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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 3, 2012 14:42:03 GMT -5
It's relative. Should scum have a detective and they target a townie, they would get a result of Hostile because the town's wincon necessarily precludes the scum's and vice versa for a town detective and a scum target. If either a town or scum detective targets a Third Party player, someone whose goals are not in conflict with town and scum, will be designated non-hostile.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 3, 2012 14:51:02 GMT -5
It's relative. Should scum have a detective and they target a townie, they would get a result of Hostile because the town's wincon necessarily precludes the scum's and vice versa for a town detective and a scum target. If either a town or scum detective targets a Third Party player, someone whose goals are not in conflict with town and scum, will be designated non-hostile. So let me get this straight, so if I am hostile and a scum detective targets me, they will get the result of hostile, because being town I am hostile towards scum? Do I have that right?
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 14:59:34 GMT -5
Good point. But then they would be marking themselves as Scum in doing so. Wouldn't matter, if they were one mislynch from the win. I guess it is possible that we are one mislynch away now. I do not know the Scum win condition, but I believe the Scum win-con in Marathon was to have the same number or more alive as Town. If Red is to be believed, Scum has already achieved that in this game. So I guess that means Hostile 3rd Parties figure in the math. We have 26 players living, five Town and five Scum (again, if Red is to be believed), leaving 16 3rd parties. We have one of those 16 claiming Non-Hostile clearly (crys). We have a few seemingly Non-Hostile 3rd Parties (Red, Peeker, PizzaGuy, and ). That still leaves a dozen possibilities. I think Lynch or Lose is a ways off.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 15:00:51 GMT -5
It's relative. Should scum have a detective and they target a townie, they would get a result of Hostile because the town's wincon necessarily precludes the scum's and vice versa for a town detective and a scum target. If either a town or scum detective targets a Third Party player, someone whose goals are not in conflict with town and scum, will be designated non-hostile. So let me get this straight, so if I am hostile and a scum detective targets me, they will get the result of hostile, because being town I am hostile towards scum? Do I have that right? That's correct.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 3, 2012 15:09:18 GMT -5
The designations in our initial PMs are unique in that they are presented from the perspective of the Mod/Designer, with non-hostile Third Parties being the only designation (as far as my understanding goes) that will show up as non-hostile at all times, regardless of the win conditions of the investigator.
Everyone else has the potential of showing up to an investigator with a different designation than that which is listed in their role PM, depending on the relationship between the win conditions of the investigator and the investigatee.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 3, 2012 15:10:14 GMT -5
Goddammit, I can't lynch ALL the liars. Would you people slow down with the silly unprovoked claims so we can lynch you one at a time please?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 3, 2012 15:11:36 GMT -5
Goddammit, I can't lynch ALL the liars. Would you people slow down with the silly unprovoked claims so we can lynch you one at a time please? Crys and Ginger are you lynch priorities then, I take it?
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Post by crys on Oct 3, 2012 15:17:16 GMT -5
Both Crys's and Ginger's PMs say they cannot bid on the mercenary. Maybe only Town or Non-hostile 3rd party can bid and scum can't. Um I am non hostile Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 3, 2012 15:28:58 GMT -5
Goddammit, I can't lynch ALL the liars. Would you people slow down with the silly unprovoked claims so we can lynch you one at a time please? Crys and Ginger are you lynch priorities then, I take it? No, I'm conflicted now. I have no priorities. I am priorityless. If this keeps up I'll have to do some actual analysis, and I hate that. I much prefer one liar at a time. Here's the thing, any-future-claimers would do well to pay attention here... quit with the lies. If you're going to claim and throw yourself at the mercy of the players, don't lie. When you lie, you get caught, and when you get caught, we wonder what else you're lying about and we suddenly tend to have less mercy than otherwise.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 3, 2012 15:35:51 GMT -5
Goddammit, I can't lynch ALL the liars. Would you people slow down with the silly unprovoked claims so we can lynch you one at a time please? Crys and Ginger are you lynch priorities then, I take it? If you lynch me can I get cookies to take with me? I am lynchable, meaning that I am not sure that I will use my power in this game. I was thinking of using it on Guiri due to his 8 votes, but with all the vote changing I figured he was out of lynch potential... The only thing is that can town afford to be down another town member and I understand that I am the only one that knows I am town, well other than scum...
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 3, 2012 15:42:26 GMT -5
Oh holy shit. I hadn't even considered that, Ginger.
I gotta chew on that. I feel like there's a way to use your power to keep whoever won the Merc bid out of the spotlight, and I feel like it can be done in a pro-town way. Must cogitate...
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 3, 2012 15:43:43 GMT -5
Actually, the Scum could very well be pondering the wifom your allegedly blundered claim has set out, as to whether you are actually a Third Party who fudged on trying to claim a Town role.
