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Post by crys on Oct 9, 2012 19:03:41 GMT -5
With all due respect, that's exactly what someone we should lynch would say. Yup. Crys, I sense that you're frustrated. I appreciate that you're willing to not use your power for now, and if you're telling the truth I hope somebody can come up with a way for you to prove that you're non-hostile. If you're lying, I hope you die in a fire . I'm willing to consider not voting to lynch you as long as nobody else pops up saying they're infected. Obviously that's not satisfactory to you for forever, but truce for now? I said that was ok with me for now last night. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by crys on Oct 9, 2012 19:05:54 GMT -5
Yup. Crys, I sense that you're frustrated. I appreciate that you're willing to not use your power for now, and if you're telling the truth I hope somebody can come up with a way for you to prove that you're non-hostile. If you're lying, I hope you die in a fire . I'm willing to consider not voting to lynch you as long as nobody else pops up saying they're infected. Obviously that's not satisfactory to you for forever, but truce for now? and how easy would it be for a member of the scum team to come out and say they have gotten bitten to really set Crys up for a lynch. Now we know that or so she said that she is 3rd party. In a normal game we typically lynch 3rd party but with a possibility of a recruiter, they become more valuable. I am not saying that she is lying or telling the truth but just because someone says that they got bitten does not really mean they got bitten. It is not way a way to prove things. Very true. I however have given my word. I hope some of you will trust that. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by KidVermicious on Oct 9, 2012 19:11:11 GMT -5
I will, Crys. For now. *************** Dizzy, I think Colby said he targeted Pleo and Wombat. He also said he doesn't get any feedback on whether he was successful. I suspect Pleo started the game as Town.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 9, 2012 20:03:38 GMT -5
You'd honestly try and lynch Ginger again, Peeker? Or are you hoping that someone non-scum killer tries to take her out with a NK? So what if a few newish players have made fumbled spectacles of themselves? It happens. It doesn't have to dominate the conversation, and shouldn't. c'mon cookies. i trust ginger even less now than before. i don't think she can be scum because it gets broke if town or 3rd parties lose their NK ability or abilities. but i can't see a townie editing a pm. so she is third party hostile not lynchable. wonder how many folks that have eliminate hostiles in their wincons are going to have their panties in a wad toNight.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 9, 2012 20:05:21 GMT -5
Skeez, I don't think JBG used a "power" to not be lynched yesterDay. It says that she's the executioner and won't lynch herself......Failure to act doesn't really equal an action? KWIM? oh ffs. taking an action to prevent an action is an action. she had to act based on her pm. crimminy.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 9, 2012 20:08:34 GMT -5
I will, Crys. For now. *************** Dizzy, I think Colby said he targeted Pleo and Wombat. He also said he doesn't get any feedback on whether he was successful. I suspect Pleo started the game as Town. rut roh. agreed. pleo has his own way of dealing with these shenanigans and i don't doubt that there was some uber calculated quantum physics type shit that was going through his head. for the life of me i am not sure what the fuck he was thinking. but then he might very well say the same about some of these other travelers.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 9, 2012 20:10:24 GMT -5
but i can't see a townie editing a pm. Perhaps your crotchety old veteran eyes just lack vision. Maybe we have a new meme "A newbie would never do that".
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 9, 2012 20:13:07 GMT -5
and i normally love telling power roles how to behave especially if i am not one of them. but i really suspect that there might be some interesting shit to be observed if the gingercave is going to be the hotbed of activity that it seems to be leaning towards.
now, of course, not shit will happen. any person with eliminating hostiles in their wincon can go through this shit again manana. maybe that will be for the best.
