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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 15, 2013 19:42:41 GMT -5
Um, no. But, why do you ask? Are you trying to guess my Cardinal Sin? Why didn't you ask Holy Moley the same thing when he voted for basically every single person on the player list on Day One? Too bad I can't vote for you again, because that sure does sound like a Devilish thing to ask. Actually, I owe you an apology...I thought you were Holy Moley when I posted that, and that you (he) were continuing your (his) pattern of voting for damn near every player, every Day. It was meant in a somewhat tongue-in-cheek manner, though it did cross my mind that Holy Moley might get some sort of advantage from voting early and often. In my defense, you both have two word names, with initials H and M, and an exclamation point at the end! Plus, I wound up working 16 hours yesterday, got 4 hours of sleep, and was back at my desk at 7 this morning, so my brain activity at the moment is entirely dependent on caffeine... Thanks for the apology.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 15, 2013 19:54:10 GMT -5
My other votes were improperly formatted and did not count, so here goes again:
Vote: Suburban Plankton Vote: storyteller Vote: texcat Vote: chucara Vote: scathach Vote: Just Being Ginger
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 15, 2013 19:59:49 GMT -5
Before Dizzy Mrs Lizzy gets a bunch more votes, that line of reasoning is going to be unproductive. I can confirm that Dizzy is 100% Christian.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 15, 2013 20:34:01 GMT -5
Before Dizzy Mrs Lizzy gets a bunch more votes, that line of reasoning is going to be unproductive. I can confirm that Dizzy is 100% Christian. ...Woooooooooow. I had no trouble believing MisterVisceral. This one, I have a lot more problems with. If it wasn't for the extreme likelihood of third-parties in this game, I'd be tempted to vote for the both of you together, just in case your clearing Visceral was to have the possibility of clearing other scum further down the line. At this point I'm having great trouble buying Lizzy as either a Christian or, given her recent posts, a third-party. You say she's a Christian. That means you're ruling out the possibility that she's a devil or any other alignment. Correct?
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 15, 2013 20:47:28 GMT -5
How many have claimed heretic other than wombat? Just curious, I glanced through quick and will go over later but is he the only one? Wombat had a lynch goin' on his neck yesterDay and didn't claim, that worries me as does his excuse, this same information yesterDay would have been useful look how quickly its been hashed toDay. Oh well I am still confused as we all are but I think it is clear we must kill Devils as per the PM. Out of game...but wombat is a she, just so you know. ----- About all this faction talk... look, it's very simple: If we all had the same goals and won the same ways, then we'd all be in the same group. We aren't... ....so OBVIOUSLY other groups will have different goals and possibly/probably different winning conditions too. Since I'm a Christian, this makes me (obviously) eager to find Devils first...but willing to consider Pagans and Herectics expendable and mowing them down too, if it comes down to it. I mean so far all that most people have seemed to get is that CHRISTIAN = GOOD and DEVILS = BAD.... This makes me think/feel that the other factions are probably 3rd party ones..and if mafia has taught me anything, it's that 3rd parties usually have the option of stealing wins for themselves and may have reason to lie just as much as the scum side does. So consider me taking anything that a Heretic and Pagan saying with a grain of salt, at least until it can be fairly proved* that they mean well and are not trying to fullfill some sneaky goal/wincon that entails something like "Lynch/Kill Christians"** As I said, though, willing to work together and make devil's the priority... but excuse me if I don't put full faith*** in groups that are other than my own. *as much as anything can be proved in this game **example ***faith, get it? In a game filled with Christians and Devils and sin and all that? A ha ha
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 15, 2013 20:50:14 GMT -5
Not to mention, now that the Devils know there are other groups in this game (if they didn't already), makes it easy to just say "Uh, yeah, I'm a Pagan/Heretic". I'm guessing the devils are going to be hiding behind those faction names now.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 15, 2013 20:51:33 GMT -5
Oh and I'm good with a texcat lynch too.
