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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 27, 2012 10:13:15 GMT -5
I did not receive any PMs that I stubbed any of my toes or acquired any curses or viral infections.
I had originally assumed the toe-stubbing had happened IRL, so if I could make a suggestion to be explicit about PMs received from the Mod unless you feel inclined to use super sly breadcrumbs for such things. Just know that super-sly breadcrumbs can result in people thinking that you actually stubbed your toe.
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Post by wombat99 on Sept 27, 2012 10:33:26 GMT -5
I agree with whoever said this, but Peeker coming up as Annoyer does help with Pleonast's claim. I didn't understand this when Meeko said it, and I still don't understand it when Colby repeats it. Can someone please explain, using very small words, how peeker's role reveal makes Pleonast's claim more likely to be true? Meeko is speculating that since peeker (the player) is annoying, he was given the Serial Annoyer role; and Pleo (the player) is against lurking, therefore was given the Anti-Lurker role. Since lurking was an issue in Pleo's Conspiracy 6 game, which finished up right before this one started (and Pollux played in it), I guess there might be something to that but it feels like a very stretchy stretch. [I don't find peeker annoying, I'm just translating. ]
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 27, 2012 10:34:36 GMT -5
Pleo, I see that I am on your list. I knew I would be, because I was undergoing radiation and couldnt' fully participate in the game (choice between game and my health: game loses). But what alignment is the bunny? Can we vote the bunny? IANTM, but when I voted the bunny yesterday it did not appear to count. I was going to ask what prompted the note to arrive in your mailbox. (Was this actually done in game per color and abilities, or did Pollux send pizza a pm as a simple outside looking in, question about the game?) Or someone has the ability as part of their role to send messages to individuals with game-related information. Or pizza's a madman. Or all of the above. How does Peeker's death have anything to do with a nexus ability (if I'm understanding it correctly)? Wouldn't he have been able to redirect the kill then? It seems most likely to me that if there was a nexus ability (which seems more likely to me than many/all of the killers deciding to take peeks out, YMMV) it was someone else using it on peeker rather than peeker using it on himself. So last night I was infected with a virus. *sigh* I don't know what that means for me, but I don't like the sound of it at all! I played the vanilla game where the only twist was that one of Town had a virus although the player didn't know it. Dizzy says that she has been infected so that sounds like more of a Mad Bomber type role to me. Place X amount of bombs and you win the game, though in this case it's a virus. Thoughts anyone. In Alpha Centauri, I believe the Scum could also infect people. It's possible Dizzy has been "pre-recruited" or something, too. That said, horses, not zebras, so probably a mad bomber. guiri posted asking if anyone else stubbed their toe. I assumed that meant he had received a PM this morning saying something to the effect of "Good news for you: you're not dead. Bad news: you stubbed your toe on the door", and wanted to know if anyone else received a similar message. I didn't, and said so; I assume the others who replied did so for the same reason. Curses, guiri said. Interesting. But yes, this was my reason for replying. If there was a nexus ability, it appears to have only applied to kills, not all Night actions, if those of you reporting effects this morning are to be believed. I did not contract a virus or stub my toe, but my mental stability is in danger.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 27, 2012 10:36:42 GMT -5
Oh skeptical smiley, why do you thwart me so?
Also:
vote: Meeko because I don't like your votes on pizza or pleo; they seem too easy to me.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 27, 2012 10:41:23 GMT -5
I didn't understand this when Meeko said it, and I still don't understand it when Colby repeats it. Can someone please explain, using very small words, how peeker's role reveal makes Pleonast's claim more likely to be true? NO. I don't think roles were given out like that. Too much work for the mod. Chalk it up to coincidence and bad luck peeler got the role he did. I already covered this. Did you want to add your own take on this? Go ahead, say what you want to say here, but don't say I said things I didn't, and have said the opposite of. On iPod. Meeko is speculating that since peeker (the player) is annoying, he was given the Serial Annoyer role; and Pleo (the player) is against lurking, therefore was given the Anti-Lurker role. Since lurking was an issue in Pleo's Conspiracy 6 game, which finished up right before this one started (and Pollux played in it), I guess there might be something to that but it feels like a very stretchy stretch. [I don't find peeker annoying, I'm just translating. ]
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Post by Meeko on Sept 27, 2012 10:44:59 GMT -5
Oh skeptical smiley, why do you thwart me so? Also: vote: Meeko because I don't like your votes on pizza or pleo; they seem too easy to me. you speak of "easy" votes. What the he'll is yours on me then? Pleonast remains anti town in role and in play style. Pizza has uber magic bagged and is channeling pleonasts play more than pleonast is. And has. On iPod... Still
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 27, 2012 10:57:16 GMT -5
Pleonast remains anti town in role and in play style. What does that have to do with being hostile? Pizza has uber magic bagged and is channeling pleonasts play more than pleonast is. And has. Again, what does that have to do with being hostile? Town needs to lynch hostile players. Not players who take a different approach. Not players who give some information, but not all they have.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 27, 2012 11:10:56 GMT -5
Hey Meeko
I refer you to my post where I said you'll get precisely zero additional information through threats.
