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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 3, 2012 19:50:04 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;"> <font style="font-size: 12px;"> Lemme ask you this, Crys - why did you choose to claim? 2 reasons actually 1. I claimed while I was under no real pressure to do so. I was hoping to try and avoid some mass hysteria. I also made it equally known that I was going to edit my pm to keep some information from scum, but I botched that. Like I said earlier me trying to be deceitful=fail. 2. Town had just lost 2 players and power roles at that. I wanted to let town know that even though I was non-hostile 3rd party that I wanted to play with town than against them. Like I have said earlier I have given you the information, now you guys have to decide whether you want to give me the benefit of the doubt or not. And this strategy had already failed spectacularly (twice) by the time you claimed as well. The only reason I can see for you to attempt to make it work is that you're that afraid of the alternative. You could have kept your yap shut and played for Town and kept your power in your pants until the last minute to share Town's victory, and been fine. Instead you chose to claim, ensuring that we'll have to pay attention to you and decide if we have to deal with you, and that while claiming a role type of Mad Bomber. I don't understand how any of the 3rd parties that have claimed have expected this strategy to go well. Please, future possible 3rd party claimants, unless you have a way to prove that you are non-hostile and are willing to do it, keep your yap shut, and if you do claim, stop editing your PMs. Town can't hunt scum while we're debating you, and we won't be debating you if you don't claim. Hamstringing Town while claiming you're trying to help is absurd, and I'm rapidly approaching the point where I'm considering a flat policy lynch of anybody claiming 3rd party under pressure "in order to help Town".
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Post by crys on Oct 3, 2012 20:01:15 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px;"> Mad bomber, mostly. That role is hard enough to win with, it makes more sense to me that she'd be hostile with the chance to appear nonhostile, making it easier for her. [/size][/quote] I don't even know enough about pollux or this f'd up game to recreate my wincon. Are you stoned? Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards[/quote] The "I'm not clever enough to do that" defense has never gotten much traction with me. 2 reasons actually 1. I claimed while I was under no real pressure to do so. I was hoping to try and avoid some mass hysteria. I also made it equally known that I was going to edit my pm to keep some information from scum, but I botched that. Like I said earlier me trying to be deceitful=fail. 2. Town had just lost 2 players and power roles at that. I wanted to let town know that even though I was non-hostile 3rd party that I wanted to play with town than against them. Like I have said earlier I have given you the information, now you guys have to decide whether you want to give me the benefit of the doubt or not. [/quote] And this strategy had already failed spectacularly (twice) by the time you claimed as well. The only reason I can see for you to attempt to make it work is that you're that afraid of the alternative. You could have kept your yap shut and played for Town and kept your power in your pants until the last minute to share Town's victory, and been fine. Instead you chose to claim, ensuring that we'll have to pay attention to you and decide if we have to deal with you, and that while claiming a role type of Mad Bomber. I don't understand how any of the 3rd parties that have claimed have expected this strategy to go well. Please, future possible 3rd party claimants, unless you have a way to prove that you are non-hostile and are willing to do it, keep your yap shut, and if you do claim, stop editing your PMs. Town can't hunt scum while we're debating you, and we won't be debating you if you don't claim. Hamstringing Town while claiming you're trying to help is absurd, and I'm rapidly approaching the point where I'm considering a flat policy lynch of anybody claiming 3rd party under pressure "in order to help Town". [/quote] Honestly kid you are staring hard at third parties constantly I am really wondering what you have to hide. I am seriosly starting to see the hide in plain sight mentality from you. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by wombat99 on Oct 3, 2012 20:19:12 GMT -5
Ok I know this is probably stupid seeing what has happened to the two others that did this before me, but I am going to share my role pm. I just have a couple of things to say before I do. 1. My pm will be edited to remove a small bit of information that would be most valuable to scum and hostile 3rd parties. 2. dizzymrslizzy I'm sorry for infecting you. Crys, if the virus is harmless, as you claim, why are you apologizing to Dizzy?
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Post by wombat99 on Oct 3, 2012 20:25:17 GMT -5
Assuming she's being truthful again, just the information that people infected have not been 'attacked' is good information for the Town to know. By staying in her room she would also ensure that investigators don't get tricked by the aforementioned inaccurate designation side effect of her Bite Mode. Lying is bad mmmk. Scum better hope I don't end up their team lol I couldn't even edit my pm right. Basically I have given you all the information I have and you either give me the benefit of the doubt and let me continue playing or you lynch me tomorrow. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards How would you end up as scum? You said you aren't recruitable.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 3, 2012 20:26:13 GMT -5
i actually frequent poker sites as opposed to poke-her sites. but whatever floats your boat.
