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Post by wombat99 on Feb 18, 2013 16:25:30 GMT -5
I think Pollux is being truthful about his power and results, but not his alignment. When non-Devils use their Cardinal Sin powers they generate sins, and it is much more useful to know who has sinned, and when they have sinned, if you are a Devil trying to match sinners with Cardinal Sinners so you can steal their souls.
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Post by guiri on Feb 18, 2013 16:27:30 GMT -5
@ storyteller, Yes, I would like an explanation of why you assume there was a Devil voting for Bill. +1, or are you just taking a random sample of 8 players and using probability? This seems like an unfair test. As you can see, I asked Sister Coyote here whether her power caused her to sin. If she came forward and said she had sinned last Night, I was going to vouch for her and maybe try to steer away the lynch. However, in the following conversation she acted like she hadn't sinned, so I thought I had caught her in a lie and didn't say anything. So I figured out after Sister Coyote was lynched that Christians aren't informed when they sin, which makes my power more useful I guess? Pollux, is it not possible SisterCoyote performed a cardinal sin N1 and sinned that way, rather than by using her power? If sinning is related to using powers in any way, it essentially gives scum a hitlist every Night as to where the important power roles are and who's getting information/doing things each Night. Do you have any evidence that sinning is related to important power roles?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2013 16:29:46 GMT -5
Ah BOLLOCKS. Forgot the "out of game link" rule. Sorry Pleonast.
One penalty to me I guess.
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Post by texcat on Feb 18, 2013 16:32:33 GMT -5
If sinning is related to using powers in any way, it essentially gives scum a hitlist every Night as to where the important power roles are and who's getting information/doing things each Night. Do you have any evidence that sinning is related to important power roles? This does seem to contradict Pollux's later statement about his own Cardinal Sin power being worthless.
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Post by guiri on Feb 18, 2013 16:32:38 GMT -5
NETA, the "This seems like an unfair test." belongs to my comment to PolluxOil about his catching SisterCoyote in a lie. Asking her "Does your power cause you to sin?" to determine whether she had committed a sin during the Night was doomed to failure. What's with that?
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 18, 2013 16:39:35 GMT -5
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 18, 2013 16:39:37 GMT -5
Pollux, is it not possible SisterCoyote performed a cardinal sin N1 and sinned that way, rather than by using her power? It's plausible. In my query of her, I didn't want to directly come out and ask if she knew if she had sinned, because I felt like that would put a big target on my back over the Night. I think I gave her enough opportunity to admit she sinned if she was aware she had sinned the previous Night. Do you have any evidence that sinning is related to important power roles? Based on my own role, I have a primary power and a secondary power. My primary power is what I already stated: I get a list of sinners each morning without any cost to myself. My secondary power is directly related to my Cardinal Sin, and each time I use it I gain a sin, as Wombat just recently pointed out. I assumed from my own role that other people had the same, and as such the list of sinners I had correlated to people using their powers. However, it doesn't make sense for a Christian to have this power if it was only identifying non-Devil power roles, so therefore I assumed the Devils also sin whenever they activate certain powers of theirs. I initially thought that if I waited long enough to reveal my information, I could catch the Devils using the same one of their group over and over for the scumkill, and I'd have enough data points to identify them. Now that I've been outed and the Devils know I get sin information, if they sin they'll likely be more careful and not leave a trail. But I think revealing the information I do have at this point and time is more important than saying nothing and possible going into the noose without giving Christians any info at all. This does seem to contradict Pollux's later statement about his own Cardinal Sin power being worthless. I think my Cardinal Sin power IS worthless. I get a list of sinners without having to sin at all, and analyzing that information correctly will, in my opinion, prove much more useful than anything I can do with my other power. Cost-wise, I don't think it's beneficial for me to use my power at all. On the other hand, people with better Cardinal Sin powers but irrelevant powers that don't cause them to sin might find their Cardinal Sin powers are more useful and therefore use them.
