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Day Two
Feb 4, 2013 17:01:18 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Feb 4, 2013 17:01:18 GMT -5
The sun rises, though it cannot be clearly seen. A corpse is quickly discovered. Their face has a look of fierce determination, despite their chest being opened like a book.
Paranoia, The Martyr, a Christian and Manipulator is dead.
Day Two has begun. To prevent the Day from ending the same day as storyteller's Day, it will end on Friday, Feb 8, at 12n PT.
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Day Two
Feb 4, 2013 17:20:58 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 4, 2013 17:20:58 GMT -5
Manipulators on both sides? Eeenteresting.
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Day Two
Feb 4, 2013 17:30:26 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 4, 2013 17:30:26 GMT -5
I would like to start discussion today by pointing out that Lightfoot pointed out the slip by Patricia, but never actually voted for her and pretty much dropped it like a hot potato when the votes started. I find this to be very eeeenteresting as well.
Vote: lightfoot [/b]
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Day Two
Feb 4, 2013 17:35:40 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 4, 2013 17:35:40 GMT -5
Was BillMc's penalty removed?
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Day Two
Feb 4, 2013 17:56:46 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 4, 2013 17:56:46 GMT -5
If you go the the vote count/player thread, the penalty for Bill is gone.
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Day Two
Feb 4, 2013 18:54:28 GMT -5
Post by crys on Feb 4, 2013 18:54:28 GMT -5
I would like to start discussion today by pointing out that Lightfoot pointed out the slip by Patricia, but never actually voted for her and pretty much dropped it like a hot potato when the votes started. I find this to be very eeeenteresting as well. Vote: lightfoot I also find it interesting, but I will wait for a reply from lightfoot before making a decision on voting for her.
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Day Two
Feb 4, 2013 21:55:37 GMT -5
Post by mistervisceral on Feb 4, 2013 21:55:37 GMT -5
Man, crys, votes are like candy. You can't overmeasure their value. Look,
vote: Lightfoot[/color] (Hock-Monk brang up an excellent point) and even vote: crys[/color] (safey safe McSaferton)
Also that night kill just reeks of wine, so I'd rather we not delve into that subject too deeply. 'twould be a waste of time and get us far off track imho.
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Day Two
Feb 4, 2013 22:00:48 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Feb 4, 2013 22:00:48 GMT -5
I would like to start discussion today by pointing out that Lightfoot pointed out the slip by Patricia, but never actually voted for her and pretty much dropped it like a hot potato when the votes started. I find this to be very eeeenteresting as well. Vote: lightfoot If she would have flipped Town you could have made the same post I find YOU suspect for grasping as what seems to be a straw to me Pointing out something that seemed Scummy to me is most surely a point towards my Scummy-ness Fwiw I was the first to post the 2 clues that can help Town’s win con AND no player has disagreed that the 2 do not fit their Town PM I’ll try to get used to this multi-vote thing and share the wealth as it were this Day RE: Patricia-The ball was already rolling down the hill and my vote at that point would have been a “ me too” which I attempt to avoid- so I didn’t do it
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Day Two
Feb 4, 2013 23:32:07 GMT -5
Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 4, 2013 23:32:07 GMT -5
I am here but not feeling well. Lightfoot Mods have been known to hand out sample town pm's to scum, so that is not a for sure townie thing. I always have a hard time reading you and you would think that in as many games as we have played together, I would be somewhat closer, but I am not... I do know from past gsames you do not jump on the "me too" band wagon.
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Day Two
Feb 4, 2013 23:48:22 GMT -5
Post by LightFoot on Feb 4, 2013 23:48:22 GMT -5
I am here but not feeling well. Lightfoot Mods have been known to hand out sample town pm's to scum, so that is not a for sure townie thing. I always have a hard time reading you and you would think that in as many games as we have played together, I would be somewhat closer, but I am not... I do know from past gsames you do not jump on the "me too" band wagon. I agree that Scum could have a sample PM even mentioned it earlier but the gambit is a big one to be the first to post it- then finger a Scum- AND then - not me too them when they were headed for the gallows non? ** hope you feel better
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Post by scáthach on Feb 5, 2013 5:13:02 GMT -5
Paranoia, The Martyr, a Christian and Manipulator is dead. I wonder if a Martyr is a similar type of role to a bodyguard? Also interested in seeing how the continuing to participate after being dead will work out.