we'll see. oh yes indeed we shall see.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 9, 2012 20:30:26 GMT -5
but i can't see a townie editing a pm. Perhaps your crotchety old veteran eyes just lack vision. Maybe we have a new meme "A newbie would never do that". and perhaps so cookies. the world has passed the dinosaurs onto the dung heap of fossil fuels. s'why i like killing newbs off in the first place. they upset the natural balance of all things. they drive me crazy to the point that this is all i can get through my head. www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsKO_r76kfQi kind of say fuck that.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 9, 2012 20:47:31 GMT -5
<snip> s'why i like killing newbs off in the first place. they upset the natural balance of all things. they drive me crazy... <snip> We are learning bad habits from Pleo, Mahaloth, Ginger and Colby.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 9, 2012 20:56:03 GMT -5
<snip> s'why i like killing newbs off in the first place. they upset the natural balance of all things. they drive me crazy... <snip> We are learning bad habits from Pleo, Mahaloth, Ginger and Colby. well at least we got rid of pleo and maha. and to a great extent we are doing our best to get rid of colby and ginger. the fact that she was not cooperative just goes to prove what a poor role model she is. if she is town she should have just bit it like any good townie would and let the chips fall where they may. then we could get rid of colby tomorrow and order would be re-established. your "heroes" would be dead and you would have no where to turn luke. seriously, pick a better crowd to identify with. i mean the job interview goes much better if you have obama and romney on your list of references as opposed to manson and bundy.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 9, 2012 21:14:50 GMT -5
seriously, pick a better crowd to identify with. i mean the job interview goes much better if you have obama and romney on your list of references as opposed to manson and bundy. I always have Kaczynsky check my math.
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Post by lauriern on Oct 9, 2012 21:17:48 GMT -5
seriously, pick a better crowd to identify with. i mean the job interview goes much better if you have obama and romney on your list of references as opposed to manson and bundy. I always have Kaczynsky check my math. Is this a mad-bomber breadcrumb?? ;D
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Post by crys on Oct 9, 2012 21:29:36 GMT -5
aka, he hit a 7/29 players twice. There's only a 24% chance of him hitting a recruitable. I think the odds are low that he hit them two days in a row. I tend to agree with you on this point Lizzy
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 9, 2012 21:53:02 GMT -5
Skeez, I don't think JBG used a "power" to not be lynched yesterDay. It says that she's the executioner and won't lynch herself......Failure to act doesn't really equal an action? KWIM? oh ffs. taking an action to prevent an action is an action. she had to act based on her pm. crimminy. But I don't think she is "pardoning" herself.....If her second PM is truthful then if she is lynched then there is no action. She doesn't block it, she doesn't do anything therefore not really using an "action" at all. Just like Peekers came back to life.....Did he say "Bring me back to life" or does his PM/Role just come back to life after Day/Night cycle without him having to do anything. That's all I was saying. JBG didn't necessary have to do ANYTHING at EOD to protect herself. Of course I'm just speculating and no one but Pollux and JBG know what really happened at EOD.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 9, 2012 22:08:46 GMT -5
aka, he hit a 7/29 players twice. There's only a 24% chance of him hitting a recruitable. I think the odds are low that he hit them two days in a row. The odds are better than that. No one except Pleo and Wombat know if they were Town to begin with or if they were Town because Colby recruited them...and they aren't talking. So you have to include Town and Recruitable 3rd Party. That would be 12? At least 12 for the first night, and then 10 for the second? 12/28 would be 43%. 10/26 would be 38%.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 0:48:19 GMT -5
I have encountered roles that you'd have trouble lynching before.
80% of the time, they're not townies.
That coupled with the fact that she is a hostile third party role, means any vigilante should target her immediately.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 1:04:38 GMT -5
ANNOUNCEMENT
Parzival is hostile to the town
Degree of certainty: 100%
Even moreso than Ginger.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 10, 2012 1:32:19 GMT -5
That coupled with the fact that she is a hostile third party role Fact?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 10, 2012 1:37:46 GMT -5
I don't suppose we get any context, just your '100% guarantee' on this data, Pizza? How is someone factually a hostile third party in a less hostile way than Parzival is apparently hostile?
