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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 12, 2012 9:24:06 GMT -5
<font style="font-size: 12px; "> Yesterday at 7:57pm, crys wrote:<table cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" class="quote" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td width="100%"> No I am not saying I broke a promise. I'm saying I shouldn't have trusted him because he was hostile 3rd party. I did however keep my word.
</td></tr></tbody></table> A. I call Dirty Pool. Screenshots are bad form. B. It doesn't prove anything. Since you could have sent that PM to yourself. Next: A question. What info do we want today? Scum, Town, Recruitable third parties? I think I know what I want, but I'd like to know what you (all) want. I might ignore you, but feel free to make a case to sway my opinion. Post-Next: More info (Thanks to who ever gave me the bump). Inner Stickler and BillMc are not recruitable third parties. They could be town, scum or third party, but they are not both recruitable and third party at the same time. Does that make sense? Post-Post Next: I want to lynch Ginger again. Also, if she comes up scum then I want to lynch storyteller. I still want to lynch crys too. I'm not sure what story and ginger have to do with each other. Explain why you think if one then the other. I am not clear on what your power does; if you don't want to explain further that's fine, but you're saying you're able to determine the status of two players as far as their recruitability goes, or get head counts? I'm posting this from my tablet; apologies for not. Trimming the quote.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 12, 2012 11:32:08 GMT -5
Where did everybody went?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 12, 2012 11:49:51 GMT -5
I'd also like to learn the # of Townies, though checking for the # of Scum again might provide a clue as to whether they can recruit.
Weekend Warrior time for me again. Today we tackle the wall with the niches. I will get online again this evening though. Now that KidV is gone and my suspicion of Colby has waned, I need to find new objects of derision and distrust.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 12, 2012 11:51:07 GMT -5
Dunno about the others but the internet went down for about half a day yesterday which pretty much kneecapped me since pretty much all the work I do is online so I've been feeling like I should focus on real work a little more than usual this day.
I don't have anything in my PM that says I'm recruitable or not but I'd be very surprised if I was.
I'm also wondering if the scum kill ran afoul of a roleblocker or protective role and that kidv was not killed by scum but another party. Possibly the merc? If pizzaguy, JBG, and Colby are all telling the truth, I'd expect one of them to have been the target, not kidv.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 12, 2012 13:32:36 GMT -5
I'm also wondering if the scum kill ran afoul of a roleblocker or protective role and that kidv was not killed by scum but another party. Possibly the merc? If pizzaguy, JBG, and Colby are all telling the truth, I'd expect one of them to have been the target, not kidv. Maybe a redirector of some kind? I do agree with you, if I was scum I would kill one of either Ginger, Pizza, or myself.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 12, 2012 13:48:02 GMT -5
<snip> I'm also wondering if the scum kill ran afoul of a roleblocker or protective role and that kidv was not killed by scum but another party. Possibly the merc? If pizzaguy, JBG, and Colby are all telling the truth, I'd expect one of them to have been the target, not kidv. I do not know why they would target JustBeingGinger. She is as likely to let a Scum off the hook as a Town, and she does not represent much of a short term threat to Scum. AskThePizzaGuy and Colby11 might well be protected (or Scum worries that they are...clearly Scum have been blocked on at least one Night). There are possibly as many as five parties capable of a night kill. Only two players were killed last night. So it seems reasonable that there was some blocking protection going on. On the other hand, since a Scum was killed via the broken frozen body, it seems likely that those kills are not Scum kills. Except for the brains leaking out the ears, all other methods of killing have only appeared once. It has only been three nights so the sample size is rather small. Two killings, Peeker and KidVermicious, have utilized the brains leaking out the ears. [PURE SPECULATION] I think those are the Scum kills. Peeker was announced as Deadpool and Parcival might have obtained KidV's role name (The Demon). KidV would be a logical target for the investigation given what he bid on the merc. Scum might have targeted them just on the basis of the role names. Hostile 3rd Party is as much hostile to Scum as to Town. The three other methods have only been used once. If one of them is the Scum kill, then the Scum must be a bit frustrated (although if the leaking brains is the Scum kill, then they have two kills, but only one dead since Peeker came back, so either way they are not doing too good it would seem. Nice, especially since Town is not doing all that well with our lynches). [/PURE SPECULATION]
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 12, 2012 14:07:55 GMT -5
I believe JBG has intimated that her death would result in reduced info lynches. Scum are usually looking for ways to hobble town's ability to put things together.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 12, 2012 15:00:27 GMT -5
I believe JBG has intimated that her death would result in reduced info lynches. Scum are usually looking for ways to hobble town's ability to put things together. This is true! This is the primary reason that I edited my PM in the beginning and took that power out, I knew if I had left it in, scum at that point in the game would want me dead... Also, for what it is worth, I pee'd blue last night.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 12, 2012 15:09:31 GMT -5
Holy Sh*t I'm still alive.... And so is Pizza... And Ginger.... Ginger and Cheese Pizza party! 1) Colby still alive due to Pizza making it a rule that Colby gets defended by the Mercenary during the night, so help you townies. 2) Pizza still alive due to Pizza asking any and all Watchers to Watch Pizza so scum killer gets ID'ed if tries to kill outed masonic Pizzaman. 3) Pizza understands mafia tactics.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 12, 2012 15:10:03 GMT -5
Also, if it's true that we have a small number of town and scum and a host of recruitable third parties, it's possible that their wincon is to outnumber town by half rather than control the lynch as the nonhostile third parties win with whomever and the hostile ones have their own wincons to work out. In which case an admitted townie would be a good target for a scum kill.
