Colby11
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 18, 2012 23:13:26 GMT -5
Personally, I am torn between Meeko and Dizzy. Dizzy claims town tracker, Meeko 3rd party watcher/tracker....
I am suspicious of both of these right now
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 18, 2012 23:15:56 GMT -5
i think the wisdom of Pizza's reveal will only known after the fact. does clearing these people make it difficult for scum to overcome? if yes, then reveal. i'm a bit surprised he's asking. he usually decides on his own. But he raises an excellent point that 'hostility' level (with a lower case h, not to be confused with designation with a capital H) might increase as the game progresses and whatever selfish natures there might be due to Third Party win conditions are more likely to influence people's decisions and behaviors. And perhaps he's realized that there are limitations to their twosome and they don't know absolutely everything such as what hostility vs Hostility might look like.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Oct 18, 2012 23:16:58 GMT -5
Personally, I am torn between Meeko and Dizzy. Dizzy claims town tracker, Meeko 3rd party watcher/tracker.... I am suspicious of both of these right now You think Meeko bussed Silver Jan? Or do you think he's Third Party Hostile? There was no Silver Jan lynch without Meeko.
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Post by Colby11 on Oct 18, 2012 23:27:16 GMT -5
Personally, I am torn between Meeko and Dizzy. Dizzy claims town tracker, Meeko 3rd party watcher/tracker.... I am suspicious of both of these right now You think Meeko bussed Silver Jan? Or do you think he's Third Party Hostile? There was no Silver Jan lynch without Meeko. I think that it is possible that Meeko is scum, but I don't see him pulling that sort of game.... I just have this gut feeling that either Dizzy or Meeko is not good for town...
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 18, 2012 23:34:32 GMT -5
Correct me if I am wrong ( and I bet you will ) 2 players that claimed non dead-ing Night actions were not blocked Can we conclude anything from the players that claim to be blocked? sinjin crys seems to have bitten peeker as well last Night Are you confusing me with Colby? I posted right after you asked colby why he was the only one not blocked I thought it was clear
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 18, 2012 23:53:44 GMT -5
As has been said, there appeared to be three killings Night One. Meeko reports seeing three people on the scene. One has claimed Town Vig, no one has counter claimed and we all seem happy to believe him for now. One has been revealed by her lynch to have been Scum. One admits she was there but not as a killer. Those results confirm that Meeko does in fact have at least some knowledge of what happened Night One. Dizzymrslizzy is the third person on the scene. It may be true that Meeko is Scum (he did try to indict only dizzymrslizzy before coming clean about all he knew), and if dizzymrslizzy flips Town then we owe Meeko a closer look, but it seem like we should be starting with dizzymrslizzy. Postscript: This could easily be meaningless, but I noted it when I read it and have wondered since... Dizzymrslizzy did start the game with this (responding to peekercpa's comment that "you folks are gonna freak): www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=poll&thread=2034&page=4#97372Somehow, the claimed role of tracker does not strike me as a role to inspire such a statement.
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Post by Rich Beckman on Oct 18, 2012 23:55:23 GMT -5
Oh yeah....
Vote: dizzymrslizzy
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Post by LightFoot on Oct 19, 2012 0:27:52 GMT -5
I'm full of food and half full of beer
what would be the advantage for a 3rd party to watch/track
the 3rd party win cons that we have been fed so far basically involved a solidarity type win con- right?