Vote Texcat[/color]
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 15, 2013 21:04:35 GMT -5
Who were you signalling to? Do you need to find others like you? Freakin interesting....and damn good catch GuiriI'm on the wombat train. Between a Heretic not ever in history being a GOOD thing as I and Hockey posted, and this... Vote: WombatHeretics before Devils? Vote Dizzy
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Post by Mahaloth on Feb 15, 2013 21:08:46 GMT -5
Are we likely going to have to wait all weekend to get a vote count?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 15, 2013 21:11:01 GMT -5
Oh, and Guiri didn't vote. Unvote: Guiri.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 15, 2013 21:14:14 GMT -5
Freakin interesting....and damn good catch GuiriI'm on the wombat train. Between a Heretic not ever in history being a GOOD thing as I and Hockey posted, and this... Vote: WombatHeretics before Devils? Vote DizzyYeah, you may want to check HockeyMonkey's post before you lock this one in. And no, I don't understand what a Christian Dizzy is doing here either. At the very least I haven't unvoted her yet.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 15, 2013 21:20:31 GMT -5
Not to mention, now that the Devils know there are other groups in this game (if they didn't already), makes it easy to just say "Uh, yeah, I'm a Pagan/Heretic". I'm guessing the devils are going to be hiding behind those faction names now. I agree, and I think we've been lucky in that respect. There's very little chance in my mind that either Wombat or Lightfoot is a devil. I thought that before either of them claimed. Crys I wasn't sure about. So to my confused brain, Lightfoot confirming Crys is a very good thing. Crys confirming Lightfoot wouldn't help confirm Crys one way or the other; but the way it's panned out, I have no problems believing Crys' claim with Lightfoot backing it.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 15, 2013 21:26:51 GMT -5
And no, I don't understand what a Christian Dizzy is doing here either. At the very least I haven't unvoted her yet. I've explained myself multiple times.... Lynching Devils does not equal a win. Stopping Devils from winning is how we win. I'm questioning, and thinking that even if we got every Devil, quickly and easily, I don't think we win that easily. That and I don't believe Wombat's claim is truthful. Holy, no matter what happens, or what I say, I have a feeling you won't believe me until I flip Christian upon death.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 15, 2013 21:27:35 GMT -5
As I said, though, willing to work together and make devil's the priority... but excuse me if I don't put full faith*** in groups that are other than my own. Yeah, see, that doesn't do it for me. I got no problems questioning the third parties. I'm probably going to be doing some serious examination of them myself. What I DO have problems with is cluttering up the board with idle speculation (sorry) about other factions. Instead of, say, killing devils. What I guess I'm saying is: if there are definite reasons for suspecting a third party isn't actually a third party, or if they are (in their true capacity as a third party) working against your team, then call them out for it. Otherwise, they've all so far said that their main goal, like ours, is to beat the devils. Hold them to that. Let 'em prove it in their actions.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 15, 2013 21:31:17 GMT -5
Holy, Heretics are not Good guys IRL. That's my whole point....
If you were playing in IDK, a Batman game and you came across a character named The Riddler....Yeah he's not the Joker, but he's still a bad guy!
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Post by texcat on Feb 15, 2013 21:43:44 GMT -5
Before Dizzy Mrs Lizzy gets a bunch more votes, that line of reasoning is going to be unproductive. I can confirm that Dizzy is 100% Christian. Thanks for not waiting until the last minute this time. I do find it strange that you confirm 2 of the most devilish characters in the game.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 15, 2013 21:51:32 GMT -5
And no, I don't understand what a Christian Dizzy is doing here either. At the very least I haven't unvoted her yet. I've explained myself multiple times.... Lynching Devils does not equal a win. Stopping Devils from winning is how we win. I'm questioning, and thinking that even if we got every Devil, quickly and easily, I don't think we win that easily. That and I don't believe Wombat's claim is truthful. Holy, no matter what happens, or what I say, I have a feeling you won't believe me until I flip Christian upon death. If you're cleared by a cop or a fellow mason, that's different, but I do not understand your play in the context of being a Christian. Wombat soft-claimed heretic yesterday, as Guiri pointed out. The fact that she specifically claimed to confirm the Pagans' win condition, despite not being a Pagan herself, lends a lot of veracity to her claim in my eyes. My win condition specifically says that I have to beat the devils. - It says that killing devils is always good. - It's the one and only bit of positive action that it tells me is always good. - It mentions nothing about any other faction, hostile or otherwise, that I need to beat. It's absolutely clear on that point. "You have to beat the devils". Not any other factions, not win-stealing third-parties. Just the devils. Ergo, there are no win-stealing factions out there. None. That's not speculation, it's right there in my win-condition. My guess - and from what information we have, it's little short of a certainty - is that the Christians and any other factions win separately, but aren't competing with each other, at least while alive. As I've said, I'm not a mechanic or a killer. My only way of killing the devils is via the lynch. There is, to my certain knowledge, only one killing power left in the game, and I have no idea whether it's in the hands of the devils, the Christians, or some other faction. Given that I have to beat the devils, and the only way I know of to do this for sure is to kill them - why on earth would I, as a Christian, EVER use a lynch on a third-party faction member?