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 5, 2013 5:58:41 GMT -5
Also that night kill just reeks of wine, so I'd rather we not delve into that subject too deeply. 'twould be a waste of time and get us far off track imho. This pings me. If discussing Paranoia's death would be a waste of time, why aren't you proposing an alternate topic of discussion? I don't know what WIFOM you think you see. Why don't you want to talk about Paranoia's death?
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Post by mistervisceral on Feb 5, 2013 6:55:36 GMT -5
Also that night kill just reeks of wine, so I'd rather we not delve into that subject too deeply. 'twould be a waste of time and get us far off track imho. This pings me. If discussing Paranoia's death would be a waste of time, why aren't you proposing an alternate topic of discussion? I don't know what WIFOM you think you see. Why don't you want to talk about Paranoia's death? He didn't really seem to be contributing much, and doesn't seem like the kind of person scum would want to kill. That's why I think it's wine. As for me saying we shouldn't talk about it, that's just from past experiences where people spend way too much time arguing about semantics and who died and whatever and very little scum hunting is actually done. Also lightfoot does have a good point. unvote lightfoot
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Post by Chucara on Feb 5, 2013 8:16:08 GMT -5
RE: Patricia-The ball was already rolling down the hill and my vote at that point would have been a “ me too” which I attempt to avoid- so I didn’t do it Why would you avoid a 'me too' vote?
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 5, 2013 8:25:48 GMT -5
This pings me. If discussing Paranoia's death would be a waste of time, why aren't you proposing an alternate topic of discussion? I don't know what WIFOM you think you see. Why don't you want to talk about Paranoia's death? He didn't really seem to be contributing much, and doesn't seem like the kind of person scum would want to kill. That's why I think it's wine. As for me saying we shouldn't talk about it, that's just from past experiences where people spend way too much time arguing about semantics and who died and whatever and very little scum hunting is actually done. Also lightfoot does have a good point. unvote lightfootYou know what the Martyr role is, right? I'd say Paranoia correctly guessed who the scum were going to target last night. No wine needed. I bristle at the idea that we ever shouldn't talk about something, and I'm immediately suspicious of anybody that preemptively tries to steer conversation away from a topic before it's even started to be explored. I give you my patented KidV Hairy Eyeball Of Doom.
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Post by mistervisceral on Feb 5, 2013 9:13:49 GMT -5
Paranoia, The Martyr, a Christian and Manipulator is dead. I wonder if a Martyr is a similar type of role to a bodyguard? This is weird, then. Scathach, how did you come to this conclusion on your own? This makes me think you knew Para was shot.
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Post by BillMc on Feb 5, 2013 9:22:15 GMT -5
He didn't really seem to be contributing much, and doesn't seem like the kind of person scum would want to kill. That's why I think it's wine. As for me saying we shouldn't talk about it, that's just from past experiences where people spend way too much time arguing about semantics and who died and whatever and very little scum hunting is actually done. Also lightfoot does have a good point. unvote lightfootYou know what the Martyr role is, right? I'd say Paranoia correctly guessed who the scum were going to target last night. No wine needed. I bristle at the idea that we ever shouldn't talk about something, and I'm immediately suspicious of anybody that preemptively tries to steer conversation away from a topic before it's even started to be explored. I give you my patented KidV Hairy Eyeball Of Doom. I wonder if a Martyr is a similar type of role to a bodyguard? This is weird, then. Scathach, how did you come to this conclusion on your own? This makes me think you knew Para was shot. I'd agree with both KidV and Scathach - and we could probably assume that "manipulator" is a pretty generic category - someone who is manipulating the action of another. So possibly Paranoia martyr'd himself. But let's cut the speculation --- why don't we just ASK him --- since in this game the dead can still participate. Can you shed any light on your death?
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Post by BillMc on Feb 5, 2013 9:25:58 GMT -5
Vote: Idle
Primarily to avoid the penalty of not voting - but secondarily, I'm somewhat suspicious of him.
He votes for patricia - on reasoning he knows is flawed - and turns out to be right. States he has a sin States that is bad for the devils for those with no sin to go to heaven And lo and behold - someone volunteers to remove his sin - so he's now unlikely to be killed. Fortunate turn of events - or a scum ploy. Kinda reminds me of the Idle/Pizza duet from the batman game.
