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Day One
Nov 25, 2012 14:10:20 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 25, 2012 14:10:20 GMT -5
and for pizza and astral i've never flinched in my life. getting dealt pocket biguns does that to a soul.
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Nov 25, 2012 14:35:33 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Nov 25, 2012 14:35:33 GMT -5
Likely LE or CG: Peeker, I don't think it was a scum slip Wombat, she gave the "wrong" reason why Peeker wasn't necessarily scum Actually, I haven't commented on peeker's alignment or his "not on my team" comment. Lightfoot wanted to know why I thought that other factions would have off-board communications, and I pointed out the part of the rules that indicate that there could be multiple groups with off-board communication. Bear in mind that my frame of reference is the last Conspiracy game (also four-faction, with 3 groups with off-board communication) so having multiple groups communicating off-board seems feasible to me.
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Day One
Nov 25, 2012 14:47:23 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Nov 25, 2012 14:47:23 GMT -5
Wait, I think peeker just admitted to being on a team besides lawful good. That isn't why I'm voting him. But it is making it harder for me to unvote him. you mis parse as usual. i think the mog made it clear that their were going to be odd combinations of wincons and combos. so is your plea to bring out lawful evils and join your side if that is in fact your role? that way the lawfuls win and town is fucked? a lot of times masons will not necessarily know who is against them. but they sure as fuck know who is with them. capiche? Peeker could you answer three questions: 1. How do you know Pizza is not on your team? 2. Are you claiming mason? 3. Don't you realise that if lawful wins, Town wins? Perfect Information Syndrome. certain players, particularly scum, have information that most players don't. sometimes these players post something that seems to indicate they know more than they should. Nothing else worth commenting on? Not one thing?
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Nov 25, 2012 16:15:08 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 25, 2012 16:15:08 GMT -5
Hey everyone. Just got back from my Thanksgiving vacation. Going to look over what's been talked about so far.
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Day One
Nov 25, 2012 16:25:55 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Nov 25, 2012 16:25:55 GMT -5
I just got home from a 10 hour road trip with a 5 year old. My brain is too tired to take all this in right now. I will catch up tomorrow and post more. Back to being a veggie on the sofa!
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Day One
Nov 25, 2012 17:22:55 GMT -5
Post by Pollux Oil on Nov 25, 2012 17:22:55 GMT -5
Okay after reading, three observations/questions: @peeker - I'm generally against "slips" of any sort. Considering this particular one is coming from peeker of all people, who makes sense once a year when the planets are all aligned properly, I'm going to take it all with a grain of salt. It seems like an easy Day One bandwagon jump for people who are looking for an easy out and data point. Voting for peeker at this juncture seems like a "well, it's better than anything else on Day One" vote which is an excuse people use to not actually hunt for scum. The easiest vote, especially early on Day One, is usually not the best. Askthepizzaguy - Your voting idea is sound, although it seemed like you pulled the random voting bit out of thin air. From my experience there is usually a lot of slipshod voting at the beginning of Day One with joke votes and this-and-that going everywhere, but rarely is there an actual "random" vote. By the time the lynch occurs, everyone usually straightens out and starts picking out acceptable targets. I don't think we need to outline a specific plan, but I agree having a few candidates to choose from for lynching is always better than a one-horse race. guiri - I've read and reread the post where you make the case on why Lightfoot is CE but I want to make sure I'm parsing it correctly. Are you saying that because Lightfoot assumed that everyone not CE didn't know who their team was, she's likely CE because as a CE player she assumed she was one of the only ones that did know her team?
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Day One
Nov 25, 2012 18:33:10 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Nov 25, 2012 18:33:10 GMT -5
guiri - I've read and reread the post where you make the case on why Lightfoot is CE but I want to make sure I'm parsing it correctly. Are you saying that because Lightfoot assumed that everyone not CE didn't know who their team was, she's likely CE because as a CE player she assumed she was one of the only ones that did know her team? More or less, yes. I started with the opposite supposition: based on Peeker's statement, all non-town know their fellow team members so LE or CG would be aware of this so wouldn't have argued as Lightfoot did (or Dizzy & Hockey). Lightfoot refers to the rules several times but seems to be relying on the rules to support her claim that "only" CE know each other, rather than actually reading them to see which factions have off-board communication before making accusations of PIS: we know that CE can communicate per the rules so they know who each other are. Are you assuming the non LG teams know of each other? - we know CE does-per the rules or do you have other information?
