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Post by Pollux Oil on Sept 24, 2012 12:42:29 GMT -5
As the Day comes to a close, there's a loud screech over the microphones, signifying for all the mafia-ites to stop talking. Pollux appears on the screen in front of them, shuffling papers again.
"Hello, hello! It seems your first Day under Gastard watch is over! Did everybody have fun? Hm? No? Ah, well, I tried." He shuffles papers and looks down at them. "So recap of the day, eh? Well, it seems we had this Pleonast guy claiming he's an..what's this? An Anti-Lurker? Weird. And then later this mahaloth guy claims he's Arthur Dent. Hooo boy, like I haven't heard that one before. That seemed to dominate most of the discussion today, until the end where this KidVermicious person claimed he'd won the mercenary bid and begged for his life."
Pollux looks up from his papers. "Mahaloth, could you step forward please?" Mahaloth squeals in fright, turning to run, but the rest of the group manhandles him forward until he's standing in front of Pollux's screen. Pollux leans in close, as if examining him through the screen, then he leans back and smiles. "Okay, toodles everyone! See you at Dawn!" The screen went black with a soft boop.
The crowd milled about, with mahaloth standing in front of them. They were confused and disoriented.
"What do we do now?" "Are we supposed to kill him ourselves?" "How's this work exactly?"
And then, out of nowhere, stomping through the crowd was a large, beast of a hulk of a man. Bare-chested and rippling muscles, he towered over the rest of the group, with a black hood covering his face and a large axe resting on his shoulder. The group parted, letting the mysterious man through, until he stopped in front of mahaloth.
Mahaloth whimpered.
The large, hooded man leaned down, sniffing once at mahaloth. "It is you." The man's voice boomed in bold.
Mahaloth whimpered again. "Are you going to kill me with that axe?"
"No." The executioner said. "That's old-school. We have technology at our fingertips now. More fun." With that, the hooded figure picked up mahaloth and tossed him over his shoulder. He strode through the crowd again, towards the airlock at the other end of the ship. Excited for murder, the rest of the group followed.
The executioner tossed mahaloth into the airlock and pressed a button. The doors hissed closed, trapping mahaloth. "Warning! Airlock vent in ten seconds!" Klaxons blared, lights flashed. Mahaloth pounded on the door. "Bugger me!" He yelled. "I just wanted to be-"
The airlock opened. With a whoosh, mahaloth was gone.
The airlock closed again. The blast doors opened and the crowd gathered in the airlock to see what was left of mahaloth. Only three items remained: a towel, a book of Vogon poetry, and a crudely designed cardboard sign that reads "TOWN 4 HIRE."
After examining the objects, the group turned to identify the mysterious hooded man, but he had already disappeared. Who was he? Was he just an illusion sent by the Gastards? Another mystery for the pile as the group headed back to their rooms for the evening.
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Mahaloth, aka Arthur Dent, (Nonhostile Third-Party One-Shot Killer) is dead. Hopefully he can hitch a new ride.
Night One begins now.
Bidding for the Mercenary for Night Two is open!
Night One will end Wednesday, at 1 PM EST/EDT/whatever.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Sept 24, 2012 12:57:45 GMT -5
**NOTE FOR EVERYONE**
Anyone sending in Night Actions, please label them as such. I've been getting a lot of PMs with questions of the nature of the game, so I'd like to be able to easily distinguish actions from questions.
Similarly, if you are bidding on The Mercenary, please title your PM as such for easy bookkeeping.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 24, 2012 12:57:57 GMT -5
Hmph.
