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Post by Meeko on Sept 26, 2012 23:18:45 GMT -5
What was Peeker's hostile/non-hostile designation? [/color][/quote] Here, have a bunny. [/quote] But what alignment is the bunny? Can we vote the bunny?
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Post by Meeko on Sept 26, 2012 23:24:59 GMT -5
And NO I do not have a post req to mention Fish or shit you people! Was kinda noticing a fish fetish...
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 26, 2012 23:33:35 GMT -5
True, but I don't buy it. Not one bit. If it was the role, I would accept it more... As the name, I don't think so... Why? Trying to read the Mod's mind doesn't have the best track record.
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Post by Parzival on Sept 26, 2012 23:43:57 GMT -5
What do we know from peeker's death? There is at least one killing side, and they killed him. I don't doubt that other killers exist in this game, but what happened to them is beyond our knowledge.
As to why, it's hard to know, but he did demonstrate an apparent (and mod-confirmed) ability Yesterday. He also had reason/restriction not to talk about it.
One thing from the Night, on KidV: I already said this Yesterday, but KidV's reveal of the merc PM was almost certainly a response to slipping over the kill ability and being pressured by guiri over it. That's not scum nor town in itself*, but I just wanted to point out that it did not seem freely volunteered.
*It is pro-town in that it reveals information (if we can trust it), but if he was scum ducking the noose it's null.
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Post by KidVermicious on Sept 26, 2012 23:47:35 GMT -5
Can you point to your original post, Parz? I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 26, 2012 23:53:35 GMT -5
Cool! I will have to look through your channel. Maybe it will help me understand your posts better. It will probably take a couple of days to get to it. I suggest Electronicwaffle on A.D.D. One of my better ones. And well it will probably be the only video you need to understand me. It occurs to me (thankfully before I have watched more than the one and I really was not paying attention to that).... Is there anyplace over there where you discuss mafia games in any capacity? [green]Pollux, am I breaking any rules by viewing his videos?[/green]
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Post by Meeko on Sept 26, 2012 23:59:13 GMT -5
I suggest Electronicwaffle on A.D.D. One of my better ones. And well it will probably be the only video you need to understand me. It occurs to me (thankfully before I have watched more than the one and I really was not paying attention to that).... Is there anyplace over there where you discuss mafia games in any capacity? [green]Pollux, am I breaking any rules by viewing his videos?[/green] The audition for agt was my last video. That video was made like....... 3 to 4 months ago.
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Post by Parzival on Sept 27, 2012 0:33:13 GMT -5
Can you point to your original post, Parz? I have no idea what you're talking about. It was earlier in the discussion, as part of another post. Here's a snipped portion: The question is whether I think you're scum otherwise. You did reveal the merc tiers, which seems a pro-town play. On the other hand it seems that might have only happened because of your previous mention of 'more than kill'. (As an aside, I don't find the 'killing people' line problematic. To me it seems more like a glib early-game statement. A bit too on-the-nose for scum; if it's a scum or other killing role, it's only a tell by double fakery.) So no vote yet, but I'm going to be looking closely at KidVermicious. [/size][/quote] Your original posting of the PM was 1.601, and you say you're responding to guiri's other questions by giving information "as a demonstration of good faith". One of his questions involved the 'he can do more than kill' line. But he also asked generally about the merc's abilities. Actually, I'd like to hear your explanation. Were you actually responding to that point specifically?
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 27, 2012 2:15:49 GMT -5
I'm stating categorically that focusing on third parties is a waste of time unless they're hostile.
It's entirely possible the game is town versus hostile third parties and nonhostile third parties. It would be an unusual setup, but really, it would just make the hostiles more like serial killers in terms of alignment. How can you be third party if there is no second party?
But if the game is a standard town V mafia setup, focusing on eliminating third parties because they're not town defeats the purpose.
Town wins when it lynches scum. Town cannot lynch scum while it lynches town or third party. Therefore, lynching third parties removes town's only real weapon against the scum.
Not to mention sometimes in games where town and neutrals exist in great numbers, town's more powerful roles are among the neutrals. Killing them wipes out town's best weapon. Granted they could be used against town, if the third party in question had some particular grudge against the town. But let's not forget that town roles and townies in general can be used against town merely by acting against one another's interests.
Bottom line: Attacking neutrals who dare to claim, unless you have reason to believe they're actually hostile and thus non-neutral, is anti-town.
That is like people from the USA attacking Canadians because they're not from the States, instead of killing members of Al-Qaeda. You might get the satisfaction of crushing Canadians, but the terrorists will keep bombing you. It's essentially xenophobic and stupid behavior.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 27, 2012 2:21:52 GMT -5
Also, a note arrived in my mailbox:
"There is a role in the game which complements the town vigilante".
There's further information, but I prefer not to divulge all of it at this time.
But I will choose to say this: The town vigilante will have reason to be less hesitant to fire at will.
Also, if you try to force further information out of me, I will go to my death keeping it a secret. I'll reveal what I will when I will, unless there's a pressing need.
