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Post by Mad The Swine on Jun 7, 2007 0:07:25 GMT -5
Gad, I like the cut of your jib...any thoughts on my Hal Briston controversy, or am I barking up the wrong tree again? I see that says Gad and not Mad but...I think it is a very good tree to bark at. unvote auntbeast vote Hal Briston
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Post by zuma on Jun 7, 2007 0:13:59 GMT -5
There's something to be said about AZ and I agreeing on something for once.
unvote: Tirial vote: Hal Briston
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Post by Parzival on Jun 7, 2007 1:24:24 GMT -5
Pressure on Hal Briston to respond, though I don't see the need to vote for him at this point. My review of players hasn't been so fruitful so far. What I did find was a bit of inconsistent behavior, and in the lack of anything else it's good enough for a vote from me before I go to bed. hockeymonkey, in the very post you brought your accusation against me, you said this : (excerpted from whole post, bolding added by me) I took a look at people who had cast single votes and the one that stands out to me as a possible pirate is panamajack. He voted for Lakai. He has been flying under the radar and I hardly knew he was playing. I really didn't pay much attention to his posts until he mentioned me, and that I was probably just crew playing badly. (Granted) This is the kind of thing that storyteller was talking about...getting trust by ingratiating yourself to a crewman. Well I don't trust panamajack! MadTheSwine is a single vote for Auntbeast, capybara is a single vote for MtS. Idle Thoughts and ArizonaTeach both voted for Kyrie Elaison. Auntbeast and tirial both voted for NAF. To be sure at least one pirate has a vote with the top 3 contenders, but I am positive there be a pirate in this group: panamajack (this is my top choice) MadTheSwine capybara (I still have my crew feelings for her)Idle Thoughts ArizonaTeach Auntbeast tirial Just because you are in this group, I'm not saying you are a pirate. Just that you are in a group with what I feel is pirate like behaviour. As someone else pointed out, they will be scattered about and not acting the same way. Why oh why, if you feel that implying someone is crew is such a scum tell, did you continue to do the same in the very post where you mention it as being so bad? vote hockeymonkey until you explain this. Finally, Lakai. Today you seem to have merely picked up on other people's votes and continued to lurk. The same things you called pirate-like behavior when you saw hockeymonkey doing it earlier, so I'm wondering if you're going to change your ways.
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Post by Malacandra on Jun 7, 2007 3:20:01 GMT -5
So with a little less than 12 hours to go the voting stands at:
Hal Briston 4 (ArizonaTeach, Lakai, Mad The Swine, zuma) hockeymonkey 3 (autolycus, FlyingCowOfDoom, panamajack) zuma 2 (Mad The Swine, auntbeast, Lakai, Hal Briston, Idle Thoughts, ArizonaTeach) tirial 1 (zuma, NAF1138) panamajack 1 (hockeymonkey, Blaster Master) auntbeast 1 (hockeymonkey, Mad The Swine)
IMPORTANT:
In the event of a tie there will be two hours only of extra time. Any votes timestamped after 9pm my time will count only as extra-time votes (if at all) and any votes timestamped after 11pm my time will not count at all.
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 7, 2007 8:56:17 GMT -5
Wow, this day is pretty damn dead, isn't it? I just got into work, and I'm surprised there haven't been more posts since last night. I guess I've got enough time before the end of the Day to either complete the storyteller analysis or to determine whether there's anyone I feel comfortable voting for, but not both. I think the latter's more important, so I'll give it priority.
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Post by Blaster Master on Jun 7, 2007 9:01:25 GMT -5
Secondly,the doc and/or Steele should protect zuma assuming he is telling the truth since he is to valuable to lose. Since this is a general sentiment in the thread, I want to point out that this is BAD! I think he's an important target for the Doctor to CONSIDER protecting, but it should by no means be a definite. Because, if he is protected, then the scum know for sure that pretty much whoever else they hit (possibly including the doctor) would be a guaranteed death. Instead, I think it's better to leave the pirates guessing. Is he protected? Probably, but is it worth the high probability of wasting a hit to test that? This way, the doctor could fool the pirates into potentially getting blocked. OTOH, one point to consider is if Steele can also observe the doctor, if he watches himself and the doctor protects him, he'd know who the doctor is... right? However I think it's stretching the rules, so it's probably not the case.
