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Post by peekercpa on Dec 3, 2012 16:26:01 GMT -5
and even though I played in the last game, I am still some what confused as to how Burby dying helps LG to win. From the diagram that someone posted, I want CG or LE to survive with town and with LE being one player down. So is Burby dying a good or bad thing? I would think that it is bad for town... well he was evil so i guess if you are good that is fine. if you are evil probably not so much.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 3, 2012 16:31:37 GMT -5
Turns out he wasn't Chaotic Evil, which is the direct opposition of my wincon. Do you believe there's any danger in self-outing your alignment during a night phase? I thought after all the rigamorole over me not realizing all of the non-LG factions could communicate off board made it pretty clear that I wasn't LE or CG. Maybe CE will kill me tonight. Maybe another faction will. That ship sailed the moment I voted for peeker for saying someone else wasn't on his team. CE already knew I wasn't on their team, so yeah, I fucked up, but not by claiming just now. And Sister Coyote...I'm getting the hang of it now.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 3, 2012 16:34:13 GMT -5
Sorry for my absence. Spent a couple of days in the hospital. I'll try to keep up from here on out. Yikes! Hope everything's okay.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 3, 2012 16:35:35 GMT -5
and even though I played in the last game, I am still some what confused as to how Burby dying helps LG to win. From the diagram that someone posted, I want CG or LE to survive with town and with LE being one player down. So is Burby dying a good or bad thing? I would think that it is bad for town... well he was evil so i guess if you are good that is fine. if you are evil probably not so much. Peeks: LG wins with LE or CG so long as all CE are dead. CE wins with LE or CG so long as all LG are dead. LE cannot win with CG alive. CG cannot win with LE alive. So it's not so simple as "good" vs. "evil."
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Post by Askthepizzaguy on Dec 3, 2012 17:59:34 GMT -5
Yeah, in this game, evil can be good. Or something.
Lawful being the operative word. Lawful Good and Evil are sort of like Democrats and Republicans. They're following/writing the laws but generally being dicks to each other.
Chaotic Good and Lawful Good can be on the same side. Sort of like Batman and Commissioner Gordon. They fight crime but on different sides of the law.
What you want to avoid is a Chaotic Evil and Chaotic Good alliance, or a Lawful Evil and Chaotic Evil alliance.
Piling on Lawful Evil doesn't help if the scumbags kill off Lawful Good. That just means Chaotic people win the game together, and town loses.
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Post by guiri on Dec 3, 2012 18:02:04 GMT -5
Look, the last game there were 19 players, the majority, 10, were LG and there were 3 each on the other teams, it's not as simple as we're all on teams of equal value and we must align at all costs with one team in order to defeat the others. This game has more players and may have had additional tweaks but if Peeker was willing to claim in order to save Mahaloth, I doubt there are any more than 4 players on their team. Claiming LG is not the end of the world but it makes it does give CE a clear shot.
Ginger and Hockey, there's no way on earth you could have been reading the game and believed that Peeker and Mahaloth were masons, it's just Peeker's attempt at spin to make you feel more comfortable about him NOT being on your team. I cannot fathom how Ginger saw this worth unvoting over given her past experience in the game. And I find it ever harder to understand why Hockey listened to Peeker's advice and unvoted Mahaloth.
And with two outed CG players waiting to be picked off and a single dead LE, I don't see why people are paying any attention to them
There was a very good reason to unvote Mahaloth, LE need him dead so by not wasting a lynch on him, we could have been sure to leave a clear target for LE for toNight and used the lynch on someone we suspected to be CE.
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Post by Chucara on Dec 3, 2012 18:12:38 GMT -5
Hm.. Is there any way LG can benefit from the two detectives on the 3rd party teams?
Obviously, we don't know the role of peeker or Mahaloth, but would your team be willing to share investigation results with LG if they are CE?
