ulla be SCUM, and would that now make Hal SCUM? Again I have been looking back to see comments about people subbing for others, and cannot find anything to address this. Not that it is not there, it's that I cannot find it. Yes, had Ulla (aka Total Lost) been scum, then I, having taken her place, would now be scum. I know that if she had been scum, I wouldn't be coming out and saying so anyway, but she wasn't (if I recall, that detective guy who was killed last Night once made a case about how it was very unlikely she was scum, which is why he didn't investigate her)
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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 16:34:52 GMT -5
Post by cassipietz on Jul 23, 2012 16:34:52 GMT -5
<snipped> As for Amykb I have not really looked into her posts but will be doing later ... also I have not noticed a lot of posts from patricia - Cassipiets or total ulla lately either. nope not much as per my usual this game (my first) I mostly read and read and wait for something to really stand out to me...when that has happened I have posted about it This game is long and although I have summers off it is now less than one month til school starts back up which leads to me being in my classroom more and forgetting about this game more. I am trying...that is the best I can do... I see the cases against both the players that are on the block and while either one looks good to me I am going to go with vote starrirain
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Post by crys on Jul 23, 2012 20:09:04 GMT -5
I'm perfectally comfortable voting for either. I was just stating an alternate theory. I don't have any reason not to vote starrain except I am posting from my phone and don't know the tags well enough to do so
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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 21:16:10 GMT -5
Post by patricia on Jul 23, 2012 21:16:10 GMT -5
Hal Welcome back!
Still out of town but wanted to jump on and vote -
Vote Starrirain
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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 22:26:16 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 23, 2012 22:26:16 GMT -5
~ snipped~ PINGS. Thats Pings with a capital PINGS. ~snipped~ You're accusing me of PIS regarding Starrirain; it's not PIS - I'm just pretty darn sure that she's scum. (99% sure... which is still not 100%... therefore I'd like confirmation of that via a lynch and mod reveal before carrying on with the train of thought that she bussed AmyKB and Colby also. And how else do we get that confirmation?) How did she buss me? All she said was that she had a ping about me, I answered her back regarding said ping, and I haven't heard anything since regarding me, period. And that was 3 days ago
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Day 13
Jul 23, 2012 23:02:08 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 23, 2012 23:02:08 GMT -5
NETA: But first things first, let's make sure Starrirain is scum first. You're accusing me of PIS regarding Starrirain; it's not PIS - I'm just pretty darn sure that she's scum. SNIP And how else do we get that confirmation?)
This is my exact point. How else does Town know someone's alignment before a Mod Reveal? If you were scum, this would be a First thing First, and not a Last thing Last. Why state that it needs to be a first thing first, in the first place?
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 0:05:20 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 24, 2012 0:05:20 GMT -5
I am not altogether comfortable with the votes on Starrirain but I am not sure whether it was because she made a good case against Amykb, which I agreed with or because she was Town in her first incarnation or that so many people are voting for her now just because Hal is voting for her. Just because Hal thinks she's scum doesn't make it a fact and with a lot of players voting just to back up Hal , well, it's a great place for scum to hide. Scum don't even have to make a case against Starrirain, they can just say it was because they trusted Hal but he didn't (doesn't) have any more insight than the rest of Town.
If Star is scum then I would take the case against Amy with a pinch of salt but if she is Town then it's a really good case.
Wombat is pushing for Star's lynch too and we don't know her alignment since she was resurrected either.
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 6:37:36 GMT -5
Post by annetastic on Jul 24, 2012 6:37:36 GMT -5
welcome back Hal and I hope you don't turn out to be scum in that dress lol
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 7:16:02 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 24, 2012 7:16:02 GMT -5
Silver Jan I completely agree with you. I've never been all that on the Starrirain case. It seems like a lot of "me too's" Especially from the inactives that aren't reading and just voting so they don't seem to be missing. I don't know if it's much better to just vote for voting sake. That doesn't help Town in the least bit.
