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Post by wombat99 on Feb 15, 2013 12:10:28 GMT -5
I might as well partially reveal my PM as well. There is another non-Christian team like the Pagans, called the Heretics.
It is a similar situation to what's been revealed about the Pagans. I have no idea why we are separate from the Christians; I have no idea if there are other Heretics; we have no off-board communication, and my Heretic wincon matches the Christian one.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 15, 2013 12:29:20 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts on why there are different subgroups:
It may be easier for Devils to claim certain souls over others. Christian souls may be easier (or harder) to claim vs. a Pagan or a Heretic. Maybe Pagan souls can't be claimed, and only Christian souls can, or vice versa, or whatever.
Since my PM doesn't say anything about Pagans or Heretics, only Devils, I'm going to assume our win conditions are mutual. Either that, or whoever is the most successful at stopping the Devils out of the three groups ends up winning. We may all have the same win condition, but it may be something like a race to the finish line: whoever stops the Devils first, or most completely, is the group who is victorious.
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Post by BillMc on Feb 15, 2013 12:33:34 GMT -5
So Ryjae, given that we now apparently have Christians, Devils, Heretics and Pagans - how are you absolutely sure you get a 100% christian or devil response? obviously there are non-Christian, non-Devil players
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 15, 2013 12:47:18 GMT -5
Since we don’t know if the Devils can use our different factions against us- I suggest that everyone else keep theirs quiet for now Unless there is another out there
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 15, 2013 12:50:21 GMT -5
Okay....
How does recruitment work in this game.....
Are the Christians trying to recruit Pagans.....Seems like a rational Real World thought... Are Devils trying to recruit the Pagans?
Can the Heretics cause the Christian's demise, like they did IRL? I'm very wary of a Heretic designation, because that just isn't a good guy. They typically deceive, undermine religious beliefs/morality, etc...
I'm not that familiar with the Manichee religion at all to comment on that.
So we have at least 4 groups:
Christians Heretics Pagans Devils
Is there also Pharisee group???
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 15, 2013 12:54:57 GMT -5
Here's my thoughts on why there are different subgroups: It may be easier for Devils to claim certain souls over others. Christian souls may be easier (or harder) to claim vs. a Pagan or a Heretic. Maybe Pagan souls can't be claimed, and only Christian souls can, or vice versa, or whatever. Yeah this is what I wanted to respond to.... I like/agree with this thought, that maybe the different designations do have different roles in winning, in getting to wherever we go when we "die". And then it goes the other way: Maybe Devils can easily convert/take their souls/kill/etc certain roles. Maybe Christians can proselytise certian groups over others.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 15, 2013 13:43:37 GMT -5
Well f--k me sideways and call me Daddy. This is an interesting little group of developments.
Since this has happpened though, I might as well state right away that my position hasn't changed from day one: I have zero interest in lynching claimed third-parties unless I suspect that their claims are a cover for their devilishness. My wincon states that I specifically have to beat the devils, not any other faction.
My best guess is we're (the Christians / pagans / heretics, assuming all three exist) are not competing with each other, and the differences will start to surface after death. I don't see a pagan or heretic making it to "Christian Heaven", for example. Since the pagans and heretics have cardinal sins too, I don't see my theory regarding the devils having to "recruit" souls taking much of a knock.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 15, 2013 14:04:07 GMT -5
That's not what Idle claimed, he said if he accepted the offer he couldn't be killed or investigated. I think one of you (you, Colby, Jan) is mixing the offers I received. First Day I got the offer of sin cleaning. I was told I could not use my power that Night if I accepted. I accepted and had my sins cleaned. Next Day (during the Day again) I got the offer of someone wanting to slake their lust with me. That's the word that was used to..slake. I giggled. But anyway, it was told that if I accepted, I could not be killed or investigated that Night. It said nothing about not being able to use my powers (if I accepted)...but that's moot because I turned that offer down. And damn...four groups now. My mind is starting to hurt.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 15, 2013 14:06:14 GMT -5
That's not what Idle claimed, he said if he accepted the offer he couldn't be killed or investigated. I think one of you (you, Colby, Jan) is mixing the offers I received. First Day I got the offer of sin cleaning. I was told I could not use my power that Night if I accepted. I accepted and had my sins cleaned. Next Day (during the Day again) I got the offer of someone wanting to slake their lust with me. That's the word that was used to..slake. I giggled. But anyway, it was told that if I accepted, I could not be killed or investigated that Night. It said nothing about not being able to use my powers (if I accepted)...but that's moot because I turned that offer down. I say all this because it sounds like Jan only got the "Sin-cleansing" PM...which would mean she should not use her powers tonight. It doesn't have anything to do with being protected or investigated (unless I missed the post where she said she got the lusty PM too).