well unless, I suppose being recruited plays into the win con
I could be things thinking in me hops so I ask
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 3:33:37 GMT -5
Well Pizza - I'm glad you were not block (asleep) last night - I'm voting if that what you are asking for a full information on what you have learned so far as information is power I was blocked and asleep last night actually. I still have my supercharged tagging power. What it does, I will demonstrate when I can actually fire it off. Noted that you are "for" the information reveal. I'm thinking it depends on if Pizza's information condemns or vindicates Dizzy, then that should come out sooner than later. If none of the information is about Dizzy, we should figure out how many of us are willing to put her name in blue regardless before exposing Pizza's information. I'd be willing to lynch Dizzy unless Pizza's information can clear her. Your opinion is valuable to me, and noted. It carries more weight. ANNOUNCEMENTI have carefully re-read all information myself and my partner have obtained on everyone to-date. DizzyMrsLizzy is not yet cleared or condemned. However we have a lot of other people we can cross off as starting mafia or starting third party hostile. This does not mean some folks have turned hostile by other means. But, the most powerful roles the scums and hostiles will have, should be starting scum and starting third party hostile, so those must be our targets. I cannot guarantee that DizzyMrsLizzy is scum. But I cannot clear her of guilt at this time. She is therefore deemed "expendable" by our mason group. I agree with Cookies. Let's lynch dizzy. Unless someone wants to point her as the merc. Or can put her firmly in the non-hostile or town pool. I see 3 ways to die, and 3 people targetting peeker on night 1. We had 1 scum killer, 1 town killer, and I'll bet someone else britches that dizzy is a 3rd party hostile killer. (Plus I was blocked last night. Fell asleep.) Your opinion is valuable to me, and noted. It carries more weight as well. i think the wisdom of Pizza's reveal will only known after the fact. does clearing these people make it difficult for scum to overcome? if yes, then reveal. i'm a bit surprised he's asking. he usually decides on his own. This is an exception. I am at a junction wherein a full reveal could push us over the top and allow us to win the game within a few rounds. However, if we guess wrong/misfire, and the scums take advantage of our data, it can turn pear-shaped. One of the advantages in games wherein town can network privately is that they can gain the advantage of information such as what I have without it being leaked to the scums, unless there's an infiltrator. If this was a PM-able game, most folks would know what I know already. But that would almost certainly break the game. I do not want to unilaterally decide our team's fate. I am asking for input from people I know are town or nonhostile, because THEIR opinions are the ones I need to know, but also, to test the opinions of those not cleared as well. Asking questions and getting people on the record is almost always more useful than not doing so. Noted that gnarly is somewhat for revealing. Pizza Let's clear everyone else except your buddy, as I think we should keep him or her in the dark. The people that you have cleared as town or non hostile, let us know I am not worried about the vigilante hitting my partner as we are both pre-tagged. I am however worried we might waste tracking/other data on my partner, and as such, would like to offer my opinion as to which targets to target tonight. To be ignored or accepted at the will of the person with the role. Noted that you are for an information reveal. Your opinion is obviously extremely important to me. You think Meeko bussed Silver Jan? Or do you think he's Third Party Hostile? There was no Silver Jan lynch without Meeko. I think that it is possible that Meeko is scum, but I don't see him pulling that sort of game.... I just have this gut feeling that either Dizzy or Meeko is not good for town... Concur, but leaning Meeko in the non-guilty camp. Not because of data, but because of my own analysis of his play. His early play and his reveal and all his actions to date make perfect sense to me from a non-hostile standpoint. I believe Meeko to be a misunderstood but valuable ally. If he continues to survive, I will clear him, but his own behavior "pre-clears" him in my mind. And if you're sure it's between him and Dizzy, I compare him to Dizzy and her play and her suggestions for the lynch. It's no contest. And nothing personal. I realize I might have rubbed her the wrong way regardless of alignment. In point of fact, Meeko rubbed me the wrong way based on his first day play. Was a chore to read. That's not what I'm basing this on. I find her play scummy, worth targeting. if not by lynch today, then... by something. Based on the votes so far, I have determined that the core of the townie group has asked the mason team to volunteer its data. Here's what we know, see next post. Vote: DizzyMrsLizzy for now.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 3:58:40 GMT -5
