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Post by texcat on Feb 14, 2013 0:08:49 GMT -5
Patricia was not a mechanic. She was a manipulator. I think those are 2 different things. patricia, The Horseman of Death, a Devil with Manipulator powers is banished from Earth. Paranoia, The Martyr, a Christian and Manipulator is dead. Sister Coyote, The Inquisitor, a Christian with Killer/Investigator powers has unexpectedly left this mortal coil. lauriern, The Duelist, a Christian Killer/Investigator is dead. Additionally, we have Idle's claim: Damn, totally forgot I signed up. Oh well, here now. Got my PM. Um, can this game be any more complicated? I didn't understand half the stuff in my PM. Not sure I'm going to reveal much in this game, because part of my PM reads that if the devils find out what my cardinal sin is, they can take my soul or something like that. I'm a Christian, though...and apparently a Mechanic (I assume that's a subgroup).
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 14, 2013 0:11:30 GMT -5
...And that was why I said "don't expect requests". I'm not saying I can't ever ask that question, but I can't be sure when it will be if I do. In short, don't rely on me being able to give you definite information like that. My role doesn't work that way. I don't think I'm saying too much to say that it's tied to in-game activity - but I can't, for obvious reasons, say what the nature of that activity is. For the record, I wasn't requesting information in that way. My statement was more in the vein of "if Moley ever gets information on manipulators, we can revisit the likelihood of ryjae's ability being screwed with." I wasn't saying that should be next on your agenda or anything like that.
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 14, 2013 1:25:26 GMT -5
I can’t see a Mechanic role as a good thing-and to have a player openly claim to be one makes me want to ask questions
Idle your thoughts? ( pun intended )
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Post by ryjae on Feb 14, 2013 7:07:47 GMT -5
I can’t see a Mechanic role as a good thing-and to have a player openly claim to be one makes me want to ask questions Idle your thoughts? ( pun intended ) I have.. Role Type: Mechanic as well..... Lightfoot your thoughts?
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Post by mistervisceral on Feb 14, 2013 7:31:15 GMT -5
pleo, would we be notified if a kill was unsuccessful during the night?[/color]
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Post by Chucara on Feb 14, 2013 8:52:01 GMT -5
pleo, would we be notified if a kill was unsuccessful during the night? [/color][/quote] What do you mean unsuccesful? Are you thinking that our now departed duelist was not the result of a night kill?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 14, 2013 11:43:20 GMT -5
Occam's Razor. Take these two scenarios: 1) Bill knew that Idle's statement about sinless Christians was wrong, because he himself is a sinless Christian. 2) Bill knew that Idle's statement about sinless Christians was wrong, because he is a devil with exact knowledge of another sinless Christian in the game (a Christian who has remained completely silent during this entire game, including during two separate occasions when Bill came under fire for his claims being called into question). Thanks for posting this and putting it this way. It convincing and makes me less sure of my suspicious of Bill. Unvote BillMc[/color] However my feeling still stands...the fast and sudden votes on SisC (not that we know she's Christian), really seems like people trying to get one of the top two vote holders at the time (Bill and Wombat) saved from the noose. This makes me think one of them has a very high chance of being scum. I'd also think some scum would be found on the SisC train, maybe mid to late voting. I can’t see a Mechanic role as a good thing-and to have a player openly claim to be one makes me want to ask questions Idle your thoughts? ( pun intended ) Apparently it can be since I'm Town/Christian (not to mention I see Ryjae is in that class too, and I believe him to be what he says he is).
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Post by mistervisceral on Feb 14, 2013 12:32:54 GMT -5
pleo, would we be notified if a kill was unsuccessful during the night? [/color][/quote] What do you mean unsuccesful? Are you thinking that our now departed duelist was not the result of a night kill?[/quote] Night protecting is usually a thing. Actually, if idle is telling the truth then it's certainly a thing. I mean if the kill was protected against.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Feb 14, 2013 12:36:19 GMT -5
My head is spinning from Moley's post. I don't know what to think about the SisC and Laurie claim and information. Maybe the Innocent information was that of which alignment she was on and had nothing to do with sins, I could be completely wrong... I almost feel like I am starting from square one in this game and it is Day 3, not good. I am not sure you can get anything from SisC voters, there is always a possibility of scum on a bandwagon and then there are town that mis-lynch. How do you know who is who unless you are scum... Feeling a little bit better but still have this damn cold, I have antibiotics now so I should be better in a couple of days!
