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Dec 5, 2012 17:59:51 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Dec 5, 2012 17:59:51 GMT -5
If you have a remorseful killer, and if they attempted to kill someone last Night, did they hit Astral or Meeko? If they hit Astral, then their vote is intact but if they hit Meeko, they will have lost their vote. You could possibly save everyone having to vote and wait for a vote count by telling us now. so you have a remorseful killer on your team that whacked badly? And so I'm trying to out them? The fact is I may have a remorseful killer on my team and that remorseful killer may have misfired last Night and may have lost their vote and may be outed if we successfully manage to have everyone vote either you or me but I don't know. I suspect a CG remorseful killer would have have held off on N1 and so I hope to either identify the LE killer, the CG killer or determine which was the scum kill.
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Dec 5, 2012 18:00:10 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 5, 2012 18:00:10 GMT -5
Seriously, I have no idea what is happening in this game. Why are we supposed to vote guiri? it was his suggestion. Right, but I don't understand the logic. Why is guiri suggesting that EVERYONE should vote either him or you? What would (any LG) voting guiri prove? (Assuming guiri is LG, which I am beginning to doubt)
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Dec 5, 2012 18:01:43 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Dec 5, 2012 18:01:43 GMT -5
i don't know much about killing. remember i and my group are masons. we build. Keep it up, some people are already buying it!
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Dec 5, 2012 18:05:06 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 5, 2012 18:05:06 GMT -5
so you have a remorseful killer on your team that whacked badly? And so I'm trying to out them? The fact is I may have a remorseful killer on my team and that remorseful killer may have misfired last Night and may have lost their vote and may be outed if we successfully manage to have everyone vote either you or me but I don't know. I suspect a CG remorseful killer would have have held off on N1 and so I hope to either identify the LE killer, the CG killer or determine which was the scum kill. ok, i understand now (sorry i am a little slow on the uptake). but you really wouldn't know what your killer was doing? that's really stretching the boundaries of believability.
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Dec 5, 2012 18:06:40 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 5, 2012 18:06:40 GMT -5
[oog]this is why i love you gals and guys. what fun![/oog]
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Dec 5, 2012 18:09:01 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 5, 2012 18:09:01 GMT -5
Ok, I see where you are coming from guiri. Also, I hate that peeker keeps referring to his team as masons when they are 3rd party, but they are at least honest about that.
I'll play along, but I'm willing to bet that you wont get all people to do this.
unvote all[/b] Vote guiri[/b]
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Dec 5, 2012 18:11:02 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Dec 5, 2012 18:11:02 GMT -5
What would (any LG) voting guiri prove? There are up to three remorseful killers in this game. If a remorseful killer kills another player who shares any part of their alignment (ie LG kills LE or CG, CG kills LG or CE, LE kills LG or CE), they will lose their vote but can continue killing. If they misfire a second time, they become vanilla. Since last Night someone killed Astral, who was LE, and Meeko, who was LG, I suspect there may have been one or even two misfires. If Peeker tells us that the CG team have a remorseful killer and that killer misfired and killed Meeko by mistake, we know that: a. The CG remorseful killer can no longer vote b. Astral must have been killed by either a Town remorseful killer or CE c. There's no need to do the vote test If Peeker tells us that the CG team have a remorseful killer and that killer killed Astral last Night, we know that: a. Meeko was the scum kill b. There's no need to do the vote test If Peeker doesn't share that bit of information, having everyone vote either Peeker or me will either show: a. One or more players have lost their vote and so are remorseful killers who misfired OR b. Everyone's vote counts, we lost a couple of hours early in the Day and learned that NONE of the kills were misfires AND c. Meeko was killed by CE, Astral was killed by CG (Assuming guiri is LG, which I am beginning to doubt) Well, here's your chance to vote me!
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Dec 5, 2012 18:11:41 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 5, 2012 18:11:41 GMT -5
i don't know much about killing. remember i and my group are masons. we build. Keep it up, some people are already buying it! when you turn green with envy is when i will be satisfied. heh heh mod request: can we please get a vote count? thanks in advance for your help
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Dec 5, 2012 18:13:16 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 5, 2012 18:13:16 GMT -5
no one on my team targeted either of the dead
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Dec 5, 2012 18:19:48 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 5, 2012 18:19:48 GMT -5
neta: and i keep saying "my" when really it is "our". sorry folks. no dis was intended. chastise me as much as needed.
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Dec 5, 2012 18:20:43 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 5, 2012 18:20:43 GMT -5
Ok, to prove I'm not a killa -
[colr=blue]Vote guiri[/blue]
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Dec 5, 2012 18:22:01 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Dec 5, 2012 18:22:01 GMT -5
geez
vote guiri[/color]
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Dec 5, 2012 18:23:00 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 5, 2012 18:23:00 GMT -5
hey, maha get in her and vote guiri. because i kind of see what he is saying.
i still think he's scum, however.