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Post by wombat99 on Oct 3, 2012 20:27:54 GMT -5
Ok I know this is probably stupid seeing what has happened to the two others that did this before me, but I am going to share my role pm. I just have a couple of things to say before I do. 1. My pm will be edited to remove a small bit of information that would be most valuable to scum and hostile 3rd parties. 2. dizzymrslizzy I'm sorry for infecting you. Crys, if the virus is harmless, as you claim, why are you apologizing to Dizzy? Let me correct myself. You said you would be surprised if the virus killed someone. Not the same as harmless.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 3, 2012 20:30:53 GMT -5
yaknow kid there seems to be an air of frustration that you have. you are irritated that so many "3rd party" have claimed but you continue to want to fish stuff from me. is it just personal or is there some sort of nexus that concerns you?
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 3, 2012 20:31:28 GMT -5
Honestly kid you are staring hard at third parties constantly I am really wondering what you have to hide. I am seriosly starting to see the hide in plain sight mentality from you. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards If you 3rd parties would stop claiming for no reason, I wouldn't have to pay attention to your claims, would I? Don't slap me in the face with a fish and then tell me to stop smelling fishy. I believe that if you really were non-hostile, that you wouldn't have felt the need to claim. Methinks you doth protest too much, and your need to claim is born of insecurity in your 3rd party/Hostile designation. This is backed up by your role type, Mad Bomber, a role that has been a win stealer every time I've seen it used. I'm sorry if that hits you where you live - I don't intend you to take this personally, and I apologize if I'm coming off strong (I've been doing that in the past couple games, I guess). But I'm not comfortable at all with your claim, and I'm calling it like I see it.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 3, 2012 20:33:07 GMT -5
and kid. ragnorak D4 eod. let us not go down that path again. i'm on the other side dontchaknow?
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 3, 2012 20:36:20 GMT -5
yaknow kid there seems to be an air of frustration that you have. you are irritated that so many "3rd party" have claimed but you continue to want to fish stuff from me. is it just personal or is there some sort of nexus that concerns you? I'm frustrated by what looks like repeated poor play from where I'm sitting. I'm doing my best to not take out that frustration on anybody else. You, on the other hand... I've given up on you. You apparently would prefer to play mindgames than come clean and you've said as much as you want to say, so that's fine, I'll decide whether or not I'm voting you in the Morning without your help. If you're insinuating that I had something to do with your death, I deny it categorically.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 3, 2012 20:38:24 GMT -5
... and I'm rapidly approaching the point where I'm considering a flat policy lynch of anybody claiming 3rd party under NO pressure "in order to help Town". EBWOP, because I a word there.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 3, 2012 20:40:08 GMT -5
and i am merely 3rd party since our og in his fucking piece of shit cowturd mind thinks that he believes that disclosure of that element will appeal to the masses. personally i think he is full of poo. i really have no issues with anyone other than the fucker[/size] that decided to kill me last Night. that sumbitch is toast.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 3, 2012 20:41:19 GMT -5
woot woot. i didn't break the board.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 3, 2012 20:50:10 GMT -5
yaknow kid there seems to be an air of frustration that you have. you are irritated that so many "3rd party" have claimed but you continue to want to fish stuff from me. is it just personal or is there some sort of nexus that concerns you? I'm frustrated by what looks like repeated poor play from where I'm sitting. I'm doing my best to not take out that frustration on anybody else. You, on the other hand... I've given up on you. You apparently would prefer to play mindgames than come clean and you've said as much as you want to say, so that's fine, I'll decide whether or not I'm voting you in the Morning without your help. If you're insinuating that I had something to do with your death, I deny it categorically. but i don't get it. please help me. we are buds in this game regardless of alignment (or maybe i over reach). why is me coming clean different than someone else? 1. i am ironman2. i am deadpool3. i can not be killed (for long) 4. i can provide a valuable service to town 5. i'm pissed about getting whacked N1 and will follow that scrunchkin to the end of this game. 6. jeebuz if you are town you should be glad that i got it on N1 as opposed to some of the other jackasses supposedly playing for a town win. what more do you need? seriously if anyone else asks i ignore but from you i will answer.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 3, 2012 20:52:06 GMT -5
i will not post my complete pm for a couple more cycles, however.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 3, 2012 21:01:57 GMT -5
and on 5. it really doesn't have shit to do with my wincon. but sorry i'm from texas. don't ever fuck with my fam, my horse, my bbq pit or my dogs.