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Post by crys on Feb 18, 2013 16:43:39 GMT -5
We know that Christians sin. I am not convinced that Devils sin. I don't know what a "cs" is? Autocorrect for pm?? Anyway, I sin if I try to use one of my powers and I have done that both nights, thinking that 3 or 4 sins is not any worse than 1 sin. I have not been successful with my power, but I still get the sins. I agree with Wombat that Pollux's power is one that the Devils might have. His reluctance to answer questions about who has not sinned doesn't help. I am going to leave my vote there. Cardinal sin = cs you couldnt glean that? Really? I guess your lucky im mobile cause that would earn you a dubious vote right there Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 18, 2013 16:44:19 GMT -5
To my knowledge I sinned on both Night one and Night two. I'm not sure why you got results otherwise.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2013 16:44:40 GMT -5
Ok, I've made up my mind here.
Vote: Texcat. Vote: KidVermicious.
Three things about Texcat:
- She hasn't claimed yet, although she's in definite peril right now. Practically everybody else on the block has. - That statement to me yesterday regarding just accepting the "simple" explanation for SisterCoyote's actions. - On Patricia - early suspicion, but really late vote. The early suspicion eased my mind yesterday, but she's not really agreeing with Lightfoot's case. Feels like it could be a case of "get in an early nudge in case this goes somewhere".
Pollux - would you be willing to share your role title?
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Post by texcat on Feb 18, 2013 16:48:07 GMT -5
I am not going to claim at this late date. Ryjae will be able to confirm me at dusk, when she is not dead.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 18, 2013 16:50:45 GMT -5
To my knowledge I sinned on both Night one and Night two. I'm not sure why you got results otherwise. If I'm not lynched, I'll check with Pleonast toNight and make sure the list I got was correct and free of clerical error. Pollux - would you be willing to share your role title? I'd rather not, for reasons I'd also rather not disclose, but I will say it's not Christian sounding, much like scathach's, if that helps with your decision.
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 18, 2013 16:52:55 GMT -5
Vote: KidV
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 18, 2013 16:54:23 GMT -5
I don't have a strong opinion on any of the vote leaders and I haven't finished catching up, so I'm going to put in a placeholder vote to avoid a penalty.
Vote: no lynch
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 18, 2013 16:54:42 GMT -5
Unvote Scathach
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 18, 2013 16:55:49 GMT -5
vote no lynch
I have not been able to catch up in the last page so... There is only 5 min to go...
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Post by texcat on Feb 18, 2013 16:55:52 GMT -5
KidV did post that he would be away. I am willing to wait for him to get back.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2013 16:56:23 GMT -5
I am not going to claim at this late date. Ryjae will be able to confirm me at dusk, when she is not dead. I get the "not dead" part, but Ryjae's powers have failed once already. Uuuuuuuuuuuugh this is hard...
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2013 17:00:04 GMT -5
I don't have a strong opinion on any of the vote leaders and I haven't finished catching up, so I'm going to put in a placeholder vote to avoid a penalty. Vote: no lynch [/color][/quote] Five minutes before end of day...? Yuck. I am keeping my vote where it is. I think a no lynch would be a bad idea in a game with recruitment rather than scumkills (which seems indicated).
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Post by guiri on Feb 18, 2013 17:00:26 GMT -5
Based on my own role, I have a primary power and a secondary power. My primary power is what I already stated: I get a list of sinners each morning without any cost to myself. My secondary power is directly related to my Cardinal Sin, and each time I use it I gain a sin, as Wombat just recently pointed out. I assumed from my own role that other people had the same, and as such the list of sinners I had correlated to people using their powers. My PM clearly separates my power(s) from my cardinal sin so I would not have considered my cardinal sin as a secondary power. Unvote texcatLets see what happens with RyJae.
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 18, 2013 17:00:47 GMT -5
Vote: colby11[//vote]
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 18, 2013 17:02:37 GMT -5
I think all three of us who just posted were a minute too late. I must have clicked "post" dead on eleven o' clock.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 18, 2013 17:03:08 GMT -5
The Day is over. Votes at 2pm or later cannot be counted. Give me a bit to sort things out.
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Post by texcat on Feb 18, 2013 17:05:04 GMT -5
It looks to me like we've ended in a tie, if Guiri's unvote does not count.
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Post by KidVermicious on Feb 18, 2013 17:14:44 GMT -5
I don't have a strong opinion on any of the vote leaders and I haven't finished catching up, so I'm going to put in a placeholder vote to avoid a penalty. Vote: no lynch [/color][/quote] Five minutes before end of day...? Yuck. I am keeping my vote where it is. I think a no lynch would be a bad idea in a game with recruitment rather than scumkills (which seems indicated).[/quote] I got back to town last Night, sue me.
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