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Dec 5, 2012 18:25:17 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 5, 2012 18:25:17 GMT -5
In theory, couldn't everyone just vote for whoever they felt most scummy as long as they vote as soon as possible?
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Dec 5, 2012 18:25:58 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 5, 2012 18:25:58 GMT -5
guiri What will your vote peeker or guiri bit prove? CG will vote you (or ignore the request) And if a RK has lost their vote they’ll just ignore your request But a game that can be broken by a spread sheet in a few Days is not a good set up- so I don't know about a few Days - based on vote records so far my spread sheet gives me 8 possible buddies of Mahaloth & Peeker, 11 possible buddies of Astral & Suburban, and 19 potential CE. Because every official vote count gives us information and after a few death reveals some things may become obvious By the numbers from your spreadsheet it appears you may have more information of alliances than I do- ? I have 11 possible CG including myself since I’m using un-biased intel and you have 8 Are there 2 players that you know more about than I- or is my spreadsheet borked?
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Dec 5, 2012 18:26:49 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 5, 2012 18:26:49 GMT -5
Ok, I see where you are coming from guiri. Also, I hate that peeker keeps referring to his team as masons when they are 3rd party, but they are at least honest about that. I'll play along, but I'm willing to bet that you wont get all people to do this. unvote all Vote guiri<bleached> i don't know what description you would use for good (townie) aligned folks other than masons. certainly if you would like to use 3rd party for that characterization that is up to you. but it kind of raises my hackles a touch.
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Dec 5, 2012 18:28:17 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Dec 5, 2012 18:28:17 GMT -5
no one on my team targeted either of the dead OK, that helps, I think, assuming it's the truth. I'm not sure if it's worthwhile continuing with the test with that information though, at best we'd identify the LE killer only and there's a tiny chance a town remorseful killer went wild last Night. hey, maha get in her and vote guiri. because i kind of see what he is saying. i still think he's scum, however. Knowing some people's propensity to disappear for days at a time, I'll probably end up lynched due to players not getting back in time to unvote before EoD!
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Dec 5, 2012 18:32:39 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Dec 5, 2012 18:32:39 GMT -5
I have 11 possible CG including myself since I’m using un-biased intel and you have 8 Are there 2 players that you know more about than I- or is my spreadsheet borked? I think I answered your first question before. As for the numbers, I obviously excluded myself as potential CG, along with MHaye for his vote toDay, and also votes made during D1 that were unvoted later.
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Dec 5, 2012 18:33:31 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 5, 2012 18:33:31 GMT -5
In theory, couldn't everyone just vote for whoever they felt most scummy as long as they vote as soon as possible? guiri is trying to prove a point. i think we owe him that. if we have a remorseful killer on each faction working under the constraints that he has laid out then their vote will not count. yes, everyone who is good needs to vote asap. it will make the spreadsheet easier to fill out.
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Dec 5, 2012 18:38:22 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Dec 5, 2012 18:38:22 GMT -5
..snip.. i don't know what description you would use for good (townie) aligned folks other than masons. certainly if you would like to use 3rd party for that characterization that is up to you. but it kind of raises my hackles a touch. Good != Town -> Good+Lawful = Town You don't share my win-condition. "Real" masons would share the townie(LG) win-condition. I'm not sure what schemes you might be playing behind our backs. That you keep naming yourselves as masons feels as though you are trying to hide something. That being said, I currently have no reason not to believe your claims. Now assuming you have 3 people on your team, and on the other 3rd party team, you just need one more opponent gone and you have won. I think LG would gladly help you find that last player assuming we get something in return. This is why I would like to know what roles you have available on your team.
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Dec 5, 2012 19:05:17 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Dec 5, 2012 19:05:17 GMT -5
I too feel like Peekers and Maha are playing this whole smoke and mirrors game.
Does anyone really believe their CG Mason claim? How percentage wise do you believe them?
I have to admit I'm worried about them playing a whole elaborate scam on us, and being blindsided. Maybe after some shenanigans I saw in another game, I've just lost trust in anyone at the moment.
I've already voted Peekers yesterday....no harm doing a quick:
Vote: Guiri
just for the exercise.....I will unvote this after the vote count, because I have no ping on Guiri at all.
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Dec 5, 2012 19:10:18 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Dec 5, 2012 19:10:18 GMT -5
You know I'm starting to have second doubts on this "test as well.
Yes the test will give everyone good information, but it will also tell CE exactly where to aim and shoot full force. I've already proven I'm not on Peeker's team. I don't think I need to prove whether I'm on Guiri's team or not.
Guiri, are you claiming LE?
Unvote: Guiri
I don't think I need to tell CE exactly what team I'm on. KWIM?
