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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 8:50:29 GMT -5
Your point? She hasn't admitted being hostile to town and regardless of how they do things at totalwar, here, it is not done to create an unlynchable role and give it to scum. Well, I am positing the opinion that she is third party hostile.Which would not be game-ending for the town. Especially with roles like mine and the vigilante. And mafia crossfire. Regardless, we will ultimately find out, because if need be, I will have her tagged and attacked, and if I can't make that happen, I'm gonna have her scanned. If I'm wrong, we will find out soon enough. And if I'm right, the only reason she ever died in this game is because I hammered her relentlessly even when the rest of you gave up.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 10, 2012 8:59:19 GMT -5
Third party hostile is another name for scum. The expectation here is that all enemies of town are subject to the lynch. The lynch is town's final and strongest power and while it may not always be easy to eliminate a player via the lynch, it should be possible. Were the vigilante and other killing roles to be eliminated early on through bad luck, town would be screwed through no fault of its own and in the case of eliminating the mafia through good play.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 10, 2012 9:09:32 GMT -5
We all have different play styles and I don't recall yours being at the top of the game charts... i will be the first to admit that my playstyle is akin to a blind pig finding an acorn. sometimes i am in a copse of firs and starve. other times i am in a forest of oaks and gorge. Although I do like your analogies, we float in the same boat. There are times I don't know if I should scratch my watch or wind my ass!
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 10, 2012 9:14:17 GMT -5
Holy shit, hell froze over? I will state, for the record, that for the longest time at forums.totalwar.org, rolling your eyes at askthepizzaguy was a reliable scumtell. And, I'm not even exaggerating. We literally lynched like 5 scums based on just that kinda crap. And Ginger, you are not even remotely close to changing my mind about you. And, if it is up to me, you do not survive the game. So do something about it. The one thing that my death will show is you being wrong and that might be worth it's weight in gold. Tag me, make me pee blue and send your friend after me to kill me, I don't give 2 pennies about it. It will be a wasted move on your part. So spin your wheels with it. Chances are I will not survive the game and if in fact you are town, which I am doubting at this point, your actions will be seen as being very anti-town, and good luck with that.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 9:24:19 GMT -5
Yes, the mafia will certainly allow me to continue tagging folks. That makes total sense.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 9:32:24 GMT -5
Third party hostile is another name for scum. The expectation here is that all enemies of town are subject to the lynch. The lynch is town's final and strongest power and while it may not always be easy to eliminate a player via the lynch, it should be possible. Were the vigilante and other killing roles to be eliminated early on through bad luck, town would be screwed through no fault of its own and in the case of eliminating the mafia through good play. She should only be capable of stopping the lynch on her once. That is not broken, just gastardly.
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Post by Parzival on Oct 10, 2012 9:39:54 GMT -5
So, askthepizzaguy, care to explain where you're getting all these percentages from? Because you're wrong about me. I wouldn't put that much confidence in JustBeingGinger's accuracy either.
My guess is you're fishing for a claim or trying to manipulate the vig. Here you go:
Night 1: I investigated Meeko. I got his Role Name.
Night 2: As people might have guessed, I was blocked when I got knocked unconscious. I'm now less sure that pizza's claim of being blocked is accurate. A lot less sure, really.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 9:44:04 GMT -5
Nah, you're calling my mason partner a liar.
There is no chance that he found you to be hostile if you're town.
I cannot fathom any possible circumstance where YOU would be starting townie. We already have a cop and I'm already having trouble fitting Ginger into the 7 townie startup matrix.
You're completely full of it, and you should be our next lynch period.
You're lying, you're hostile, and I will trust my mason buddy over you any day.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 9:48:00 GMT -5
My magic bag and my mason partner says Parzival is a dead scum walking.
Since you're not a detective that can be converted to the town side, and I highly suspect you are actually scum-scum, not just third party scum, what with your role-name-finding powers, I suggest you die immediately.
The longer this one survives, the more information he can reveal about the town to his evil buddies.
Askthepizzaguy says you go to the gallows, you go to the gallows and YOU DIE.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 9:49:48 GMT -5
I like how it reads "anti-vigilante" Mason.
That's literally what it says, and I thought it was quite ironic, since no vigilante should be without a role like mine.
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Post by Parzival on Oct 10, 2012 10:09:21 GMT -5
What I'm getting off that role is a strong sense of a hostile group. I would not be surprised if you two are either a third-party team, or that 'scum' is actually a set of small groups aligned together but not connected.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 10:09:42 GMT -5
It should be noted that if we have a WATCHER, town or non-hostile, they should be watching me tonight.
Doing so will nab the following:
1) Mafia roleblocker 2) Anyone attempting to kill me, which given Colby should be covered, makes me probably the next one that needs to die for the scum to win.