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 7:32:07 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Jul 24, 2012 7:32:07 GMT -5
Starrirain - 10 votes (Amykb, Annetastic, Meeko, wombat99, michelehunter, supermel, Hal Briston, LadyRogue, Cassiepietz, patricia) Amykb - 1 vote (dizzymrslizzy)
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 9:39:33 GMT -5
Post by michelehunter on Jul 24, 2012 9:39:33 GMT -5
I am not altogether comfortable with the votes on Starrirain but I am not sure whether it was because she made a good case against Amykb, which I agreed with or because she was Town in her first incarnation or that so many people are voting for her now just because Hal is voting for her. Just because Hal thinks she's scum doesn't make it a fact and with a lot of players voting just to back up Hal , well, it's a great place for scum to hide. Scum don't even have to make a case against Starrirain, they can just say it was because they trusted Hal but he didn't (doesn't) have any more insight than the rest of Town. If Star is scum then I would take the case against Amy with a pinch of salt but if she is Town then it's a really good case. Wombat is pushing for Star's lynch too and we don't know her alignment since she was resurrected either. That is not true at all I'm voting for her due to Rich's comment about her not being scum before he was outed by Hal, Really, Wombat? You're going with Starrirain? Starrirain has to rank as the most aggressively pro Town player in this game. I just read through her posts, and the only evidence of Scum I could find is: <snip> I died and came back Vanilla if anyone is curious (the subbing makes mah brain melt trying to keep up with) so I totally get others' confusion there. Old me was only around for D1 and new me came back in D3. Which would qualify as an unforced claim, which may or may not be evidence of Scum. Against that you have a solid record of aggressively hunting Scum. Coached? She shows as much or more of her work than anyone else here. That's some hellacious coaching. If Starrirain is Scum... then I. GIVE. UP.
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 12:42:01 GMT -5
Post by AmyKay on Jul 24, 2012 12:42:01 GMT -5
Wrong post Updated list- Day 13 5. Suburban Plankton- town by Hal 14. phoenixphyre 19. supermel 24. annetastic-town by Hal 27. Silver Jan- mason 28. Meeko 29. AmyKB 33. Total Ulla 34. Crys 36. Wombat99 37. Dizzymrslizzy 40. cassipietz 45. Colby11 48. Michelehunter 50. LadyRogue 51. Starrirain 56. Suits101 58. Patricia Players left- 17 just wanted to make a small correction, Colby. I count 18 players on that list of living folks. I doubt that helps with the math that some veterans were looking at, but still worth noting. [and Hal2 is now in position 33.]
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 13:39:45 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 24, 2012 13:39:45 GMT -5
Wrong post Updated list- Day 13 5. Suburban Plankton- town by Hal 14. phoenixphyre 19. supermel 24. annetastic-town by Hal 27. Silver Jan- mason 28. Meeko 29. AmyKB 33. Total Ulla 34. Crys 36. Wombat99 37. Dizzymrslizzy 40. cassipietz 45. Colby11 48. Michelehunter 50. LadyRogue 51. Starrirain 56. Suits101 58. Patricia Players left- 17 just wanted to make a small correction, Colby. I count 18 players on that list of living folks. I doubt that helps with the math that some veterans were looking at, but still worth noting. [and Hal2 is now in position 33.] Apparently I can't count anymore.....
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 15:35:34 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 15:35:34 GMT -5
Of course, we could lynch amykb toDay, and if I am wrong you can lynch me toMorrow. Looks like at least half of you who voted for me would be fine going either way you've said in your own words.
It's not like I've been going around smudging people. I've tried to explain myself the best I can.
The case on me continues to be crap.
I really don't know if any of you have bothered to try and get a read on most of the unconfirmed, but I know that if I get mislynched toDay, then Town will be down 3 more players toMorrow. Quite a few unconfiremd players are adding little or nothing at all lately, and you guys want to take out someone who has only been proved helpful at this point?
This group is so backward.
Follow the cop from beyond the grave? More than one person is voting for me toDay because Hal was suspicious yesterday. Do any of you who voted for this reason have any of your own thoughts to add?
Has the group thought of what to do when I flip Town? It looks like most of you are relying on me being scum, and you will be sorely disappointed.
