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Post by LightFoot on Jan 4, 2013 15:10:22 GMT -5
I am moving the Countdown trigger from 1/3rd of players to 1/2 of players, because I think 4 is too low. From now on, 1/2 of existing players (rounded down) voting for the same player will trigger a 24 hour Countdown to EOD. Lightfoot (4): Crys (9), Mahaloth (11), Peeker (12), HockeyMonkey (22) MHaye (1): Wombat (24) The last vote was 1/4/13 11:50 AM MST, if there are no more valid votes then a 24 hour countdown will EOD will begin 1/5/13 11:50 MST. If any of you are having trouble converting time zones, you can change your profile preference to list board time as MST and then just watch the timestamps. I thought Mahaloth lost the vote?
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Post by KidVermicious on Jan 4, 2013 15:34:05 GMT -5
Shit. Lightfoot : Crys (9), Peeker (12), HockeyMonkey (22) MHaye : Wombat (24) Thanks for making me look dumb, Mahaloth.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 4, 2013 17:39:07 GMT -5
There are fourteen players left.
I believe peeker's claim of CG-hood, since it was supported by Colby before Colby died and was revealed as CG. Consequently I also accept DrainBead and Mahaloth's claims to CGdom.
Mahaloth, you are in the unenviable position of having permanently lost your vote and your power. The only way you have of helping your side win is to talk, analyze what you see and point it out - whether to everyone or on your offboard (at Night only, iirc). I note you said in your third post Today that you kept a low profile the last two Days to hide the fact you cannot vote. I can accept that. However, I urge you to carry on as you have started Today and make yourself a thorn in the side of the Evil folks - assuming you are still working for a Good win.
Drain Bead needs to wake up as well, or LE will be able to outvote you.
That brings me to the main reason for this post - the gamestate.
Of the fourteen players left, if we assume that peeker, Drain Bead and Mahaloth form the remaining CG faction, then there are probably two remaining LE players. (This assumes that CG and LE began with four players each, and then subtracting Astral Rejection and Suburban Plankton, being dead.) Thus there are nine players split between LG and CE.
I must be one of those 9 - I have been counted as voting for both LE and CG players. For the record, I am LG. (I know that will be greeted with septicism in some quarters, I just wanted it down in pixels on screen.)
I said Yesterday that I planned to review LightFoot;s posts and see if anything came to the surface. While I did not get far - new toys distracted me a touch - I read about the first two Days. LightFoot seems to be extremely prolific this game - around 190 posts, 57 of which were on Day 1. My impression was that LightFoot's posting in the first two Days gave an impression of being Town-aligned. I know something pinged me, but whatever it was I didn't capture on a reread. I'll try and finish the job over the weekend, but for now am not likely to vote LightFoot without a confession or similar smoking gun.
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Post by texcat on Jan 4, 2013 17:40:34 GMT -5
I was getting ready to yell to Mahaloth: Liar, liar, pants on fire!, but then I read page 2. I have been re-looking at Patricia. Her reaction to SisC's false accusations of her record look suspicious to me. If someone lies about my record, I stand up and scream and OMGUS vote them for lying. Patricia, instead, made a joking comment in the night thread about it. Even when Patricia was under some early bandwagon lynch pressure yesterDay, she did not accuse SisC of starting the whole bandwagon against her and, in fact, did not vote for SisC. It looks to me like Patricia did not want to attack a fellow scum, SisC. Vote: Patricia
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 4, 2013 17:46:22 GMT -5
Added to the above.
Of the nine players that are either LG or CE, the most likely splits are 7/2 or 6/3 (with LG first) for a starting complement of 4 or 5 CE players. I personally favour the latter.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 4, 2013 17:51:05 GMT -5
and ginger only voted for pizza so that is a dead end What? I have records of JBG voting for Mahaloth, guiri, LightFoot, ATPG and Ulla. The last person who made a careless statement like that turned out to be CE.
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Post by LightFoot on Jan 4, 2013 18:03:43 GMT -5
I was getting ready to yell to Mahaloth: Liar, liar, pants on fire!, but then I read page 2. I have been re-looking at Patricia. Her reaction to SisC's false accusations of her record look suspicious to me. If someone lies about my record, I stand up and scream and OMGUS vote them for lying. Patricia, instead, made a joking comment in the night thread about it. Even when Patricia was under some early bandwagon lynch pressure yesterDay, she did not accuse SisC of starting the whole bandwagon against her and, in fact, did not vote for SisC. It looks to me like Patricia did not want to attack a fellow scum, SisC. Vote: Patricia [/color][/quote] I made my case on Patricia a while back And then peeker proclaimed that Patricia was not an Evil one Either she’s CG ( could they have another one? ) or CG is claiming a detective.