(edited for spelling Guiri)
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Dec 5, 2012 19:14:19 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 5, 2012 19:14:19 GMT -5
Guiri: 1. Have I missed your claim? Are you claiming yourself on the same team as Peeker and Mahaloth? 2. Are there 'only' 3 of you in this game as well? 3. Do you have an investigator in your team? 4. Aren't you afraid of dying from the LE team by all claiming? 5. Why all the confusion. Did peeker and Mahaloth not know it was you? 6. Why all the voting. Personally, if you claim yourself on the same team as them, I believe you. EveryoneWhat do you make of all of this CG/LE stuff? Personally, I just find it distracting. I don't really care if LE or CG wins, as long as LG wins. I do see an opportunity in allying ourselves with one or both 3rd party teams. And yes, I am claiming LG, and no - I don't see how claiming town in this game is any worse than claiming town in any other game. If CE wants to use this to NK me, it's a risk I'm willing to take. Anyone, I am all for discovering who is third party and who is not. If LG has an investigator, he/she has a smaller pool to hide in, but he/she also has a smaller pool to investigate. In the end, I believe this to be a plus for LG. I’m compelled (non mechanically) to respond 1. I read guiri saying the opposite 2. Why would anyone answer that and see 1 3. See 2 4. I didn’t see a claim 5. See 1 6. An attempt to see who has vote restrictions LE and CG can dance with whichever side they choose- and also change sides just as quickly, If it becomes public knowledge who the “third parties” are then Scum CE can happily pick off all the Town LG players – If CE thought you might be Chaotic OR Evil they would be less likely to aim at you
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Dec 5, 2012 19:21:40 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 5, 2012 19:21:40 GMT -5
You know I'm starting to have second doubts on this "test as well. Yes the test will give everyone good information, but it will also tell CE exactly where to aim and shoot full force. I've already proven I'm not on Peeker's team. I don't think I need to prove whether I'm on Guiri's team or not. Guiri, are you claiming LE? Unvote: GuiriI don't think I need to tell CE exactly what team I'm on. KWIM? (edited for spelling Guiri) In a five minute span you had 'second thoughts' Did your teammates tell you to unvote right away? Even they will tell you this looks very suspect
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Dec 5, 2012 19:30:29 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Dec 5, 2012 19:30:29 GMT -5
so you have a remorseful killer on your team that whacked badly? And so I'm trying to out them? The fact is I may have a remorseful killer on my team and that remorseful killer may have misfired last Night and may have lost their vote and may be outed if we successfully manage to have everyone vote either you or me but I don't know. I suspect a CG remorseful killer would have have held off on N1 and so I hope to either identify the LE killer, the CG killer or determine which was the scum kill. ‘you don’t know” so you are claiming LG But you are willing to out the LG RK if there is one? If you are LG the LE and CG killers will be neutered if they fire at you so what’s the point ( granted you’d still be dead but it’s a better trade off than outing another LG ?) Am I reading this sideways?
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Dec 5, 2012 19:42:53 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Dec 5, 2012 19:42:53 GMT -5
Lightfoot No I was working on my own version of a spreadsheet in the 10 minutes between posts, and realized it was a bad idea IF Guiri is LE, and LE members can't vote for teammates for me to fully show my hand. I'd rather know if Guiri is infact claiming LE first before I vote for him.
I'm sorry it "looks" bad, but I was starting to wonder if the whole prove who you can vote for was a scam to try and out LG members. As I said in my first post, I have a feeling the wine is pouring freely, and scum is sitting there pointing fingers at us laughing for this debacle.
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Dec 5, 2012 19:50:33 GMT -5
Post by lauriern on Dec 5, 2012 19:50:33 GMT -5
Holy Carp....I don't even begin to know what to think about today's events.........
Are Peeker and Maha trying to help or a really good Scum-ploy?
Either way, I'm so not comfortable voting right now - sorry.
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Dec 5, 2012 20:08:33 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Dec 5, 2012 20:08:33 GMT -5
Sorry, terribly busy still. However:
Vote Guiri
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Dec 5, 2012 20:23:09 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 5, 2012 20:23:09 GMT -5
You know I'm starting to have second doubts on this "test as well. Yes the test will give everyone good information, but it will also tell CE exactly where to aim and shoot full force. I've already proven I'm not on Peeker's team. I don't think I need to prove whether I'm on Guiri's team or not. Guiri, are you claiming LE? Unvote: GuiriI don't think I need to tell CE exactly what team I'm on. KWIM? (edited for spelling Guiri) In a five minute span you had 'second thoughts' Did your teammates tell you to unvote right away? Even they will tell you this looks very suspect so you suspect she has off board communications?
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Dec 5, 2012 20:32:49 GMT -5
Post by peekercpa on Dec 5, 2012 20:32:49 GMT -5
Holy Carp....I don't even begin to know what to think about today's events......... Are Peeker and Maha trying to help or a really good Scum-ploy? Either way, I'm so not comfortable voting right now - sorry. heh heh. that's why we play this game. i can assure you that maha and me are good. i know of at least one other that will confirm this. i will offer myself up as a lynch candidate so that you will see that we are telling the truth. and although we didn't get to discuss it much i would think that my other mate(s) would agree that we want good to win. kind of like masons.
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