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Post by Blaster Master on Jun 7, 2007 9:05:11 GMT -5
To those voting for Hal, I think it's as good of a lead as any, but I want to remind you that now that the officers are outted (well, except for the doctor), the only additional information that they have that you don't is who the doctor is. Therefore, please don't simply follow their votes because you know they're crew. I don't want to fall into the same kind of trap that we had in M2.
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Post by capybara on Jun 7, 2007 9:50:46 GMT -5
Ok, you know what. This might be an unpopular moves, but I'm not feeling anything particular about the current leaders, so I'll throw another idea into the mix.
It's a week since the fair maiden-wench sailed to the Orient. For continuing to lurk and for, when posting, contributing almost conspicuously unthought-out theories, jumping onto already-full unwelcome-wagons without much commentary, and posting with primarily 'high style, low content' posts, vote Autolycus I defended him earlier on, and I'm not sure he's a pirate, but by this point if he's crew he's helping even less than the others.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 7, 2007 10:05:53 GMT -5
Fuck, why is it that everytime I walk away from this game for an entire night someone role claims?
Well I knew that the zuma train was building too quickly, and I suspect that if we look at who hopped on board immediatly after it started to gain steam we will find at least one scum.
That being said, I think that AZ's catch on Hal's inconsistancy is the best lead we have so far, and makes Hal way more suspicious to my mind than tirial is right now.
unvote tirial vote Hal Briston
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 7, 2007 10:45:06 GMT -5
How long do we have until the day ends, Mal?
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 7, 2007 10:46:18 GMT -5
I think we have a little over 4 hours.
(I know I am not Mal, but hey I am around ;D.)
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 7, 2007 10:46:40 GMT -5
Lakai:I asked this of someone else earlier in the thread, but why do you say this? It makes no sense. Why would AZ and FCOD be in special danger of being targeted? They're just masons, right? It's not like the scum can torture them into revealing the name of the doctor. Something that occurred to me -- with the way this game is set up, role-claiming might not be as terrible/dangerous as it is in under other rulesets. As it stands, we have both the pirates and Dick who can target players at night. However, what if they both figure that the other will take care of a roleclaimer? For instance, AZ comes out and claims -- he's now known to be crew, and therefor is a liability to the scum. But when night falls, both the pirates and Dick might think "Well, let's he's the obvious target, so we'll let (Dick/the Pirates) kill him. No sense in wasting an opportunity to kill by both of us going after AZ". Make sense? And now that I get further down the thread -- Ooooo! My first-every votes, and on a wrong-headed bandwagon, at that! Ok, let's get rid of AZ's misinformation: This seems to be a very, very odd statement because I hadn't mentioned I was Captain on this Day's thread at any point prior to this. Nobody had, for that matter. The word "captain" only comes up in a post about Captain Steele. So...he claims he noticed I said I was the Captain in a non-existant post from toDay, but also claims he didn't know I role claimed yesterday? OR, was the discussion in the Pirate Lair last night and THAT'S where he "heard" I was Captain? No one had mentioned it? Sorry Cappy...you're flat-out wrong. Anyway a few things of what our self-proclaimed Capt S says: Apologies for the misattribution. I won't fault you for this, however...the "info that must've been picked up on the scum's board" is exactly the type of thing I look for as a tell. Truth be told, if it were someone else, I'd have been all over this bandwagon as well. Just hope you can undo the damage before we lynch yet another crew!
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 7, 2007 11:02:12 GMT -5
Hmmm...this opens up a door I never saw before -- I've never had a bandwagon go against me, so I've never been able to pick one apart before the target swings.