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 14, 2013 12:42:32 GMT -5
I got a PM at dawn saying that Lauriern challenged me to a duel last Night and she lost. I don't have a killing role so she must have inadvertently killed herself.
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 14, 2013 12:48:00 GMT -5
I can’t see a Mechanic role as a good thing-and to have a player openly claim to be one makes me want to ask questions Idle your thoughts? ( pun intended ) I have.. Role Type: Mechanic as well..... Lightfoot your thoughts? I am not a mechanic ( which it appears puts me in the minority ) so I was asking for some input on the possible implications of the role- and the pun was just for my personal snicker
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 14, 2013 12:55:42 GMT -5
I got a PM at dawn saying that Lauriern challenged me to a duel last Night and she lost. I don't have a killing role so she must have inadvertently killed herself. As a duelist that may have been her method of investigation That could mean that Scum did not make a kill Why? But wait we have seen where some roles die if they interact with a player that is not of their ilk Care to elaborate?
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 14, 2013 13:03:06 GMT -5
I got a PM at dawn saying that Lauriern challenged me to a duel last Night and she lost. I don't have a killing role so she must have inadvertently killed herself. As a duelist that may have been her method of investigation That could mean that Scum did not make a kill Why? But wait we have seen where some roles die if they interact with a player that is not of their ilk Care to elaborate? I was protected last Night so that could be it. I also have sins cos I helped lynch SisC so that could be it, I don't know. All I can say is that I'm not too happy about it and it makes me look bad. If I was scum I would have kept my mouth shut.
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 14, 2013 13:05:03 GMT -5
I got a PM at dawn saying that Lauriern challenged me to a duel last Night and she lost. I don't have a killing role so she must have inadvertently killed herself. As a duelist that may have been her method of investigation That could mean that Scum did not make a kill Why? But wait we have seen where some roles die if they interact with a player that is not of their ilk Care to elaborate? Maybe as a killer, if she chose a town player, she dies instead?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 14, 2013 13:55:58 GMT -5
Patricia was not a mechanic. She was a manipulator. I think those are 2 different things. patricia, The Horseman of Death, a Devil with Manipulator powers is banished from Earth. Paranoia, The Martyr, a Christian and Manipulator is dead. Sister Coyote, The Inquisitor, a Christian with Killer/Investigator powers has unexpectedly left this mortal coil. lauriern, The Duelist, a Christian Killer/Investigator is dead. Additionally, we have Idle's claim: Texcat - my point here is that death reveals are not necessarily complete. If Patricia had a secret "mechanic" power, it may not have been revealed in her death notice. That said, Pleonast was a bit more explicit about this point in his response to my question, although not conclusively so - see below. I was protected last Night so that could be it. I also have sins cos I helped lynch SisC so that could be it, I don't know. All I can say is that I'm not too happy about it and it makes me look bad. If I was scum I would have kept my mouth shut. Point appreciated. I personally don't regard you as a top suspect on the basis of this. Are you certain that you were protected? Idle: first of all, Texcat started that wagon, and a lot of people jumped on it very quickly. I'm ambivalent about Texcat, but if she or anybody else on that lynch wagon was scum, I'm inclined to think they were more concerned about protecting DizzyMrsLizzy than the two leads. I cannot see either BillMC or Wombat in the role of a devil, unless their alignment was changed last night. And on that note, my suspicions haven't changed since yesterday, so Vote: DizzyMrsLizzy. Finally, Pleonast did get back to me regarding my two previous investigations, but I've asked for clarification on whether a "scumkill" counts as a "power", assuming one exists. ( Silverjan's statement, if true, as well as Paranoia's role name, would suggest that one maybe does not.) "The best I can say is that I count up all the living players that have the given power type. The power type is the same as what's been reported about dead players, with the caveat that all powers can be affected by other players' powers and/or game states." Which is not hugely conclusive.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 14, 2013 14:02:53 GMT -5
Also I'm an investigator, not a mechanic. Although that must be pretty obvious by now.