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Post by ryjae on Feb 5, 2013 9:33:11 GMT -5
I wonder if a Martyr is a similar type of role to a bodyguard? This is weird, then. Scathach, how did you come to this conclusion on your own? This makes me think you knew Para was shot. I am confused by this post, can you elaborate on "was shot"? I think KidVs theory is correct, Para correctly guessed who the Devils would hit and Martyred himself to save that person. I base my support on the same thing you yourself pointed out. ------------------------------------------------- I am not willing to support the LightFoot votes, based on Patricias awful attempt at pretending to be Christian I don't think Devils had as much information as we thought. And LightFoot clearly was one of the first to jump out with confirming PM information that matches mine. That's not to say Patricia just got confused or LightFoot is a devil who got more information, but it does lead me to think we can find more substance in other Day 1 information now. And with that I will go back through Day 1 and see what substance I can find.
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Post by crys on Feb 5, 2013 9:34:19 GMT -5
You know what the Martyr role is, right? I'd say Paranoia correctly guessed who the scum were going to target last night. No wine needed. I bristle at the idea that we ever shouldn't talk about something, and I'm immediately suspicious of anybody that preemptively tries to steer conversation away from a topic before it's even started to be explored. I give you my patented KidV Hairy Eyeball Of Doom. This is weird, then. Scathach, how did you come to this conclusion on your own? This makes me think you knew Para was shot. I'd agree with both KidV and Scathach - and we could probably assume that "manipulator" is a pretty generic category - someone who is manipulating the action of another. So possibly Paranoia martyr'd himself. But let's cut the speculation --- why don't we just ASK him --- since in this game the dead can still participate. Can you shed any light on your death? [/quote] I'm pretty sure it doesn't work like that. Since this is a pleonast game I'm not sure it would be so cut and dry. This is the first pleo game i have played in but i have gotten the impression it is almost Always not that easy. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by scáthach on Feb 5, 2013 9:34:22 GMT -5
I wonder if a Martyr is a similar type of role to a bodyguard? This is weird, then. Scathach, how did you come to this conclusion on your own? This makes me think you knew Para was shot. I was just speculating that "martyr" as a role sounds like it could be like what I've seen as a "bodyguard" role. What do you mean by "shot"?
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Day Two
Feb 5, 2013 10:13:40 GMT -5
Post by scáthach on Feb 5, 2013 10:13:40 GMT -5
States that is bad for the devils for those with no sin to go to heaven And lo and behold - someone volunteers to remove his sin - so he's now unlikely to be killed. But if you think he's a devil then he's hardly likely to be killed anyway surely? Unless you mean lynched, but someone having no sin wouldn't be a deterrent to town lynching them at all.
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Day Two
Feb 5, 2013 10:18:10 GMT -5
Post by KidVermicious on Feb 5, 2013 10:18:10 GMT -5
States that is bad for the devils for those with no sin to go to heaven And lo and behold - someone volunteers to remove his sin - so he's now unlikely to be killed. But if you think he's a devil then he's hardly likely to be killed anyway surely? Unless you mean lynched, but someone having no sin wouldn't be a deterrent to town lynching them at all. Bill is saying that Idle's claim of having his sins removed is good cover for WHY he wasn't killed.
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Day Two
Feb 5, 2013 11:20:19 GMT -5
Post by Sister Coyote on Feb 5, 2013 11:20:19 GMT -5
To avoid a penalty:
vote: no lynch
I have trouble reading lightfoot, but I know that she and I both have a tendency when, for whatever reason, the lynch seems a sure thing to go looking elsewhere.
Weren't there vote shenanigans yesterday? "No legitimate unvote" or some such?
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Day Two
Feb 5, 2013 11:30:29 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 5, 2013 11:30:29 GMT -5
[/color] Primarily to avoid the penalty of not voting - but secondarily, I'm somewhat suspicious of him. He votes for patricia - on reasoning he knows is flawed - and turns out to be right.[/quote] Again, I wish to direct you to my post yesterday where I point out (to wombat) how I was ALREADY suspicious of Patrica before then due to points others had already made by then....which basically show you to be WRONG in your quote here. So..since you're wrong, why vote for me? Like Wombat did yesterDay, you're totally making things up just to give yourself a reason to vote. Vote BillMc Vote Wombat99And I got a PM saying my sin was removed (of which I just had one--not counting the cardinal sin).
