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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 13, 2012 12:01:37 GMT -5
Well, I think we should look at Gnarly Charlie, I'm not good at making cases but he has been real quiet this game and that wasn't his style in the last game In Marathon, gnarlycharlie had 42 posts over 11 Day/Night cycles. In this game he has made 25 posts over 3 Day/Night cycles. If anything, he should be suspicious because he is posting so much (but keep in mind there is more to talk about here). I have not reviewed his posts as of yet, so I have no opinion on gnarlycharlie (as yet).
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 13, 2012 12:01:57 GMT -5
Colby Can/will you respond to my post 94 ? You’ve affirmed that your vote stays but you’ve not painted any pretty pictures to go along with. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I intended to do this there too and spaced it Vote: MHaye For reasons I stated earlier and he has not posted a thing since
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Post by sinjin on Oct 13, 2012 13:08:57 GMT -5
Hi; sorry I've not been around the past couple of days. I've been visiting my Mom (84) and expected it to be very low-key. NOT! But things are stable now and I am in an airport waiting to go home. Will try to catch up while the plane is delayed.....again.
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Post by sinjin on Oct 13, 2012 13:25:15 GMT -5
Well that didn't take long @redskeez: I would ask how many town Masons started the game. Sorry Pizza, I know you gave us Parz on a platter, but I was a speculator in the Blade Runner game and was a PFK. In that game my partner and I came out all townie with information on who was town. I'm not ready to vote yet need to reread and that will have to wait til tomorrow, unless this delay is delayed again.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Oct 13, 2012 13:31:59 GMT -5
Well, I think we should look at Gnarly Charlie, I'm not good at making cases but he has been real quiet this game and that wasn't his style in the last game Usually he is quiet... But I don't remember him saying much if at all in here yes, i'm usually quiet. would you believe i'm more talkative than i used to be? but if you're referring to Marathon Mafia, i was actually more quiet than usual then. Well, I think we should look at Gnarly Charlie, I'm not good at making cases but he has been real quiet this game and that wasn't his style in the last game I'd prefer you back this with a vote, but oh well. Vote: gnarly why, thank you. very nice of you to back up Patricia's suspicion with your own vote. you are truly a generous person. that said here are my thoughts: 1. i agree KidV's death was likely the scum kill. the other was a vig-type kill. 2. Pizza is right that we can try to solve the game by using Red's information, assuming of course that the latter is being honest. for now i will trust Red's claims but not necessarily believe he's town. unless we have another scum count we can't be truly be sure of how many scum are left. there is some recruitment in this game. 3. i further opine that Pizza is not necessarily town either, possibly 3rd party non-hostile. he could have a wincon requiring either "mason" to survive up to the end. the powers he claims sound unusual for a mason pairing. a mason's main "power" is to know a fellow townie and be known to be town by that townie. having all these powers point to a need to do more than just win with town as masons do. furthermore, in a game this size, i'd expect more masons, maybe three not just two. that makes room for others to be town. 4. i still find Ginger suspicious but will look elsewhere toDay. Cookies strikes me as someone who is in the game and posts often enough but doesn't make waves. this is a common tactic by scum so i will reread her posts. i'm going to look at Colby too. was his town recruitment role claimed or assumed. i can't recall. if it was the latter perhaps Colby is Pizza's partner. 5. Bill is often missing for several days at a time. he travels a lot so i would say that his absence is a null tell.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Oct 13, 2012 13:36:01 GMT -5
Well that didn't take long @redskeez: I would ask how many town Masons started the game. Sorry Pizza, I know you gave us Parz on a platter, but I was a speculator in the Blade Runner game and was a PFK. In that game my partner and I came out all townie with information on who was town. I'm not ready to vote yet need to reread and that will have to wait til tomorrow, unless this delay is delayed again. i would like to know the answer too and i hope he has the answer. of course i wouldn't be shocked if the answer is "none."