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 15, 2013 22:00:32 GMT -5
Before Dizzy Mrs Lizzy gets a bunch more votes, that line of reasoning is going to be unproductive. I can confirm that Dizzy is 100% Christian. ...Woooooooooow. I had no trouble believing MisterVisceral. This one, I have a lot more problems with. If it wasn't for the extreme likelihood of third-parties in this game, I'd be tempted to vote for the both of you together, just in case your clearing Visceral was to have the possibility of clearing other scum further down the line. At this point I'm having great trouble buying Lizzy as either a Christian or, given her recent posts, a third-party. You say she's a Christian. That means you're ruling out the possibility that she's a devil or any other alignment. Correct? Correct.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 15, 2013 22:02:43 GMT -5
Holy, Heretics are not Good guys IRL. That's my whole point.... If you were playing in IDK, a Batman game and you came across a character named The Riddler....Yeah he's not the Joker, but he's still a bad guy! Weren't the Heretics the ones who tried to stop the witch-hunts? And if you honestly believe that the Christians are the good guys, you have been reading very, very different history books to me. I suggest we not even go down that road! For the purposes of this game, my point is that my role PM is absolutely specific about who I have to beat - and heretics (and pagans) are not on the list.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 15, 2013 22:21:13 GMT -5
Before Dizzy Mrs Lizzy gets a bunch more votes, that line of reasoning is going to be unproductive. I can confirm that Dizzy is 100% Christian. Thanks for not waiting until the last minute this time. I do find it strange that you confirm 2 of the most devilish characters in the game. I can't give you any explanation regarding their game-play. I can only assure you they they are both 100% Christian, and since we should be lynching Devils, they will be poor choices for the noose.
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Post by crys on Feb 15, 2013 22:47:00 GMT -5
Again, we made it clear the offer was received during the day Okay, and I mixed it up when trying to figure out what the heck went on. Remember this is only my 4th game, of which my 2nd and 3rd game I was killed within the first 2 Days/Nights. You might want to give me a little slack on knowing game mechanics. I thought I was on to something that there was a Dayblocker. I made a mistake and withdrew it as soon as I realized I had made a mistake. Simple as that. Furthermore, if as you say I am scum, and had information that the scum blocked her, don't you think I would have known whether she was blocked at Day or night??? It was a mistake....beginning and end of it. I'm not sure if I buy this or not. Dizzy you have never been one to use your inexperience as an excuse. I find this hard to believe. You seemed to get a grasp on the game much faster than I in general. This vote is not set in stone and mainly a placeholder vote unless I keep seeing things that are pinging me throughout the thread. I am actually making an attempt to catch up at this point. Vote Dizzymrslizzy
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Post by crys on Feb 15, 2013 22:48:36 GMT -5
Before Dizzy Mrs Lizzy gets a bunch more votes, that line of reasoning is going to be unproductive. I can confirm that Dizzy is 100% Christian. Maybe I should read the whole thread before placing a vote lol unvote dizzymrslizzyok new placeholder vote. Vote No Lynch
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Post by crys on Feb 15, 2013 23:02:16 GMT -5
That's not what Idle claimed, he said if he accepted the offer he couldn't be killed or investigated. I think one of you (you, Colby, Jan) is mixing the offers I received. First Day I got the offer of sin cleaning. I was told I could not use my power that Night if I accepted. I accepted and had my sins cleaned. Next Day (during the Day again) I got the offer of someone wanting to slake their lust with me. That's the word that was used to..slake. I giggled. But anyway, it was told that if I accepted, I could not be killed or investigated that Night. It said nothing about not being able to use my powers (if I accepted)...but that's moot because I turned that offer down. And damn...four groups now. My mind is starting to hurt. I got the same slaking their lust with me pm today so I can verify the existence of such a pm lol.