The big hole in this theory is that the evidence does not appear to support it. Rats.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 12, 2012 15:13:30 GMT -5
Assuming, of course, that whoever has control of the merc is amenable to Colby living and that they trust Pizza. And we still don't know where Red is getting his answers from or why. If scum have a similar/the same avenue they may ask how many watchers the town has and can adjust appropriately.
But by all means, continue your unabashed self-congratulatory party. It doesn't look tacky at all.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 12, 2012 15:27:53 GMT -5
Holy Sh*t I'm still alive.... And so is Pizza... And Ginger.... Ginger and Cheese Pizza party! 1) Colby still alive due to Pizza making it a rule that Colby gets defended by the Mercenary during the night, so help you townies. 2) Pizza still alive due to Pizza asking any and all Watchers to Watch Pizza so scum killer gets ID'ed if tries to kill outed masonic Pizzaman. 3) Pizza understands mafia tactics. 1) pizza seem to be nice guy 2) pizza be full of himself 3) ask opalso apparantly, based on some of you other musings that scum have an rb. you have made it clear who town is based on your conclusions. you honestly don't think that if scum believe you are right that they wouldn't rb into the fairly small pool of non masonic townies. i mean even if they guess wrong which is hovering at about 1 out of three then they know where to go the next Night. and shit at the pace we are killing off non scum whose to say that they don't just take a wild swing and a one for one is a good thing. and if they actually park it then sayonara you townies.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 12, 2012 15:29:16 GMT -5
I believe JBG has intimated that her death would result in reduced info lynches. Scum are usually looking for ways to hobble town's ability to put things together. This is true! This is the primary reason that I edited my PM in the beginning and took that power out, I knew if I had left it in, scum at that point in the game would want me dead... Also, for what it is worth, I pee'd blue last night. Well, I was not specifically told I was roleblocked last night. So I can't say this is impossibles. But I don't know if you pee blue or not. I do know this: The town vigilante is now free to attack you, as it will risk the town absolutely nothing. But I admit to softening my view on whether or not they should. I think it is their call. If they think I am completely off my rocker about you, they're free to target someone else. Since me and my partner are auto-tagged at the start of the game, the vig is also free to attack me or blindly fire, might hit my partner but my partner would survive it so it doesn't matter. I also think this particular vigilante is competent enough not to try and hit Colby. __________________________________ I have no conclusive evidence that any one particular person must die today. As such, I am calling for a Townie/Nonhostile Convention Nomination-est Extravanganza-thon '012Purpose: Putting everyone in the game on record with actual game-solving thoughts. Eliminating folks who refuse to play. Flushing out scumbags based on their fake attempts to solve the game. How this is accomplished: What I propose folks do, is for the first half of the round, we all (Emphasis on ALL ) take turns nominating folks we would like to see die. If a person has been nominated, they can be "seconded", but after that, it is important that someone else gets nominated. There are four scumbags remaining, not counting hostile third parties. As such, the way we generate usable data is if folks point fingers at the actual scumbags and see how others react. 1) If you point a finger at a scumbag, and we find out they're scum, you will be tagged and the vigilante can hit you.1a) If you are townie, you will be vindicated 1b) If you are scum, so help you, I am aware of bussing. Do it and you die, and this is how it will happen IMMEDIATELY. 