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 13, 2012 13:57:31 GMT -5
Well that didn't take long @redskeez: I would ask how many town Masons started the game. Sorry Pizza, I know you gave us Parz on a platter, but I was a speculator in the Blade Runner game and was a PFK. In that game my partner and I came out all townie with information on who was town. I'm not ready to vote yet need to reread and that will have to wait til tomorrow, unless this delay is delayed again. That would be a good question- although I wonder if that is something that would be answered?
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Post by Merestil Haye on Oct 13, 2012 14:10:32 GMT -5
Evening all.
I've been laying low because I was laid low. It was only a cold rather than flu, but it left me with very low concentration in the evenings, and I didn't want to start something that required too much brainpower.
Anyway, I'm back enough that I'm able to tangle with N3.
Before I start that, I wish to note that, subject to other evidence emerging on reread, I don't think we should be lynching Ginger. Once, to test her claim, maybe. Twice? No. We made that mistake in Dr. Horrible mafia, when we had an unlynchable player - in Pleo, who else?
My opinion is that Ginger is most probably town. My gut says that ATPG isn't. primarily because his activity is reminescent of his play in a Giraffe board Mafia when he rang rings around the Townies with this sort of uber-Town posting. He needs a review, so after I've caught up I'll start on him.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 13, 2012 16:53:52 GMT -5
@lightfoot
I feel like your post near EOD is more of a "hey, I am scum hunting here" instead of laying low.
True, I do know that the last person who I have attempted to recruit is still alive, but I do not know if my recruitments were successful at all. For all I know, we could have 8 town, to as few as 5 town.
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Post by crys on Oct 13, 2012 21:17:15 GMT -5
Where did everybody went? Oh sorry I was repeatedly banging my head against my computer desk because for the life of me I cannot muddle through this game at all. I had started to think I had gotten used to some of you and how you play and then once the gastardliness of this game got thrown in all bets went out the window. Several of you I have seen to be quite logical in the past but are making all kinds of assumptions and letting things that make me go "HELLO THIS ISN"T RIGHT!" slide right on by. Even though no one is voting me right now I am still frustrated because I don't get what has happened.... I mean Meeko is voting with no reason??.....Am I in the twilight zone? I am going to have to go and re read everything from the beginning in the morning when my brain is fresh cause I sure as hell can't handle it now.
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 13, 2012 21:36:27 GMT -5
@lightfoot I feel like your post near EOD is more of a "hey, I am scum hunting here" instead of laying low. True, I do know that the last person who I have attempted to recruit is still alive, but I do not know if my recruitments were successful at all. For all I know, we could have 8 town, to as few as 5 town. I posted when I had time to post Atleast My vote has some kind of a case to dance with - unlike some others
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 13, 2012 21:57:12 GMT -5
Where did everybody went? Oh sorry I was repeatedly banging my head against my computer desk because for the life of me I cannot muddle through this game at all. I had started to think I had gotten used to some of you and how you play and then once the gastardliness of this game got thrown in all bets went out the window. Several of you I have seen to be quite logical in the past but are making all kinds of assumptions and letting things that make me go "HELLO THIS ISN"T RIGHT!" slide right on by. Even though no one is voting me right now I am still frustrated because I don't get what has happened.... I mean Meeko is voting with no reason??.....Am I in the twilight zone? I am going to have to go and re read everything from the beginning in the morning when my brain is fresh cause I sure as hell can't handle it now. I can only speak for meself- but your - biting the wrong people - comment makes no sense if you are who you claim- I can't wrap it- infect/bite/ tag every player you can it increases your odds to meet your posted win-con--- I would like to hear more from you as to why that concept is confusing
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 13, 2012 22:10:20 GMT -5
given the amount of kitty song references and some other things that were not game related I do not expect to catch any heat for this Man friend is over tonight and he is cooking dinner- I'm not certain when I will return to you and your avatars
a man in my blankets is worth more than any online game- y'know
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Post by crys on Oct 13, 2012 22:49:59 GMT -5