A few facts I have to go on -- I know I'm not a pirate. Scum know this as well, and likely voted for me. I'm 99.999~% sure that AZ is crew as well -- his rally cry against me was based simply on searching for "captain" rather than "capt"...a simple mistake, not a scum tell, so he gets a pass here. Of course, we have the classic "third vote for crew is likely scum" theory. Here's looking at you, Mad The Swine.
[real life]Ok, gotta go into a meeting...more when I get back in an hour or so.[/rl]
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Post by Parzival on Jun 7, 2007 11:19:39 GMT -5
Well I guess that's that, Hal (at least as far as I'm concerned for now). I even tried searching for Smollett, too, to see if it was somewhere in there.
I don't see any responses to my post from last night, so, while I'm waiting and have a few minutes to kill :
Gadarene, I'll take a look at storyteller's posts just so the info's all in one thread. I think it might be useful, and it doesn't hurt to have more than one person doing the analysis to make it a little fairer. However, I'd like to point out that IF you're a Pirate, this whole exercise is a little futile and dangerous, since you helped pick the results yourself. The other warning here is that the results are skewed slightly, since the pirates don't know who Dick (or Ben!?) is killing, and we don't know who killed whom.
I like to think of this info as useful for the future, in the event that we or the people mentioned in these posts turn up dead.
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Post by diggitcamara on Jun 7, 2007 11:20:50 GMT -5
And I'll vote hockeymonkey (pretty much for the reasons I voted for her yesterday).
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Post by capybara on Jun 7, 2007 11:21:46 GMT -5
Granted, I had noticed AZ mentioning about being the Captain in toDay's thread, and certainly wondered where that came from, but figured if there was a role-claim I missed, it was just that -- an unverified role-claim, which would have left your statement still very suspicious. This seems to be a very, very odd statement because I hadn't mentioned I was Captain on this Day's thread at any point prior to this. Nobody had, for that matter. The word "captain" only comes up in a post about Captain Steele. So...he claims he noticed I said I was the Captain in a non-existant post from toDay, but also claims he didn't know I role claimed yesterday? OR, was the discussion in the Pirate Lair last night and THAT'S where he "heard" I was Captain? Follow me? vote Hal Briston. Ok, not to appoint myself as the serial defender of the bandwagoned, but to string up Hal for this seems premature-- an FOS, sure, but this isn't lynchin' material yet. CaerieD never did anything that looked scummy to me, personally, and Hal's not pinging my scumodometer, either. I think that while we are admittedly in a hurry to pick someone out to snuff, this isn't a great choice. Let us tread carefully. My two pieces o' eight. Oh, and Hal-- be clear of 'Capy', as I keep getting called, vs 'cappy' short for captain-- that took me off balance for a second ("whuzzuh?! I didd'n say nothin'!")
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Post by Lakai on Jun 7, 2007 11:35:25 GMT -5
Finally, Lakai. Today you seem to have merely picked up on other people's votes and continued to lurk. The same things you called pirate-like behavior when you saw hockeymonkey doing it earlier, so I'm wondering if you're going to change your ways. You seem to be really upset that I don't post as much. Yet in the few posts that i have, I vote for people who I think are pirates and I clearly state my reasons for doing so. What more do you want? Also, my reasons for voting for Hal were different from AZ who I think was the only one to vote before me.
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 7, 2007 11:44:02 GMT -5
panamajack:
That's much appreciated; thanks.
That's a perfectly fair point---and, as I've said, the classification of things as positive, negative, or neutral is an inherently subjective analysis in any event---which is why I've tried to be as transparent as possible in identifying exactly which posts I've classified in which manner. Heck, it might be especially useful for you and me both to do this analysis for storyteller's posts and then to each post ours and compare notes.
Very true. And the pirates could always be using random.org (although now I don't think so, given the high quality of the posters who've been hit), which would render this whole exercise pointless anyway.
