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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 11:20:32 GMT -5
I protected your ass last night Meeko because I thought you were going to join town and the liars left in the game would try to target you. Why the hell do you think SisC and IS are still alive? Did meeko add to his PM or this is a puzzle indeed didn't someone else reference princess peach? or a princess peach-like role? For the record, I didn't add a thing to my pm. It's more of an issue of not showing all of it to begin with. Also, did I ever [at the time the quoted above was written] provide my full role? At the time I never intended to give my full. It should now be obvious why I sandbagged, yet again.
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 11:22:58 GMT -5
Actually, Meeko, if lynching Lightfoot doesn't end the game, then both you and charlie are on my list of people who should probably be vigged. DEAR GOD! Why can't you vote for Sinjin? What has she done to earn your trust? What have I done to earn it?
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 11:24:25 GMT -5
Why can't anyone accept that Sinjin is scum?
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 11:31:55 GMT -5
1. I watched myself last night, and I stayed at home. 2. I can see ANY one that comes to me. 3. Scum Attacked me last night. 4.Sinjin was the only one to visit me last night.
What are you guys missing here?
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 11:40:31 GMT -5
We ..... I need a head against the wall smiley.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Nov 8, 2012 11:45:02 GMT -5
Gnarly Why do you consider me as a candidate to be vigged? i was just ribbing you, Meeko. i'd prefer a Lightfoot lynch and sinjin vigging. if she flips Town, then you'll have to worry. SisC, you can always scan Meeko or me. although i'd like to be alive at the end of the game, i know that Town, and consequently i, will win, short of a major clusterfuck. i stand by my investigations. i've given more info than most. it's all there.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 8, 2012 11:46:27 GMT -5
I agree that it is likely Sinjin is Scum. But I can think of a couple of scenarios where she isn't.
I would rather take out the confirmed hostile today. Inner can take a whack at sinjin (or you, or whoever floats his boat) toNight.
Right now, Meeko, your continued refusal to convert to Town makes me think you can't.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Nov 8, 2012 11:47:29 GMT -5
1. I watched myself last night, and I stayed at home. 2. I can see ANY one that comes to me. 3. Scum Attacked me last night. 4.Sinjin was the only one to visit me last night. What are you guys missing here? i'm taking this into consideration. however Lightfoot has been scanned as hostile and has admitted it. bird in the hand and all that.
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 11:47:54 GMT -5
I agree that it is likely Sinjin is Scum. But I can think of a couple of scenarios where she isn't. I would rather take out the confirmed hostile today. Inner can take a whack at sinjin (or you, or whoever floats his boat) toNight. Right now, Meeko, your continued refusal to convert to Town makes me think you can't. I was not aware I had to.
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 11:50:11 GMT -5
1. I watched myself last night, and I stayed at home. 2. I can see ANY one that comes to me. 3. Scum Attacked me last night. 4.Sinjin was the only one to visit me last night. What are you guys missing here? i'm taking this into consideration. however Lightfoot has been scanned as hostile and has admitted it. bird in the hand and all that. I think we all accept that Hostile as a term is meaningless. Hell, if I accept the current offer (And I can accept) I immediately become Hostile. I don't think Lightfoot would want to lie about his Role. Is there anything else I can do for you, to help understand my perspective regarding Sinjin?
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 11:51:52 GMT -5
Sis What part of I chose not to accept, to maintain my powers, did you not get? Then again, it was a waste of an effort on my part, if I have now used up my powers, and you guys don't understand my gambit.
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 11:54:59 GMT -5
Right now, Meeko, your continued refusal to convert to Town makes me think you can't. Why does this matter in regards to what I have posted about Sinjin?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 8, 2012 11:58:20 GMT -5
At this point in time, I see no reason to jump from lightfoot to sinjin. Lynch lightfoot Today and vig one of gnarly, sinjin, or meeko tonight and see where we stand Tomorrow.
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 12:01:22 GMT -5
At this point in time, I see no reason to jump from lightfoot to sinjin. Lynch lightfoot Today and vig one of gnarly, sinjin, or meeko tonight and see where we stand Tomorrow. An Explanation here would be nice.