What we know[Askthepizzaguy's Mason Partner removed from this group] Blue- Townie or suspected townie Teal- Scanned nonhostile Bold Black- Claimed nonhostile Maroon- suspected hostile but not confirmed to be Red- Hostile or scum Purple- Dead third party Lime green- possible joker role. Win-stealing.Player List 1. CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies 2. gnarlycharlie 3. colby11 5. Meeko 7. crys 8. BillMc 9. dizzymrslizzy 11. Lightfoot 12. storyteller 13. Merestil Haye 14. Sister Coyote 16. LaurieRN 17. patricia 18. Suburban Plankton 19. peekercpa, aka Deadpool (Third-Party Serial Annoyer), killed Night One 20. Inner Stickler 22. richbeckman 23. Red Skeezix 27. sinjin 28. JustBeingGinger 29. Askthepizzaguy Dead 4. mahaloth, aka Arthur Dent (Nonhostile Third-Party One-Shot Killer), lynched Day One6. Pleonast, aka The Anti-Lurker (Town Investigator), lynched Day Two 25. guiri, aka Tim the Enchanter (Town Doctor), killed Day Two24. scathach, aka Sander Cohen (Nonhostile Third-Party Back-Up), killed Night Two10. wombat99, aka Professor X (Town Weak Doc/Bodyguard), killed Night Two21. Parzival, aka Zeddicus Z'ul Zorander (Scum Weak Cop), killed Night Three15. KidVermicious, aka The Demon (Hostile Third-Party Special), killed Night Three.26. Silver Jan, aka Hex (Scum One-Shot Recruiter), lynched Day FourRead more: psychopathgame.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=poll&action=display&thread=2038#ixzz29jWi3NugThe Living:1. CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies Nonhostile 2. gnarlycharlie 3. colby11 Claimed Town recruiter 5. Meeko Claimed third-party nonhostile watcher 7. crys Claimed third-party /nonhostile/ mad bomber 9. dizzymrslizzy Claimed nonhostile tracker 11. Lightfoot 12. storyteller nonhostile 13. Merestil Haye 14. Sister Coyote nonhostile 16. LaurieRN 17. patricia 18. Suburban Plankton 19. peekercpa, aka Deadpool (Third-Party Serial Annoyer) 20. Inner Stickler Claimed Town Vig 22. richbeckman 23. Red Skeezix - Strong townie lean 27. sinjin non-hostile 28. JustBeingGinger Claimed Town Scotsman/executioner, claimed to pee blue Day Four 29. Askthepizzaguy Town per Mod The Living:Listed in terms of how strong I lean townie/nonhostile on them. 29. Askthepizzaguy Town per Mod 3. colby11 Claimed Town recruiter 20. Inner Stickler Claimed Town Vig 27. sinjin non-hostile 12. storyteller nonhostile 14. Sister Coyote nonhostile 1. CometotheDarkSideWeHaveCookies nonhostile 23. Red Skeezix - Strong townie lean but no actual data besides his claim. 5. Meeko Claimed third-party nonhostile watcher 28. JustBeingGinger Claimed Town Scotsman/executioner, claimed to pee blue Day Four 22. richbeckman 11. Lightfoot 16. LaurieRN 17. patricia 2. gnarlycharlie 18. Suburban Plankton 13. Merestil Haye 19. peekercpa, aka Deadpool (Third-Party Serial Annoyer) 7. crys Claimed third-party /non-hostile/ mad bomber 9. dizzymrslizzy Claimed non-hostile tracker Note: I do not see peekercpa as a scum role, but I also can't see him as being a really useful ally to the town. I personally believe he has some kind of joker role, where he WANTS to die or be lynched. He's useful in that he can vote, and that we are almost certain he's not scum, but... sketchy for sure. We cannot give him what he wants, which is our votes. We should scan him good at some point, but he's not our main priority.I am also aware of the roles of the folks who have been scanned non-hostile. It is not important to share them, but I can, which proves they have been scanned by us.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 4:02:15 GMT -5
And just to repeat: I've obviously not revealed my mason partner in these lists.
If you accidentally vote for him, I will tell you.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 4:08:21 GMT -5
Red Skeezix:
I like your play all game and I trust you were town or nonhostile at game start.
What is your current status, town or nonhostile third party, or otherwise?
I'd like to verify you're still on-team, because your data has been so valuable to me in reducing the suspects list. probably others as well.
But if you began as recruitable, you'd be the most excellent person to recruit, and as such, I want to know what you claim to be, starting townie or starting nonhostile.
Can you clarify?