Go rummage through someone else's garbage can. This one is empty.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 27, 2012 11:12:32 GMT -5
I only agree that pleo's play is anti-Town in the sense that we're STILL TALKING ABOUT HIM on Day Two. Which isn't actually pleo's doing.
Do we have to decide what to do with him on Day Three? Yes, of course. Could he be hostile instead of non-hostile? Yes, of course. All of this has been pounded to death over Day One.
And pizza isn't magic bagging so much as saying "this is what I was told". We can trust that or not as we are inclined; you all know my levels of paranoia but I'm still getting a Townie read on Pizza and cookies and not so much on Meeko.
Also, Meeko, your focus on there being no Scum could be read as a magic bag of your own. Something you want to tell us?
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Sept 27, 2012 11:13:41 GMT -5
Oh, and Meeko:
Non-hostile third parties are non-hostile. Non-hostile is not anti-town.
You're again confusing Canada for Iran. Good luck with all that.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 27, 2012 11:19:47 GMT -5
I only agree that pleo's play is anti-Town in the sense that we're STILL TALKING ABOUT HIM on Day Two. Which isn't actually pleo's doing. Do we have to decide what to do with him on Day Three? Yes, of course. Could he be hostile instead of non-hostile? Yes, of course. All of this has been pounded to death over Day One. And pizza isn't magic bagging so much as saying "this is what I was told". We can trust that or not as we are inclined; you all know my levels of paranoia but I'm still getting a Townie read on Pizza and cookies and not so much on Meeko. Also, Meeko, your focus on there being no Scum could be read as a magic bag of your own. Something you want to tell us? You got me. I'm not scum. Not sure what you are after here. Seems like it must be trash day. My can is empty as well.
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Post by LightFoot on Sept 27, 2012 11:21:27 GMT -5
Post 117 Suburban Plankton wrote Post 118 Is the first time guiri mentions a door The wording is eerily similar? Did he just " guess" there was a door involved?
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Post by Meeko on Sept 27, 2012 11:22:05 GMT -5
Pleonast remains anti town in role and in play style. What does that have to do with being hostile? Pizza has uber magic bagged and is channeling pleonasts play more than pleonast is. And has. Again, what does that have to do with being hostile? Town needs to lynch hostile players. Not players who take a different approach. Not players who give some information, but not all they have. I reject the premise, you have not been confirmed one way or the other on hostile-ness, or on anything else, for that matter.
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 27, 2012 11:27:15 GMT -5
What does that have to do with being hostile? Again, what does that have to do with being hostile? Town needs to lynch hostile players. Not players who take a different approach. Not players who give some information, but not all they have. I reject the premise, you have not been confirmed one way or the other on hostile-ness, or on anything else, for that matter. We're not talking about me, we're talking about your votes. Are you going to make a case for why the players you're voting for are hostile?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 27, 2012 11:31:53 GMT -5
Did anyone else stub their toe on the door this morning?