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 14, 2013 14:28:32 GMT -5
~~snipped~~ Texcat - my point here is that death reveals are not necessarily complete. If Patricia had a secret "mechanic" power, it may not have been revealed in her death notice. That said, Pleonast was a bit more explicit about this point in his response to my question, although not conclusively so - see below. since there are players that can get full reveals after death that leads me to believe that reveals can be shorthanded That said I don't think we should be too busy thinking that every reveal is missing information
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Post by BillMc on Feb 14, 2013 14:48:49 GMT -5
Given that Idle had revealed the downside of accepting the cleansing, I certainly wasn't going to announce I had accepted.
Ryjae - to repeat my question from yesterday
What happens if you offer to cleans the sins of a 3rd party?
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Post by BillMc on Feb 14, 2013 14:50:19 GMT -5
I am very confused about the whole SisC vs Laurien situation. I'm also surprised that Laurien was the scumkill last night. I would have thought she was a good lynch target for today, at least in my mind she was. So RyJae we officially have a day roleblocker. That really sucks. And in my mind you are scum. Ryjae, Idle and I made it clear that the cleansing was at Night - so that is not a mistaken slip - you're trying to confuse and smudge Vote: DizzyMrsLizzy
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Post by BillMc on Feb 14, 2013 14:56:55 GMT -5
I don't know, I assumed that the block happened "toDay" instead of last Night, since the offer was received last Night and was resolved upon Dawn. I guess I mixed that up, and the action actually happened N2 not D3. Again, we made it clear the offer was received during the day
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 14, 2013 15:00:27 GMT -5
I still am of the opinion that SisC was confused about her role. In her mind, she thought "innocent" and "sinless" were the same thing, and I am not sure that they are. I agree. "Innocent" and "Guilty" may be unrelated to the presence or absence of sins. Maybe they have to do with Cardinal Sins - if the player has one, or has committed one, they would be Guilty; or if they don't have one, or have one but have chosen not to commit it, they are Innocent. But, that seems like something the Devils would need to know more than Christians, so since SisC was Christian, it doesn't make sense for her to need to be able to deduce that, really.
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 14, 2013 15:02:15 GMT -5
FWIW - I'm starting to think that nothing on this level of the game is going to be logical or concrete; Heaven, Hell, Purgatory, who knows. Everything is faith, conjecture, and supposition until we get to the Great Beyond. Much like real life.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 14, 2013 15:15:33 GMT -5
I don't know, I assumed that the block happened "toDay" instead of last Night, since the offer was received last Night and was resolved upon Dawn. I guess I mixed that up, and the action actually happened N2 not D3. Again, we made it clear the offer was received during the day Okay, and I mixed it up when trying to figure out what the heck went on. Remember this is only my 4th game, of which my 2nd and 3rd game I was killed within the first 2 Days/Nights. You might want to give me a little slack on knowing game mechanics. I thought I was on to something that there was a Dayblocker. I made a mistake and withdrew it as soon as I realized I had made a mistake. Simple as that. Furthermore, if as you say I am scum, and had information that the scum blocked her, don't you think I would have known whether she was blocked at Day or night??? It was a mistake....beginning and end of it.
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 14, 2013 15:20:31 GMT -5
I am very confused about the whole SisC vs Laurien situation. I'm also surprised that Laurien was the scumkill last night. I would have thought she was a good lynch target for today, at least in my mind she was. So RyJae we officially have a day roleblocker. That really sucks. And in my mind you are scum. Ryjae, Idle and I made it clear that the cleansing was at Night - so that is not a mistaken slip - you're trying to confuse and smudge Vote: DizzyMrsLizzy [/color][/quote] I don't see Dizzy's confusion as scummy; it is confusing to me as well. The sequence of events was clearly laid out as far as what happens when, but apparently the offer to cleanse is a stand-alone Day action, and the resulting cleansing is a separate blockable Night action. I think that's what we're saying, anyway.