Investigations aside, the Scum know who isn't Scum, no more than that.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 15:49:49 GMT -5
Crys and Ginger are you lynch priorities then, I take it? If you lynch me can I get cookies to take with me? I am lynchable, meaning that I am not sure that I will use my power in this game. I was thinking of using it on Guiri due to his 8 votes, but with all the vote changing I figured he was out of lynch potential... The only thing is that can town afford to be down another town member and I understand that I am the only one that knows I am town, well other than scum... Why would Scum know you are Town? Is Scum informed of who is 3rd Party and who is not?
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 15:58:05 GMT -5
Oh holy shit. I hadn't even considered that, Ginger. I gotta chew on that. I feel like there's a way to use your power to keep whoever won the Merc bid out of the spotlight, and I feel like it can be done in a pro-town way. Must cogitate... If it is possible, it would be done at the cost of not being able to use the merc. This does bring up an interesting question. When would she invoke the change of sentence? Seems like there could easily be a very small window of opportunity at the EOD if the voting goes down to the last minute. Surely it would be too late after Dusk, or would it?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 3, 2012 16:00:59 GMT -5
If you lynch me can I get cookies to take with me? I am lynchable, meaning that I am not sure that I will use my power in this game. I was thinking of using it on Guiri due to his 8 votes, but with all the vote changing I figured he was out of lynch potential... The only thing is that can town afford to be down another town member and I understand that I am the only one that knows I am town, well other than scum... Why would Scum know you are Town? Is Scum informed of who is 3rd Party and who is not? I see your point. They don't know if I am 3rd party of town. Typically I am used to a game that does not have very many if any at all 3rd party. Either way they know I am not scum.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 3, 2012 16:02:28 GMT -5
No, it wouldn't be too late. The next set of actions presumably resolve right before Dawn, so there's time for her to pull the trigger (or not) and other powers to adjust accordingly.
So, that would be an interesting way to take the Merc out of play, but it would be done at the cost of our lynch, because we don't get to move on to the next highest vote getter.
Dangit.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 3, 2012 16:02:58 GMT -5
Oh holy shit. I hadn't even considered that, Ginger. I gotta chew on that. I feel like there's a way to use your power to keep whoever won the Merc bid out of the spotlight, and I feel like it can be done in a pro-town way. Must cogitate... If it is possible, it would be done at the cost of not being able to use the merc. This does bring up an interesting question. When would she invoke the change of sentence? Seems like there could easily be a very small window of opportunity at the EOD if the voting goes down to the last minute. Surely it would be too late after Dusk, or would it? I have not asked the mod when I should ask. I assumed that say if Johnny B was being lynched that prior to writing the story for night the mod would check PM's and then adjust accordingly. I can ask if you wish?
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Post by crys on Oct 3, 2012 16:12:25 GMT -5
Crys and Ginger are you lynch priorities then, I take it? No, I'm conflicted now. I have no priorities. I am priorityless. If this keeps up I'll have to do some actual analysis, and I hate that. I much prefer one liar at a time. Here's the thing, any-future-claimers would do well to pay attention here... quit with the lies. If you're going to claim and throw yourself at the mercy of the players, don't lie. When you lie, you get caught, and when you get caught, we wonder what else you're lying about and we suddenly tend to have less mercy than otherwise. Yes but I have yet to lie about anything. I stated before I posted my role pm that it would be edited b4 I posted it. If you guys lynch me tomorrow so be it but I have offered to work with town. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by wombat99 on Oct 3, 2012 16:13:23 GMT -5
Both Crys's and Ginger's PMs say they cannot bid on the mercenary. Maybe only Town or Non-hostile 3rd party can bid and scum can't. Um I am non hostile Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards Well, I know that your post contained the word Non-Hostile. With a dash. I don't know if Pollux typed the Non or you did. I also know that Pleo's PM used the word Nonhostile without a dash. But, our Mod did say he might change spelling or punctuation in PMs.
