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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 4, 2012 18:40:22 GMT -5
From memory, in the Malazan game, we created two groups of Guardians, Weak and Strong Guardians.
The difference between them was that Weak Guardians could not protect other Guardians at all, whereas Strong Guardians could protect anyone other than a Strong Guardian. (The limitation on Strong Guardians was necessary to prevent two Guardians clanning up and becoming basically unbeatable.)
A Guardian didn't just stop a kill, but stopped any power used against the subject.
When I saw Wombat labelled a "weak Doc," that's the first thing I thought of.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 4, 2012 19:15:26 GMT -5
JustBeingGinger, I have a question about your Power:
If I understand your claim correctly, it works like this:
You pardon someone, so that instead of being lynched, they are 'jailed' for the next Night/Day period. At the end of that next Day, you choose to have them live or die.
What happens if you are killed that Night, while the player is in 'jail'? Do they live? Do they die? Do they turn into a cat?
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 4, 2012 19:38:34 GMT -5
Okay, so we have peacekeepers.... If you take Ginger's power into consideration, it does make sense, along with the fact that we have a weak cop/doc in wombat... We HAVE to find scum, and fast. My first vote is an easy one Vote Inner SticklerWhile someone else (don't remember who ATM) said that Inner was playing angrily, I slightly agree with this. Coupled with yesterday, where he helped expose Guiri's power, I feel comfortable with this vote Based on how the night kills went, I assume someone did go after KidV, and he blocked that kill with his protection. Also, it seems someone protected Peeker, and was able to bring him back. There is a role in Conspiracy that can do this (Witchdoctor, I think) I see no compelling reasons to come to any of these conclusions. Possibilities, sure. But not conclusions. but i think that the vast wasteland that are the participants in this endeavor are in the same boat. plenty of suppositions but very little on the house made of bricks. we play with what we are dealt. i sincerely doubt that there is a resurrecting role but who knows. but i will make you an offer. string my ass up and i will be back again. i feel kind of like bill murray in groundhog day. if you do that you get my whole pm, unedited and open for perusal and or questions. matter of fact make it a runaway bandwagon and i will post it before i ascend the steps. that way you don't have to wait for me to wake up from my kind of dead nappy.
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Post by crys on Oct 4, 2012 19:46:38 GMT -5
Wait! You want us to lynch you?.....What?...I am so confused.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 4, 2012 19:55:28 GMT -5
Peeks, you are saying that your power did prevent you from completely dying? Just double checking before I make another assumption
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 4, 2012 19:57:11 GMT -5
Wait! You want us to lynch you?.....What?...I am so confused. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards not necessarily. however, it kind of makes no dif to me. i'll come back afuckingain. my issue was with the wibble wobble on the possibilites but no surety. well carp, that's how this game plays. crap i was really really really dead. how'd that turn out? vote cookies vote inner
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 4, 2012 20:01:43 GMT -5
Peeks, you are saying that your power did prevent you from completely dying? Just double checking before I make another assumption blah blah blah i am ironman[/color]. i can not be killed. this is where i can help town or fucking scum i guess. just redirect everything on to me and nada will happen. i mean i guess it could be like N1 where i show up dead but it won't be for long. but i think it much more likely that town would have a redirect and that acts as a doc now. be careful and choose wisely.
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Post by crys on Oct 4, 2012 20:14:48 GMT -5
Wait! You want us to lynch you?.....What?...I am so confused. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards not necessarily. however, it kind of makes no dif to me. i'll come back afuckingain. my issue was with the wibble wobble on the possibilites but no surety. well carp, that's how this game plays. crap i was really really really dead. how'd that turn out? vote cookies vote innerI get the vote on inner but what am I missing about cookies Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 4, 2012 20:16:08 GMT -5
That might indeed be how the game is played sometimes, my dear fixated Peeker. But logic and analysis and trying not to pull stuff out of one's butt that has no basis is how this game is won, imho.
I just got done reading the first half of all of Inner's posts in this game and there wasn't anything that I'd consider 'hostile' or 'angry', even up to the point where he is accused of being hostile and angry for the first time. Not to mention, that being hostile or angry (or snarky) are piss poor scum tells in my anecdotal experience, particularly in a game with no dead scum. I'll re-read the rest of his posts later, but I just don't see it. I didn't see it when he was first accused of it, and I still don't see it now.