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Post by Parzival on Sept 24, 2012 12:58:58 GMT -5
Mahaloth, aka Arthur Dent, (Nonhostile Third-Party One-Shot Killer) is dead. Hopefully he can hitch a new ride. That seems really highly improbable. Okay, at the end I realized that if I'm the only one out here ranting about someone being possible scum, it's unfair to town if they have all voted the way they want. I believe in democracy. It was too late in the day to have that discussion. But I'd like to have it now if we could. KidV's high bid for mercenary was an anti-Town move. Assuming it was not a lie, it required there to be at least 13 votes for someone else, and even if that does happen 'often' on Day 1, there was no reason to push it to that. And we still don't even know what side he's on. I don't mind saving the KidV particulars for later, but I think we should discuss the bidding/voting process. I have to say I'm not liking the mercenary so far; is there anything we can do about that?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 24, 2012 13:07:35 GMT -5
Well that sets the bar as a pretty wet noodle for parsing alleged PMs for authenticity. Sorry, Mahaloth
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Sept 24, 2012 13:08:34 GMT -5
i dream of a day that players here would stop lynching 3rd party out of fear that s/he might be PFK (hostile). despite this culture, Mahaloth claimed 3rd party. that should have given players pause but it didn't. i still don't understand why KidV would bid 12 votes for the merc. assuming he's scum, i don't think he can rely on his teammates to save him. did he expect Pleo to be lynched because we invariably lynch 3rd parties? or perhaps he has a power that could have helped him. i'm thinking the former. not proof he's scum but it makes him very opportunistic. please don't tell me that at least we didn't lynch town. with the lack of voting for non-3rd party, we'll likely hit town on D2. of course we can always lynch Pleo.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 24, 2012 13:09:04 GMT -5
Although I still don't really get why he claimed.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Sept 24, 2012 13:11:39 GMT -5
Although I still don't really get why he claimed. given that he was truthful about his alignment, his explanation about wanting to be town would likely have been truthful.
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Post by Colby11 on Sept 24, 2012 13:12:25 GMT -5
Of course, I miss EOD....
I think KidV's mercenary bid is a little on the extreme side... Makes me a little nervous to be honest.....
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Post by Colby11 on Sept 24, 2012 13:13:11 GMT -5
I am guessing that Mahaloth's claim was completely truthful, or at least mostly truthful
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 24, 2012 13:17:25 GMT -5
Although I still don't really get why he claimed. given that he was truthful about his alignment, his explanation about wanting to be town would likely have been truthful. I realize that. I just don't see yet what he felt the rest of us could bring to the table. I mean, he saw what sort of attention Pleo was getting and claimed anyway. Did he think it was a fluke and someone would happily acquiesce to his request? He had a pretty good chance of finding town if he just visited at random Tonight.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 24, 2012 13:18:07 GMT -5
Mahaloth, aka Arthur Dent, (Nonhostile Third-Party One-Shot Killer) is dead. Hopefully he can hitch a new ride. That seems really highly improbable. Okay, at the end I realized that if I'm the only one out here ranting about someone being possible scum, it's unfair to town if they have all voted the way they want. I believe in democracy. It was too late in the day to have that discussion. But I'd like to have it now if we could. KidV's high bid for mercenary was an anti-Town move. Assuming it was not a lie, it required there to be at least 13 votes for someone else, and even if that does happen 'often' on Day 1, there was no reason to push it to that. And we still don't even know what side he's on. I don't mind saving the KidV particulars for later, but I think we should discuss the bidding/voting process. I have to say I'm not liking the mercenary so far; is there anything we can do about that? Figure out who the Mercenary is and kill them? I don't know how we'd do that. We could try and rig the bid, but that leaves Town open to all sorts of scummy trickery and requires a trusted Town player that we don't have yet. Besides, I'm not convinced the Merc himself is anti-town. Consider that Town outnumbers Scum, so there's roughly that ratio in odds that a Town player will control the Merc on any given Night (with perhaps a slight nod to Scum if they're willing to bid higher thinking their buddies will save them. If I were scum, I wouldn't allow myself to think such a thing until quite late in the game). And even if Scum do get the Merc, then they have to do something with him, and anything that Scum do generates data, and data is information. That's the job of Town, to aquire and process data - anything that makes that easier is pro-Town as far as I'm concerned. FWIW, I agree that my bid was probably too high. In hindsight, it appears that I could have kept my mouth shut and been ok, so I'd blame that on my poor play as opposed to the Merc mechanic itself.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 24, 2012 13:33:49 GMT -5
I guess Kid What made you bid such a crazy high number for the Merc. It seems to have been to such an extreme end that it really does make you look bad.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 24, 2012 13:38:55 GMT -5
I've said, I didn't think it was a drastically high bid at the time. I didn't expect to be competing with two bandwagons (Pleo and Mahaloth) - I think if one of them hadn't claimed, I wouldn't have had to do what I did.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 24, 2012 14:02:16 GMT -5
Well, that's unfortunate. Sorry, Maha.