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Day One
Nov 25, 2012 20:05:21 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Nov 25, 2012 20:05:21 GMT -5
As I stated earlier
I did miss the bit in the rules that confirmed the other factions having off boards (I read “ no strategy at Night “ and moved on )
I did not assume that the game would be the exact same set up as previous.
Upon researching the original I was reminded that as LE (I think) last incarnation, I nearly lynched a teammate because I did not know they were on my team Day One
I do remember now that in that game I was not told who was on my team in my PM and since we’ve not had a Night yet ( the only time off boards can be used) it makes sense that
* either the set up was tweaked- possible *Or the players that know who is on their team are CE-also possible
My thought process was a tad better than the shoot in the dark method of choosing who to watch closer
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Day One
Nov 25, 2012 20:10:09 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Nov 25, 2012 20:10:09 GMT -5
NETA the bottom line is- anyone that can communicate off board is NOT Town ( LG) even if my initial concept was flawed
no PIS here
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Day One
Nov 25, 2012 21:23:28 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 25, 2012 21:23:28 GMT -5
you mis parse as usual. i think the mog made it clear that their were going to be odd combinations of wincons and combos. so is your plea to bring out lawful evils and join your side if that is in fact your role? that way the lawfuls win and town is fucked? a lot of times masons will not necessarily know who is against them. but they sure as fuck know who is with them. capiche? Peeker could you answer three questions: 1. How do you know Pizza is not on your team? 2. Are you claiming mason? 3. Don't you realise that if lawful wins, Town wins? Perfect Information Syndrome. certain players, particularly scum, have information that most players don't. sometimes these players post something that seems to indicate they know more than they should. Nothing else worth commenting on? Not one thing?[/quote] ok, i'll try. i have information from the mod that he is not on my team/aligned with me yes uh dude, check the farking rules. lawful does not equate to town. jeebuz. lawful wins regardless of good or evil. unless i have totally mis parsed the whole fucking thing. i mean folks this is a big different game than them v us. them could be us or them could be them or us could be them ffs.
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Nov 25, 2012 21:27:12 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 25, 2012 21:27:12 GMT -5
NETA the bottom line is- anyone that can communicate off board is NOT Town ( LG) even if my initial concept was flawed no PIS here where the fuck is this coming from? really, no shit? so if there are lawful good folks that in kind of a band of brothers type of fucking situation and they have the ability to communicate off thread that makes them "NOT town". whatever the fuck you are smoking, i want some.
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Day One
Nov 25, 2012 21:47:12 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Nov 25, 2012 21:47:12 GMT -5
Okay after reading, three observations/questions: @peeker - I'm generally against "slips" of any sort. Considering this particular one is coming from peeker of all people, who makes sense once a year when the planets are all aligned properly, I'm going to take it all with a grain of salt. It seems like an easy Day One bandwagon jump for people who are looking for an easy out and data point. Voting for peeker at this juncture seems like a "well, it's better than anything else on Day One" vote which is an excuse people use to not actually hunt for scum. The easiest vote, especially early on Day One, is usually not the best. <snipped> c'mon po i have been the de facto lynch for non "town aligned" folks for almost a decade. i stopped playing for about a year for that very reason. i play for entertainment and engagement but if you just get gigged because your name pops up it kind of ceases to be fun (for the gigee). i really appreciate the role you gave me where folks were killing me for no reason other than being me but i got to keep coming back.
