|
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 17, 2012 1:23:35 GMT -5
The idea that the winning bidder on the merc becomes the merc is laughable: Tell me how that fits into this quote from the moderator, in the game opener post: "But what if there's a tie?! Simple!!! Everyone who tied for highest bidder gets to make a choice! At Dusk, the Mercenary will receive all the request and choose the one he wants to carry out! That makes sense!!!!" Peeker, you are so full of shit your eyes are turning brown. But what is your counter-theory? That the Merc is a role? How would a role that does what other people want even work? I've certainly never seen anything like it.
|
|
|
Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 17, 2012 1:43:51 GMT -5
The idea that the winning bidder on the merc becomes the merc is laughable: Tell me how that fits into this quote from the moderator, in the game opener post: "But what if there's a tie?! Simple!!! Everyone who tied for highest bidder gets to make a choice! At Dusk, the Mercenary will receive all the request and choose the one he wants to carry out! That makes sense!!!!" Peeker, you are so full of shit your eyes are turning brown. But what is your counter-theory? That the Merc is a role? How would a role that does what other people want even work? I've certainly never seen anything like it. I think the mod gets to choose. That paragraph conveys a lot of excitement. Maybe Pollux is looking forward to having a hand in the outcome(s). If that is extremely anti-Mafia Games, then I would guess he would use random.org.
|
|
|
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 17, 2012 1:49:13 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking too. I think I said something similar a few pages ago, but I can't remember for sure.
|
|
|
Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 17, 2012 1:56:47 GMT -5
I remember you saying it but I'm not down with it just yet.
I think we're still missing large chunks of the puzzle.
|
|
|
Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 17, 2012 6:48:48 GMT -5
The idea that the winning bidder on the merc becomes the merc is laughable: Tell me how that fits into this quote from the moderator, in the game opener post: "But what if there's a tie?! Simple!!! Everyone who tied for highest bidder gets to make a choice! At Dusk, the Mercenary will receive all the request and choose the one he wants to carry out! That makes sense!!!!" Peeker, you are so full of shit your eyes are turning brown. But what is your counter-theory? That the Merc is a role? How would a role that does what other people want even work? I've certainly never seen anything like it. My theory, That the merc is a role. Who's to say all that role does is what is selected by the merc bidder(s)? There have definitely been roles in the past with more than one power that could be used simultaneously. Ignoring my theory - That quote says the Merc will recieve all requests, and get to choose. That means the Merc is separate from the bidders, period. Which is not what is being pushed right now.
|
|
|
Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 17, 2012 7:34:28 GMT -5
In order to keep this debate from spiralling, I'll short circuit it and say that the Mercenary is definitely an individual player.
I am not the Mercenary, but I know who it is.
|
|
|
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 17, 2012 7:47:40 GMT -5
I have a reason not to tag someone that I think needs to die tonight.
Tomorrow, I will ask a question and I expect to receive one specific answer.
If that person answers, I will have cleared someone as townie.
As such my previous plans of tagging dizzy are obsolete. Stickler, hit whoever you like.
|
|
|
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 17, 2012 7:52:41 GMT -5
I can also confirm without question that BillMc charged up my power on the night he claimed to do so.
This enhanced ability will clear a townie or condemn them.
I can also report that my mason partner has successfully cleared someone else as nonhostile.
Due to our both surviving, we have a massive chance of revealing THREE additional cleared townies/nonhostiles tomorrow, in addition to all the other cleared ones we have found so far.
If the vig can remove one more scumbag, one more hostile, or one more unknown even if they're not hostile, that makes the remaining deductive work easier, albeit the last scenario is still the least desirous.
Inner Stickler: Do you want a specific recommendation, or do you prefer to choose your own?
|
|
|
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 17, 2012 7:58:39 GMT -5
Also, consider everyone please:
We have specifically been piling votes on our lynchees so that whoever gains the Mercenary survives and is not outed.
This plan must halt tomorrow.