Final treatment was done today, so I'll have more time and (hopefully) brain cells for the rest of the game...
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 24, 2012 14:36:07 GMT -5
Yay for final treatments.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 24, 2012 14:47:54 GMT -5
Hope you are on the mends soon Sister.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 24, 2012 14:58:35 GMT -5
The assumption is that the final vote count in the count thread is correct. correct?
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 24, 2012 15:14:38 GMT -5
I guess Kid What made you bid such a crazy high number for the Merc. It seems to have been to such an extreme end that it really does make you look bad. Disagree. Shows he has less to lose than, say, a mafioso. Worth it for town to snatch that particular power away from the hostiles, and given we should have a large numbers advantage here, KidV took a risk that is especially beneficial to town. And he took a serious risk. I disagree that the first day is usually a large wagon, by a wagon so large anyway; but I am not from here. From D1- I think it's beyond absurd to call that a tell. Hitler had a mustache. Lynch him, he was a Nazi, sure... but having a mustache is not a Nazi tell. It's not a tell just because it correlated one time, or even two times. How many times did it NOT correlate? When that number overwhelms the times that the "tell" worked, it's not a tell. Correlation does not imply causation. Personally, I think everything that was labeled a tell in my last game is iffy at best. Clearly, in Mafia "tell" does not mean a sure thing. Information is so lacking that any small thing can mean something. Skimming is a tell? Maybe, but then it might be a Town who simply does not have time to read 23 pages. Defensiveness is a tell? Or maybe a real life personality trait. Third one on a bandwagon? Are you kidding me? This is why the game is hard. There are few true tells. Us simpletons (or is it just me?) have to work off of what little we (I?) understand. I looked for things that actually correlated, once. I looked over a hundred mafia games and noted who was scum in each of them, and then cataloged their behavior. I have a database on my old computer, which isn't working very well anymore, that cites the number of times a scumbag does a certain thing. This takes into account how mafia generally behave similarly even considering widely different personalities, and find the common link. Stuff like third on the wagon might correlate for a few games, but once scum become aware that it happened to be a lucky tell for a few games, they'll avoid doing it. Then it actually becomes a townie tell for a while, as scum avoid the usual tell. More likely, a townie does it because they're not scum and aren't thinking about the supposed risk of being third. The pendulum eventually swings back the other way, when it becomes safe again to be third on the wagon. What I did find scum like to do, just as an example; 1) Make posts which contain a lot of non-controversial or inconclusive commentary, to make it seem like they're engaged in the game, but without the risk of offending persons they're accusing. Also difficult to be caught in a lie when you're saying nothing of consequence or speculating without reaching conclusions. 2) Jokes and lighthearted banter, which are more fun to read and make people like you more, as opposed to wrong accusations which are serious, that townies MUST generate in order to lynch scum, which are less fun to read and make people like you less. 3) Defending someone else. Scum know this is low risk. Townies shouldn't expend too much time doing this because they usually have no evidence the other person is innocent and it's very counterproductive to defend scum. It's shooting oneself in the foot. 4) Posting more smiley faces than usual (Substitution for emotions, which scumbags want to play upon when lying, so as a psychological tic, they end up posting more smileys than usual). I chalked this up to correlation not causation but they kept doing it. 5) Not talking to their partner in public, yet acting in wordless concert. (Linkage) 6) Talking to their partner, briefly, not all game long. (mild distancing) 7) Not ever voting for their partner (Linkage) 8) Voting for their partner in late round situations where it is unlikely that their partner will die (distancing, not even bussing to me) 9) Wanting to be the first to vote for their partner, so it doesn't look like bussing. Rare are the cases where they are second or third to vote for their partner, except when there's another large wagon or there's a lot of candidates with several votes so switching looks natural. 