Why? Because it's my role so my choices are guided by information only I have. Please don't second guess me on this unless you believe I am hostile.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 27, 2012 6:16:52 GMT -5
My possible targets last Night were JustBeingGinger (0 posts), BillMc (6 posts), gnarlycharlie (9 posts), storyteller0910 (10 posts), Red Skeezix (10 posts), Sister Coyote (10 posts). So that we can see how they all react to being a possible investigation target, I won't reveal my result until ToNight. Why toNight? why not toDay? why not toMorrow? ..because its a carrot that gets you closer to your day 3 wincon?
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Post by Meeko on Sept 27, 2012 7:11:38 GMT -5
Also, a note arrived in my mailbox: "There is a role in the game which complements the town vigilante". There's further information, but I prefer not to divulge all of it at this time. But I will choose to say this: The town vigilante will have reason to be less hesitant to fire at will. Also, if you try to force further information out of me, I will go to my death keeping it a secret. I'll reveal what I will when I will, unless there's a pressing need. Why? Because it's my role so my choices are guided by information only I have. Please don't second guess me on this unless you believe I am hostile. Bold added. I was going to ask what prompted the note to arrive in your mailbox. (Was this actually done in game per color and abilities, or did Pollux send pizza a pm as a simple outside looking in, question about the game?) I'm not asking for further information, asking for clarification. You are no better than Pleonast here; trust me, but don't ask me why. You said "town vigilante" ..... I"m not asking. But it seems odd to distinguish a Town vig here...I"m not asking you if there are other vigs. Cause well you asked not to ask. It is kinda magic bag with a side of magic bag. Ok so it's your role a d your choices. .... Why pull strictly worse than a Pleonast here, and claim less than he did? You are taking all the marbles, and have also taken those from Pleonast as well. If I could vote you instead of Pleonast I would..... Oh wait. VOTE PIZZAFunny that you are very coherent here, all of a sudden. A little too funny. And yes funny is probably not the right word here.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 27, 2012 7:16:23 GMT -5
[OOG]Holy Crap, 4 pages in a couple of hours? I haven't read anything yet as I was offline for the Jewish holidays. Off to read and try to figure out what happened last Night?[/OOG]
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 27, 2012 7:25:36 GMT -5
The description of his body and the number of reallys in the purple text put me in mind of a nexus ability. How does Peeker's death have anything to do with a nexus ability (if I'm understanding it correctly)? Wouldn't he have been able to redirect the kill then?
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Post by wombat99 on Sept 27, 2012 7:27:03 GMT -5
I would really like to know what a Third-Party Serial Annoyer is. I'm thinking it's like a weak serial killer. Maybe he had to annoy someone to death over multiple Nights.
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Post by crys on Sept 27, 2012 7:29:56 GMT -5
Man, three pages already and everyone is still posting about the same things. I not sure I believe the whole pleo role post - but I'm pretty sure he is 3rd party and not scum therefore, should we leave him be for now and see if we can hunt up a scum or two? I still feel that colby11 was acting scummy when he came down on me in day 1 for posting a math problem and talking about being new. This is my 2nd game and most of the talk about passed games is all over my head and the roles is this game are well colorful for sure. As for the math problem (and I wish I knew how to do the quote boxes everyone is using) what i said was to the effect of - this game is as insane as the math problems my son was asking for help with at the time maybe my vote on colby was knee jerk - but I still feel it was scummy on his part and I may vote for him today as well. As for others - should we not look at ginger as a good choice for lynch? she has yet to post once in this game and it is my understanding that non players are bad for town either if they turn out to be town or scum? Colby was note the only one that mentioned your name as possible scum. Why are you so focused on him. I feel a tad bit of over defensiveness. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by wombat99 on Sept 27, 2012 7:31:53 GMT -5
Did anyone else stub their toe on the door this morning? I did not.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 27, 2012 7:35:08 GMT -5
Okay, now that I'm caught up..... I'm sorry to add to the confusion, but I think we have a much bigger problems then Pleo and his random wincon/lie.
So last night I was infected with a virus. *sigh* I don't know what that means for me, but I don't like the sound of it at all!
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Post by Meeko on Sept 27, 2012 7:39:34 GMT -5
I would really like to know what a Third-Party Serial Annoyer is. I'm thinking it's like a weak serial killer. Maybe he had to annoy someone to death over multiple Nights. How does one annoy someone to death, multiple times? " I'll kill you until you die! " ??
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 27, 2012 8:18:13 GMT -5
What is going on here? <snip> Did anyone else stub their toe on the door this morning? <snip> Did anyone else stub their toe on the door this morning? Not I, said the little brown coyote. Did anyone else stub their toe on the door this morning? I did not.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 27, 2012 8:29:15 GMT -5
Suburban Plankton answered the toe stub question, also. Did anyone else stub their toe on the door this morning? I dropped a hammer on my toe a couple of weekends ago, but it's feeling much better now. And if you're referring to 'in-game' toes...no. As far as I'm aware I am in perfect health.