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Post by texcat on Jan 4, 2013 18:09:39 GMT -5
Peeker never explained why he proclaimed Patricia good. He and his team also proclaimed Guiri and Ginger evil and killed them, but then said oops. So until peeker explains his proclamation, I will treat it as fallible as his other proclamations.
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Post by Mahaloth on Jan 4, 2013 18:47:24 GMT -5
And then peeker proclaimed that Patricia was not an Evil one And I'll confirm what peeker has proclaimed. Without going into further detail, I can guarantee patricia is NOT Evil of either kind. She is good.
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Post by Mahaloth on Jan 4, 2013 18:49:47 GMT -5
Mahaloth, you are in the unenviable position of having permanently lost your vote and your power. The only way you have of helping your side win is to talk, analyze what you see and point it out - whether to everyone or on your offboard (at Night only, iirc). I note you said in your third post Today that you kept a low profile the last two Days to hide the fact you cannot vote. I can accept that. However, I urge you to carry on as you have started Today and make yourself a thorn in the side of the Evil folks - assuming you are still working for a Good win. I agree entirely. I kind of had to hide after I lost my vote and still had my kill. By voting, it would have revealed me and made me a target. Now, however, I'm useless. I did, however, take out at least one evil person a few days ago. So there's that. Basically, the "middle time" when I lost my vote but had power made it almost required that I hide. Now, though, I am back. And I am definitely playing for a good win.
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Post by Merestil Haye on Jan 4, 2013 19:33:38 GMT -5
I did, however, take out at least one evil person a few days ago. So there's that. Basically, the "middle time" when I lost my vote but had power made it almost required that I hide. Can I ask who that was, please?
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Post by texcat on Jan 4, 2013 19:36:22 GMT -5
Here's my problem with the proclamation. Patricia has shown a woeful ignorance of the mechanics of the game, particularly as it relates to CG. and Ginger had to be killed by either LE or CE - I'm leaning towards CE so today I think we should look toward people voting for or looking at ginger in the past. so CE was blocked? so if someone can claim a block we would have a good name for CE - anyone want to claim a block last night? Mahaloth - I ddn't think you could kill someone that shares a alignment??? ginger was lg and you are cg??? If she is CG, I certainly don't appreciate her lying so blatantly. If she is LG, then I'd like to know how you know. If CG has an investigator, would it not be in Town's interest to share the results? It's hard for me to believe that you are really working in Town's interest when you have killed two LGs and are hiding information from Town. In this case the investigator would not even have to claim for Town to have the information, it would certainly be possible for you to tell us. I also note that among the possible CE roles is a Godfather. My vote is going to remain on Patricia.
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Post by texcat on Jan 4, 2013 19:38:13 GMT -5
I did, however, take out at least one evil person a few days ago. So there's that. Basically, the "middle time" when I lost my vote but had power made it almost required that I hide. Can I ask who that was, please? And I will second that. According to peeker, you have killed Guiri and Ginger and targeted SisC twice while she was protected. When did you have time to take out an evil guy?