10) Apologizing or making excuses for being inactive, whereas townies generally just go inactive and come back without explanation. It's called guilty conscience 11) Lurking intentionally. Townies generally post something every round and make an attempt to vote. I consider it missing a round if your vote and comments do not arrive soon enough to affect the outcome of a round. Just because the game moderator did not rule the round over, if the outcome is decided, you lurked, and missed the round. If this is intentional, you are scum to a degree of 90%. 12) Feigning total inactivity (play dead). Some of these are difficult to tell from townie behavior until late game, when the patterns begin to emerge. After I posted my list of tells, I threw them out for several games because I knew the scums would do the opposite for a while.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 24, 2012 15:25:12 GMT -5
From D1- Vote: MahalothThat sort of thing makes my already skeptical opinion of you go south. Odds are still low that you're a scumbag overall, since it's D1, but much better than KidV IMO Care to explain that? If he's telling the truth, then he has to save himself from the lynch or he loses. It's about the only way he does lose. If he's lying, he's lying. About all we can tell is that he's almost certainly not town [yet]. He's not officially town, which makes me value him less than KidV, who claimed town and is acting town to a degree of near-certainty to my perspective. Which is contrasting from the past several games. And I know that he was town there. So maybe my radar is fuzzy, however: I contend that the risk he took and the specific amount of votes that he gave himself, is too much for a scum gambit. Maybe a scum would want to get the powers, but suppose it got himself lynched early? I doubt his team would be down with all that. Basically, when Mahaloth was voting for someone I had marked down in solid blue, and admitted he wasn't town, he became extremely disposable to me. I would have preferred to lynch a scum, and I tried and failed to get any heat on someone I felt was actually scummy. I kept my vote off of Mahaloth until he made himself more trouble than he was worth. A one-shot vigilante who could become townie is more of a liability than an actual townie who is behaving like an actual townie. And: [THIS IS NOT ME CLAIMING MASON WITH KIDV BY NOT CLAIMING MASON WITH KIDV] [HEY BILLMC THIS IS NOT A CLAIM DONT SAY IT IS FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY OMFG]
Disclaimers out of the way, after last game. And by the way, this is all BillMc's fault.
THIS IS NOT A CLAIM YOU WHORES
Keeping someone alive that you think is townie is a good move.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 24, 2012 15:37:03 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more scummy the KidVermicious bid looks to me. We have to accept that he made the high bid since no counter-claim. And for now accept the number (don't think he'd lie about that regardless of alignment). But we're going with just his say, even though he we don't know his alignment, that we should go on what he says. I realize that maybe most people are actually voting Mahaloth because they want to, not to 'save' KidV, but I don't think Mahaloth is scum. Such a high bid, essentially 'forcing' us to bandwagon on someone else and letting scum hide there, while gaining control of the merc, seems enough like a scummy ploy to me to: vote KidVermicious And obviously, strongly disagree with the above statement, the risk/reward is wrong and scumbags gambling that townies will save them is a bad gamble. How about not subjecting yourself to death in the first place? Also, I like scumbags that risk their balls getting chopped off day one. I would like to encourage more of that kind of dumbass behavior so it blows up in their face. Can't tell yet if I simply disagree with Parzival's fundamental take on mafia strategy or if I find him to be pulling BS out of thin air. Odds are simple disagreement but I find his statement here and his vote completely contrary to good townie play. My eye is watching him now, though.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 24, 2012 15:38:55 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more scummy the KidVermicious bid looks to me. We have to accept that he made the high bid since no counter-claim. And for now accept the number (don't think he'd lie about that regardless of alignment). But we're going with just his say, even though he we don't know his alignment, that we should go on what he says. I realize that maybe most people are actually voting Mahaloth because they want to, not to 'save' KidV, but I don't think Mahaloth is scum. Such a high bid, essentially 'forcing' us to bandwagon on someone else and letting scum hide there, while gaining control of the merc, seems enough like a scummy ploy to me to: vote KidVermicious You really think that I placed a high bid for the purpose of forcing a bandwagon? That I knew there would be a faceoff with another player, and I would risk that faceoff and losing a member of the scum team AND the merc action to do it? Instead of, you know, keeping my mouth shut and letting my team save me? That makes no sense, Parz. Please unvote me. Not making sense is a townie specialty. It's why I can't even say he's scummy, just.... odd. Maybe the oddness will turn into scummy. Only time will tell.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 24, 2012 15:41:56 GMT -5