Understand the mafia will now take such a risk and try to remove the Merc protection on Colby.
You must prevent that from happening.
Even if it causes an allied death due to bidding too high, you must outbid the mafia, and then, you must also ensure that the person who gets the Merc cannot wield it without dying.
If the Mafia sacrifice one of their own and strip the Merc from the town/nonhostiles, we can lose our recruiter. He is still too valuable for that to happen.
I am calling for a sacrificial move.
Guess what?
I am going to make that move. I am going to place a very large bid for the mercenary tonight.
It cannot fall to enemy hands. Not tonight.
I will make a bid that is possible to be outbid, but outbidding it will result in death.
The bid will also be surmountable, so you can still lynch whoever you want tomorrow, but you'll need to be near-unanimous.
The usefulness of my role is coming to an end.
I will perform the sacrifice as this guarantees that Colby survives another round. This will essentially make me a temporary doctor.
As I am starting town, I win with town, so I am not going to ask a recruitable third party to make the attempt, possibly die, and not win with us.
|
|
|
Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 17, 2012 8:39:47 GMT -5
You can suggest targets if you'd like but I won't guarantee that I'll target them.
|
|
|
Post by crys on Oct 17, 2012 9:20:42 GMT -5
In order to keep this debate from spiralling, I'll short circuit it and say that the Mercenary is definitely an individual player. I am not the Mercenary, but I know who it is. How do you know who it is Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards
|
|
|
Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 17, 2012 9:28:55 GMT -5
In order to keep this debate from spiralling, I'll short circuit it and say that the Mercenary is definitely an individual player. I am not the Mercenary, but I know who it is. How do you know who it is Sent from my SCH-I405 using proboards Any reason I should tell you, other than to satisfy your curiosity?
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 17, 2012 9:41:06 GMT -5
Any reason I should tell you, other than to satisfy your curiosity? I'll give you a cookie I'd wager the answer is either "It's in my Role PM" or "I'm a Detective".
|
|
Meeko
FGM
I raccoon it's time to play Mafia
Posts: 2,474
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Post by Meeko on Oct 17, 2012 9:45:22 GMT -5
Also, consider everyone please: We have specifically been piling votes on our lynchees so that whoever gains the Mercenary survives and is not outed. This plan must halt tomorrow. Understand the mafia will now take such a risk and try to remove the Merc protection on Colby. You must prevent that from happening. Even if it causes an allied death due to bidding too high, you must outbid the mafia, and then, you must also ensure that the person who gets the Merc cannot wield it without dying. If the Mafia sacrifice one of their own and strip the Merc from the town/nonhostiles, we can lose our recruiter. He is still too valuable for that to happen. I am calling for a sacrificial move. Guess what? I am going to make that move. I am going to place a very large bid for the mercenary tonight.It cannot fall to enemy hands. Not tonight. I will make a bid that is possible to be outbid, but outbidding it will result in death. The bid will also be surmountable, so you can still lynch whoever you want tomorrow, but you'll need to be near-unanimous. The usefulness of my role is coming to an end. I will perform the sacrifice as this guarantees that Colby survives another round. This will essentially make me a temporary doctor. As I am starting town, I win with town, so I am not going to ask a recruitable third party to make the attempt, possibly die, and not win with us. That's a tall order pizza. I would be hesitant. If you feel that is the best thing to do for your role, then by all means do it. It seems like you've weighed this out, and are at point where you have to make perhaps the hardest choice of all. The right answer is always the hardest, but the wrong answers fade away instantly. You say your power is coming to an end. Hopefully you were able to play it out to the best of your ability. On the other I guess I can get on board with this. After I come back (IRL) from my trip. I mean, I won't have to fear the lynch for the span I am gone. Thanks! Again, I will not be at a computer from Friday through Monday.