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Post by Malacandra on Jun 7, 2007 12:02:33 GMT -5
I think we have a little over 4 hours. (I know I am not Mal, but hey I am around ;D.) It's 18.03 by my time - just under 3 hours left.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 7, 2007 12:13:43 GMT -5
Ok, back...(Quick aside: Sorry about the "Cappy" thing, capybara! I'll be more aware of that in the future.) Anyway -- I'll always go after those who try to call suspicion on non-suspicious behavior...nothing like trying to stir up the pot like that from a scum point of view, is there? Hal also seems to be playing it too safe. He tried to come in the game with a lame vote for Hockey Monkey and quickly unvoted when he was questioned. The way he put out a vote that he could not defend rubs me the wrong way. Ok, so your problem with me was that I: 1. Was subbed into the game and voted too quickly. 2. Realized I voted too quickly, and so rectified it by unvoting. Pretty weak reasoning there, Lakai. I made it perfectly clear when I unvoted hockey monkey that I hadn't been able to thoroughly read the thread before the deadline, and therefor recused myself from voting that day. Voting in the first place was a mistake, unvoting was fixing it. OMGUS voting is a mistake. That is not the case here. We've enough instances by now where a player will ride someone for making a mistake, even after that mistake is reasonably explained. The player doing the riding has turned out to be scum often enough to justify my vote. You're playing under the radar (yes, you've more posts than I do, but you've been here since the beginning), and we all know that's a perfect place for scum to hide out. If all your going to to do when you pop your head out is try and pretend reasonable actions are scum tells, then you might as well just role-claim "pirate". Like I said in the above-linked post , "I don't think it's fair for me to be casting a vote yet...not until I can make a vote for someone that I strongly feel is scum". Thanks for making it so easy. Vote Lakai.Afterthought -- I see I'm still leading the voting. Hopefully that will change, but we've no guarantees. So, just in case I do swing today, keep a good, close eye on Lakai. I've no illusions that we'll see some groundswell against him today, but he's wrongheadedly trying to get crew lynched. If I swing today, you'll know that was the case -- don't let him get away with it again!
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 7, 2007 12:27:33 GMT -5
This appears to be the updated vote count:
5 -- Hal Briston (ArizonaTeach, Lakai, Mad The Swine, zuma, NAF1138) 4 -- hockeymonkey (autolycus, FlyingCowOfDoom, panamajack, diggitcamara) 2 -- zuma (auntbeast, Idle Thoughts) 1 -- panamajack (Blaster Master) 1 -- auntbeast (hockeymonkey) 1 -- Autolycus (capybara) 1 -- Lakai (Hal Briston)
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Post by Parzival on Jun 7, 2007 12:35:04 GMT -5
My apologies to Hal, since you seem to have landed on Lakai just as I've dropped some of my suspicion of him.
Lakai, both your posts today seem pretty weakly reasoned. They seemed a bit rushed to me. The one for zuma seemed to merely back up ArizonaTeach's post (quoted entirely):
Aside from advice, I haven't seen you do much aside from these brief voting posts. I've been on you the past couple days merely for seeming too complacent; it's still something that makes me worry, but I'm not voting for you again.
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Post by Hal Briston on Jun 7, 2007 12:52:44 GMT -5
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Post by Parzival on Jun 7, 2007 13:04:54 GMT -5
Okay ... this is going to sound insane but bear with me.
I did my analysis of storyteller's posts.
I had it all nice and formatted in the text editor, ready to post.
I did not save it.
I posted my response to Lakai, got distracted, and it slipped my mind that the important file I was clicking 'do not save' to was the post I needed to make.
You're probably thinking there's nothing hugely terrible about that.
Here's the insane part:
I am the only person not mentioned by storyteller. I appear to be the only person on all three lists.
Now, I was pretty sure I wasn't going to be mentioned since I hadn't remembered storyteller mentioning me. I thought there might be something to Gad's theory, though, so I wanted to see who else was on it. I fully expected that a few other people would show up. But nobody else, not even in passing, was skipped by storyteller. I'm the only one.
It would make me feel special, if it weren't for the fact that both this post and my earlier suggestion now look contrived as all hell. I don't like a 'pre-emptive defense' at all, but I would look super scummy once Gadarene or someone else does the analysis; either way it's not so good for me, is it? Especially since I can't even provide the evidence.