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Day Two
Feb 5, 2013 15:04:54 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Feb 5, 2013 15:04:54 GMT -5
Vote: mistervisceral Pre-emptively trying to not discuss why Paranoia died. I can't find a town motivation for this. No one had even mentioned it yet, it's not like we had been discussing for pages and pages with no result. Why try to cut off discussion that wasn't even happening? RE: Patricia-The ball was already rolling down the hill and my vote at that point would have been a “ me too” which I attempt to avoid- so I didn’t do it Why would you avoid a 'me too' vote? And in this case it really would not be a "me too" vote, it would have been I started the suspicions and now I am following through on a vote. Starting suspicions and not following through with a vote is something scum tries to do all the time. If Patricia had flipped town, I would definitely be suspicious of this behavior. But since Lightfoot started the pressure on Patricia that eventually got her so tangled in the web of lies that she was lynched, I don't think Lightfoot is scum.
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Day Two
Feb 5, 2013 16:09:06 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 5, 2013 16:09:06 GMT -5
I'd agree with both KidV and Scathach - and we could probably assume that "manipulator" is a pretty generic category - someone who is manipulating the action of another. So possibly Paranoia martyr'd himself. But let's cut the speculation --- why don't we just ASK him --- since in this game the dead can still participate. Can you shed any light on your death? Didn't the most famous Christrian martyr of all martyr himself to save us from our own sins? Just some idle speculation of my own. If Martyr isn't a "bodyguard"-type role, maybe it's a sin-eating one of some kind. And we don't need to speculate on the other point. Pleonast stated exactly what "manipulator" powers can do in the rules. Next boy / girl: I am not willing to support the LightFoot votes, based on Patricias awful attempt at pretending to be Christian I don't think Devils had as much information as we thought. And LightFoot clearly was one of the first to jump out with confirming PM information that matches mine. That's not to say Patricia just got confused or LightFoot is a devil who got more information, but it does lead me to think we can find more substance in other Day 1 information now. And with that I will go back through Day 1 and see what substance I can find. That's the second time somebody's suggested that the devils don't have as much information as we thought about Cardinal Sins. And both occasions have pinged me. Firstly: we don't know that Patricia was working with other devils, let alone could communicate with them. We don't know even if there's a "scum board" or something similar. (And think about it: would YOU want to share a board with Death? He'd make kind of an awkward dinner companion. And where would he put that scythe? Lots of potential for uncomfortable pokiness there.) Secondly: if the scum WERE communicating, their best chance of getting something out of this mess might be to feign less knowledge of cardinal sins than they have. Thereby potentially implicating Idle Thoughts, who posted outright that a devil can take your soul by revealing a cardinal sin. In short: just because one devil didn't appear to have much knowledge of cardinal sins, doesn't mean I'm ready to accept that the rest don't. Why exactly would anybody have received the warning about cardinal sins that several people including myself have had, if the devils really didn't know anything about them? The only other explanation, to me, is that Idle Thoughts himself is the threat referred to, playing some kind of third-party role; but he's lying to make it look as though the devils are. That makes no sense to me. Apart from anything else, it seems to contradict my wincon, which states to "never" let anybody else know your cardinal sin. What becomes of "never" if Idle dies on night one? And how come the wincon only says I need to stop the devils, and not any other third-party threat? Ok, next person. I would like to start discussion today by pointing out that Lightfoot pointed out the slip by Patricia, but never actually voted for her and pretty much dropped it like a hot potato when the votes started. I find this to be very eeeenteresting as well. Vote: lightfoot Vote: HockeyMonkey. Yes, I know he was the first one to vote Patricia. No, I'm not particularly worried about that fact (especially not after Guiri in "Wonderland" came along and taught me that eliminating people as scum suspects because of their early votes on other scum is a really, really, really bad idea.) If nobody else votes Patricia, scummy HockeyMonkey can remove his vote quietly later on. If a bandwagon forms, he gets credit for starting the votes rolling. Also I still hate Hockeymonkey's vote on Scathach, which looked really weak; and aren't too fond of his vote on Lightfoot either. Somebody please explain to me why a scummy player would point out a not-that-obvious slip from another scummy player