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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 12:32:07 GMT -5
i thought kidv allegedly protected himself with the merc power. and i know this is magic baggy. but i have every reason to believe that the merc is an additional power granted to the highest bidder and not a specific person in this game. That is what KidV said, but considering he was Third Party Hostile, and the forensic insight we now have, I think it is unwise to just assume that he was being truthful.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2012 12:32:46 GMT -5
I never claimed to be Third Party. I always stated that I am town and you can lynch me all you would like. I am telling the truth. My mistake. You first claimed to be Town but Non-Hostile, which is impossible, then later claimed to be Town Hostile. I remembered that you had admitted to editing your PM, but had forgotten the nature of the edit.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 16, 2012 12:33:38 GMT -5
A couple other things from the "Stuff we choose to believe for no really good reason" peeker claims that if he keeps getting killed, he'll keep coming back. Ginger claims she can't be lynched, ever. We've tested both of these claims once, but there's no particular reason to believe that either of them would survive a second time. Ginger claimed at first to be Third-Party, then to be Town. peeker has never claimed an alignment, a designation, or anything else beyond a name, and we were given no additional information during the brief time he was dead. I'm not advocating that we test either of these claims Today, but they do both make be a bit uneasy. I never claimed to be Third Party. I always stated that I am town and you can lynch me all you would like. I am telling the truth. Kilroy speaks the truth, one mouse could never eat it all. Ginger, your last line here just moved my ...... I like you better as a player for your last line there. You have a spark of something there.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 16, 2012 12:36:21 GMT -5
Do we know who won the merc bid on night 0 ?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 12:36:33 GMT -5
i thought kidv allegedly protected himself with the merc power. and i know this is magic baggy. but i have every reason to believe that the merc is an additional power granted to the highest bidder and not a specific person in this game. So the merc is NOT a second person, but ..... What could be seen as a .... Personality / identity of the same person. DID / Multiple Personality. This coming from the player who has consistently stated he is two people..... One of which is a merc. Try reading my questions/observations about the Merc, Meeko. I fear that you and Peeker together might have disasterous and distracting results.
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Post by patricia on Oct 16, 2012 12:37:50 GMT -5
I think the merc is attached to someone role - maybe like sleepwalking at night so the person won't know they are the merc but if that person is lynched or nightkilled - we will all lose a vote and the chance to hire the merc to do are bidding - also remember the merc can to other things then kill to choices were posted on day 2 if I remember correctly
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 12:38:42 GMT -5
Do we know who won the merc bid on night 0 ? Assumedly KidV, as he begged us not to let him get lynched on Day 1 because he bid so high, and no one countered him.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 16, 2012 12:40:29 GMT -5
So the merc is NOT a second person, but ..... What could be seen as a .... Personality / identity of the same person. DID / Multiple Personality. This coming from the player who has consistently stated he is two people..... One of which is a merc. Try reading my questions/observations about the Merc, Meeko. I fear that you and Peeker together might have disasterous and distracting results. Peeker and Meeko get distr.....oh hey look at that! Sorry I got distracted there, where was I? ..acted a lot. I thought everyone knew this. Sorry, just felt that as Peeker just made that "magic baggy" post, we needed to be reminded that he had the entire I am ironman / dead pool thing going on.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 12:43:19 GMT -5
I think the merc is attached to someone role - maybe like sleepwalking at night so the person won't know they are the merc but if that person is lynched or nightkilled - we will all lose a vote and the chance to hire the merc to do are bidding - also remember the merc can to other things then kill to choices were posted on day 2 if I remember correctly But those choices are the winner's choices. Not the Merc's. It would still be a shitty role to play unless it is a really complicated role with a double life AND Merc actions being exempt from every getting busted by a Tracker or Watcher, etc.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 16, 2012 12:43:47 GMT -5
Speaking of protections, how do you know that guiri protected peeker that Night? Where did I say that guiri protected peeker? I'm postulating that the redirect could not have simply grabbed all the actions or it would have grabbed guiri's protect that I'm sure he was using and applied it to Peeker. Since Peeker did die N1, we can assume that didn't happen. Either no one who had protective abilities used them which is untenable or the redirect did not redirect all actions N1. I've only used the freeze ray because so far I've wanted my kills to have a clear antecedence and there's no in-game benefit to switching tools.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2012 12:44:30 GMT -5
i thought kidv allegedly protected himself with the merc power. and i know this is magic baggy. but i have every reason to believe that the merc is an additional power granted to the highest bidder and not a specific person in this game. That is what KidV said, but considering he was Third Party Hostile, and the forensic insight we now have, I think it is unwise to just assume that he was being truthful. So if KidV used the Merc to perform a kill on Night 1, he could have been responsible for peeker's being either decapitated or brain-melted, and if the Merc is simply a game mechanic and not a player he wouldn't have been seen by Meeko, so either dizzymrslizzy or Silver Jan might be telling the truth. Silver Jan claims to have been redirected to peeker, while dizzymrslizzy claims to have targeted peeker directly. If we assume that only kills were redirected, that makes Jan the liar and dizzy a Tracker. Or not.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 16, 2012 12:45:05 GMT -5
Do we know who won the merc bid on night 0 ? Assumedly KidV, as he begged us not to let him get lynched on Day 1 because he bid so high, and no one countered him. Just wondering if Peeker has an interaction with this, or won the bid outright.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 12:47:52 GMT -5
And the Merc could be ordered to kill him/herself so...yeah it just feels more like a mechanic and not a role, but how do you read a Gastard's mind?