Oh sorry I was repeatedly banging my head against my computer desk because for the life of me I cannot muddle through this game at all. I had started to think I had gotten used to some of you and how you play and then once the gastardliness of this game got thrown in all bets went out the window. Several of you I have seen to be quite logical in the past but are making all kinds of assumptions and letting things that make me go "HELLO THIS ISN"T RIGHT!" slide right on by. Even though no one is voting me right now I am still frustrated because I don't get what has happened.... I mean Meeko is voting with no reason??.....Am I in the twilight zone? I am going to have to go and re read everything from the beginning in the morning when my brain is fresh cause I sure as hell can't handle it now. I can only speak for meself- but your - biting the wrong people - comment makes no sense if you are who you claim- I can't wrap it- infect/bite/ tag every player you can it increases your odds to meet your posted win-con--- I would like to hear more from you as to why that concept is confusing Yes but me staying alive to bite is also important to me also. Voting\biting the wrong people is dangerous to me too. Ok I understand now why claiming was bad. Learning experience go me. My issue is not understanding what I need to do but weeding out the hostiles and scum is what has me twisted up in knots Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 13, 2012 23:45:28 GMT -5
I can only speak for meself- but your - biting the wrong people - comment makes no sense if you are who you claim- I can't wrap it- infect/bite/ tag every player you can it increases your odds to meet your posted win-con--- I would like to hear more from you as to why that concept is confusing Yes but me staying alive to bite is also important to me also. Voting\biting the wrong people is dangerous to me too. Ok I understand now why claiming was bad. Learning experience go me. My issue is not understanding what I need to do but weeding out the hostiles and scum is what has me twisted up in knots Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards Crys, There are players who do not understand what you mean by "wrong people." With this last post of yours, I now am included among them. There is nothing I see in your role PM that indicates that some players are the right people to bite and others the wrong people and that it would be dangerous for you to bite the wrong people. Please clarify for us what constitutes the wrong person to bite and how it is dangerous for you. Thanks.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 14, 2012 1:03:21 GMT -5
She's explained this before, I believe. The 'right' people are the people who are going to survive long enough to count towards her win condition, which they can't do if they're dead. So she has to either try and strategize to target people who are likely to stay alive or just use the shotgun approach and infect as many people as possible in the general population as a way of spreading out the probability that her targets will get killed by a killing role or lynched. Seeing as she allegedly tried to stay in her room at least once as a symbol of cooperation, and seeing as the person putting the most pressure on her to do so was KidV who was a hostile Third Party and not even a member of the Town that she was trying to show cooperate toward, her choices of who she should bite and who she's going to vote to lynch has become more crucial and complicated. If she happens to have bitten someone who starts gathering suspicion, she has conflicting motivations, especially if she happens to share in the suspicion of those she has bitten. Adding a vote toward lynching them moves her away from her win condition. Deciding not to vote for them potentially puts her at odds with the best interest of the Town.
That is my understanding of her language and apparent predicament as to her win condition.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 14, 2012 2:15:25 GMT -5
Usually he is quiet... But I don't remember him saying much if at all in here yes, i'm usually quiet. would you believe i'm more talkative than i used to be? but if you're referring to Marathon Mafia, i was actually more quiet than usual then. I'd prefer you back this with a vote, but oh well. Vote: gnarly why, thank you. very nice of you to back up Patricia's suspicion with your own vote. you are truly a generous person. that said here are my thoughts: 1. i agree KidV's death was likely the scum kill. the other was a vig-type kill. 2. Pizza is right that we can try to solve the game by using Red's information, assuming of course that the latter is being honest. for now i will trust Red's claims but not necessarily believe he's town. unless we have another scum count we can't be truly be sure of how many scum are left. there is some recruitment in this game. 3. i further opine that Pizza is not necessarily town either, possibly 3rd party non-hostile. he could have a wincon requiring either "mason" to survive up to the end. the powers he claims sound unusual for a mason pairing. a mason's main "power" is to know a fellow townie and be known to be town by that townie. having all these powers point to a need to do more than just win with town as masons do. furthermore, in a game this size, i'd expect more masons, maybe three not just two. that makes room for others to be town. 4. i still find Ginger suspicious but will look elsewhere toDay. Cookies strikes me as someone who is in the game and posts often enough but doesn't make waves. this is a common tactic by scum so i will reread her posts. i'm going to look at Colby too. was his town recruitment role claimed or assumed. i can't recall. if it was the latter perhaps Colby is Pizza's partner. 5. Bill is often missing for several days at a time. he travels a lot so i would say that his absence is a null tell.[/quote] Welcome back to the world of the playing. Your responses strike me as hollow and scummy. I intend to continue being generous in voting for you. You rub me the wrong way entirely.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 14, 2012 2:16:29 GMT -5
Would just like to note that this board screwed up my tags, not me. I didn't edit the quote at all.