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Oct 10, 2012 6:19:30 GMT -5
Okay, I guess that was something true. Still not confirmed, as she only survived a single lynch, but I'm not going to be pushing for it Tomorrow. The color fits with the idea that she's the executioner, and really, we don't have time to sit here and rigorously test the limits of her lynch avoidance. I'm not even sure we really had the time for this experiment but we can't keep lynching ginger and let scum pick us off one by one each night. An unlynchable hostile 3rd party is game-breaking for the same reason an unlynchable scum is. An unlynchable non-hostile 3rd party is not game-breaking but weird. how about recruitable non-hostile who loses her powers when she becomes either scum or town? Ok I am going to say this one final time. I am looking for more information so I bite smartly, and I conceded to Kid's point saying I won't bite people for now. I have been playing the game honestly maybe next time I will pretend like I have gotten bitten myself and lie to everyone about everything and then get lynched cause I lied..... Anyone that questions my logic I am going to state it as simply as I can hoping ya'll won't twist it around* I don't really want to bite people that are scummy cause I think they will taste bad and I'm hoping town will get their act together and lynch them dead. I want more data before I go on a feeding frenzy and I don't think biting random people are really going to advance my wincon very much. * I am pretty sure someone is going to twist it around. With that I have a pm to send telling the gastardly mod I am staying in my room this evening true to my word. However Kid I will not stay in my room forever! i understand your predicament. however, if your PM is true, i don't see how you're going to win. claiming certainly was not the way to go. ANNOUNCEMENTParzival is hostile to the town Degree of certainty: 100% Even moreso than Ginger. care to elaborate? are claiming to be a cop?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 10, 2012 6:40:37 GMT -5
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Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 10, 2012 6:55:07 GMT -5
Holy shit, hell froze over?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 10, 2012 7:06:44 GMT -5
We are learning bad habits from Pleo, Mahaloth, Ginger and Colby. well at least we got rid of pleo and maha. and to a great extent we are doing our best to get rid of colby and ginger. the fact that she was not cooperative just goes to prove what a poor role model she is. if she is town she should have just bit it like any good townie would and let the chips fall where they may. then we could get rid of colby tomorrow and order would be re-established. your "heroes" would be dead and you would have no where to turn luke. seriously, pick a better crowd to identify with. i mean the job interview goes much better if you have obama and romney on your list of references as opposed to manson and bundy. We all have different play styles and I don't recall yours being at the top of the game charts...
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 8:08:04 GMT -5
That coupled with the fact that she is a hostile third party role Fact? Cookies: She's admittedly hostile. She edited her role PM to remove it. Then she put it back in, realizing her error. Her hostility is not in dispute. I, for one, believe Red Skeezix and his magic bag. And his magic bag makes it more and more unlikely that she began the game as a townie. Then that makes her hostile third party or hostile mafia. Because of math: If there are X number of townies. And 2 are masons. And 1 is a town converter And 1 is a town backup converter And 1 is a town doctor And so on and so forth Eventually you run out of townies for Ginger to be. But hey. Let's make room for the idea that I'm wrong, as that window is still slightly cracked open. Kinda. I don't suppose we get any context, just your '100% guarantee' on this data, Pizza? How is someone factually a hostile third party in a less hostile way than Parzival is apparently hostile? I've shared the knowledge. But there will be people who put their grumpy face on, and plant their foot down, and state, proudly, and in a loud, steady voice: PIZZA MAN. ANTI TOWN. NOT..... REVEALING.... EVERYTHING HE KNOWS!!!! GRRRRRRRRRR..... HEAD ASPLODE!!!!
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 8:09:42 GMT -5
The color fits with the idea that she's the executioner, and really, we don't have time to sit here and rigorously test the limits of her lynch avoidance. I'm not even sure we really had the time for this experiment but we can't keep lynching ginger and let scum pick us off one by one each night. An unlynchable hostile 3rd party is game-breaking for the same reason an unlynchable scum is. An unlynchable non-hostile 3rd party is not game-breaking but weird. how about recruitable non-hostile who loses her powers when she becomes either scum or town? Whatever Ginger is, she's already admitted to being hostile! GAH!!!! PLEASE REMEMBER THIS FACTUAL FACT!!!!