What happens after you mislynch me? Are you putting any thought in that direction?
This whole Day has been built around the theory that I am scum, but what happened the the case on amykb ?? She had 6 votes yesterDay before the reveal. I had 3 votes, so this tells me that people thought her case was stronger than mine yesterDay. What has changed that?
I understand most of you want me lynched toDay, but WHY!!?? GOOD reasons before my flip should be posted, because whoever survives the Night will need them toMorrow.
Alignment aside, I have tried to catch people who I think are scum, and I have even backed up several people I felt confident enough were Town. So either I am Town just being helpful as I say, or I am scum being helpful. How is my lynch more beneficial for Town at this point?
vote amykb [/color]
If you are all so sure I am scum, we should in the least spend the Day planning what to do next. Take what I say at face value til my flip, and think about the future. The game continues to be a struggle for Town at this pace.
I think there are at least 11 or 12 scum total(who knows, maybe more. 10 Seems too round a number in a Game with 60ish(I can't remember the exact number) players. So by the time you mislynch me, lose 2 Town tonight, lynch amykb, lose at least one Town tomorrow Night, that leaves 10 or less players, with one or 2 scum left(possibly more). Have you begun to pick through the unconfirmed pile? It is not pretty, I assure you. I will guess it won't be long before we are down to only unconfirmed players alltogether.
I will try to get more leans and thoughts out, but alas I've been sick for the better part of a week so I've really only made it through about half of the unconfirmed players for now.
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 15:52:52 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 15:52:52 GMT -5
well, I vote StarrirainI’m guessing at this point that she has nobody left to bus, and I was just a good candidate to try convincing others of because of my mistake on Colby2 back on Day 5. After that, she made those WOW posts to pick apart just about every action I’ve made (and yet calls me the one who is always smudging others). I’m tired of getting dragged through the mud and having to spend all of my play time defending myself instead of working on scum hunting. Maybe she’s about the only one left, which will make finding her accomplices that much harder, but with Hal gone and no definite answers anymore, I’m not willing to take the risk of letting her live. If she's been so dead-on ever since her reincarnation, why haven't the Scum killed her? I can't stop asking that question... If she flips Scum, I imagine you all will lynch me tomorrow anyway, assuming she's been bussing me. If she flips Town, then please give me some more consideration, because if the Scum are still taking out two people a Night, we don't have that much more time. No one left to buss? You scum sure wish that were the case. YEP! I said you smudged a LOT of folks, but we can't prove my theory until you flip. Where have I been smudging players? The 'case' on me is built around me being 'too right', not smudging innocent Townies. If you can find a smudge I have made, please do point that out for the group. Are we supposed to feel pity because you're 'I’m tired of getting dragged through the mud and having to spend all of my play time defending myself instead of working on scum hunting.' ? Somehow, even with people making cases on me and constantly defending myself, I have still found the time to hunt scum. I see you never came back with your thoughts on rich's posts as you claimed you would yesterDay, and also completely ignored my last questions to you yesterDay as well. 'I’m not willing to take the risk of letting her live.' This is a huge risk for you scum if I stay alive, more time for me to find your remaining buddies. I feel like rich must have been curious if I was a Cop, why else would scum need spoilers? 'If she's been so dead-on ever since her reincarnation, why haven't the Scum killed her? I can't stop asking that question...' Obviously, power roles and confirmed players are higher value targets for scum. Besides, they were hoping this Day would come for everyone to do their work for them. 'If she flips Scum, I imagine you all will lynch me tomorrow anyway, assuming she's been bussing me. If she flips Town, then please give me some more consideration, because if the Scum are still taking out two people a Night, we don't have that much more time.' Ok, that last one is just...are you begging for your life? Can't take the time to hunt scum or defend your scummy actions, but there's time to beg for your scummy life. I DO hope Town will give you more consideration, as the scum I think you are.