2) If you are a scumbag and must point a finger at a townie, this is how the townie will become aware that you're full of shit, because they know you're pointing an incorrect finger at them. 2a) The more people you point at incorrectly, the more folks want to lynch you. 2b) If you don't point fingers at anyone, I ask the vigilante to kill you immediately without any tag at all. Precisely halfway through the round, the nomination process ends, and we vote for someone who has been nominated, and we discuss thoroughly the merits of killing anyone who has been nominated twice. That means you can switch your vote or place your second vote. You don't have to try to kill someone you nominated. Though I will take note of that fact. Then, in order to protect whoever made a play for the Mercenary, we should dogpile the lead candidate. Who you nominate, whether you participate in this "request" on my part, who you ultimately vote for, this is all up to you. But myself, my mason partner, and the town as a whole, would think much more of the folks who do participate in the Nomination process. It is a pro-town way of tackling our problems, lacking a detective-sniffed-out suspect which I won't have until tonight which is too late for today anyway. At at the last: Pretty please. It would help me sniff out the bullshit a lot faster. You're helping me help you.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 12, 2012 15:31:08 GMT -5
But by all means, continue your unabashed self-congratulatory party. It doesn't look tacky at all. Sorry. I thought keeping the town recruiter alive, and the conduit to the hidden mason detective alive, and seeing a deceased scumbag were three very productive things. Apparently I am dead weight on this team. Please, by all means point out what I have done wrong this game.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 12, 2012 15:32:45 GMT -5
Hey, I already have a vote down, so you know who I think should die. I'm also looking a little squinty-eyed at BillMc who's been a little too quiet this game for my liking...but who hasn't done anything to Set Me Off, either. But by all means, continue your unabashed self-congratulatory party. It doesn't look tacky at all. He did help catch us a Scum. I'd say that allows him leeway for a little tack.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 12, 2012 15:32:51 GMT -5
By all means, lecture me about looking tacky instead of, you know, doing anything of value whatsoever.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 12, 2012 15:34:56 GMT -5
and colby is alive because the merc (whotheheckever) decided to protect him and that the town watcher decided to watch you and so scum decided to kill kidv instead all the while not rb'ing the merc or the town watcher. shit there are only so many places to put the pieces, right? fuck if scum are that stupid no wonder they are so getting killed in this game. oops, maybe i need to go back and look at the relative number of deaths.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 12, 2012 15:38:23 GMT -5
Inner Stickler, I'm calling you out on being little more than the muppet that sits up there heckling the other muppets.
Nominate / Vote: Inner Stickler until you can explain to me what value you have in this game.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 12, 2012 15:39:56 GMT -5
Hey, I already have a vote down, so you know who I think should die. I'm also looking a little squinty-eyed at BillMc who's been a little too quiet this game for my liking...but who hasn't done anything to Set Me Off, either. But by all means, continue your unabashed self-congratulatory party. It doesn't look tacky at all. He did help catch us a Scum. I'd say that allows him leeway for a little tack. heh heh. yee of little memory. story stole the original by being an all around know it all dick and bussing his scum teammates left and right. and pizza is smart enough to know that marzipan was getting close to going no matter what. might as well hop on and hope you get some cred.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 12, 2012 15:40:16 GMT -5
and colby is alive because the merc (whotheheckever) decided to protect him and that the town watcher decided to watch you and so scum decided to kill kidv instead all the while not rb'ing the merc or the town watcher. shit there are only so many places to put the pieces, right? fuck if scum are that stupid no wonder they are so getting killed in this game. oops, maybe i need to go back and look at the relative number of deaths. Be a pretty snazzy trick to roleblock the town watcher when they don't know who it is. Also seems kinda stupid not to just kill said town watcher. When and if that happens, I'll worry.