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 8:11:22 GMT -5
Holy shit, hell froze over? I will state, for the record, that for the longest time at forums.totalwar.org, rolling your eyes at askthepizzaguy was a reliable scumtell. And, I'm not even exaggerating. We literally lynched like 5 scums based on just that kinda crap. And Ginger, you are not even remotely close to changing my mind about you. And, if it is up to me, you do not survive the game. So do something about it.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 10, 2012 8:16:18 GMT -5
well at least we got rid of pleo and maha. and to a great extent we are doing our best to get rid of colby and ginger. the fact that she was not cooperative just goes to prove what a poor role model she is. if she is town she should have just bit it like any good townie would and let the chips fall where they may. then we could get rid of colby tomorrow and order would be re-established. your "heroes" would be dead and you would have no where to turn luke. seriously, pick a better crowd to identify with. i mean the job interview goes much better if you have obama and romney on your list of references as opposed to manson and bundy. We all have different play styles and I don't recall yours being at the top of the game charts... i will be the first to admit that my playstyle is akin to a blind pig finding an acorn. sometimes i am in a copse of firs and starve. other times i am in a forest of oaks and gorge.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 10, 2012 8:43:03 GMT -5
Whatever Ginger is, she's already admitted to being hostile! GAH!!!! PLEASE REMEMBER THIS FACTUAL FACT!!!! Your point? She hasn't admitted being hostile to town and regardless of how they do things at totalwar, here, it is not done to create an unlynchable role and give it to scum.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 8:45:24 GMT -5
This would be Red Skeezix, saying there are 7 townies on Day 1, going into night 1. Let's count them off, shall we?1. Askthepizzaguy, starting townie vigilante complementing mason tagger.2. Askthepizzaguy's starting townie detective mason partner (OH YEAH *bunnies* I AM CHOCK FULL OF MAGIC BAGS) - pause for extreme emphasis of the above two very important data points
3. Townie converter that you all know exists due to Pleonast claiming third party and ending up townie and therefore cannot be anything except a starting townie converter's doing. [ Colby, to a degree of nigh certainty, and this person should be protected via the Mercenary without question because townie mason pizzaguy effing said so and don't bother arguing with me about it.] 4. Claimed townie converter who is not counterclaimed who knows he has a backup townie converter which means what? This is a starting townie role. That would be impossible to be a third party role. 5. GUIRI the town doctor (deceased) If I'm not mistaken, town would begin the game with a doctor. So Either Guiri was the starting doctor or someone else is. Colby can answer that question, I can't seem to find it. That leaves starting townie roles number 6 and number 7. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to who they are? 6. Red Skeezix, most likely, for reporting how many folks we have with his magic bag of magic bagness. That information is utterly vital to the town, and fairly useless to third parties. Or maybe he's just really awesome and friendly in his nonhostile third partyness but I dunno, davey. 7. JustBeingGinger's role?Wherefor art thou town vigilante whose role I complement and thus probably exists? Don't answer that, town vigilante whose role I complement. And if you folks don't believe Red Skeezix, then you also believe he is lying to you on purpose and therefore he's hostile to someone and needs to die. So you either believe Red Skeezix or you need to kill him. And if you believe Red Skeezix then you need to kill folks who claim to be starting townies who are not so. The two cannot both be townies, and it's impossible for one of them to be a nonhostile third party. And if you don't believe me, wait a while. I'll be very dead soon enough. What with being a townie mason who can report his detective partner's results like a boss.So, new rules going forward: 1. Parzival dies. 2. You do not trust JustBeingGinger unless extraordinary evidence is presented that she is a *starting* townie role. I for one do not believe it, but what do I know. 3. Mercenary protects Colby until I or my mason partner says not to. 4. If you do not follow these rules then you are saying I am scum, so prove it and lynch me.
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