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 12:03:12 GMT -5
At this point in time, I see no reason to jump from lightfoot to sinjin. Lynch lightfoot Today and vig one of gnarly, sinjin, or meeko tonight and see where we stand Tomorrow. Are you calling me a liar? Give me the charges outright so that I might answer them, if you please.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Nov 8, 2012 12:13:17 GMT -5
Oddly, Meeko, no one is calling you a liar.
At least, not a liar by commission.
But we already know you will hold back some of your results, so it's hard to trust that you were, in fact, only visited by Sinjin last night. Because you saw more than just Lizzy on Peeker Night One, but only outed her. Do you see our dilemma?
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Post by lauriern on Nov 8, 2012 12:21:41 GMT -5
1. I watched myself last night, and I stayed at home. 2. I can see ANY one that comes to me. 3. Scum Attacked me last night. 4.Sinjin was the only one to visit me last night. What are you guys missing here? I think it's just that people feel that Lightfoot is more of a sure Scum lynch. By her own admission, she was blocked. We know there was no Scum nightkill. The chances of there being 2 Town blockers are pretty slim! The next question is why is she outing that she was blocked? Maybe because she is not the only Scum left and they are hoping the Roleblocker will out themselves so they have a good target for their NK?? Is it possible you are right and Sinjin is another Scum? Possible. The hard part for people, I think, is that (if I am remembering correctly) Sinjin was scanned non-hostile. Just my thoughts......
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 8, 2012 12:31:00 GMT -5
SisterCoyote had knowledge of believable breadcrumbs in ATPG's posts. She has so far posted accurate information. No one has counter-claimed her and no one has turned up dead with a mason reveal. I am confident in trusting her at the moment.
Everyone else is throwing a lot of accusations around and wanting the rest of us to rely on their words. The only way we can untangle this knot is via death. Since a town win counts for all town living and dead, I can only assume that the freaking out regarding the possibility of dying is because the freakers are incapable of being a part of town.
If sinjin is scum, that opens some troubling can of worms. Defeating Sister C's investigation would point towards having a godfather ability. But the easiest way to fake a roleclaim is just change scum to town and a scum doctor is not out of the realms of probability here. But if sinjin is a scum doctor who changed a few keywords but otherwise left things as is, there's no reason for her to have godfather status.
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 12:46:08 GMT -5
1. I watched myself last night, and I stayed at home. 2. I can see ANY one that comes to me. 3. Scum Attacked me last night. 4.Sinjin was the only one to visit me last night. What are you guys missing here? I think it's just that people feel that Lightfoot is more of a sure Scum lynch. By her own admission, she was blocked. We know there was no Scum nightkill. The chances of there being 2 Town blockers are pretty slim! The next question is why is she outing that she was blocked? Maybe because she is not the only Scum left and they are hoping the Roleblocker will out themselves so they have a good target for their NK?? Is it possible you are right and Sinjin is another Scum? Possible. The hard part for people, I think, is that (if I am remembering correctly) Sinjin was scanned non-hostile. Just my thoughts...... By her own admission, she was blocked. We know there was no Scum nightkill.Ok. Let me go slower. I blocked the Night Kill.
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 8, 2012 12:51:51 GMT -5
Did meeko add to his PM or this is a puzzle indeed didn't someone else reference princess peach? or a princess peach-like role? For the record, I didn't add a thing to my pm. It's more of an issue of not showing all of it to begin with. Also, did I ever [at the time the quoted above was written] provide my full role? At the time I never intended to give my full. It should now be obvious why I sandbagged, yet again. I was referring to the PM where you posted your Night results not your role
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 12:53:05 GMT -5
Oddly, Meeko, no one is calling you a liar. At least, not a liar by commission. But we already know you will hold back some of your results, so it's hard to trust that you were, in fact, only visited by Sinjin last night. Because you saw more than just Lizzy on Peeker Night One, but only outed her. Do you see our dilemma? 1. I held back results. I held back results to go after Dizzy. WHO WAS SCUM. During this, I revealed the rest of my results. Do I have this wrong? 2. The fact that I didn't reveal that I am a Watcher and a Tracker lead us to get Dizzy. There are advantages to holding your cards close. Do I have this wrong? I gave you my entire PM last night. There was no middle step where I toyed around and voted Sinjin without reason. There was no "They know what they did" this time around If there is a lesson to be learned from the first time I tried it with Dizzy, I sure as hell put that into place the second time around with Sinjin. Do I have this wrong? I gave you the full Result PM. I gave you my Full Role PM after that. Why? Because I have nothing left to hide. Because you guys would probably not believe anything else. Because it is the truth. What am I omttiing? What else is needed? Do I have this wrong?