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Post by guiri on Dec 3, 2012 18:44:02 GMT -5
Hm.. Is there any way LG can benefit from the two detectives on the 3rd party teams? Obviously, we don't know the role of peeker or Mahaloth, but would your team be willing to share investigation results with LG if they are CE? It's not a given that there are detectives on the third party teams.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Dec 3, 2012 18:44:12 GMT -5
Look, the last game there were 19 players, the majority, 10, were LG and there were 3 each on the other teams, it's not as simple as we're all on teams of equal value and we must align at all costs with one team in order to defeat the others. This game has more players and may have had additional tweaks but if Peeker was willing to claim in order to save Mahaloth, I doubt there are any more than 4 players on their team. Claiming LG is not the end of the world but it makes it does give CE a clear shot. Ginger and Hockey, there's no way on earth you could have been reading the game and believed that Peeker and Mahaloth were masons, it's just Peeker's attempt at spin to make you feel more comfortable about him NOT being on your team. I cannot fathom how Ginger saw this worth unvoting over given her past experience in the game. And I find it ever harder to understand why Hockey listened to Peeker's advice and unvoted Mahaloth. And with two outed CG players waiting to be picked off and a single dead LE, I don't see why people are paying any attention to them There was a very good reason to unvote Mahaloth, LE need him dead so by not wasting a lynch on him, we could have been sure to leave a clear target for LE for toNight and used the lynch on someone we suspected to be CE. I said that I did not 100% believe him since Peeker did in fact vote for [bMalaloth[/b] just prior to that, but It was the end of Day and I did not have time to really dive deep into Peeker's posts and translate them. I gave the benefit of the doubt to him. Honestly I was confused with the other game as well with the LG, LE, CG, and CE alignments.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 3, 2012 18:58:43 GMT -5
Do you believe there's any danger in self-outing your alignment during a night phase? I thought after all the rigamorole over me not realizing all of the non-LG factions could communicate off board made it pretty clear that I wasn't LE or CG. Maybe CE will kill me tonight. Maybe another faction will. That ship sailed the moment I voted for peeker for saying someone else wasn't on his team. CE already knew I wasn't on their team, so yeah, I fucked up, but not by claiming just now. And Sister Coyote...I'm getting the hang of it now. well i know you are not cg, so there is that.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 3, 2012 19:29:34 GMT -5
Look, the last game there were 19 players, the majority, 10, were LG and there were 3 each on the other teams, it's not as simple as we're all on teams of equal value and we must align at all costs with one team in order to defeat the others. This game has more players and may have had additional tweaks but if Peeker was willing to claim in order to save Mahaloth, I doubt there are any more than 4 players on their team. Claiming LG is not the end of the world but it makes it does give CE a clear shot. Ginger and Hockey, there's no way on earth you could have been reading the game and believed that Peeker and Mahaloth were masons, it's just Peeker's attempt at spin to make you feel more comfortable about him NOT being on your team. I cannot fathom how Ginger saw this worth unvoting over given her past experience in the game. And I find it ever harder to understand why Hockey listened to Peeker's advice and unvoted Mahaloth. And with two outed CG players waiting to be picked off and a single dead LE, I don't see why people are paying any attention to them There was a very good reason to unvote Mahaloth, LE need him dead so by not wasting a lynch on him, we could have been sure to leave a clear target for LE for toNight and used the lynch on someone we suspected to be CE. Guiri, it's not that I 100% OMG believe peeker. I can barely understand what he posts. BUT, if he's CE, he can't claim to be CG or LE because, as I understand it now, all of these factions have their own boards and know who each other are. So claiming CG when he's not would out himself to the real CG team who could call him on it. The only claim CE have is LG, because we don't know who is on our team with us. Right now, I want to lynch CE. There is no need to lynch peeker or Mahaloth right now. The LE and CG factions can duke it out with each other during the night if they have night kill abilities. People who claim CG or LE should not be lynched. So where does that leave me and my claim? Well, smart CE would be pushing for my lynch tomorrow since they know I'm telling the truth and they need me dead.
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Post by Meeko on Dec 3, 2012 22:22:57 GMT -5
well he was evil so i guess if you are good that is fine. if you are evil probably not so much. Peeks: LG wins with LE or CG so long as all CE are dead. CE wins with LE or CG so long as all LG are dead. LE cannot win with CG alive. CG cannot win with LE alive. So it's not so simple as "good" vs. "evil." And the people who forgot this were trying to make mountains out of molehills. Motivations have been, are, and will be on their ear in this game. At the point we have four factions, I think the body count will be high too.