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Day One
Nov 25, 2012 21:53:33 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Nov 25, 2012 21:53:33 GMT -5
NETA the bottom line is- anyone that can communicate off board is NOT Town ( LG) even if my initial concept was flawed no PIS here where the fuck is this coming from? really, no shit? so if there are lawful good folks that in kind of a band of brothers type of fucking situation and they have the ability to communicate off thread that makes them "NOT town". whatever the fuck you are smoking, i want some. Shite, I already danced with your mason crumbs ( or are you a selective reader too?) A LG mason would know who was on their mason team – but not who was-or wasn’t- LG
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Nov 25, 2012 23:54:21 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Nov 25, 2012 23:54:21 GMT -5
The mod has stated that some roles will have powers that will not allow players to vote for other players.
I was, and still am, under the assumption that Peeker either has this condition, or a similar one.
That being said, I don't get the bandwagon on Peeker.
I believe he could rightly possess information, limited or otherwise, regarding who is on his team.
It all cancels out and simplifies down to a null tell for me.
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Nov 25, 2012 23:57:03 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Nov 25, 2012 23:57:03 GMT -5
Are we voting the information, or are we voting the Peeker?
That is, would the same number of votes be in place in someone else has made the same play as Peeker has here, instead of Peeker?
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Nov 26, 2012 1:26:49 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Nov 26, 2012 1:26:49 GMT -5
Are we voting the information, or are we voting the Peeker? That is, would the same number of votes be in place in someone else has made the same play as Peeker has here, instead of Peeker? I would have made the same vote on anyone who made that statement. I haven't read and didn't participate in the last game like this so I am only familiar with the traditional setup. I don't think it was a knee jerk reaction on my part to place a vote, though it has been characterized as such. It was simply in my experience that the only team who knew their teammates was scum. Voting has to start somewhere to get people talking. Now that I have an explanation I will: [red]unvote peekercpa[/red]
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Nov 26, 2012 3:58:50 GMT -5
Post by Total Ullz on Nov 26, 2012 3:58:50 GMT -5
I need to catch up before I have anything of value to add to this game * * Disclaimer: Provided my poor logic will allow to provide anything in that direction
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Nov 26, 2012 4:08:50 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Nov 26, 2012 4:08:50 GMT -5
I need more info from peeker before moving my vote..
Peeker:Are you claiming Lawful Evil?
As I see it, we have two options (for LG) - Go for the 'good' victory, or the 'lawful' victory. If LE are masons, that would give us a huge advantage (depending on the size of the LE team).
The question is: If all LE are masons, what are CG?
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Day One
Nov 26, 2012 8:54:00 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Nov 26, 2012 8:54:00 GMT -5
Okay, I'm caught up now after my nice long Thanksgiving weekend.
Given my long break, I'm not sure how much my pet theory still stands...but LightFoot has basically epitomized it. Throwing a smudge on peeker due to supposed PIS, but not bothering to actually vote on it--just putting it out there and letting others start the bandwagon. And given that the rules specifically state that multiple roles could have off-board communications, I think his PIS is ultimately meaningless as to whether or not we should lynch him.
Vote: LightFoot
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Nov 26, 2012 8:59:56 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Nov 26, 2012 8:59:56 GMT -5
Peeker, is your role identied as Mason or are you just assuming you're a mason because you know some of your fellow team members?
Drain, what do you make of Peeker's claim that he's a mason AND has information that Pizza is not on his team?
Chucara, would you consider a scum team who have access to an offsite board where they can communicate and strategize at Night to be masons?
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Nov 26, 2012 10:45:02 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Nov 26, 2012 10:45:02 GMT -5
guiri: By masons, I assume somehow being able to win with town, so no. What you describe is essentially scum.
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Nov 26, 2012 10:50:33 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Nov 26, 2012 10:50:33 GMT -5
Well no, if they are not town, they are not masons, they are just a faction of third party players who can with with either scum or town and who can strategize on an off-site board.
Based on your explanation both the LE and the CG teams would be "masons" - that is not the case so it's best not to call them "masons" as that will lead to confusion.
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Nov 26, 2012 10:58:31 GMT -5
Post by Drain Bead on Nov 26, 2012 10:58:31 GMT -5
My guess is that peeker is not Scum--Not to say "Scum wouldn't do that" but I don't think that a Scum peek makes that slip early on Day One. My admittedly uneducated guess is that he's a member of one of the teams who could win with Town or Scum, and he knows exactly who his teammates are, and atpg is not one of them.