before anybody else showed any signs of even noticing it? Now let's really get this party started! Let's have a drum-roll for "The giant list of people who placed late votes on the Patricia wagon but didn't do much to start it early on." Vote: Crys Vote: Suburban Plankton Vote: Chucara Vote: Texcat Vote: Silverjan Vote: Pollux Oil Vote: Holy MoleyNext person: Solaris. By the end of Day One in my first game, the following things had happened to me: - I'd FoS'd two scummy players, and at least four (lost count) innocent ones. - I'd "cleared" a malign third-party player because I didn't think he was working with others. - I'd made a slip, showing that I had out-of-thread communication, and been voted for (I believe) approximately twelve times. - Another mason had vouched for me, causing me to be unvoted (I believe) approximately twelve times. - I'd participated in the lynch of a scummy player. You, on the other hand, have made exactly two game-related posts, including a vote that was formatted incorrectly and thus didn't count. I'm not complaining because you voted for me - heck, everybody does; in the end I think they all just want me to be President, and who can blame them? - but you do seem to have signed up for this game without playing it. I know it's daunting and there's a lot to keep up with. But do SOMETHING here. Ask for help if you're not sure what's what. Regulars will know that I hate lynching newbies early on, especially when all they've really done is break the usual "etiquette" here. The difference is, most of them are actually playing. This is a placeholder vote at best, but without wanting to go back to previous unsuccessful tactics, I want to see SOMETHING to convince me that you should stay in the game. Rather than, say, you being scum who's been convinced by your fellow scum to keep quiet on Day One because newbies get lynched for speaking out so often on this board. So Vote: Solaris. Oh, and one other thing. I see that we are going to have to have... words. *Glares meaningfully at Paranoia...*Paranoia, The Martyr, a Christian and Manipulator is dead. I didn't do that! I wanted her alive... so I could torture her. Slowly. Should it turn out, however, that Paranoia did indeed "martyr" herself, there is a possibility that the devils did not use a night kill (assuming they have one, which seems like one of the safer assumptions to make). If that is the case, I think it would be very foolish indeed to rule out the possibility of a scum recruiter. I know who I think they'd target, assuming the person in question wasn't already scum. Be assured, potential scum recruitment target: I will be watching you. Like an eagle with a freakin' telescope. Every move. That's it for now.
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Day Two
Feb 5, 2013 16:13:54 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Feb 5, 2013 16:13:54 GMT -5
Moley, More of the mass voting including yourself toDay? Ugh.
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Day Two
Feb 5, 2013 16:17:00 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Feb 5, 2013 16:17:00 GMT -5
To avoid a penalty: vote: no lynchI have trouble reading lightfoot, but I know that she and I both have a tendency when, for whatever reason, the lynch seems a sure thing to go looking elsewhere. Weren't there vote shenanigans yesterday? "No legitimate unvote" or some such? Why are you doing this? It seems scummy as hell, but somehow I don't see scum doing this. Is there a reason behind it, or aren't you expecting to vote today?
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Day Two
Feb 5, 2013 16:28:49 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 5, 2013 16:28:49 GMT -5
Hmmm, let's narrow down that list of late Patricia votors here.
Unvote: Crys unvote: Suburban Plankton Unvote: Chucara Unvote: Silverjan Unvote: Pollux Oil Unvote: Holy Moley
But we won't unvote: Texcat.
File this not-unvote (can't exactly write "vote", since I already have) under the category of "Has done absolutely nothing to convince me she's town". Texcat's late vote for Patricia yesterday was pretty emphatic, which one would expect it to be if she already knew that Patricia was scum. Her post just now brings up Visceral's suggestion regarding Paranoia's role (my opinion: don't agree with it but don't see anything particularly scummy in it) and the accusation against Lightfoot for not voting Patricia. I feel that in all three cases she's said just enough to appear town without actually making any waves.
I've played with Texcat before when we were both scum. Last time she struck me as a fairly unimaginative passive scum who would often agree with whatever was the most popular side at the time. She evaded attention early on that way. It feels like she's doing exactly the same thing here. My strong feeling is she's trying to look townish but isn't actually doing anything to help town. Can't justify this by anything except for a lack of "original" substance, but that's enough for me.
FoS: Texcat. I'm already voting her; if I had only one vote, she'd be the target of it right now.
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