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 15, 2013 14:09:03 GMT -5
Okay, I worked out the confusion and who is wrong.. Colby... SilverJan- you pretty much spelt out that if you take the protection, you can't use your powers, like the cleaning power This is incorrect. It didn't say I couldn't use my powers with the protection one.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 15, 2013 14:10:48 GMT -5
Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Things just got more intersting didn't they?
I'm going to place votes now for people I don't have a "non-Devil" read on (ie: people who I think may be scum), and for people I have zero read on because they have posted diddly.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 15, 2013 14:15:41 GMT -5
That's not what Idle claimed, he said if he accepted the offer he couldn't be killed or investigated. I think one of you (you, Colby, Jan) is mixing the offers I received. First Day I got the offer of sin cleaning. I was told I could not use my power that Night if I accepted. I accepted and had my sins cleaned. Next Day (during the Day again) I got the offer of someone wanting to slake their lust with me. That's the word that was used to..slake. I giggled. But anyway, it was told that if I accepted, I could not be killed or investigated that Night. It said nothing about not being able to use my powers (if I accepted)...but that's moot because I turned that offer down. And damn...four groups now. My mind is starting to hurt. So you got offers to remove your sins on day one, and then to have a night of lustfulness on day two? Wrong way around, my friend. Wrong way around. And how come nobody wants to be all "lustful" with me? It's always so... Hockey - Solaris was replaced by Mahaloth. Gnarly by Colby.
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 15, 2013 14:40:44 GMT -5
Hockey - Solaris was replaced by Mahaloth. Gnarly by Colby. Actually, I think I replaced gnarly.
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Post by texcat on Feb 15, 2013 14:42:20 GMT -5
Interesting developments. I can imagine that powers might act differently on the groups. For example, a Christian might not be able to absolve a Pagan's sins.
Ryjae I know that you die if you try to cleanse a Devil, but can you re-examine your PM and see if it says Christian or just non-Devil. Is it possible that Idle is Pagan based on your PM?
Hockey You said that you were 100% sure that mrV was Christian. Is that still true? Or instead of Christian, perhaps that is non-Devil?
mrV Are you equally sure of Hockey's alignment?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 15, 2013 14:49:54 GMT -5
Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Things just got more intersting didn't they? I'm going to place votes now for people I don't have a "non-Devil" read on (ie: people who I think may be scum), and for people I have zero read on because they have posted diddly. Suburban Plankton gnarly charlie storyteller texcat solaris chucara scathach Just Being GingerSo just how many points do you rack up every time you vote for someone? Are they like Indulgences or something for you? Or do just really, really, really, really like 'spreading the love'?