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Day One
Nov 26, 2012 10:59:20 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Nov 26, 2012 10:59:20 GMT -5
So why's he claiming mason?
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Nov 26, 2012 11:04:54 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Nov 26, 2012 11:04:54 GMT -5
NETA And if Lightfoot is CE, Peeker must be LE or CG? Why are you discounting the possibility that LightFoot and peeker could both be CE?
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Day One
Nov 26, 2012 11:05:16 GMT -5
Post by astralrejection on Nov 26, 2012 11:05:16 GMT -5
I haven't read and didn't participate in the last game like this so I am only familiar with the traditional setup. I don't think it was a knee jerk reaction on my part to place a vote, though it has been characterized as such. It was simply in my experience that the only team who knew their teammates was scum. Voting has to start somewhere to get people talking. I don't find this convincing. Literally the first sentence of the signup thread reads "This will be a four-faction game." Prior to your vote for Peeker, there had been a fair amount of discussion about what this entails, and there have also been many comments about the rules. 3 posts after your vote, Lightfoot states that it looks "like the last game," and that all teams but LG probably have off-board discussion. In a game like this, I believe that thinking this is a traditional setup betrays a traditional scum thought process. Which I believe makes you chaotic-evil. Vote Hockey Monkey(It's even harder posting here on my phone than it is on the Dope!)
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Day One
Nov 26, 2012 11:16:16 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Nov 26, 2012 11:16:16 GMT -5
NETA And if Lightfoot is CE, Peeker must be LE or CG? Why are you discounting the possibility that LightFoot and peeker could both be CE? You're right, it's nowhere near certain, it's my instinct based on Peeker's comment about Pizza not being on his team + my deduction that Lightfoot is likely CE + their interactions.
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Day One
Nov 26, 2012 11:28:11 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Nov 26, 2012 11:28:11 GMT -5
Upon researching the original I was reminded that as LE (I think) last incarnation, I nearly lynched a teammate because I did not know they were on my team Day One I do remember now that in that game I was not told who was on my team in my PM and since we’ve not had a Night yet ( the only time off boards can be used) it makes sense that * either the set up was tweaked- possible *Or the players that know who is on their team are CE-also possible The last game started Night 0, all non-LG players had access to their offsite boards to introduce themselves and begin strategizing. Your two colleagues simply didn't show up so you went into D1 unaware who was on your team, I don't believe it was by design
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Nov 26, 2012 12:26:38 GMT -5
Post by lightfoot on Nov 26, 2012 12:26:38 GMT -5
I have said many times that I didn’t recall all the specifics of the first game guiri remembered more than I did about my role even I was trying to help this game with my albeit flawed memories of the set up then Upon researching the original I was reminded that as LE (I think) last incarnation, I nearly lynched a teammate because I did not know they were on my team Day One I do remember now that in that game I was not told who was on my team in my PM and since we’ve not had a Night yet ( the only time off boards can be used) it makes sense that * either the set up was tweaked- possible *Or the players that know who is on their team are CE-also possible The last game started Night 0, all non-LG players had access to their offsite boards to introduce themselves and begin strategizing. Your two colleagues simply didn't show up so you went into D1 unaware who was on your team, I don't believe it was by design I didn’t think it was by design either- You’re remembering/researching better than I Since we’ve not had a Night 0 this go – my two points are valid- Okay, I'm caught up now after my nice long Thanksgiving weekend. Given my long break, I'm not sure how much my pet theory still stands...but LightFoot has basically epitomized it. Throwing a smudge on peeker due to supposed PIS, but not bothering to actually vote on it--just putting it out there and letting others start the bandwagon. And given that the rules specifically state that multiple roles could have off-board communications, I think his PIS is ultimately meaningless as to whether or not we should lynch him. Vote: LightFoot [/color][/quote] Can you show me where I started anything on peeker I don’t think so
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Nov 26, 2012 12:57:31 GMT -5
Post by patricia on Nov 26, 2012 12:57:31 GMT -5
Got my PM - and ready to go - looks like I have some catching up to do - Hope everyone that a nice thanksgiving.
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