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 4:10:23 GMT -5
Doy that list didn't include the BillMc death update.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 4:32:06 GMT -5
It's possible to deduce things based on the fact that two people cannot be the same role and we have a partial role list already.
Going by Pollux Oil's suggested role list, which obviously left off a few surprises.
LIVING ROLES
Anti-Vigilante/speculator - Askthepizzaguy Blade runner- Askthepizzaguy's mason partner Joker (Return to Arkham Mafia)- Inner Stickler Princess Peach [nonhostile]- unspecified player The Riddler (Arkham Knights Mafia) - Chia Bingo Riddler [interesting, that]- unspecified player Ascetic Monk (unknown game) - Nonhostile [Name removed]- nonhostile
Unknown/ Help Me Fill In This List
Alice (Wonderland Mafia) Ash (Evil Dead Mafia) Ben Gunn (Pirate Mafia) Chia Bingo Manager (Asylum Lane) - compare with "Chia Bingo Riddler" unsure what this means. Deadeye Dick (Pirate Mafia) Death of Rats (Halloween Mafia) Generic Homicidal Maniac (Halloween Mafia) Jesus Christ, Serial Killer (NSFW Mafia) Master of the Deck of Dragons (Malazan Mafia) Necromancer (Conspiracy Mafia) Solomon Grundy (Return to Arkham Mafia) War (Apocalypse Mafia) Zhang Bao (Three Kingdoms Mafia)
DEAD ROLES
4. mahaloth, aka Arthur Dent (Nonhostile Third-Party One-Shot Killer), lynched Day One 6. Pleonast, aka The Anti-Lurker (Town Investigator), lynched Day Two 25. guiri, aka Tim the Enchanter (Town Doctor), killed Day Two 24. scathach, aka Sander Cohen (Nonhostile Third-Party Back-Up), killed Night Two 10. wombat99, aka Professor X (Town Weak Doc/Bodyguard), killed Night Two 21. Parzival, aka Zeddicus Z'ul Zorander (Scum Weak Cop), killed Night Three 15. KidVermicious, aka The Demon (Hostile Third-Party Special), killed Night Three. 26. Silver Jan, aka Hex (Scum One-Shot Recruiter), lynched Day Four 8. BillMc, aka Diddy Kong (Town Special) is dead.
Can you folks who have claimed help me fill in my list. I have been working on this for a while and I don't want to try to go back and find all your claim information.
Some roles are missing from the list entirely, so if yours isn't on the list, keep quiet or start breadcrumbing/hopefully you already have so its not obvious.
If you have breadcrumbed and want me to find it, raise your hand.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 4:35:47 GMT -5
Ugh. I hope to see some discussion of this information when I come back.
Please use this to the best of your ability.
Also, I helpfully nominate one of my scanned nonhostile third party roles to try and bid for the mercenary tonight, as I don't want to risk the recruiter or the vigilante and the masons cannot do it.
You wanna be a team player? Help us out and snag that Merc!
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 4:42:30 GMT -5
Some of the "unknown" roles may simply be cover roles provided to the mafia and hostile third parties, by the way.
Common sense but it should be noted just in case we overlook this.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Oct 19, 2012 4:44:24 GMT -5
those are pretty comprehensive lists. does non-hostile automatically mean 3rd party? or can they also be town?
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 5:51:47 GMT -5
Nonhostile can mean town.
The scan provides role information and the level of hostility specifically towards the town, because my partner is modconfirmed to me to be town, and always town.
So, anyone who is scanned "nonhostile" is either town or Nonhostile. Even though town is "hostile" it's not hostile to itself, obviously.
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Post by patricia on Oct 19, 2012 6:36:33 GMT -5
thank you Pizza - I had hoped you had cleared me as well since I voted for you earier in the game but alas not yet - Please feel free to scan me at anytime as it would certainly help you with one of your lists. Anyway, as far as your information I agree with most of it and also that at this time Dizzy should be our top lynch choice
Dizzymrslizzy
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Post by patricia on Oct 19, 2012 6:37:26 GMT -5
Sorry sb Vote Dizzymrslizzy
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Post by patricia on Oct 19, 2012 6:39:13 GMT -5
also I'm going to be away most of today (as in game day) will post in other thread as well - hope to be back before today is over but I have at least got me vote in for today.