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Post by Meeko on Dec 3, 2012 22:24:09 GMT -5
Look, the last game there were 19 players, the majority, 10, were LG and there were 3 each on the other teams, it's not as simple as we're all on teams of equal value and we must align at all costs with one team in order to defeat the others. This game has more players and may have had additional tweaks but if Peeker was willing to claim in order to save Mahaloth, I doubt there are any more than 4 players on their team. Claiming LG is not the end of the world but it makes it does give CE a clear shot. Ginger and Hockey, there's no way on earth you could have been reading the game and believed that Peeker and Mahaloth were masons, it's just Peeker's attempt at spin to make you feel more comfortable about him NOT being on your team. I cannot fathom how Ginger saw this worth unvoting over given her past experience in the game. And I find it ever harder to understand why Hockey listened to Peeker's advice and unvoted Mahaloth. And with two outed CG players waiting to be picked off and a single dead LE, I don't see why people are paying any attention to them There was a very good reason to unvote Mahaloth, LE need him dead so by not wasting a lynch on him, we could have been sure to leave a clear target for LE for toNight and used the lynch on someone we suspected to be CE. Guiri, it's not that I 100% OMG believe peeker. I can barely understand what he posts. BUT, if he's CE, he can't claim to be CG or LE because, as I understand it now, all of these factions have their own boards and know who each other are. So claiming CG when he's not would out himself to the real CG team who could call him on it. The only claim CE have is LG, because we don't know who is on our team with us. Right now, I want to lynch CE. There is no need to lynch peeker or Mahaloth right now. The LE and CG factions can duke it out with each other during the night if they have night kill abilities. People who claim CG or LE should not be lynched. So where does that leave me and my claim? Well, smart CE would be pushing for my lynch tomorrow since they know I'm telling the truth and they need me dead. Why are even discussing claims again?
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Post by Meeko on Dec 3, 2012 22:25:34 GMT -5
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Post by crys on Dec 3, 2012 23:00:34 GMT -5
Guiri, it's not that I 100% OMG believe peeker. I can barely understand what he posts. BUT, if he's CE, he can't claim to be CG or LE because, as I understand it now, all of these factions have their own boards and know who each other are. So claiming CG when he's not would out himself to the real CG team who could call him on it. The only claim CE have is LG, because we don't know who is on our team with us. Right now, I want to lynch CE. There is no need to lynch peeker or Mahaloth right now. The LE and CG factions can duke it out with each other during the night if they have night kill abilities. People who claim CG or LE should not be lynched. So where does that leave me and my claim? Well, smart CE would be pushing for my lynch tomorrow since they know I'm telling the truth and they need me dead. Why are even discussing claims again? I think there are many players that never played D&D so they are confused by the alignments. I however am not, and I just want to say that you have never, ever truly played dungeons and dragons unless you have played in a campaign ran by Gary Gygax! As you were!
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Post by KidVermicious on Dec 4, 2012 3:32:03 GMT -5
Sorry for my absence. Spent a couple of days in the hospital. I'll try to keep up from here on out. Yuck . Hope everything is groovier for you now.
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Post by Meeko on Dec 4, 2012 6:42:01 GMT -5
Why are even discussing claims again? I think there are many players that never played D&D so they are confused by the alignments. I however am not, and I just want to say that you have never, ever truly played dungeons and dragons unless you have played in a campaign ran by Gary Gygax! As you were! I know a guy who met the guy. And I know the guy who started Dragon*Con. As you were.
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Post by crys on Dec 4, 2012 7:59:48 GMT -5
I think there are many players that never played D&D so they are confused by the alignments. I however am not, and I just want to say that you have never, ever truly played dungeons and dragons unless you have played in a campaign ran by Gary Gygax! As you were! I know a guy who met the guy. And I know the guy who started Dragon*Con. As you were. Cool. Gary was an awesome individual. Tsr (the company where D&D was created is now a winery though) I drive past it everyday on my way to work.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 4, 2012 8:50:16 GMT -5
well he was evil so i guess if you are good that is fine. if you are evil probably not so much. Peeks: LG wins with LE or CG so long as all CE are dead. CE wins with LE or CG so long as all LG are dead. LE cannot win with CG alive. CG cannot win with LE alive. So it's not so simple as "good" vs. "evil." i get that there are various permutations of wincons. but unless i just misparse farking everything in all case if you are good and you kill all the evil you win, right?