*My* words begin after:
"5. Bill is often missing for several days at a time. he travels a lot so i would say that his absence is a null tell.[/quote]"
for those not paying close attention.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Oct 14, 2012 2:44:44 GMT -5
[quote author=askthepizzaguy board=poll thread=2052 post=100014 time=1350198925
Welcome back to the world of the playing.
Your responses strike me as hollow and scummy.
I intend to continue being generous in voting for you. You rub me the wrong way entirely.[/quote]
so it's all gut? not impressed. no specific reply to my post? weak. you're better than that. you have an excellent mafia brain. use it.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 14, 2012 3:20:58 GMT -5
Gnarly- What does 'making waves' mean? Then we can get to the discussion as to whether I'm making any and whether making them are not falls in the suspect, pro-town, or null tell area of the spectrum of play.
I also find your post regarding Bill to be interesting. For me, it isn't the low number of posts from Bill that are disconcerting. It is the lack of substance to the few that he's made. This is Bill we're talking about. He can see through a game set up a mile away, and often quite early in the game. Now perhaps he's just not finding his usual insightful grip on things this game, but trying to pass it off as a null tell smacks of you trying to casually cover his ass.
And that's enough to get the juices flowing for now.
Vote Gnarly Vote Bill[/color]
A poke at Bill, and we'll see if Gnarly makes good on his smear and can build a case against me. I say he can't and I'm calling his bluff.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Oct 14, 2012 4:30:34 GMT -5
Gnarly- What does 'making waves' mean? Then we can get to the discussion as to whether I'm making any and whether making them are not falls in the suspect, pro-town, or null tell area of the spectrum of play. I also find your post regarding Bill to be interesting. For me, it isn't the low number of posts from Bill that are disconcerting. It is the lack of substance to the few that he's made. This is Bill we're talking about. He can see through a game set up a mile away, and often quite early in the game. Now perhaps he's just not finding his usual insightful grip on things this game, but trying to pass it off as a null tell smacks of you trying to casually cover his ass. And that's enough to get the juices flowing for now. Vote Gnarly Vote Bill A poke at Bill, and we'll see if Gnarly makes good on his smear and can build a case against me. I say he can't and I'm calling his bluff. voting me for saying you're suspicious? smear? you disagree that scum doesn't pursue such tactics? making waves is saying something controversial, critically discussed and potentially voted for. you're in my list of suspicious not necessarily scummy players. you could well believe you have a great power and are trying to lie low. your response is overboard. too defensive. you're moving up. furthermore, your memory about Bill seems foggy. you stopped playing for a while so you might think what you remember of him is still the same. i've played with Bill in about a dozen games here, on the Geeb and Facebook, i believe. he does this ALL the time. check past games for yourself. we all praise his scumhunting but saying he can "spot a setup a mile away" is too much. smacks of snuggling. Vote: Cookies oh my OMGUS!!! nice touch voting me in case i actually voted you. i didn't even say i would make a case. i was just going to reread your posts. now, you've given me ammo with this post and incentive for me to really make a case against you.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 14, 2012 5:11:05 GMT -5
Then go for it. My memory of Bill is just fine. He's not contributing much here, but you can go ahead and continue to try and cover for him if you want. Again, it is not the number of posts, it is the quality. He has neither to speak much of here.