and never ever fuck with me.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 3, 2012 21:02:59 GMT -5
I'll restate my questions - I only have one role name, so WHY are you both Ironman and Deadpool? Why did you claim Ironman, and why were you confused when the mod announced your rolename as Deadpool (he still hasn't called you Ironman, by the way). For that matter, do you know why he announced your role name in the first place? These are the biggies. I could be more specific, but considering that I'm suspicious that you got caught using a mod-provided fake PM, I'd rather not put words in your mouth, I hope you understand . Can or will you answer any of those?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 3, 2012 21:20:17 GMT -5
and on 5. it really doesn't have shit to do with my wincon. but sorry i'm from texas. don't ever fuck with my fam, my horse, my bbq pit or my dogs. and never ever fuck with me. Thanks for clarifying. I was about to point out the conflation of #5 and #6. Because I'm a nag like that.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 3, 2012 21:35:43 GMT -5
My serious question for ToNight.......
If Obama and Romney were playing Mafia right now.......would they be Scum or Town? LOL.
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Post by crys on Oct 3, 2012 21:37:54 GMT -5
Lying is bad mmmk. Scum better hope I don't end up their team lol I couldn't even edit my pm right. Basically I have given you all the information I have and you either give me the benefit of the doubt and let me continue playing or you lynch me tomorrow. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards How would you end up as scum? You said you aren't recruitable. I meant ever, not specifically to this game.
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Post by crys on Oct 3, 2012 21:39:09 GMT -5
Ok I know this is probably stupid seeing what has happened to the two others that did this before me, but I am going to share my role pm. I just have a couple of things to say before I do. 1. My pm will be edited to remove a small bit of information that would be most valuable to scum and hostile 3rd parties. 2. dizzymrslizzy I'm sorry for infecting you. Crys, if the virus is harmless, as you claim, why are you apologizing to Dizzy? Really you are going to pick me apart that much. I apologized because it was the nice thing to do...what has gotten into you guys I swear.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 3, 2012 21:40:18 GMT -5
My serious question for ToNight....... If Obama and Romney were playing Mafia right now.......would they be Scum or Town? LOL. Really? Is there no where on the internet I can go and not have to hear about politics? Do not misunderstand, I talk about politics a lot. I love politics. But this is Mafia Game. Please talk politics somewhere else. Thank-you.
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Post by crys on Oct 3, 2012 21:40:30 GMT -5
Crys, if the virus is harmless, as you claim, why are you apologizing to Dizzy? Let me correct myself. You said you would be surprised if the virus killed someone. Not the same as harmless. I would assume because of my wincon that the virus wouldn't kill anyone. My wincon is to have half or more people infected including myself when the game ends.
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Post by crys on Oct 3, 2012 21:48:47 GMT -5
Honestly kid you are staring hard at third parties constantly I am really wondering what you have to hide. I am seriosly starting to see the hide in plain sight mentality from you. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards If you 3rd parties would stop claiming for no reason, I wouldn't have to pay attention to your claims, would I? Don't slap me in the face with a fish and then tell me to stop smelling fishy. I believe that if you really were non-hostile, that you wouldn't have felt the need to claim. Methinks you doth protest too much, and your need to claim is born of insecurity in your 3rd party/Hostile designation. This is backed up by your role type, Mad Bomber, a role that has been a win stealer every time I've seen it used. I'm sorry if that hits you where you live - I don't intend you to take this personally, and I apologize if I'm coming off strong (I've been doing that in the past couple games, I guess). But I'm not comfortable at all with your claim, and I'm calling it like I see it. I understand your viewpoint. However you need to understand mine also. I didn't do it to claim needlessly etc. I did it because I really want to play and it is safer for me in the long run. I am sorry if you don't like my strategy. Imho, if I claimed at a later date when receiving some significant lynch pressure it would most certainly bite me in the ass. I was hoping that doing so now when there was no pressure( I don't count 2 votes in the previous day to be pressure) might get it viewed as an act made in good faith. Not to mention I don't want to be screwed if I did work towards my wincon and then was investigated and came up hostile. I also said that I would stay in my room tonight so if someone wants to investigate me to test the waters that it would come up non hostile. If I survive the next night/day cycle I will bite someone else on the following night to at least confirm that part of my pm.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 3, 2012 21:59:49 GMT -5