By placing a high bid, KidV, you had to know you might end up asking us to bandwagon another player. It's an anti-town move, since there's apparently no other way to keep you alive. Am I 100% sure you're scum? no. I realize it's a risk, and it's kind of crazy if only three people end up actually causing a lynch Day 1. The claim that it is anti-town is questionable in itself, but allow me to remind all: Anti-town is not necessarily not town, or scum. We have had players yakk their asses off, accuse all the wrong players on wrongheaded nonsense, defend scumbags, and generally make asses of themselves and make people want to leave the game in disgust, both town and mafia alike, and the player in question was town. Townies doing things that are bad for town and wrongheaded is a matter of course. There will be several doing that in every single stinking round. Now if everyone is sick of me waxing poetic about mafia theory, I'll go back to babbling like an insane cretin and active lurking. Mwa-ha-ha.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 24, 2012 15:42:44 GMT -5
Can't tell yet if I simply disagree with Parzival's fundamental take on mafia strategy or if I find him to be pulling BS out of thin air. Odds are simple disagreement but I find his statement here and his vote completely contrary to good townie play. In fairness, he did back off that vote when he realized he was acting contrary to Town votes. I made the same argument when I was trying to keep Peeker and his penalty votes from getting the shaft in the last Conspiracy - I think it was a pro-Town argument then, and I think it was a pro-Town move by Parz as well (my own ass in a sling notwithstanding).
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 24, 2012 15:44:59 GMT -5
Pizzaguy, are you familiar with the Three Kingdoms game? How do you feel about shoes?
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 24, 2012 15:48:32 GMT -5
I guess Kid What made you bid such a crazy high number for the Merc. It seems to have been to such an extreme end that it really does make you look bad. My mafia senses and/or confirmation bias is tingling for mrslizzy. @ KidV- Three Kingdoms? Nope.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 24, 2012 15:50:38 GMT -5
I just realized I quoted the same damn post when I started my rant.
Re-reading it made me tingle again. I can't help it if mrslizzy makes me tingle.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 24, 2012 15:52:28 GMT -5
Can't tell yet if I simply disagree with Parzival's fundamental take on mafia strategy or if I find him to be pulling BS out of thin air. Odds are simple disagreement but I find his statement here and his vote completely contrary to good townie play. In fairness, he did back off that vote when he realized he was acting contrary to Town votes. *shrug* how is that different from a mafia realizing he's gone out on too far a limb to make you look scummy, and got timid and beat a very brave retreat?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 24, 2012 16:24:14 GMT -5
Well that sets the bar as a pretty wet noodle for parsing alleged PMs for authenticity. Only if we conclude that Mahaloth was completely forthcoming with his PM. He picked up most, if not all, of his votes because people thought his PM as quoted sounded like it had been edited. The fact that his role reveal was as claimed does not necessarily mean everything else he told us was gospel truth. It's quite possible that he could be recruited by Scum, but edited that out in order to appear less potentially harmful and thus make him a less attractive lynch target...and that strategy backfired. Only time (and the end of the game) will tell.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Sept 24, 2012 16:24:37 GMT -5
Three kingdoms was multifaction with three groups. Each group was strong against one clan and weak against the other. Talking about your powers was verboten. One of the players, roosh, maybe started talking about how he hated shoes which was code that as healer(?maybe?) he was ineffective against members of the Shu clan. It didn't work and he lost his power. Do you hate shoes is a common question to ask when you think someone may be breadcrumbing.
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