As such, if there is a WATCHER role alive, and you're not watching me tonight, I will be a sad panda.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 10:12:55 GMT -5
What I'm getting off that role is a strong sense of a hostile group. I would not be surprised if you two are either a third-party team, or that 'scum' is actually a set of small groups aligned together but not connected. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. So, "townie" man, why don't you list for us, say, 5 people you think are scum. Put my name at the top, or else you're definitely lying, and then give me at least 4 other names. I can tell ya, I been looking through the game now for hints as to who you seriously wanted dead, and which candidates you were merely distancing yourself from. So I am yet more convinced that KidV is not on your team, given how much you seriously wanted him dead. Those five names please, whenever you're ready, oh towniest of towns.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 10:16:50 GMT -5
Point 1: Townies are not afraid to point fingers at suspects. Point 2: Good luck pointing that finger at the folks who are definitely town. Point 3: Pointing your finger at the others will make those folks either know you're full of it, or... you'll have to point at your own partners. Which is useful to me. So, let's see how townie you are and how accurate your scumdar is. Please listen to this song while coming up with names. www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuABhumm6fY
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 10, 2012 10:26:25 GMT -5
Suddenly I feel a bit like John McLaughlin.
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Post by Silver Jan on Oct 10, 2012 10:30:45 GMT -5
Seriously, two more Town claims at Night! Do you lot want scum to win?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 10, 2012 10:34:51 GMT -5
Ugh, my head hurts.
Though, jan, Pizza was kind of already out of the bag. And I trust him far more than I trust parz, who I've been having trouble getting a read on all game.
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Post by Parzival on Oct 10, 2012 10:59:21 GMT -5
Okay, askthepizzaguy, I'll play along. I honestly don't think my choices for scum are any better than anyone else's. It'd be a lot better if we had something more solid (like a lynched scum) to go on. These are my gut feelings, without any case made. Since I have no results other than N1, I can't even breadcrumb here. People I think are hostile: Pizza Pizza's buddy from Blade Runner colby11 - I was very suspicious of the claim but if askthepizzaguy's lying, then maybe he's more likely to be right. Still leaning both lying now, because I think there's some substance to pizza guy's claim, even if it's hostile. RedSkeezix - I suspect him of revealing 'helpful' information while being 3P Hostile, or scum. People I am slightly suspicious of: ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies - Something about her makes me think she's trying to get at something, while holding information back. storyteller - I think he might be Third Party Hostile. InnerStickler - Could be playing the 'helpful townie' role a bit too well. dizzymrslizzy - Seems like some of her questions are of the prodding sort. richbeckman - He feels a bit in and out of the game to me, which suggests scum. MHaye - I have a feeling he's lurking. JustBeingGinger - may be Third Party, but I think I'm still processing the results of her lynch. The problem with all these people is that many or most of the people I suspect in this game are going to be Third Party or have some power. And no, KidV is not on that list. He seems very interested in self-preservation. My only read on that now is that he's not Town. Things have changed a lot since Day 1 and it took a bit to get used to the idea of a lot more people than normal playing for themselves. askthepizzaguy, how have your suspicions changed since the start of the game? Based on his role name, I think Meeko is not Town. While it seems like Role Names within this game may have meaning, I don't think we can always predict based on past roles so I can't tell. I am worried about a Riddler role so I'd rather not say it yet. I left a very thin breadcrumb that I doubt would even have been picked up by you, Meeko, in this post.
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Post by Parzival on Oct 10, 2012 11:01:02 GMT -5
That would be this post. Nobody uses quotes around BBCode URLs anymore, so I don't even know why I did that.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 10, 2012 11:04:13 GMT -5
parz flips scum= atpg and partner vindicated (could be bussing) parz flips town= atpg dies atpg flips scum= parz vindicated (could be bussing) atpg flips town= parz dies plus confirmation of masonry.