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Post by texcat on Feb 14, 2013 15:52:30 GMT -5
SilverJan's claim that she might have something to do with Laurie's death, plus the fact that we've only had 1 death/night, plus the fact that the deaths were not typically those that scum would have killed makes me think that there might be something to Moley's theories.
Town's goal may be to kill the Devils, but Devils goal may not be to kill us, but to send us all to hell? I am certainly against the last killer claiming. I still think that we need to kill all the Devils, and we don't want to lose a resource for doing that. I don't know how the Devils achieve their wincon, but it seems to me that identifying Town's valuable resources can only help them.
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Post by ryjae on Feb 14, 2013 16:30:41 GMT -5
Given that Idle had revealed the downside of accepting the cleansing, I certainly wasn't going to announce I had accepted. Ryjae - to repeat my question from yesterday What happens if you offer to cleans the sins of a 3rd party? It said nothing of third party, not a hint not an opening.
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Post by guiri on Feb 14, 2013 16:51:46 GMT -5
I got a PM at dawn saying that Lauriern challenged me to a duel last Night and she lost. I don't have a killing role so she must have inadvertently killed herself. Were you told that she lost the duel, nothing more? Did you have to do anything? I was protected last Night so that could be it. Is this conjecture or fact? SilverJan's claim that she might have something to do with Laurie's death, plus the fact that we've only had 1 death/night, plus the fact that the deaths were not typically those that scum would have killed makes me think that there might be something to Moley's theories. It sure looks that way but the game could go on for some time... It said nothing of third party, not a hint not an opening. Ryjae, did you know that Idle and Bill were going to be informed that there was a penalty for accepting your offer? Does your power let you confirm a player as a christian or a non-devil?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 14, 2013 17:32:13 GMT -5
Grrr....Originally posted in the Day 2 thread by mistake (see, there are advantages to a single-threaded game!) Oh well, I suppose I have to answer this eventually. I can investigate someone at Night that I have voted for during the Day. I get results of who visits them and who they visit. I did something silly yesterday too so don't expect an investigation from me toNight. You were voting for me for not saying anything about investigating anyone or what I meant by my comment to Guiri, so I did say something and no I can't do anything toNight. I got a PM at dawn saying that Lauriern challenged me to a duel last Night and she lost. I don't have a killing role so she must have inadvertently killed herself. I was protected last Night so that could be it. I also have sins cos I helped lynch SisC so that could be it, I don't know. All I can say is that I'm not too happy about it and it makes me look bad. If I was scum I would have kept my mouth shut. Did we ever get an explanation for all of this? Jan has an investigative power, but she did something on Day 2 (or possible on February 10th, depending on whether she meant 'Day' or 'day') that pervented her from acting last Night...then apparently lauriern attacked her but wound up dead? Is that about it? Jan, did you report a result from a Night 1 investigation?
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 14, 2013 19:02:51 GMT -5
I got a PM at dawn saying that Lauriern challenged me to a duel last Night and she lost. I don't have a killing role so she must have inadvertently killed herself. Whoa...huh? Wow, I did not see this coming and have no idea what to make of it. Duels? How do you know you were protected?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 14, 2013 19:17:09 GMT -5
My next question to Pleonast, in The Continual Saga of Moley's Investigation Results, was this:
"Ok then. Let's put it this way. IF a scumkill exists, would that count as a 'power'?"
Pleo's answer:
"No comment".
So it appears that I can't say for definite that scum don't have a common scumkill that doesn't count as a "power". I do, however, think it extremely unlikely that they'd target Laurie with it, given that she was an obvious next-day lynch candidate and, if Sis C was telling the truth, a non-sinner. None of which rules out the possibility of role-redirectors, etc.
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