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Post by crys on Oct 3, 2012 16:14:17 GMT -5
The designations in our initial PMs are unique in that they are presented from the perspective of the Mod/Designer, with non-hostile Third Parties being the only designation (as far as my understanding goes) that will show up as non-hostile at all times, regardless of the win conditions of the investigator. Everyone else has the potential of showing up to an investigator with a different designation than that which is listed in their role PM, depending on the relationship between the win conditions of the investigator and the investigatee. Ehhh not entirely true I show up hostile when I go bite someone Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by crys on Oct 3, 2012 16:16:05 GMT -5
Um I am non hostile Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards Well, I know that your post contained the word Non-Hostile. With a dash. I don't know if Pollux typed the Non or you did. I also know that Pleo's PM used the word Nonhostile without a dash. But, our Mod did say he might change spelling or punctuation in PMs. True but I didn't add any words. But after the end of the game you will most likely see that if pollux does what other mods have done Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by wombat99 on Oct 3, 2012 16:16:45 GMT -5
No, I'm conflicted now. I have no priorities. I am priorityless. If this keeps up I'll have to do some actual analysis, and I hate that. I much prefer one liar at a time. Here's the thing, any-future-claimers would do well to pay attention here... quit with the lies. If you're going to claim and throw yourself at the mercy of the players, don't lie. When you lie, you get caught, and when you get caught, we wonder what else you're lying about and we suddenly tend to have less mercy than otherwise. Yes but I have yet to lie about anything. I stated before I posted my role pm that it would be edited b4 I posted it. If you guys lynch me tomorrow so be it but I have offered to work with town. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards And do what for Town? Continue to sit in your room and not infect players with a virus that has no effect? That's what I don't get.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 3, 2012 16:22:29 GMT -5
Ehhh not entirely true I show up hostile when I go bite someone Yes, though that's a apparent checks and balances type of limitation of your power and has no bearing on your true designation with respect to who investigates you.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 3, 2012 16:25:39 GMT -5
Yes but I have yet to lie about anything. I stated before I posted my role pm that it would be edited b4 I posted it. If you guys lynch me tomorrow so be it but I have offered to work with town. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards And do what for Town? Continue to sit in your room and not infect players with a virus that has no effect? That's what I don't get. Assuming she's being truthful again, just the information that people infected have not been 'attacked' is good information for the Town to know. By staying in her room she would also ensure that investigators don't get tricked by the aforementioned inaccurate designation side effect of her Bite Mode.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 3, 2012 16:27:06 GMT -5
Here's the thing: her role is listed as a "Mad Bomber"
And while I would not put it past Pollux to have a non-win-stealing Bomber in this mix, that hasn't been my experience with Mad Bombers in the past.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 16:37:29 GMT -5
If it is possible, it would be done at the cost of not being able to use the merc. This does bring up an interesting question. When would she invoke the change of sentence? Seems like there could easily be a very small window of opportunity at the EOD if the voting goes down to the last minute. Surely it would be too late after Dusk, or would it? I have not asked the mod when I should ask. I assumed that say if Johnny B was being lynched that prior to writing the story for night the mod would check PM's and then adjust accordingly. I can ask if you wish? I do not now that I need to know this, but it would be interesting. If I were you, I would be asking for my own information if no other reason.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 3, 2012 16:42:13 GMT -5
It's relative. Should scum have a detective and they target a townie, they would get a result of Hostile because the town's wincon necessarily precludes the scum's and vice versa for a town detective and a scum target. If either a town or scum detective targets a Third Party player, someone whose goals are not in conflict with town and scum, will be designated non-hostile. but the way i read it is that if in fact she is town (against the scum) her designation as hostile would make her look non hostile to them. ipso fucto 3rd party leave alone. because even though her wincon is hostile to scum her designation as hostile would kind of throw them a screw ball. i hate to agree with kid but shit you folks need to find a story and stick to it. i am ironman[/color]/ deadpool.
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Post by crys on Oct 3, 2012 16:45:38 GMT -5
Yes but I have yet to lie about anything. I stated before I posted my role pm that it would be edited b4 I posted it. If you guys lynch me tomorrow so be it but I have offered to work with town. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards And do what for Town? Continue to sit in your room and not infect players with a virus that has no effect? That's what I don't get. Ummm I never said I wouldn't bite people. That would be pointless. I never said I woulnt play the game but I am 2 votes til the merc is gone. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 16:48:49 GMT -5
Regarding Nonhostile/Non-Hostile.
Ginger's, crys', and mahaloth's PMs all use the dash: Non-Hostile. Pleo's uses Nonhostile. I feel strongly that Pleo was Town from Day One, so I believe lack of the dash in Pleo's PM is Pleo's doing.
In the rules, Pollux uses both versions.
For what it is worth.
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Post by crys on Oct 3, 2012 16:49:03 GMT -5
And do what for Town? Continue to sit in your room and not infect players with a virus that has no effect? That's what I don't get. Assuming she's being truthful again, just the information that people infected have not been 'attacked' is good information for the Town to know. By staying in her room she would also ensure that investigators don't get tricked by the aforementioned inaccurate designation side effect of her Bite Mode. Lying is bad mmmk. Scum better hope I don't end up their team lol I couldn't even edit my pm right. Basically I have given you all the information I have and you either give me the benefit of the doubt and let me continue playing or you lynch me tomorrow. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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