All that being said, it doesn't necessarily clear Inner, as he could be part of a scum-on-scum drama distraction and/or a scum-on-scum Townie credibility mechanism but it does continue to cast a cloud of suspicion on those accusing Inner of unsportsmanlike conduct for no good reason that I can see, or those voting for him because of it.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 4, 2012 20:36:12 GMT -5
That might indeed be how the game is played sometimes, my dear fixated Peeker. But logic and analysis and trying not to pull stuff out of one's butt that has no basis is how this game is won, imho. I just got done reading the first half of all of Inner's posts in this game and there wasn't anything that I'd consider 'hostile' or 'angry', even up to the point where he is accused of being hostile and angry for the first time. Not to mention, that being hostile or angry (or snarky) are piss poor scum tells in my anecdotal experience, particularly in a game with no dead scum. I'll re-read the rest of his posts later, but I just don't see it. I didn't see it when he was first accused of it, and I still don't see it now. All that being said, it doesn't necessarily clear Inner, as he could be part of a scum-on-scum drama distraction and/or a scum-on-scum Townie credibility mechanism but it does continue to cast a cloud of suspicion on those accusing Inner of unsportsmanlike conduct for no good reason that I can see, or those voting for him because of it. i don't know that i have charactererized you or inner as being "hostile" or "angry". if i have then i am sure you will cite it for me. it's just the way i read the game. you are the most likely scum. i am third party and to some extent don't give a rat's ass. but after being away for a while i do want to see if the ol' detector still works. and frankly i don't see that inner has crossed any rubican at in my books. he always thinks i am full of shit so it's par for the course. and i do chastise story for getting in inner's grill a touch. i didn't see anything that out of line. matter of fact based on some of my go arounds with the two of you and ed it was about as innocuous as bringing me back a double when i asked for a single. but there are some newbs and so i can understand the tone it down a notch. at least with those there are new to our clan. i mean they will quickly figure out that we are just a bunch of damn derelicts anyways.
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 4, 2012 20:36:34 GMT -5
What game is the shark repellant from? Is that Arkham?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 4, 2012 20:45:33 GMT -5
i mean they will quickly figure out that we are just a bunch of damn derelicts anyways. Hey! I resemble that remark. Look, peeker, I'm on the fence about Inner, but I think you're wrong about cookies.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 4, 2012 20:46:37 GMT -5
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 4, 2012 20:53:57 GMT -5
It isn't your vote against Inner that I was taking issue with, Peeker. I can't take issue with your vote on Inner because you've never explained why you're making it in the first place.
The vote I was taking issue with was Colby's, as he justifies it (at least in part) with the judgement that Inner is playing angrily. Colby also doesn't really douch on the debate of why Inner's vote on Guiri was somehow the lynchpin of the crap that led to a dead Town Doc on Day 2. It seemed like you were backing Colby's vapor-case because nothing in this game is certain, so I was kinda responding to you both at once, but for different reasons.
I'll just pick up where I left off yesterday with KidV and add Colby to the mix now too.
Vote KidV Vote Colby[/b]
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Post by Parzival on Oct 4, 2012 21:00:10 GMT -5
peekercpa assuming you're serious about lynching you, why is worth it to us to 'confrim' your power instead of actually looking for hostiles?
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 4, 2012 21:01:42 GMT -5
It isn't your vote against Inner that I was taking issue with, Peeker. I can't take issue with your vote on Inner because you've never explained why you're making it in the first place. The vote I was taking issue with was Colby's, as he justifies it (at least in part) with the judgement that Inner is playing angrily. Colby also doesn't really douch on the debate of why Inner's vote on Guiri was somehow the lynchpin of the crap that led to a dead Town Doc on Day 2. It seemed like you were backing Colby's vapor-case because nothing in this game is certain, so I was kinda responding to you both at once, but for different reasons. I'll just pick up where I left off yesterday with KidV and add Colby to the mix now too. Vote KidV Vote Colby[/b][/quote] nah, cookies i think you'd be hard pressed to find a vote i make because someone just irks me. i am not as smart as the rest of you folks so i kind of have to lean on nuance that if i typed it out would resemble something along the lines of war and peace. and i haven't played in over a year so i am still getting the ol' sea legs under me. and while i absolutely do not expect for you to agree with my vote on you at least it was made because that is the best data that i can come up with. am i wrong, maybe. am i right, maybe. but at least i have a feeling. and won't do something so assinine as doing random.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 4, 2012 21:08:57 GMT -5
VOTE JBG, VOTE CRYS
Placeholders...... Or not.
My feelings on claims aside, edited claims über not cool.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 4, 2012 21:27:38 GMT -5
peekercpa assuming you're serious about lynching you, why is worth it to us to 'confrim' your power instead of actually looking for hostiles? i think that is the wise choice. i was merely offering an easy out for those that seek it.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 4, 2012 21:35:33 GMT -5
Heya, I think JBG is lying about her wincon and alignment. I think she skimmed the info in order to catch up, no harm no foul, but missed the crucial bit that town is hostile. I think she is third party hostile at best, scum at worst and inadvertently changed her designation to seem more townie, because who prior to this game would think of town as hostile.
vote JustBeingGinger
In other news Peeks has me totally confused as usual.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 4, 2012 21:38:05 GMT -5
ok. that sounded kind of snarky. let me try again.