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 16:01:57 GMT -5
Post by AmyKay on Jul 24, 2012 16:01:57 GMT -5
I know that if I get mislynched toDay, then Town will be down 3 more players toMorrow. So by the time you mislynch me, lose 2 Town tonight, lynch amykb, lose at least one Town tomorrow Night, that leaves 10 or less players, with one or 2 scum left(possibly more). snipped. starrirain, you "know" that Town will be down 3 more players tomorrow but figure that we'll only lose 1 or more player tomorrow Night? what changes tomorrow Night that potentially gives Scum one less kill?
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 16:13:15 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 16:13:15 GMT -5
I know that if I get mislynched toDay, then Town will be down 3 more players toMorrow. So by the time you mislynch me, lose 2 Town tonight, lynch amykb, lose at least one Town tomorrow Night, that leaves 10 or less players, with one or 2 scum left(possibly more). snipped. starrirain, you "know" that Town will be down 3 more players tomorrow but figure that we'll only lose 1 or more player tomorrow Night? what changes tomorrow Night that potentially gives Scum one less kill? Putting words in my mouth, yet again! Yes, if I am mislynched, we will be down 3 Town tomorrow because we won't lynch any scum and their NK's will be less likely to decrease. If we lynch your scummy butt toMorrow, then there is a possibility the kills may decrease, leaving AT LEAST ONE NK for the next Night. Nice try though. Anything else you need me to answer? I have been very open to answering your questions and correcting things you've misconstrued, but you just are tired of defending yourself. This is SO one sided. Don't I wish I could just ignore you all? I really want Town to win though, so I persevere through my frustration.
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 16:16:37 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 16:16:37 GMT -5
Or if 10 people vote for end of Day. The math of this makes me wonder if I wasn't dead on..... That there are 10 scum in this game, and that we only have one scum left. But the 'math' already has no science, Idle has said previously when asked about this by guiri . No method. I just choose a random number...but to be fair, I've been thinking the number needed to end Day (in the past) has been too little and been meaning to make it more (like, almost to the point where everyone but, say, one or two people has to vote it for it to happen). So I raised it a bit again. NETA : Obviously, if each scum had 2 night kills...... the game would more than likely already have been over. I think that perhaps, each instance of a Night Kill has been doubled. Regardless I still think we are at one scum left. Vote StarrirainWe owe it to Hal. You owe it to old Hal ? Hal v2 is around to speak for himself. I think you owe it to Town to think/speak for yourself. Maybe I just expect too much from you older players? Where is the thought process? Things like this are going to leave us not much to go on toMorrow. I liked your theory on Ullz form yesterDay much better than your 'owe it to Hal' vote toDay.
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 16:21:57 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 16:21:57 GMT -5
Or there are 2 scum left amykb and starrain. Working together to gain the other town cred Sent from my SCH-I405 using ProBoards I'm not seeing how we're working together to gain Town credit. Maybe you didn't read my case on amykb yesterDay? I am continuing to call her out, so how is that earning her Town credit? You really can't see her scummy behavior, even after my thorough explanation and her retaliation(or lack there of)? I'm perfectally comfortable voting for either. I was just stating an alternate theory. I don't have any reason not to vote starrain except I am posting from my phone and don't know the tags well enough to do so Sent from my SCH-I405 using ProBoards Ok, but have you any reasons TO vote for me? If you need to vote via phone, tage go as follows: [ b][ /b] content in between and space before and after content. You will need to remove the spaces I left in the tags so they would be visible.
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Day 13
Jul 24, 2012 16:32:08 GMT -5
Post by starrirain on Jul 24, 2012 16:32:08 GMT -5
-bleached- Or there are 2 scum left amykb and starrain. Working together to gain the other town cred Sent from my SCH-I405 using ProBoards They are both suspects Crys and have been for a few days now I'm fine with either one Vote Starrirain I am leaving Friday for a 2 week vacation but will have some internet access. Ok, so nice that you are fine with either one of us. No preference? Just ride it out? For DAYS you suspected amykb , but chose to place your vote on me, with very little content for the group. I'd be so grateful if everyone could all share their thoughts on us both, and any others before EoD. My mislynch seems pretty imminent at this point, so it will help Town toMorrow to have this kind of insight in case scum think my wagon is a good place to hide.
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