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Post by Red Skeezix on Oct 19, 2012 6:58:45 GMT -5
Pizza: I'm 3rd Party.
As to my hostility, well that has yet to be determined. I'm waiting for something to happen/someone to do something that will determine what my win condition is.
What that thing is I'm not going to say or claim or anything since I'm not sure who the person is, and it might enable them to interfere.
And to fill out your list: I'm Death of Rats.
also vote DizzyLizzy
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 19, 2012 7:45:33 GMT -5
Actually Pizza, I didn't claim Non-Hostile. I claimed Town. Sorry you didn't waste your efforts scanning me, and you're willing to throw another Townie off the bus. Really sucks. You are really barking up the wrong tree here. I'm the Town Tracker.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 7:51:22 GMT -5
thank you Pizza - I had hoped you had cleared me as well since I voted for you earier in the game but alas not yet - Please feel free to scan me at anytime as it would certainly help you with one of your lists I appreciate this sort of thing. TBH I have a lot of question marks next to names and an open invite to scan is more reassuring than...
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 8:00:07 GMT -5
Actually Pizza, I didn't claim Non-Hostile. I claimed Town. Sorry you didn't waste your efforts scanning me, and you're willing to throw another Townie off the bus. Really sucks. You are really barking up the wrong tree here. I'm the Town Tracker. Fascinating, I've heard that claim already. So anyway, what is all of your tracking information to date? Why wouldn't the mafia have a tracker? Isn't it useful to find powerful townie roles to destroy? And are you starting townie, or converted? Also, why do scumbags inevitably claim super powerful townie roles instead of, say, third party roles with obscure powers? Would it be because it plays on the fear of losing extraordinary powers? We've got plenty of them. And fear of loss is a path to the dark side.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 8:00:28 GMT -5
Pizza: I'm 3rd Party. As to my hostility, well that has yet to be determined. I'm waiting for something to happen/someone to do something that will determine what my win condition is. What that thing is I'm not going to say or claim or anything since I'm not sure who the person is, and it might enable them to interfere. Very well. You've been a straight shooter this whole game, or one of the better bluffers I've ever come across. I can't help but respect what you've done. Know that as a matter of course, we'll need to scan you or clear you somehow, eventually, to be thorough. But you've been so helpful and straightforward that I think you deserve the time and patience it takes to properly clear someone, and not an instant death sentence the moment we suspect anything.
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Oct 19, 2012 8:02:48 GMT -5
Ah crap, I did the spellcheck edit by reflex again.
That will be another penalty vote for me. I hate, hate, hate this rule.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 19, 2012 8:29:04 GMT -5
well scanning me ain't going to do squat. regardless of how i show up on your purported results i won't get killed by any of you worthless folks.
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Post by peekercpa on Oct 19, 2012 8:35:07 GMT -5
neta: vote dizzy.
vote story
dizzy for being in my room and the related explanations which frankly seem odd. i mean watcher/tracker. don't those roles typically work from afar. i mean if the watcher/tracker is on my ass don't you think i will notice them and tell them to shoo away. of course, if they have a hatchet in their hand then maybe i don't get much further than that.
story because frankly this game is in his wheelhouse. enough folks stirring the pot that drive by analysis can look einsteinian. he plays this part to perfection since the mf is about as cagey as they come.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Oct 19, 2012 8:49:32 GMT -5
Pizza because I am town. Why would it make sense to have a 3rd party tracker/watcher and another 3rd part tracker. I'm Town.... You'll see that at dusk.
Maybe Meeko can be recruited to scum, or maybe he has been already. I highly suspect he's one of the 5 recruitable. I'd hate for you mislynch me and then let him run free wrongly accusing me of being Hostile to town when it was all along him. You noticed he singled me out first when he saw more than just me. He only bussed Jan when the pressure turned up on him. What was the reason or that other than to try and make himself look good. It looks like he read a chapter in Pleos scam book to me.
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