Hmm. I'm tending toward pizza at the moment simply because a scum masonry is a dangerous thing to claim.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 10, 2012 11:05:14 GMT -5
And by that I mean I'm tending toward believing ATPG, not that I'm tending toward preferring him dying.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 10, 2012 11:31:32 GMT -5
This would be Red Skeezix, saying there are 7 townies on Day 1, going into night 1. Let's count them off, shall we?1. Askthepizzaguy, starting townie vigilante complementing mason tagger.2. Askthepizzaguy's starting townie detective mason partner (OH YEAH *bunnies* I AM CHOCK FULL OF MAGIC BAGS) - pause for extreme emphasis of the above two very important data points
3. Townie converter that you all know exists due to Pleonast claiming third party and ending up townie and therefore cannot be anything except a starting townie converter's doing. [ Colby, to a degree of nigh certainty, and this person should be protected via the Mercenary without question because townie mason pizzaguy effing said so and don't bother arguing with me about it.] 4. Claimed townie converter who is not counterclaimed who knows he has a backup townie converter which means what? This is a starting townie role. That would be impossible to be a third party role. 5. GUIRI the town doctor (deceased) If I'm not mistaken, town would begin the game with a doctor. So Either Guiri was the starting doctor or someone else is. Colby can answer that question, I can't seem to find it. That leaves starting townie roles number 6 and number 7. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to who they are? 6. Red Skeezix, most likely, for reporting how many folks we have with his magic bag of magic bagness. That information is utterly vital to the town, and fairly useless to third parties. Or maybe he's just really awesome and friendly in his nonhostile third partyness but I dunno, davey. 7. JustBeingGinger's role?Wherefor art thou town vigilante whose role I complement and thus probably exists? Don't answer that, town vigilante whose role I complement. And if you folks don't believe Red Skeezix, then you also believe he is lying to you on purpose and therefore he's hostile to someone and needs to die. So you either believe Red Skeezix or you need to kill him. And if you believe Red Skeezix then you need to kill folks who claim to be starting townies who are not so. The two cannot both be townies, and it's impossible for one of them to be a nonhostile third party. And if you don't believe me, wait a while. I'll be very dead soon enough. What with being a townie mason who can report his detective partner's results like a boss.So, new rules going forward: 1. Parzival dies. 2. You do not trust JustBeingGinger unless extraordinary evidence is presented that she is a *starting* townie role. I for one do not believe it, but what do I know. 3. Mercenary protects Colby until I or my mason partner says not to. 4. If you do not follow these rules then you are saying I am scum, so prove it and lynch me. One point of (possible) correction... Your Town Role #4 may not exist. Recall that scathach was a "Nonhostile Third-Party Back-Up". It's quite possible that he was the Town Recruiter's backup, and that he would have become Town at the point at which he inherited his powers. A Third Party Backup makes no sense unless he is 'recruited'.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 10, 2012 12:17:19 GMT -5
That would be this post. Nobody uses quotes around BBCode URLs anymore, so I don't even know why I did that.I'm sorry, but I do not do subtlety very well. What exactly is the breadcrumb there?
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Post by patricia on Oct 10, 2012 12:36:29 GMT -5
More claims - Hell can you make it any easier for the scum? town has been lined up for the firing squad - all neat and tied with a bow.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 10, 2012 12:46:06 GMT -5
Well, at least it sounds like we'll have some hard data soon. I'll give Parzival's posts a re-read but at this time I'd lean toward him being the one to go, with the caveat that if he flips as Hostile Third Party there would still be a chance that Pizza & Co are a different sort of Hostile Third Party, along with the possible bussing angle. Just trying to keep that in mind. ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies - Something about her makes me think she's trying to get at something, while holding information back. Pretty sure such qualities are present in every living player in the game who has not yet claimed.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 10, 2012 12:47:50 GMT -5
Scum only have one nightkill between them, usually so between ATPG, Parz, Colby, JBG, Red and uh any others that have slipped my mind, they can't kill everyone. Who they choose will tell us things. They may even choose to ignore the claims and go hunting for a role that strikes them as more dangerous to scum in which case, the truthtellers will have another night to gather info.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 10, 2012 12:50:31 GMT -5
More claims - Hell can you make it any easier for the scum? town has been lined up for the firing squad - all neat and tied with a bow. As someone already said, Pizza has been sporting his bag that keeps your pizza hot for some time, and Parzival was called out. The laying of cards on the table was inevitable in order for people to make an informed decision. Now anyone with Night Actions can make informed decisions too, not just the lynch mob Tomorrow.
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Post by patricia on Oct 10, 2012 13:06:59 GMT -5
Maybe it is just that I'm new to the game but I don't see how claiming town will help town - If the numbers are correct we started with 7 townies and 5 scum - yes the scum can only kill one per night but if they have claimed town to hit each night they win in 7 days as town has 7 or so days to lynch the 5 scum and so far... nada nothing... I just don't see how claiming town is a good move for town - having the scum blindly doing their night killing in the town/3rd party group would be better.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 10, 2012 13:11:03 GMT -5
Third party hostile is another name for scum. The expectation here is that all enemies of town are subject to the lynch. The lynch is town's final and strongest power and while it may not always be easy to eliminate a player via the lynch, it should be possible. Were the vigilante and other killing roles to be eliminated early on through bad luck, town would be screwed through no fault of its own and in the case of eliminating the mafia through good play. just kind of wandering through the thread. pizza sure seems kind of sure of himself. kind of like when the chicago tribune announced that dewey had defeated truman. but i don't agree that third party equates to scum. typically (and i understand this is gasterd) their wincons may be miles apart. scum typically just have to have the same number as town whereas 3rd parties may just need to live a certain lenght of time, get so and so killed, etc.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 10, 2012 13:15:01 GMT -5
But I don't care about their wincons except to the end that I need to frustrate them. From the point of view of town, whether it's a third party or scum, if it's hostile, it needs to die. From a mathematical point of view, the two are equivalent.
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