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 4, 2012 9:04:40 GMT -5
Look, the last game there were 19 players, the majority, 10, were LG and there were 3 each on the other teams, it's not as simple as we're all on teams of equal value and we must align at all costs with one team in order to defeat the others. This game has more players and may have had additional tweaks but if Peeker was willing to claim in order to save Mahaloth, I doubt there are any more than 4 players on their team. Claiming LG is not the end of the world but it makes it does give CE a clear shot. Ginger and Hockey, there's no way on earth you could have been reading the game and believed that Peeker and Mahaloth were masons, it's just Peeker's attempt at spin to make you feel more comfortable about him NOT being on your team. I cannot fathom how Ginger saw this worth unvoting over given her past experience in the game. And I find it ever harder to understand why Hockey listened to Peeker's advice and unvoted Mahaloth. And with two outed CG players waiting to be picked off and a single dead LE, I don't see why people are paying any attention to them There was a very good reason to unvote Mahaloth, LE need him dead so by not wasting a lynch on him, we could have been sure to leave a clear target for LE for toNight and used the lynch on someone we suspected to be CE. guiri i quoted your whole post because dag nabbit you are scary good. but i disagree with your characterization of a mason claim. masons are a small subset of the group who know who each other are, right? i know maha is a part of that subset. i also know that we are good. and to some extent if either of us gets killed toNight (which i highly predict) that confirms the other. additionally there is a mechanism that will allow us to confirm another. so unless we both get killed (please god let a doc protect one of us) the good faction will have another in their pocket. now if your math is right on the prior setup that really puts a shitload less of folks in the to be lynched pile if good wants to win. sure, i am trying to game the system a touch to give my team(s) a better chance to win. but, honestly isn't that we all do every game.
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Post by peekercpa on Dec 4, 2012 9:34:52 GMT -5
neta: if there is a doc protect maha over me. swear it is the best choice.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Dec 4, 2012 10:10:43 GMT -5
Or, if you're lawful kill all the chaotic, same thing.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Dec 4, 2012 11:26:43 GMT -5
Well...I just got back from Real Life to see that I'm dead.
Fair enough, I suppose. Sorry for going AWOL on you all...
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I meant to quote this, not edit it. Sorry! -KidV
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Post by Meeko on Dec 4, 2012 12:58:20 GMT -5
I know a guy who met the guy. And I know the guy who started Dragon*Con. As you were. Cool. Gary was an awesome individual. Tsr (the company where D&D was created is now a winery though) I drive past it everyday on my way to work. This is where I tell you that I Indeed worked for WIzards of the coast for a while. Check and mate. Ok so it was retail, for holiday 1999 and 2000. But I still got paid from WOTC nonetheless.
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Post by KidVermicious on Dec 4, 2012 13:16:00 GMT -5
Prox 13 hours to deadline for Night actions. I'm still missing several.
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Post by KidVermicious on Dec 4, 2012 13:18:18 GMT -5
Well...I just got back from Real Life to see that I'm dead.
Fair enough, I suppose. Sorry for going AWOL on you all...
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Dec 4, 2012 14:13:45 GMT -5
seems i missed EOD and the swing to Suburban. seems that strategy is allowed as well. Hm.. Is there any way LG can benefit from the two detectives on the 3rd party teams? Obviously, we don't know the role of peeker or Mahaloth, but would your team be willing to share investigation results with LG if they are CE? It's not a given that there are detectives on the third party teams. i agree. what made him think that there are detectives in the 3rd party factions? it seems Chucara is 3rd party and has a cop in his team or scum who have a cop and he assumed the other teams had too. --------------- Drain Bead, hope you're better now.
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Post by Chucara on Dec 4, 2012 15:42:22 GMT -5
i agree. what made him think that there are detectives in the 3rd party factions? it seems Chucara is 3rd party and has a cop in his team or scum who have a cop and he assumed the other teams had too.. The possible roles list indicates a detective on each 3rd party team
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Post by Pollux Oil on Dec 4, 2012 15:53:32 GMT -5
Hey everyone, as a heads up, my mother fell and broke her leg, possibly hip as well. My participation over the next few days will most likely be dodgy at best since I will likely be in and out of the hospital depending on how bad it turns out. I apologize.
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Post by KidVermicious on Dec 4, 2012 16:41:33 GMT -5
The next person who comes in here with bad news gets 5 penalty votes. :mad:
Best wishes, Pollux. Come back when you can.
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