You made a vague smear. 'Cookies isn't making waves. That is a scum tactic.' That's a smear. And it is vague. And that is scummy at worst and lazy at best. And you still haven't defined what this scummy tactic is, exactly. You're just using more vague words. What makes a statement controversial? When you come back with that answer, depending on what it is, then maybe you get to explain how whatever that is is pro-town. You don't get to start with the conclusion that I'm somehow scummy with no support but these empty vague, meaningless words. So bring what you've actually got.
Bill can be a very, very, very insightful player. It is patently foolish not to keep that in mind and try to either exploit it or mitigate it, depending on if he's on the same team or not. Which is where the rub lies. There is not much with which to try and figure out where Bill is at in this game. I'd like to get to the exploiting or mitigating, but he needs to participate for that to happen. I also await with baited breath for you to explain how being mindful, aware, and vocal of Bill's potential to see to the heart of a game is somehow snuggling with a malicious motive.
Do you think I'm trying to scare the newbies with him? Do you think I'm stroking his ego and snuggling him while voting for him in some kind of passive aggressive, "I hate you. Don't leave me" bipolar episode? I'm all eyes.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 14, 2012 8:47:42 GMT -5
Oh well since we don't have to give any reasons whatsovever for a vote anymore....
Vote:Meeko
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Oct 14, 2012 9:25:48 GMT -5
given the amount of kitty song references and some other things that were not game related I do not expect to catch any heat for this Man friend is over tonight and he is cooking dinner- I'm not certain when I will return to you and your avatars a man in my blankets is worth more than any online game- y'know AMEN! Why do you think I have not been on. My man goes back home tomorrow so I will be on then. Moping but I will be on!
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Post by crys on Oct 14, 2012 11:14:24 GMT -5
She's explained this before, I believe. The 'right' people are the people who are going to survive long enough to count towards her win condition, which they can't do if they're dead. So she has to either try and strategize to target people who are likely to stay alive or just use the shotgun approach and infect as many people as possible in the general population as a way of spreading out the probability that her targets will get killed by a killing role or lynched. Seeing as she allegedly tried to stay in her room at least once as a symbol of cooperation, and seeing as the person putting the most pressure on her to do so was KidV who was a hostile Third Party and not even a member of the Town that she was trying to show cooperate toward, her choices of who she should bite and who she's going to vote to lynch has become more crucial and complicated. If she happens to have bitten someone who starts gathering suspicion, she has conflicting motivations, especially if she happens to share in the suspicion of those she has bitten. Adding a vote toward lynching them moves her away from her win condition. Deciding not to vote for them potentially puts her at odds with the best interest of the Town. That is my understanding of her language and apparent predicament as to her win condition. This is exactly what I meant. Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
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Post by Meeko on Oct 14, 2012 11:17:57 GMT -5
Oh well since we don't have to give any reasons whatsovever for a vote anymore.... Vote:Meeko You why I am voting for you.
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Post by Meeko on Oct 14, 2012 11:19:00 GMT -5
Board ate my first post.
Let's try that again :
Dizzy You know why I am voting for you.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 14, 2012 11:23:08 GMT -5
Board ate my first post. Let's try that again : Dizzy You know why I am voting for you. Do the rest of us?
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Post by Meeko on Oct 14, 2012 11:31:13 GMT -5
Board ate my first post. Let's try that again : Dizzy You know why I am voting for you. Do the rest of us? Not that I am aware of. Because, Magic Bag, Peeker. Let's dance.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 14, 2012 11:41:00 GMT -5
Not that I am aware of. Because, Magic Bag, Peeker. Let's dance. If the rest of us do not know the reason for your vote, then the only purpose your vote serves is to provide a reason to vote you.
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