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Post by LightFoot on Sept 27, 2012 11:37:23 GMT -5
Did anyone else stub their toe on the door this morning? I missed it the first time ...... Nevermind........ And for the record I did not recieve any curses/viruses/stubbings/other during the Night
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Post by Meeko on Sept 27, 2012 11:55:29 GMT -5
I reject the premise, you have not been confirmed one way or the other on hostile-ness, or on anything else, for that matter. We're not talking about me, we're talking about your votes. Are you going to make a case for why the players you're voting for are hostile? Are you saying that they are? As a wise man once said against similar charges; "Those are your words." I've given the reasons for my current votes twice already. I was of the assumption that was more than sufficient. If I needed to vote based on the reasons you want me to make them on, I wouldn't be playing the game, you would be playing through me. Undoubtedly you would not vote for yourself. I am suspicious as to why you don't want me to vote for you. I am suspicious as to why you want me to look elsewhere.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 27, 2012 11:56:12 GMT -5
That is like people from the USA attacking Canadians because they're not from the States, instead of killing members of Al-Qaeda. You might get the satisfaction of crushing Canadians, but the terrorists will keep bombing you. It's essentially xenophobic and stupid behavior. <snipped> Pizza Thank you for this explanation, because this issue finally DOES make sense to me after that. I wasn't looking at 3rd parties like that. Of course the only 3rd party I've ever faced was a serial killer, who ironically shot down Scum in the scenerio I played in....but at the same time seems dangerous in my head. I was thinking of Pleo's role similarly. Seems innocent since all he's going to do is spam, and investigation lurkers, but at the same time, I was sure that his PM wasn't 100% complete and he had a hostile component that we don't know about. That's ALL I was saying yesterDay.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 27, 2012 11:59:40 GMT -5
Pollux silently mouths 'help me' to the group before continuing, still smiling. What do you think this means? Do you think we need to do something to really save Pollux
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 27, 2012 12:13:08 GMT -5
I've given the reasons for my current votes twice already. I was of the assumption that was more than sufficient. If I needed to vote based on the reasons you want me to make them on, I wouldn't be playing the game, you would be playing through me. Undoubtedly you would not vote for yourself. And your reasons have nothing to do with the town's victory condition: to eliminate all hostile players. Town doesn't win by lynching players who do this: Pleonast is not asking us to trust him, and the he goes and gives us multiple things to trust him on. VOTE PLEONASTor this: I was going to ask what prompted the note to arrive in your mailbox. (Was this actually done in game per color and abilities, or did Pollux send pizza a pm as a simple outside looking in, question about the game?) I'm not asking for further information, asking for clarification. You are no better than Pleonast here; trust me, but don't ask me why. You said "town vigilante" ..... I"m not asking. But it seems odd to distinguish a Town vig here...I"m not asking you if there are other vigs. Cause well you asked not to ask. It is kinda magic bag with a side of magic bag. Ok so it's your role a d your choices. .... Why pull strictly worse than a Pleonast here, and claim less than he did? You are taking all the marbles, and have also taken those from Pleonast as well. If I could vote you instead of Pleonast I would..... Oh wait. VOTE PIZZAFunny that you are very coherent here, all of a sudden. A little too funny. And yes funny is probably not the right word here. You're not voting for players because you think they're hostile; you're voting for them for other reasons. You refuse to make a case about why you think those players are hostile. I can only conclude you're not voting to further the town's win conditions. vote Meeko for voting for players without making a case for why they are hostile.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 27, 2012 12:22:57 GMT -5
::: clears his throat ::: Again, I wonder if we have scum in this game. Just thinking out loud......So if we didn't have Scum how do we win the game? Take out the Hostile 3rd Parties? Dang that would make for one confusing mess, but would make sense with all of the 3rd parties cropping up!