My serious question for ToNight....... If Obama and Romney were playing Mafia right now.......would they be Scum or Town? LOL. Really? Is there no where on the internet I can go and not have to hear about politics? Do not misunderstand, I talk about politics a lot. I love politics. But this is Mafia Game. Please talk politics somewhere else. Thank-you. Dude, I was joking around, because it is all over the place. I'm sorry I pinged you.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 3, 2012 22:05:09 GMT -5
I understand your viewpoint. However you need to understand mine also. I didn't do it to claim needlessly etc. I did it because I really want to play and it is safer for me in the long run. I am sorry if you don't like my strategy. Imho, if I claimed at a later date when receiving some significant lynch pressure it would most certainly bite me in the ass. I was hoping that doing so now when there was no pressure( I don't count 2 votes in the previous day to be pressure) might get it viewed as an act made in good faith. Not to mention I don't want to be screwed if I did work towards my wincon and then was investigated and came up hostile. But I don't understand your viewpoint. You say safer for you in the long run, when two players who tried exactly the same thing before you got lynched for doing exactly what you did? You keep coming back to this like if you say it enough it makes sense, and you keep ignoring me every time I question your logic. Your play makes no sense on the face of it, so I'm forced to make assumptions in order for what you've done to appear logical. Right now the only way your play makes sense to me is that you're hiding a Hostile wincon. The PM you posted already makes plain that an investigator will get different results depending on what you're doing. An investigation of you won't prove anything. If you want me to not vote you, you're going to need to not bite anybody. At all. Ever.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 3, 2012 22:24:51 GMT -5
Right now the only way your play makes sense to me is that you're hiding a Hostile wincon. That does not necessarily equate to her being Hostile. It may just make her a mystery wrapped in an enigma, steeped in Women being from Mars, etc. We might very well have 17(?) Third Parties in this game. If that is true and this is going to be your approach any time you catch wind of someone who might be one, the Scum should be thrilled. Assuming you're not Scum, which I still kinda think you might be.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 3, 2012 22:30:08 GMT -5
Ok fine, I edited the PM and the hostile part, I don't understand the whole hostile versus non-hostile part. I am town, I can reassure you of that. I am a hostile but I have no idea if that is pro or anti scum. Am I hostile towards everyone or just scum? I edited the designation and the part where I underlined and colored and bolded, because it did not come over with a cut and paste. I do see my power as sort of dangerous, I can save the wrong person or lynch the wrong person. I would rather not make the judgement call myself, but I don't trust anyone at this point or their opinion. Being town, you are automatically hostile. It's really a non tell. Check the sample PM. I would use your judgement regarding your power. If you don't feel a lynch, please save them
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 3, 2012 22:39:41 GMT -5
Right now the only way your play makes sense to me is that you're hiding a Hostile wincon. That does not necessarily equate to her being Hostile. It may just make her a mystery wrapped in an enigma, steeped in Women being from Mars, etc. Like I say, it's the only way her play makes sense to me. I'm open to hearing other explanations, but I can't play under the assumption that her play DOESN'T make sense. I have to assume that other players will act logically, or this game becomes a game of chance. So we should give the third parties a free ride and just hope they're telling the truth when they say they aren't Hostile? That'll thrill them, I'm sure. The answer is for 3rd parties who really are interested in helping Town to stop claiming. Throwing themselves on the mercy of Town only makes sense in an open game where the roles and wincons are known and we can verify that they are who they say they are. This is a closed game, so anybody who isn't Town isn't to be trusted, full stop. I don't see any other logical way to approach it. I'm proposing to Crys that she can buy time by not biting people, and maybe another power will appear that can verify her. If she is infecting other players, she's going to force me and probably a lot of other players to assume she's Hostile and act on that assumption. If she keeps it in her pants, we're not forced to act immediately on that assumption. Crys, are you willing to go along with that?
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 4, 2012 0:54:47 GMT -5
Good heavens! This is one of the strangest Nights ever. Two claims and both have admitted to changing their PM's for the sake of Town. JBG, if she's telling the truth, has just put a target on her back for a scum kill, the doc has been mislynched already so unless there is another protective role out there there is a good chance that she could die toNight.
KidV doesn't want crys to bite anyone ever again, I don't either btw, but that is part of her wincon and if she doesn't bite anyone how can she win? I really don't like all these unforced claims
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