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Post by LightFoot on Jan 4, 2013 21:06:01 GMT -5
If we eat the breadcrumbs CG has either another member ( that’s been hidden) OR- A dead vanilla A RK ( that has confirmed) A protector ( alluded to ) A detector of some sort ( alluded to) They have 3 live members that we know of LE has 2 dead vanilla If we assume balance ( and I do) between the two They have a player with 2 roles ( alternating perhaps?) or CG and LE both have started with 5 members Which means CG is keeping a few details under the carpet while asking LG to not only trust but listen to them Remember this post? cg have decided to protect dizzy toNight. IF We assume that CG and LE started equal ( sound assumption) IF peeker is telling the truth THEN LE has one player left that can vig and or protect ( not likely on the same night) - as does CG OR LE has 2 players left THEN CG would have one player still in hiding Food for thought well I tried to stash it in a spoiler for space- but many don't click links so I'll leave it in
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Post by LightFoot on Jan 4, 2013 21:18:33 GMT -5
Don’t get me wrong- I’m all for LG keeping CG in their pocket for the win- Alex
But if I’m to be block voted by that crew for observing what must be part of the game mechanic- oh and heavens- sharing it- it seems counter-productive
Now when texcat restated what I thought was obvious to all factions they were given kudos by the all knowing peeker - but I’m an evil one Go figure
Note to MHaye I mentioned before I was home alone for most of December ( holidays included) so I had a lot of time for Mafia and I posted and I enjoy the mechanics and mathy problems of this set-up - sometimes I think I've figured something out
Question for Mahaloth as an RK- IF you have a detector of some sort- why not keep it sheathed until you had a clean shot? that bit puzzles me
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Post by crys on Jan 4, 2013 23:03:18 GMT -5
Don’t get me wrong- I’m all for LG keeping CG in their pocket for the win- AlexBut if I’m to be block voted by that crew for observing what must be part of the game mechanic- oh and heavens- sharing it- it seems counter-productive Now when texcat restated what I thought was obvious to all factions they were given kudos by the all knowing peeker - but I’m an evil one Go figure Note to MHaye I mentioned before I was home alone for most of December ( holidays included) so I had a lot of time for Mafia and I posted and I enjoy the mechanics and mathy problems of this set-up - sometimes I think I've figured something out Question for Mahaloth as an RK- IF you have a detector of some sort- why not keep it sheathed until you had a clean shot? that bit puzzles me You keep bringing me back to the point that I think you are a fucking e. You keep trying to bring up all this information in the game that is there for all of us to see and busting CG's balls about the numbers of the players. Truth be told we have no idea about what ce, le, or cg has now or started with. It looks like digging disguised as having good intentions. If you want to keep cg in our (lg) pocket to win quit busting their balls. My vote will stand. Another thing I want to put in on the record wombat made a similar weak case as did I on lightfoot and put her vote there, so if lightfoot swings e we might want to look at wombat.
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Post by crys on Jan 4, 2013 23:04:50 GMT -5
Truth to be told LG has the worst bit out of all the factions because we have absolutely no concrete information and this has been exceptionally frustrating in this game.
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Post by LightFoot on Jan 4, 2013 23:18:26 GMT -5
Don’t get me wrong- I’m all for LG keeping CG in their pocket for the win- AlexBut if I’m to be block voted by that crew for observing what must be part of the game mechanic- oh and heavens- sharing it- it seems counter-productive Now when texcat restated what I thought was obvious to all factions they were given kudos by the all knowing peeker - but I’m an evil one Go figure Note to MHaye I mentioned before I was home alone for most of December ( holidays included) so I had a lot of time for Mafia and I posted and I enjoy the mechanics and mathy problems of this set-up - sometimes I think I've figured something out Question for Mahaloth as an RK- IF you have a detector of some sort- why not keep it sheathed until you had a clean shot? that bit puzzles me You keep bringing me back to the point that I think you are a fucking e. You keep trying to bring up all this information in the game that is there for all of us to see and busting CG's balls about the numbers of the players. Truth be told we have no idea about what ce, le, or cg has now or started with. It looks like digging disguised as having good intentions. If you want to keep cg in our (lg) pocket to win quit busting their balls. My vote will stand. Another thing I want to put in on the record wombat made a similar weak case as did I on lightfoot and put her vote there, so if lightfoot swings e we might want to look at wombat. if the teams are balanced ( CG and LE that is) - and I think they are- CG can shed light on LE's numbers and powers if we get LE somewhat figured out then CE is what's left someone makes a similar week case on the same player as you and voted so they should be questioned? can you please elaborate? flops on floor
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Post by LightFoot on Jan 4, 2013 23:22:42 GMT -5
Hey Wait a minute If my information is there for “ all of us to see” Why am I being voted for bringing it up
And being questioned about it
it’s a viable question
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Post by crys on Jan 4, 2013 23:31:21 GMT -5
You keep bringing me back to the point that I think you are a fucking e. You keep trying to bring up all this information in the game that is there for all of us to see and busting CG's balls about the numbers of the players. Truth be told we have no idea about what ce, le, or cg has now or started with. It looks like digging disguised as having good intentions. If you want to keep cg in our (lg) pocket to win quit busting their balls. My vote will stand. Another thing I want to put in on the record wombat made a similar weak case as did I on lightfoot and put her vote there, so if lightfoot swings e we might want to look at wombat. if the teams are balanced ( CG and LE that is) - and I think they are- CG can shed light on LE's numbers and powers if we get LE somewhat figured out then CE is what's left someone makes a similar week case on the same player as you and voted so they should be questioned? can you please elaborate? flops on floor that was a phrasing error on my part what it should have said is that wombat made a similar weak case on mhaye and did not vote for you. Maybe because she can't because you both are on the same team perhaps. I don't know for sure. Merely speculation I might add.