my wincon has not a hill of beans to do with hostile, non hostile, town, scum or other third parties. however, i can certainly influence the outcome between those various factions. i was merely offering the observation that if a concensus can not be achieved i might be a good place to achieve it. for all intents and purposes the effect is a no lynch but whatever. additionally, at Night if someone is unsure of where to aim, and if they must aim, i'm pretty innocuous. sure you can string me or freeze me or chop me into little bits but it don't last long. remember i am ironman. but i can also become deadpool if necessary.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 4, 2012 21:40:30 GMT -5
i mean they will quickly figure out that we are just a bunch of damn derelicts anyways. Hey! I resemble that remark. Look, peeker, I'm on the fence about Inner, but I think you're wrong about cookies. i'll give that a .5 out of 2.0. probably the closest we have ever seen things. heh heh.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 4, 2012 21:48:31 GMT -5
Heya, I think JBG is lying about her wincon and alignment. I think she skimmed the info in order to catch up, no harm no foul, but missed the crucial bit that town is hostile. I think she is third party hostile at best, scum at worst and inadvertently changed her designation to seem more townie, because who prior to this game would think of town as hostile. vote JustBeingGingerIn other news Peeks has me totally confused as usual. i don't see her being scum unless that team is as dysfunctional as a .... ok, i won't go there. carp, she ain't been around for a while. surely she would have vetted what she was going to say with her mates before posting. nah, third party hostile. after cookies and inner we can get rid of her next. i like it when everyone starts to line up. makes it easy peasy.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 4, 2012 21:51:12 GMT -5
and if colby wants to cut in line that be just fine with me.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 4, 2012 22:10:09 GMT -5
Heya, I think JBG is lying about her wincon and alignment. I think she skimmed the info in order to catch up, no harm no foul, but missed the crucial bit that town is hostile. I think she is third party hostile at best, scum at worst and inadvertently changed her designation to seem more townie, because who prior to this game would think of town as hostile. vote JustBeingGingerIn other news Peeks has me totally confused as usual. i don't see her being scum unless that team is as dysfunctional as a .... ok, i won't go there. carp, she ain't been around for a while. surely she would have vetted what she was going to say with her mates before posting. nah, third party hostile. after cookies and inner we can get rid of her next. i like it when everyone starts to line up. makes it easy peasy. Damn this hurts lots but.....yeah I didn't think thru the scum team advice/help thing. I'm still going with hostile 3rd party with a kill ability though.
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Post by patricia on Oct 4, 2012 22:21:33 GMT -5
i think it's pretty obvious that the gastard part is that majority of us are 3rd party. Vote: JustBeingGinger [/color][/quote] Gnarly does this mean you are 3rd party?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 4, 2012 22:24:49 GMT -5
So It looks like to me that we have several targets as good candidates today.....I agree with whoever said last night that I prefer my liars come forward one at a time instead of all at once. Then you have the cluster-eff we have now.
Crys and Ginger are sort of on the same page for me. Both claimed and posted PMs. Both edited their PMs. Ginger took it a step farther by lying about her edit.
Inner and Pizza I still am very uncomfortable with. Inner seems to have all of the answers before anyone else, and that makes me a bit uncomfortable how he knows everything. Pizza just has a real arrogance about him that just pings me.
Peekers just is in a class by himself. He really pings with his BS "Come on just lynch me" crap. Who cares, you can come back to life. Why should we waste a lynch on you. That's half assed backwards, because how is that going to help get anyone to their wincon. I also am confused Peek From the sound of one of your posts, it sounds like you are a nexus redirecting things to yourself. Are you able to pick and chose what gets redirected to you?
For now, I'm going to pick one of each of my groupings of players.
Vote: InnerStickers Vote: JustBeingGinger
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 4, 2012 22:32:56 GMT -5
Inner seems to have all of the answers before anyone else, and that makes me a bit uncomfortable how he knows everything. Examples? By my count he had a theory that Peeker was killed by some sort of nexus power. That is not an answer, it is a theory, unless you know something the rest of us don't? Also if you know he knows everything, that mean you also know everything...
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Post by Parzival on Oct 4, 2012 22:38:26 GMT -5
I don't know that it will happen but I have a question about the immediate end-of-Day the voting rules allow for:
Does the immediate end-of-Day occur when every single vote is for the lynchee aside from the lynchees, or when every single player has at least one vote on the lynchee (with other votes possibly for other players)
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Post by Parzival on Oct 4, 2012 22:38:52 GMT -5
Question mark.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 4, 2012 22:53:14 GMT -5
Inner seems to have all of the answers before anyone else, and that makes me a bit uncomfortable how he knows everything. Examples? By my count he had a theory that Peeker was killed by some sort of nexus power. That is not an answer, it is a theory, unless you know something the rest of us don't? Also if you know he knows everything, that mean you also know everything... There were two examples from yesterday. The first was the whole Nexus thing. His theory seemed way more advanced then what a "normal" person would know. I said this yesterday. The second, I'll have to go back for: It had to do with Pizza and his random hidden messages for the Town Vig. He said (and I can't quote it for some reason) <snipped> I'm not sure where he got the knowledge for this post. Because it's not information that "I" have, and doesn't seem like information that was common knowledge. Several posts later Pizza said basically the same thing, confirming Inner's previous "thoughts" It was a bit too convenient for me. I personally don't have any extra information. I have no clue if Inner is blowing smoke up our rear ends, or if he really knows something the rest of us don't. I'd just like an explanation.
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