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 16, 2012 12:48:06 GMT -5
Unvote InnerStickler Vote DizzyMrsLizzy[/b][/color]
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Post by Meeko on Oct 16, 2012 12:49:00 GMT -5
Speaking of protections, how do you know that guiri protected peeker that Night? Where did I say that guiri protected peeker? I'm postulating that the redirect could not have simply grabbed all the actions or it would have grabbed guiri's protect that I'm sure he was using and applied it to Peeker. Since Peeker did die N1, we can assume that didn't happen. Either no one who had protective abilities used them which is untenable or the redirect did not redirect all actions N1. I've only used the freeze ray because so far I've wanted my kills to have a clear antecedence and there's no in-game benefit to switching tools. So why do have the other tools then?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 16, 2012 12:50:23 GMT -5
Because I can only assume that Pollux, Kid's sig aside, is a proponent of fun.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 12:50:37 GMT -5
That is what KidV said, but considering he was Third Party Hostile, and the forensic insight we now have, I think it is unwise to just assume that he was being truthful. So if KidV used the Merc to perform a kill on Night 1, he could have been responsible for peeker's being either decapitated or brain-melted, and if the Merc is simply a game mechanic and not a player he wouldn't have been seen by Meeko, so either dizzymrslizzy or Silver Jan might be telling the truth. Silver Jan claims to have been redirected to peeker, while dizzymrslizzy claims to have targeted peeker directly. If we assume that only kills were redirected, that makes Jan the liar and dizzy a Tracker. Or not. That's my thinking too. With one additional theory based on the fact that Guiri the Town Doc won the Merc on Night 2, and was killed before he could use it, and that was the Night that there was no brains seen oozing, it is really tempting to see the Merc as the brain-melter.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 12:52:32 GMT -5
Gah damn delayed mechanics.
Guiri won the Merc on Night 1 so that the Merc's powers cold be used on Night 2, is what I meant.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 16, 2012 12:55:48 GMT -5
Speaking of protections, how do you know that guiri protected peeker that Night? Where did I say that guiri protected peeker? I'm postulating that the redirect could not have simply grabbed all the actions or it would have grabbed guiri's protect that I'm sure he was using and applied it to Peeker. Since Peeker did die N1, we can assume that didn't happen. Either no one who had protective abilities used them which is untenable or the redirect did not redirect all actions N1. OK...I had to go through that about five times before it finally clicked. I originally read "or else the redirect would have caught guiri's doc protect" as you saying that the doc had protected peeker directly for some reason.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 16, 2012 12:55:53 GMT -5
Day 4 Updated Vote Count
Silver Jan (16 votes) - CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, BillMc, askthepizzaguy, Merestil Haye, Inner Stickler, Red Skeezix, crys, Sister Coyote, Rich Beckman, sinjin, JustBeingGinger, peekercpa, Lightfoot, Suburban Plankton, Colby11, gnarlycharlie dizzymrslizzy (11 votes) - Meeko, Colby11, Inner Stickler, CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies, Suburban Plankton, Red Skeezix, crys, Rich Beckman, JustBeingGinger, peekercpa, askthepizzaguy CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies (2 votes) - gnarlycharlie, storyteller0910 Inner Stickler (2 vote) - BillMc, dizzymrslizzy peekercpa (2 votes) - Penalty Vote, Penalty Vote Meeko (1 vote) - dizzymrslizzy askthepizzaguy (1 vote) - Meeko gnarlycharlie (1 vote) - Silver Jan Suburban Plankton (1 vote) - Sister Coyote Merestil Haye (1 vote) - Lightfoot
With these votes, Silver Jan will be lynched.
Day ends in ~5 minutes.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 12:58:17 GMT -5
Unvote InnerSticklerVote DizzyMrsLizzy [/b][/color][/quote] As that just makes the margin tighter, do you have thoughts on the possibly paranoid theory that Meeko may have only caught 2 killing roles instead of 3, and that one of Silver Jan or Dizzy could be an innocent, or at least someone who visited Peeker non-violently and of their own choosing?
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Post by Pollux Oil on Oct 16, 2012 13:05:51 GMT -5
Day's over. Night up soon.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 20:19:17 GMT -5
i thought kidv allegedly protected himself with the merc power. and i know this is magic baggy. but i have every reason to believe that the merc is an additional power granted to the highest bidder and not a specific person in this game. 3. Should The Mercenary, whoever they are, get killed before they complete their mission, you will (rightfully, because you're really the one true mercenary goshdangit!) take over their powers but not their win condition when you are live. It will also be publically stated that you've taken over working as the Mercenary should this event happen. But, if the first of the above statements from Peeker is correct, then when Guiri was killed, since he possessed the winning bid for the Merc at the time that he died and before it could be used, he would have embodied the entity of the Merc and Peeker's Clause 3 would have gone into effect. So in light of this information from Peeker, I'm inclined to change my WAG as to how the Merc works and that the Merc is actually a player, and not merely a mechanic/power that moves from person to person. What I don't understand is why Peeker is interpreting his PM the way he is.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 21:49:29 GMT -5
Peeker, I think I finally grok what you're saying, but I don't know how much I trust it, (or you ) since that 3rd bullet point from your PM says 'killed' and not 'lynched' My ever-evolving theory based on trial and error of understanding Peeker: 1) The Merc is embodied by whomever wins the bid, not one particular player. 2) If the winning bidder gets lynched, either by their own bid votes or the consensus of the Town, then Peeker's Merc Replacement Clause kicks in. Guiri was the winning bidder, but he was killed by a Daykill, not a lynch, ergo no Replacement Clause.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 16, 2012 21:49:58 GMT -5
Fucking hell. Too many tabs open.
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