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Post by crys on Jan 4, 2013 23:36:35 GMT -5
Hey Wait a minute If my information is there for “ all of us to see” Why am I being voted for bringing it up And being questioned about it it’s a viable question Because you are bringing it up. Yes I agree that both teams are most likely balanced. It would lean towards being a common sense situation. However, bringing it up repeatedly and trying to bash the information out of cg isn't in the g factions best interest. This is why I voted you. This is why I am continuing to vote you. Having a concrete knowledge of exactly how many players are on the CG team doesn't help LG if we are going to work with them because it let's LE know for sure how many more people they have to kill. I don't blame CG for staying quiet, and I think that at this point the people that do need to be looked at more closely. And I think that it is in our best interests as LG to work with CG because if they teams were perfectly balanced then CG is already one up on LE and we need numbers more than anything else at the moment.
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Post by LightFoot on Jan 4, 2013 23:38:41 GMT -5
I have voted both LE and CG and CE and it counted- so I'm NOT LE or CG
I don't think CE has the same restriction ( it seems lopsided to me)
SisC voted Pizza - and it counted
so..... so NOPE
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Post by wombat99 on Jan 4, 2013 23:39:29 GMT -5
My vote will stand. Another thing I want to put in on the record wombat made a similar weak case as did I on lightfoot and put her vote there, so if lightfoot swings e we might want to look at wombat. I don't understand this post. I have not voted for Lightfoot. I'm voting for MHaye. Are you confusing me with someone else? And you're saying that someone who votes for an E is more likely to be an E bussing a teammate than a G?
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Post by wombat99 on Jan 4, 2013 23:55:23 GMT -5
that was a phrasing error on my part what it should have said is that wombat made a similar weak case on mhaye and did not vote for you. Maybe because she can't because you both are on the same team perhaps. I don't know for sure. Merely speculation I might add. I think the case against MHaye is stronger. You may disagree. You find it suspicious that I did *not* just jump on the Lightfoot bandwagon, and instead I voted for who I think is likeliest to be CE?
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Post by LightFoot on Jan 5, 2013 0:02:08 GMT -5
Vote: crys for not seeing the nose on her face even when she admits it might be there.
Also to change the timer so others have a chance to see this
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Jan 5, 2013 3:50:01 GMT -5
what's the case on Mhaye?
what's the case on crys?
so, if my vote doesn't count, this shouldn't matter.
Vote: Lightfoot
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Post by LightFoot on Jan 5, 2013 15:00:57 GMT -5
what's the case on Mhaye? what's the case on crys? so, if my vote doesn't count, this shouldn't matter. Vote: Lightfoot [/color][/quote] Are you claiming LE RK?
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Post by crys on Jan 5, 2013 22:41:07 GMT -5
what's the case on Mhaye? what's the case on crys? so, if my vote doesn't count, this shouldn't matter. Vote: Lightfoot [/color][/quote] Are you claiming LE RK?[/quote] Really lightfoot? I read that more as a bit of a snarky comment myself. It seems like when you have more to hide than normal you start to become super nitpicky. I mean to the point that it comes across as being anal. I also find it very curious that at the end of the day both you and wombat have voted together. It might be just a coincedence, and I would be more likely to believe that if it was only once or twice, but every single day? I just don't like it at all.
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Post by LightFoot on Jan 5, 2013 22:51:39 GMT -5
Really lightfoot? I read that more as a bit of a snarky comment myself. It seems like when you have more to hide than normal you start to become super nitpicky. I mean to the point that it comes across as being anal. I also find it very curious that at the end of the day both you and wombat have voted together. It might be just a coincedence, and I would be more likely to believe that if it was only once or twice, but every single day? I just don't like it at all. What the heck are you reading? We know the CG RK has a vote that won’t register now Charlie says his vote won’t count- well garsh he knows we are not on a team together that can’t vote each other- AND LG and CE can vote each other- so logically- if his vote won’t count he’s the LE RK with atleast one misfire under his belt. ** I don’t know maybe wombat thinks I make sense? Maybe wombat is lazy and decided to just follow someone? Perhaps with the heat I’m getting- if my choice is wrong I can take the heat and Wombat can point the finger at me? Ask wombat
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Post by LightFoot on Jan 5, 2013 22:56:06 GMT -5
If charlie's vote doesn't count we have about an hour before the countdown starts
I think
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