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 17, 2012 9:49:54 GMT -5
I can also confirm without question that BillMc charged up my power on the night he claimed to do so. This enhanced ability will clear a townie or condemn them. I can also report that my mason partner has successfully cleared someone else as nonhostile. Due to our both surviving, we have a massive chance of revealing THREE additional cleared townies/nonhostiles tomorrow, in addition to all the other cleared ones we have found so far. If the vig can remove one more scumbag, one more hostile, or one more unknown even if they're not hostile, that makes the remaining deductive work easier, albeit the last scenario is still the least desirous. Inner Stickler: Do you want a specific recommendation, or do you prefer to choose your own? Pizza, As I understand your role (and please correct me if I'm wrong), your sole active ability is to tag players such that they will be immune to kills from the Town Vigilante. As such, you and the Vig, if you can coordinate efforts, together form a kind of 'Weak Cop'. You can identify likely Town players, though because there are other possible reasons for a Vig kill not going through, you can't positively clear anyone. Am I right so far? I think I am. And if that's the case, and if Inner Stickler is the Vig, then it seems to me that you and he have so far cleared a total of 0 people. He's attacked all three Nights, and he has killed two Third Parties (one Nonhostile and one peeker) and a Scum. You may have tagged people, but if you did they were either not Town, or not targets of the Vig. So to date, your ability has had no demonstrable (to the rest of us) effect on the game. Am I missing something?
|
|
Meeko
FGM
I raccoon it's time to play Mafia
Posts: 2,474
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Post by Meeko on Oct 17, 2012 9:52:32 GMT -5
Anyone else on an IPAD feel like it is at times NETA tastic? Damn you auto correct!
NETA
On the other side I guess I can get on board with this. After I come back (IRL) from my trip. I mean, I won't have to fear the lynch for the span of time I am gone. Thanks!
|
|
|
Post by Inner Stickler on Oct 17, 2012 10:03:28 GMT -5
To be fair to ATPG, this is his 4th opportunity to tag someone, he was blocked one night and we lynched Silver Jan who claimed she peed blue. So best case scenario right now is that there's gonna be two tagged people out there which is not a really high portion of the group.
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 17, 2012 10:29:12 GMT -5
To be fair to ATPG, this is his 4th opportunity to tag someone, he was blocked one night and we lynched Silver Jan who claimed she peed blue. So best case scenario right now is that there's gonna be two tagged people out there which is not a really high portion of the group. I understand that. It's just that Pizza seems to be claiming that he and his Buddy are on the verge of being able to clear a large portion of the Town. But from the description he's given us, I can't see how Pizza himself is able to clear a single person right now. Either he's hiding something, he's just plain lying, or he's greatly exaggerating his own worth. I'd give even money to all three scenarios at this point.
|
|
Colby11
Administrator
Creator of Hell's Kitchen Mafia
Posts: 1,193
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Post by Colby11 on Oct 17, 2012 11:08:07 GMT -5
I am not so sure that is so wise. According to red, at the end of Day 3 we had 5 recruitable 3rd party people. I hope that I have trimmed it down to 4
|
|
Colby11
Administrator
Creator of Hell's Kitchen Mafia
Posts: 1,193
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Post by Colby11 on Oct 17, 2012 11:10:56 GMT -5
I'll wager that his mason buddy has a trick or two, plus what pizza might have gotten from being supercharged
|
|
|
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 17, 2012 11:57:55 GMT -5
To be fair to ATPG, this is his 4th opportunity to tag someone, he was blocked one night and we lynched Silver Jan who claimed she peed blue. So best case scenario right now is that there's gonna be two tagged people out there which is not a really high portion of the group. I understand that. It's just that Pizza seems to be claiming that he and his Buddy are on the verge of being able to clear a large portion of the Town. But from the description he's given us, I can't see how Pizza himself is able to clear a single person right now. Either he's hiding something, he's just plain lying, or he's greatly exaggerating his own worth. I'd give even money to all three scenarios at this point. What's the matter, Burby, nervous that Pizza's going to narrow the field for you and your scum buddies to hide in?