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 15, 2013 14:58:07 GMT -5
I think one of you (you, Colby, Jan) is mixing the offers I received. First Day I got the offer of sin cleaning. I was told I could not use my power that Night if I accepted. I accepted and had my sins cleaned. Next Day (during the Day again) I got the offer of someone wanting to slake their lust with me. That's the word that was used to..slake. I giggled. But anyway, it was told that if I accepted, I could not be killed or investigated that Night. It said nothing about not being able to use my powers (if I accepted)...but that's moot because I turned that offer down. And damn...four groups now. My mind is starting to hurt. So you got offers to remove your sins on day one, and then to have a night of lustfulness on day two? Wrong way around, my friend. Wrong way around. And how come nobody wants to be all "lustful" with me? It's always so... Hockey - Solaris was replaced by Mahaloth. Gnarly by Colby. That explains why I didn't have a read on them. (Sorry, I hadn't updated my player list in my notes to reflect the change.) Unvote: solaris gnarlycharlie[/b] I don't have much of a read on either mahaloth or colby either, but then, they haven't been in the game as long. I'll wait on them to hear more. I really don't know what to think about all the revelations, but there is a little niggle in the back of my mind that wombat may not be telling the whole truth in his reveal. He could have easily replaced the win-con part of his PM with the known Christian one. Here's a snippet from wiki on Heresy - It carries the connotation of behaviors or beliefs likely to undermine accepted morality and cause tangible evils, damnation, or other punishment. In some religions, it also implies that the heretic is in alliance with the religion's symbol of evil, such as Satan or chaos.I don't see that jiving with a non-aggressive faction that won't steal our win. Pagans on the other hand are more passive with a mostly live and let live philosophy. I don't think lynching wombat will be a bad thing. Vote: wombat[/b]
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 15, 2013 15:00:29 GMT -5
Ryjae I know that you die if you try to cleanse a Devil, but can you re-examine your PM and see if it says Christian or just non-Devil. Is it possible that Idle is Pagan based on your PM? I'm not, though. So if a difference DOES show up if he offers to clean a Pagan's sins, it wouldn't have showed up with mine, so how would he be able to tell you? : p
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 15, 2013 15:00:46 GMT -5
Interesting developments. I can imagine that powers might act differently on the groups. For example, a Christian might not be able to absolve a Pagan's sins. Ryjae I know that you die if you try to cleanse a Devil, but can you re-examine your PM and see if it says Christian or just non-Devil. Is it possible that Idle is Pagan based on your PM? Hockey You said that you were 100% sure that mrV was Christian. Is that still true? Or instead of Christian, perhaps that is non-Devil? mrV Are you equally sure of Hockey's alignment? I am still 100% certain his alignment is Christian.
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 15, 2013 15:03:12 GMT -5
My wincon is exactly as posted. Voting for me is simply going to force another Heretic to come forward to corroborate it, as Lightfoot did for Crys. I think Lightfoot also makes a good point that we don't know how the Devils can use alignment information against us, so revealing it may not be a good thing.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 15, 2013 15:05:36 GMT -5
Jesus, Mary and Joseph! Things just got more intersting didn't they? I'm going to place votes now for people I don't have a "non-Devil" read on (ie: people who I think may be scum), and for people I have zero read on because they have posted diddly. Suburban Plankton gnarly charlie storyteller texcat solaris chucara scathach Just Being GingerSo just how many points do you rack up every time you vote for someone? Are they like Indulgences or something for you? Or do just really, really, really, really like 'spreading the love'? Um, no. But, why do you ask? Are you trying to guess my Cardinal Sin? Why didn't you ask Holy Moley the same thing when he voted for basically every single person on the player list on Day One? Too bad I can't vote for you again, because that sure does sound like a Devilish thing to ask.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 15, 2013 15:06:57 GMT -5
NETA: Why not have him offer to clean Lightfoot's sins (someone who is an admitted Pagan) and see if there's a difference. I mean, why use me as an example, texcat? We have admitted Paganists around now and they seem too (so far) have the same wincon as Christians...so why have it be "Is it possible Idle is a pagan?" There something you don't believe about me saying I'm Christian? That's just a very odd question. Seems like an unnecessary small smudge on me.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 15, 2013 15:07:16 GMT -5