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 12:55:26 GMT -5
Inner
Do you need anything else from me? You seem not to believe me.
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 13:06:38 GMT -5
1. I watched myself last night, and I stayed at home. 2. I can see ANY one that comes to me. 3. Scum Attacked me last night. 4.Sinjin was the only one to visit me last night. What are you guys missing here? I think it's just that people feel that Lightfoot is more of a sure Scum lynch. By her own admission, she was blocked. We know there was no Scum nightkill. The chances of there being 2 Town blockers are pretty slim! The next question is why is she outing that she was blocked? Maybe because she is not the only Scum left and they are hoping the Roleblocker will out themselves so they have a good target for their NK?? Is it possible you are right and Sinjin is another Scum? Possible. The hard part for people, I think, is that (if I am remembering correctly) Sinjin was scanned non-hostile. Just my thoughts...... Do we have confirmation that lightfoot was blocked? At the point light foot was blocked, and that I blocked a nightkill targeted at me, it is obvious to me that we have at least one scum that is not lightfoot. I have the power to watch. I watched myself, because I figured : 1. I would be a higher target. 2. I knew that I had the power to "survive" / block the first NK. 3. I therefore knew I would be able to watch who attempted to kill me. Sinjin was the only person to visit me - per the mod. I was attacked by Scum. 1.Because I was given the option to join town. 2.Because the mod said so. I don't think I would have this open offer out, if this was wrong. If someone can please tell me how I got this wrong, let me know. Because I think this is a higher priority than offing lightfoot because of an obvious ambiguous term. To me, this is an open and shut case.
I think most people expected the game to be over by now. Obviously you guys got something wrong. Shouldn't you rethink a few things, instead of clinging on to the path that has already been shown to be wrong?
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Post by lauriern on Nov 8, 2012 13:09:23 GMT -5
I think it's just that people feel that Lightfoot is more of a sure Scum lynch. By her own admission, she was blocked. We know there was no Scum nightkill. The chances of there being 2 Town blockers are pretty slim! The next question is why is she outing that she was blocked? Maybe because she is not the only Scum left and they are hoping the Roleblocker will out themselves so they have a good target for their NK?? Is it possible you are right and Sinjin is another Scum? Possible. The hard part for people, I think, is that (if I am remembering correctly) Sinjin was scanned non-hostile. Just my thoughts...... By her own admission, she was blocked. We know there was no Scum nightkill.Ok. Let me go slower. I blocked the Night Kill. Dude, relax. I read it differently. That you were able to fight off someone and that Sinjin also visited you (She says as a Doc). I went back to look at Sinjin's Role PM post to clarify and it is posted over 2 posts and it looks like stuff is missing. My 3rd party PM had a list of 3 items as did everyone else's we've seen, I think. Sinjin, your PM being posted over 2 posts is confusing. Would you please re-post your (enitire) Role PM in one post, please?
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Post by LightFoot on Nov 8, 2012 13:09:30 GMT -5
Unless I’m one of the last 3 alive I can’t meet my win-con You could let me live and I would work as a Town Vig until you needed me dead- then lynch me Tidy up some of the loose ends and all that. In this case – if the blocker is a permanent position- they would be unable to block me and IS at the same time and you would have one active Vig each Night. When one of us hits a Scum (if we still trust the numbers) the next Day you lynch me
oh the irony doing this again
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 13:10:06 GMT -5
I think it's just that people feel that Lightfoot is more of a sure Scum lynch. Why is this? Lightfoot admitted to be HOSTILE. Not Scum. Sinjin was the only one to visit me. Scum attacked me. Seems to me that Sinjin is more sure of a scum lynch. But interesting, that you are pressing for the lynch of a Hostile, and not the lynch of a scum.