|
|
|
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 17, 2012 12:38:31 GMT -5
In order to keep this debate from spiralling, I'll short circuit it and say that the Mercenary is definitely an individual player. I am not the Mercenary, but I know who it is. Is this person one of the people Meeko spied in Peeker's room on Night 1?
|
|
|
Post by Sister Coyote on Oct 17, 2012 12:51:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure we want to narrow it down for Scum that way?
|
|
|
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 17, 2012 12:53:16 GMT -5
Dizzy's life is kinda hanging in the balance depending on the answer. A Town Tracker can be a handy role.
|
|
|
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 17, 2012 12:57:10 GMT -5
I suppose that only holds if you subscribe to the theory that the oozing ears is the Merc kill signature, and those subscribers seem to just be Inner and myself, though I may have missed some agreement along the way.
|
|
|
Post by Suburban Plankton on Oct 17, 2012 13:02:31 GMT -5
What's the matter, Burby, nervous that Pizza's going to narrow the field for you and your scum buddies to hide in? Nervous that Pizza's lulling us all into a false sense of security. One of Pizza's big problems with the way we play Mafia, which he's gone on about in the past, is that we tend to rely on our Power roles to 'solve the game' for us. He doesn't like it when the Town sits back and waits for their Investigators to find all of the Scum; he much prefers that players try to identify Scum by playstyle, voting records, etc. In this game, he's basically saying "Don't worry, me and my buddy will soon have everything figured out for you. Just do as I say and everything will be fine." It just seems out of character for him. Now it could be that he's simply playing the hand that was dealt him...if he has this ability, then there's no reason he shouldn't use it for the benefit of the Town. But you must admit that there is a rather large gap between his claimed abilities and his claimed (but not yet revealed) results. That may be due to his partner, or it may be an indication that things are not as they seem to be. SisC, given your nature I'd think you of all people would be at least as paranoid as I am about this...why aren't you?
|
|
|
Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 17, 2012 13:05:55 GMT -5
In order to keep this debate from spiralling, I'll short circuit it and say that the Mercenary is definitely an individual player. I am not the Mercenary, but I know who it is. Is this person one of the people Meeko spied in Peeker's room on Night 1? ...thinking... I think, on balance, the advantage to having this answer public is greater than the advantage to having it remain quiet. No. Unless Meeko is lying or unless there is more than one mercenary, the mercenary did not kill (or do anything else to) Peeker Night One. As far as how I know... it is, like most things in this game, complicated - certainly nowhere near as straightforward as either of the possible answers suggested by Plankton. I pledge to share any information I ever get that might be useful, but will keep the details private unless and until there's compelling reason to share them. Though I do like cookies ;D
|
|
|
Post by storyteller0910 on Oct 17, 2012 13:07:52 GMT -5
By the way, I doubt Meeko is lying about his investigation, though he may or may not be about his role. It'd be far too easy for such an investigation to be disproved.
|
|
|
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 17, 2012 13:20:51 GMT -5
I'm inclined to believe Meeko's information as well, though I do wonder if he 'saw' everyone involved or if anyone was obscured from his view, which was kinda where this whole round of conjecture on the Merc came from and being wary that not everyone seen there was necessarily homicidal. And you avie does not look like a big fan of cookies from here. I'll trade you as many as you want for just a hint of his metabolism.
|
|
Meeko
FGM
I raccoon it's time to play Mafia
Posts: 2,474
[ Exalt | Smite ]
Karma:
|
Post by Meeko on Oct 17, 2012 13:26:20 GMT -5
I'm inclined to believe Meeko's information as well, though I do wonder if he 'saw' everyone involved or if anyone was obscured from his view, which was kinda where this whole round of conjecture on the Merc came from and being wary that not everyone seen there was necessarily homicidal. And you avie does not look like a big fan of cookies from here. I'll trade you as many as you want for just a hint of his metabolism. Of course this all gets back to : you don't know what you don't know, you know? Everyone I saw, I posted. The result pm was verbatim cut and paste.
|
|