So you got offers to remove your sins on day one, and then to have a night of lustfulness on day two? Wrong way around, my friend. Wrong way around. And how come nobody wants to be all "lustful" with me? It's always so... Hockey - Solaris was replaced by Mahaloth. Gnarly by Colby. That explains why I didn't have a read on them. (Sorry, I hadn't updated my player list in my notes to reflect the change.) Unvote: solaris gnarlycharlie I don't have much of a read on either mahaloth or colby either, but then, they haven't been in the game as long. I'll wait on them to hear more. I really don't know what to think about all the revelations, but there is a little niggle in the back of my mind that wombat may not be telling the whole truth in his reveal. He could have easily replaced the win-con part of his PM with the known Christian one. Here's a snippet from wiki on Heresy - It carries the connotation of behaviors or beliefs likely to undermine accepted morality and cause tangible evils, damnation, or other punishment. In some religions, it also implies that the heretic is in alliance with the religion's symbol of evil, such as Satan or chaos.I don't see that jiving with a non-aggressive faction that won't steal our win. Pagans on the other hand are more passive with a mostly live and let live philosophy. I don't think lynching wombat will be a bad thing. Vote: wombat[/b][/quote] damnit Vote: wombat [/b]
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 15, 2013 15:10:16 GMT -5
NETA (again): I see you did the same with Hockey and MrV, Texcat...these really strike me as you trying to subtle smudge other players and cast doubt on results. If you're so curious, then why don't you just ask Ryjae to try cleaning the sins of one of the non-devil-non-Christians instead of seeming to subtly cast doubt?
I very rarely use FOS in games, but if there is any time to use it: FOS texcat.
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Post by Pleonast on Feb 15, 2013 15:16:38 GMT -5
To clarify the formatting for voting: vote Pleonast unvote Pleonast You need to have the word "vote" (or "unvote") and the player's name* and colored blue (or red). Bolding it and putting it on a separate line increases the chance I'll see it.
If you see an error in the vote count, let me know before the end of the Day, or it won't affect the result.
Also, gnarlycharlie votes are moved automatically to Mahaloth and Solaris to colby11.
*You may "unvote all" to clear all your votes.
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Post by guiri on Feb 15, 2013 15:18:13 GMT -5
lVote: Idle Guiri Pollox Suburban since I might live it's part of a mechanic that might help Did you learn anything from this exercise? Whoa. Apparently I'm a heretic for trying to figure out how to play the game. Who were you signalling to? Do you need to find others like you? Increasing sins may be beneficial. As in, it may be beneficial to lynch a Christian who is known to be sinless. With your partial claim, this takes on a new light. What do heretics get for lynching Christians?
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 15, 2013 15:21:04 GMT -5
lVote: Idle Guiri Pollox Suburban since I might live it's part of a mechanic that might help Did you learn anything from this exercise? not this time- will try again toDay
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 15, 2013 15:22:42 GMT -5
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 15, 2013 15:32:11 GMT -5
It’s plausible that wombat -- discovering that they were a different faction-- was signaling to any other heretic that they existed?
I know I wondered if there were other Pagans
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 15, 2013 15:37:44 GMT -5
Who were you signalling to? Do you need to find others like you? Freakin interesting....and damn good catch GuiriI'm on the wombat train. Between a Heretic not ever in history being a GOOD thing as I and Hockey posted, and this... Vote: Wombat
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 15, 2013 15:39:22 GMT -5
NETA (again): I see you did the same with Hockey and MrV, Texcat...these really strike me as you trying to subtle smudge other players and cast doubt on results. If you're so curious, then why don't you just ask Ryjae to try cleaning the sins of one of the non-devil-non-Christians instead of seeming to subtly cast doubt? I very rarely use FOS in games, but if there is any time to use it: FOS texcat. I also REALLY agree with Idle here. You have smudged every played I'm confident is a Christian, and it's really unsettling. Vote: Texcat
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