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 12, 2012 15:43:01 GMT -5
He did help catch us a Scum. I'd say that allows him leeway for a little tack. You are correct that he accused Parzival of being scum and that has been shown to be accurate. He is claiming that his partner is a detective and learned Parzival's alignment and that is how they know. All perfectly sensible. He is also claiming that Colby is alive because pizzaguy is so persuasive that no matter who controls the merc, they're going to use it to protect colby and that whatever watchers may exist are keeping tabs on anyone who visits him. These claims are not proven nor has he announced a mechanism by which he could be conceivably informed of them, therefore he's talking out his ass. Should he accuse another player of being scum, I'll be very interested in the result. His continued insistence that he's the reason colby and himself are still alive because he's just that awesome? Unproven and arrogant. I can handle one or the other right now, but not both.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 12, 2012 15:44:09 GMT -5
pizza is smart enough to know that marzipan was getting close to going no matter what. might as well hop on and hope you get some cred. Have a bunny, you caught me.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 12, 2012 15:45:31 GMT -5
He did help catch us a Scum. I'd say that allows him leeway for a little tack. You are correct that he accused Parzival of being scum and that has been shown to be accurate. He is claiming that his partner is a detective and learned Parzival's alignment and that is how they know. All perfectly sensible. He is also claiming that Colby is alive because pizzaguy is so persuasive that no matter who controls the merc, they're going to use it to protect colby and that whatever watchers may exist are keeping tabs on anyone who visits him. These claims are not proven nor has he announced a mechanism by which he could be conceivably informed of them, therefore he's talking out his ass. Should he accuse another player of being scum, I'll be very interested in the result. His continued insistence that he's the reason colby and himself are still alive because he's just that awesome? Unproven and arrogant. I can handle one or the other right now, but not both. Maybe you can accuse some scumbags and then be called arrogant. Maybe you can insist we not lynch the town detective and then be called arrogant. Maybe you can do anything at all.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 12, 2012 15:45:57 GMT -5
Inner Stickler, I'm calling you out on being little more than the muppet that sits up there heckling the other muppets. Nominate / Vote: Inner Stickler until you can explain to me what value you have in this game. like this? www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKXlhpeb6wI
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Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 12, 2012 15:48:09 GMT -5
Maybe you can accuse some scumbags and then be called arrogant. Maybe you can insist we not lynch the town detective and then be called arrogant. Maybe you can do anything at all. I'm pretty sure I did insist we not lynch the town detective, so...
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 12, 2012 16:08:43 GMT -5
and colby is alive because the merc (whotheheckever) decided to protect him and that the town watcher decided to watch you and so scum decided to kill kidv instead all the while not rb'ing the merc or the town watcher. shit there are only so many places to put the pieces, right? fuck if scum are that stupid no wonder they are so getting killed in this game. oops, maybe i need to go back and look at the relative number of deaths. Be a pretty snazzy trick to roleblock the town watcher when they don't know who it is. Also seems kinda stupid not to just kill said town watcher. When and if that happens, I'll worry. but pizza if we are to believe you and the various slots that certain folks fill based on the number of town that skeezy gave us then there aren't a shit load of folks left. that was my point. and if in fact colby was being protected by the merc then as scum i would just fire away and hope that i get lucky on blocking a watcher (which no one has fessed to and may not even exist). shit at this point the way town is going one for one seems a win for scum not the other way around. and while i don't have shit load of skin in this game i can still impact the way it turns out. and right now my b.s.o'meter (patent pending) is hovering between orange and red for you. but to be truthful it's pretty much the same for the rest of these fine folks as well. capiche.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 12, 2012 16:12:03 GMT -5
ok. pizza i'll play if for no other reason to stir some stuff up.
you want four scum and/or hostiles, right?
ginger inner pizza colby and kind of a 4b cookies
help at all?
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Post by crys on Oct 12, 2012 16:50:16 GMT -5
No I am not saying I broke a promise. I'm saying I shouldn't have trusted him because he was hostile 3rd party. I did however keep my word. A. I call Dirty Pool. Screenshots are bad form. B. It doesn't prove anything. Since you could have sent that PM to yourself. Next: A question. What info do we want today? Scum, Town, Recruitable third parties? I think I know what I want, but I'd like to know what you (all) want. I might ignore you, but feel free to make a case to sway my opinion. Post-Next: More info (Thanks to who ever gave me the bump). Inner Stickler and BillMc are not recruitable third parties. They could be town, scum or third party, but they are not both recruitable and third party at the same time. Does that make sense? Post-Post Next: I want to lynch Ginger again. Also, if she comes up scum then I want to lynch storyteller. I still want to lynch crys too. Well I didn't send it to myself. It never even occured to me to try. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 12, 2012 17:53:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind seeing a M Haye lynch. Lightfoot (I think) made a compelling case against him... But why put your case at EoD?
Get rid of both of them! (Honestly I have no clue at the moment)
Vote MHaye vote Lightfoot
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Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 12, 2012 18:04:26 GMT -5
heh heh. yee of little memory. story stole the original by being an all around know it all dick and bussing his scum teammates left and right. and pizza is smart enough to know that marzipan was getting close to going no matter what. might as well hop on and hope you get some cred. They zapped my brain, peeks (well, okay, not my actual brain but in the area of my brain: of course I have no memory. I don't follow. To my knowledge, Parz was not on anybody's radar except mine, on Day One, and I'd backed off on Day Two because I wasn't sure anymore. So how was he getting close to going?
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