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Post by crys on Sept 27, 2012 12:29:38 GMT -5
::: clears his throat ::: Again, I wonder if we have scum in this game. Just thinking out loud......So if we didn't have Scum how do we win the game? Take out the Hostile 3rd Parties? Dang that would make for one confusing mess, but would make sense with all of the 3rd parties cropping up! Maybe we would have to get rid of all the third parties period. I really don't know this game gets more mysterios every day Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 27, 2012 12:40:40 GMT -5
Hey Meeko I refer you to my post where I said you'll get precisely zero additional information through threats. Go rummage through someone else's garbage can. This one is empty. What if I were to offer you a cookie? And you don't even need to come over to the Dark Side, I promise
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 27, 2012 12:41:49 GMT -5
I did not contract a virus or stub my toe, but my mental stability is in danger. I'm either very impressed or very suspicious that you (seemingly) so easily understood Guiri's toe stub comment. What was so difficult to understand about guiri's comment? Do you think that everyone who replied to him is communicating in some sort of 'toe-stub code' or something?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Sept 27, 2012 12:47:40 GMT -5
::: clears his throat ::: Again, I wonder if we have scum in this game. Just thinking out loud......So if we didn't have Scum how do we win the game? Take out the Hostile 3rd Parties? Dang that would make for one confusing mess, but would make sense with all of the 3rd parties cropping up! The Sample Hostile Win Condition supplied in the rules thread reads: "You are town. You win when all hostile non-town players have been eliminated." For sake of the wincon, Scum == Hostile Third Party. So if there were no Scum, then we would need to eliminate all of the Hostile Third Party players, yes.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Sept 27, 2012 12:54:25 GMT -5
I'm either very impressed or very suspicious that you (seemingly) so easily understood Guiri's toe stub comment. What was so difficult to understand about guiri's comment? Do you think that everyone who replied to him is communicating in some sort of 'toe-stub code' or something? I had no idea what it meant. This is just my second game. It is also Wombat's second game. There were, to my knowledge, no PMs beyond the first one, in the first game. Wombat has shown she is very good at Mafia, but I still find it impressive that she seemed to understand the stubbed toe comment just like that. Of course, maybe she did not understand it and took it as humor and was responding at that level. Or maybe she understood it because she got a pm that referenced it in some way but she is unwilling to go public with it.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 27, 2012 13:47:34 GMT -5
Rich,
1) This isn't Wombat's second rodeo as far as I'm aware. 2) The Mod usually PMs investigative power roles, so although you weren't aware of any PMs beyond the first one in your first game they were undoubtedly happening.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 27, 2012 13:58:18 GMT -5
I've given the reasons for my current votes twice already. I was of the assumption that was more than sufficient. If I needed to vote based on the reasons you want me to make them on, I wouldn't be playing the game, you would be playing through me. Undoubtedly you would not vote for yourself. And your reasons have nothing to do with the town's victory condition: to eliminate all hostile players. Town doesn't win by lynching players who do this: or this: I was going to ask what prompted the note to arrive in your mailbox. (Was this actually done in game per color and abilities, or did Pollux send pizza a pm as a simple outside looking in, question about the game?) I'm not asking for further information, asking for clarification. You are no better than Pleonast here; trust me, but don't ask me why. You said "town vigilante" ..... I"m not asking. But it seems odd to distinguish a Town vig here...I"m not asking you if there are other vigs. Cause well you asked not to ask. It is kinda magic bag with a side of magic bag. Ok so it's your role a d your choices. .... Why pull strictly worse than a Pleonast here, and claim less than he did? You are taking all the marbles, and have also taken those from Pleonast as well. If I could vote you instead of Pleonast I would..... Oh wait. VOTE PIZZAFunny that you are very coherent here, all of a sudden. A little too funny. And yes funny is probably not the right word here. You're not voting for players because you think they're hostile; you're voting for them for other reasons. You refuse to make a case about why you think those players are hostile. I can only conclude you're not voting to further the town's win conditions. vote Meeko for voting for players without making a case for why they are hostile. Your rhetoric sure sounds hostile. You are not playing this game, are you Pleonast? You are not confirmed. It does not matter in the least what you are claiming to be. You can not act ex cathedra and assert I bow to you.Filter everything Pleonast says through everyone else he has said. Take him at his word then, that he is third party, then re-read his attacks on me. He has no authority. The attacks fall flat. His reasons are smoke and mirrors. If they are hostile, why do I need to make a case for it?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 27, 2012 13:59:07 GMT -5
Not to mention that by the time you get to the bottom of page 1 of this Day 2 thread, two other players had already responded regarding 'game-related' toes, so Wombat didn't suddenly make that connection out of the blue on page 4.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 27, 2012 14:00:36 GMT -5
Just thinking out loud......So if we didn't have Scum how do we win the game? Take out the Hostile 3rd Parties? Dang that would make for one confusing mess, but would make sense with all of the 3rd parties cropping up! The Sample Hostile Win Condition supplied in the rules thread reads: "You are town. You win when all hostile non-town players have been eliminated." For sake of the wincon, Scum == Hostile Third Party. So if there were no Scum, then we would need to eliminate all of the Hostile Third Party players, yes. Calling a horse's tail a leg does not make it a leg.
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