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 13:13:54 GMT -5
By her own admission, she was blocked. We know there was no Scum nightkill.Ok. Let me go slower. I blocked the Night Kill. Dude, relax. I read it differently. That you were able to fight off someone and that Sinjin also visited you (She says as a Doc). I went back to look at Sinjin's Role PM post to clarify and it is posted over 2 posts and it looks like stuff is missing. My 3rd party PM had a list of 3 items as did everyone else's we've seen, I think. Sinjin, your PM being posted over 2 posts is confusing. Would you please re-post your (enitire) Role PM in one post, please? The burden then, is on you, to explain how I could have a second visitor.
I don't see it happening. I don't see how such a power / role could go "sleeper" for this long. We would have been able to sniff this out by now.
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Post by Meeko on Nov 8, 2012 13:16:29 GMT -5
By her own admission, she was blocked. We know there was no Scum nightkill.Ok. Let me go slower. I blocked the Night Kill. Dude, relax. I read it differently. That you were able to fight off someone and that Sinjin also visited you (She says as a Doc). I went back to look at Sinjin's Role PM post to clarify and it is posted over 2 posts and it looks like stuff is missing. My 3rd party PM had a list of 3 items as did everyone else's we've seen, I think. Sinjin, your PM being posted over 2 posts is confusing. Would you please re-post your (enitire) Role PM in one post, please? Do you agree that a scum visited me last night? Why would I not be able to watch them?
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Post by lauriern on Nov 8, 2012 13:21:15 GMT -5
I think it's just that people feel that Lightfoot is more of a sure Scum lynch. By her own admission, she was blocked. We know there was no Scum nightkill. The chances of there being 2 Town blockers are pretty slim! The next question is why is she outing that she was blocked? Maybe because she is not the only Scum left and they are hoping the Roleblocker will out themselves so they have a good target for their NK?? Is it possible you are right and Sinjin is another Scum? Possible. The hard part for people, I think, is that (if I am remembering correctly) Sinjin was scanned non-hostile. Just my thoughts...... Do we have confirmation that lightfoot was blocked? At the point light foot was blocked, and that I blocked a nightkill targeted at me, it is obvious to me that we have at least one scum that is not lightfoot. I have the power to watch. I watched myself, because I figured : 1. I would be a higher target. 2. I knew that I had the power to "survive" / block the first NK. 3. I therefore knew I would be able to watch who attempted to kill me. Sinjin was the only person to visit me - per the mod. I was attacked by Scum. 1.Because I was given the option to join town. 2.Because the mod said so. I don't think I would have this open offer out, if this was wrong. If someone can please tell me how I got this wrong, let me know. Because I think this is a higher priority than offing lightfoot because of an obvious ambiguous term. To me, this is an open and shut case.
I think most people expected the game to be over by now. Obviously you guys got something wrong. Shouldn't you rethink a few things, instead of clinging on to the path that has already been shown to be wrong?I agree that we probably have one Scum who is not Lightfoot. I also think we have a Scum who is Lightfoot (or she could be hostile 3rd party, which means she needs to go anyway). I see what you're saying about Sinjin. I agree that switching to a Sinjin lynch may be a better idea than a Lightfoot lynch. The Lightfoot lynch has not been proven to be a wrong path, yet, for Town. Meeko, at this point, you just need to survive to achieve your wincon (based on your PM). We need to eliminate all hostile non-Town. For Town to win, Lightfoot has to go. Lightfoot You say you can help Town. You're in danger of being lynched b/c you were scanned as hostile. Would you please post your Role PM so we can see for ourselves how you can help us?
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Post by Inner Stickler on Nov 8, 2012 13:24:33 GMT -5
Lightfoot admitted to be HOSTILE. Not Scum. From town's POV, scum and hostile are essentially equivalent.
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