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Post by Pollux Oil on Feb 15, 2013 23:37:02 GMT -5
Before Dizzy Mrs Lizzy gets a bunch more votes, that line of reasoning is going to be unproductive. I can confirm that Dizzy is 100% Christian. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but honestly you're going to have to give us more information than that, and soon. In regular games, your confirmation would be followed by something like "they're a Mason with me" or "I'm a detective and that's my result." The fact that you're saying "they're Christian, 100%, just trust me" really leaves a lot of room for the wiggle of doubt. I can understand and appreciate the idea that you're giving the minimal amount of information to keep the Devils guessing. However, at some point you're going to have to give us more because without it, we're really just taking you at your word. Plus, since you can see that the death reveals don't give us that much information, if you happen to bite it before you tell us anything, we may not get the full benefit of your knowledge depending on what your role is. The fact is, to me there's already a lot of confirming going on and it seems really strange to me. Ryjae says he can confirm Christians 100% and now you have a method of doing that as well, and between the two of you, you've already 100% cleared three people? To me, something doesn't quite add up there with my limited view of the picture.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 16, 2013 0:02:05 GMT -5
- It mentions nothing about any other faction, hostile or otherwise, that I need to beat. It's absolutely clear on that point. "You have to beat the devils". Not any other factions, not win-stealing third-parties. Just the devils. Ergo, there are no win-stealing factions out there. None. That's not speculation, it's right there in my win-condition. Oh, COME ON...surely you can't be this dense/obtuse. I mean, so far, up until now..I've pretty much agreed with everything you've posted. But this quoted part here is just the biggest form of naivety that I've ever seen. Seriously? I think that your assumption would be a very dangerous thing to assume. I mean, there are third parties in games all the time that can steal the win from Town that Town are not told about. Mad Bombers, Serial Killers, Jesters...probably a ton of personalized ones. To assume that just because the PM says we have to beat the Devils doesn't mean there aren't other malicious factions out there...and yes, even faction that have THEIR OWN winning conditions that makes Town lose. You seem to see this as "We beat the Devils, we win" deal...but what if another faction MEETS THEIR WINCON (whatever they may be) BEFORE we can do that? I'll tell you... A WIN-STEAL FROM TOWN.Now obviously I don't know if one of the factions has one and I'm not going to go gung ho on my suspicions of them all...but to assume everyone is a non-threat is just foolish, I think. Come on, man, this is mafia..and this is a PLEONAST game, what's more. There's going to be more than one win con here.
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Post by LightFoot on Feb 16, 2013 0:03:45 GMT -5
Thanks for not waiting until the last minute this time. I do find it strange that you confirm 2 of the most devilish characters in the game. I can't give you any explanation regarding their game-play. I can only assure you they they are both 100% Christian, and since we should be lynching Devils, they will be poor choices for the noose. Do your results give you Devil/non Devil ? or do you/ can you / get specific faction results?- I mean what are the odds you chose to investigate 2 players that WERE christian? - help us out here- if your results were specific- with out a clue of an option of other factions share that please
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 16, 2013 0:06:35 GMT -5
Before Dizzy Mrs Lizzy gets a bunch more votes, that line of reasoning is going to be unproductive. I can confirm that Dizzy is 100% Christian. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but honestly you're going to have to give us more information than that, and soon. In regular games, your confirmation would be followed by something like "they're a Mason with me" or "I'm a detective and that's my result." The fact that you're saying "they're Christian, 100%, just trust me" really leaves a lot of room for the wiggle of doubt. I can understand and appreciate the idea that you're giving the minimal amount of information to keep the Devils guessing. However, at some point you're going to have to give us more because without it, we're really just taking you at your word. Plus, since you can see that the death reveals don't give us that much information, if you happen to bite it before you tell us anything, we may not get the full benefit of your knowledge depending on what your role is. The fact is, to me there's already a lot of confirming going on and it seems really strange to me. Ryjae says he can confirm Christians 100% and now you have a method of doing that as well, and between the two of you, you've already 100% cleared three people? To me, something doesn't quite add up there with my limited view of the picture. I do understand where you are coming from, but I feel I should keep the exact mechanism of how I know this information close to the vest for now. We all have very limited views of the picture, and I want to keep the Devils as limited as possible.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 16, 2013 0:08:05 GMT -5
]unvote wombat99
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 16, 2013 0:08:38 GMT -5
I can't even get the tags right on my own message board...
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 16, 2013 0:18:33 GMT -5
I can't give you any explanation regarding their game-play. I can only assure you they they are both 100% Christian, and since we should be lynching Devils, they will be poor choices for the noose. Do your results give you Devil/non Devil ? or do you/ can you / get specific faction results?- I mean what are the odds you chose to investigate 2 players that WERE christian? - help us out here- if your results were specific- with out a clue of an option of other factions share that please I was told they were Christian in a PM from Pleonast. No other option, no other faction. To address the second part - there are several people who have expressed the opinion that Mr V and DML are the two scummiest players in the game. An investigator might want to check, no? I have no idea what the odds are. Flipping a coin can yield the same result several times in a row.
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