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Post by wombat99 on Sept 27, 2012 8:52:36 GMT -5
I'm thinking it's like a weak serial killer. Maybe he had to annoy someone to death over multiple Nights. How does one annoy someone to death, multiple times? " I'll kill you until you die! " ?? I meant that maybe he had to annoy someone multiple times to finally kill them.
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Post by wombat99 on Sept 27, 2012 9:00:46 GMT -5
Okay, now that I'm caught up..... I'm sorry to add to the confusion, but I think we have a much bigger problems then Pleo and his random wincon/lie. So last night I was infected with a virus. *sigh* I don't know what that means for me, but I don't like the sound of it at all! I did not contract a virus or stub my toe, but my mental stability is in danger.
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Post by Silver Jan on Sept 27, 2012 9:24:29 GMT -5
I played the vanilla game where the only twist was that one of Town had a virus although the player didn't know it. Dizzy says that she has been infected so that sounds like more of a Mad Bomber type role to me. Place X amount of bombs and you win the game, though in this case it's a virus. Thoughts anyone.
I do see how the deaths of 3rd Parties could perhaps hinder Town but I'm not totally convinced of that. The way things stand now Town hasn't actually lost anyone and that's surely a good thing.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 27, 2012 9:24:50 GMT -5
<snip> I did not contract a virus or stub my toe, but my mental stability is in danger. Is this just humor, or did you get a PM telling you your mental stability is in danger?
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Post by Silver Jan on Sept 27, 2012 9:39:26 GMT -5
<snip> I did not contract a virus or stub my toe, but my mental stability is in danger. Is this just humor, or did you get a PM telling you your mental stability is in danger? I was going to ask the same thing but I then decided it was humour. Maybe it pays not to overlook anything in this game.
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 27, 2012 9:53:19 GMT -5
My possible targets last Night were JustBeingGinger (0 posts), BillMc (6 posts), gnarlycharlie (9 posts), storyteller0910 (10 posts), Red Skeezix (10 posts), Sister Coyote (10 posts). So that we can see how they all react to being a possible investigation target, I won't reveal my result until ToNight. Why toNight? why not toDay? why not toMorrow? ..because its a carrot that gets you closer to your day 3 wincon? Did you read the second sentence in the post you quoted? So that we can see how they all react to being a possible investigation target, I won't reveal my result until ToNight.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 27, 2012 9:53:28 GMT -5
I'm thinking it's like a weak serial killer. Maybe he had to annoy someone to death over multiple Nights. How does one annoy someone to death, multiple times? " I'll kill you until you die! " ?? As I recall, the original 'Serial Annoyer' was in the Scooby Doo game, and they were essentially a Serial Killer. They 'annoyed' people into leaving the game. If peeker's role was the same (which is by no means certain), then I would consider him Hostile. Since the Mod has declined to provide his Designation, I wonder if he didn't have one at the time he was killed. I recall a prior game in which there was a Third Party with a Night Kill who was of uncertain alignment to start the game; if their first kill was a Townie they became Scum, and if their first kill was a Scum they became Town. I wonder if peeker's role was similar in that his designation, and possibly his Alignment, depended on who he 'annoyed' first. guiri posted asking if anyone else stubbed their toe. I assumed that meant he had received a PM this morning saying something to the effect of "Good news for you: you're not dead. Bad news: you stubbed your toe on the door", and wanted to know if anyone else received a similar message. I didn't, and said so; I assume the others who replied did so for the same reason. It appears that there may be a variety of Night (or possibly Day) actions in this game which are either non-immediate (like the infection of dizzymrslizzy), or which have visible side-effects (like guiri's stubbed toe), which generate a PM to the affected player. It's generally considered to be in the Town's vest interest to announce when you receive one of these "mysterious PMs", because they are generally indicative of a Power somewhere in the game. Only by exposing the pattern behind them can we hope to figure out the source and hope to mitigate any danger they might present. I agree with whoever said this, but Peeker coming up as Annoyer does help with Pleonast's claim. I didn't understand this when Meeko said it, and I still don't understand it when Colby repeats it. Can someone please explain, using very small words, how peeker's role reveal makes Pleonast's claim more likely to be true?
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Post by guiri on Sept 27, 2012 9:55:37 GMT -5
Now I understand what nexus means. I'm guessing there's a role similar to the Generic Homicidal Maniac one. I got a PM this morning telling me I'd been cursed. The color referred to stubbing my toe in the door, and I wondered if I was the only one.It's not a virus, a virus may indicate that someone has an antidote. I can only guess that a blessing could remove a curse.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 27, 2012 10:12:30 GMT -5
Okay, now that I'm caught up..... I'm sorry to add to the confusion, but I think we have a much bigger problems then Pleo and his random wincon/lie. So last night I was infected with a virus. *sigh* I don't know what that means for me, but I don't like the sound of it at all! I did not contract a virus or stub my toe, but my mental stability is in danger. I'm either very impressed or very suspicious that you (seemingly) so easily understood Guiri's toe stub comment.
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