Now, it's not quite so bad as it seems for me. Several people only appeared in story's posts early in Day 1, and in that case he was merely referring to their roles in previous games. IdleThoughts and DiggitCamara are here, and I think Lakai as well (either way Lakai only had one mention). Pleonast, as well, only got one passing mention ( I think it was 2.215).
The kicker is that this took about 20 minutes to do; I won't have time to do it again before the end of the Day. If there's no high drama near the bell, I might be able to squeeze it in. I really don't want a tie, but the two-hour extension will fit it in.
So I suppose you should do your analysis, Gadarene. Maybe you'll find something I missed ... but I can only say it's fair for everyone to put me under the microscope. I appear to deserve it.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Jun 7, 2007 13:10:26 GMT -5
panamajack, I don't think I can convince you that I am not scum. When I made that list, it was of people who were voting for people other than the top three suspects. capybara was on that list, and I put that note by her name to reiterate what I had previously said, for the sake of clarity. I wasn't voting for you only for your statement about me, but mainly because your style of play fit so closely with storyteller's in M2. If you really feel that I am a pirate, leave your vote where it is. I get the feeling that no one is really paying attention to my posts anyway. I've brought up the fact that cowgirl is missing 3 times. And not one person has commented on what I thought was a major slip by Auntbeast. If anyone out there is listening, I have a few other thoughts to get off my chest. MadTheSwine seems to be voting wherever the prevailing wind is blowing. He hasn't given reasons for his recent votes. Lakai seems to be doing much the same. The bandwagon for Hal Briston seems to have built a little too fast in my estimation. Two of his voters are "confirmed" crew. I'm betting one of the other three is a scum of some form. I'd also bet there is a pirate riding my bandwagon as well. It's getting tiresome constantly defending myself for posts I made on Day One and Two when no one has acknowledged any of the points I have made toDay.
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Post by NAF1138 on Jun 7, 2007 13:21:20 GMT -5
I am reading your posts HM, and am getting fairly worried about cowgirl myself. Actually worried. She seems to have just disappeared.
MAL CAN YOU PROD COWGIRL, SEE WHAT'S UP?
As far as your post about AuntBeast, I have to say I missed that one (or at least don't remember it). Want to repeat it?
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 7, 2007 13:23:01 GMT -5
panamajack:panamajack, I don't mean to make light of your position, but that really was a wonderfully entertaining story. I don't think you're any more or less scummy as a result of it, and (of course) I have no reason to believe you're not telling the truth. But, as you request, I will do my own analysis of storyteller's posts, and we'll see what's what. It's too bad to have lost the time you spent, though. hockeymonkey:Hmmm...what? Did somebody say something? Man, I crack myself up. Anyway, apologies, hockeymonkey. Can you remind me what auntbeast's major slip was? And if it makes you feel better, your mention of cowgirl's absence just now has spurred me to my decision. If you're correct that she hasn't posted all day, and I see that you are, then (assuming nothing has happened to her in real life...has she posted at the SDMB?) I'm half-inclined to vote for her just to try to spur her out of the woodwork. And I'm half-suspicious of her anyway from Day Two, where I said that fluiddruid's mistrust-then-trust of her would be perfect cover for scum trying to off someone who's potentially-but-not-currently hostile to one of their own. Since two halves make a whole, and because I honestly don't have a better read on any of the leading candidates right now... vote cowgirl
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 7, 2007 13:23:44 GMT -5
I really want to see how my title changes when I hit 150 posts. Carry on.
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Post by Malacandra on Jun 7, 2007 13:24:04 GMT -5
I am reading your posts HM, and am getting fairly worried about cowgirl myself. Actually worried. She seems to have just disappeared. MAL CAN YOU PROD COWGIRL, SEE WHAT'S UP?As far as your post about AuntBeast, I have to say I missed that one (or at least don't remember it). Want to repeat it? Prodded yesterday evening - she apologised and promised to check in. Edging her way towards being subbed out.
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Post by Gadarene on Jun 7, 2007 13:24:06 GMT -5
D'oh! ...151?
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