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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 19, 2013 21:56:51 GMT -5
Oh ballsacks. Glad to be wrong, actually, but it leaves me in something of a conundrum. Oh well, there's still KidV (and the way this game has gone, he's probably going to claim combo doc-cop-vig in a moment. That or HockeyMonkey is going to come out saying he's a confirmed Christian.)
Unvote: Texcat.
Ryjae - let me make absolutely clear about this. Did you definitely use a "Mechanic" power last night? Because if so, there was no recruitment. Only two people used "Mechanic" powers last night, and Ginger has already claimed.
So who's left who's neither been "cleared" nor claimed? I got:
- Mahaloth - Colby - Kid Vermicious - BillMC - Guiri - Plankton
So in total, we've got (green = players I'm comfortable with, yellow = players I have questions about, orange = players I'm suspicious of or lack knowledge of, blue = confirmed non-devils, red = dead devils):
01. Hockey Monkey! - confirms MisterVisceral and DizzyMrsLizzy are both Christian. 02. silverjan - claims to have killed Lauriern in a duel that she won, and to have been protected at that time. Claims Christian watcher / tracker. 03. guiri - no claim. 04. wombat99 - claimed Heretic.** 05. Paranoia - The Martyr, Christian, Manipulator. 06. JustBeingGinger - claimed Christian intercessionist, SilverJan confirmed that she visited Guiri as she claimed, however Guiri did not confirm that his sins were removed. 07. mistervisceral - Christian, confirmed by HockeyMonkey 08. Mahaloth - no claim. 09. scathach - Claimed gravedigger, not confirmed. 10. storyteller0910 - Claimed Christian, no other claim. 11. Chucara - non-devil**, confirmed by Moley. 12. crys - claimed Pagan messenger, semi-confirmed by Lightfoot.** 13. Suburban Plankton - No claim 14. KidVermicious - No claim 15. Pollux Oil - Christian Gossip 16. colby11 - no claim 17. Texcat - No claim. Christian, confirmed by Ryjae. 18. Lightfoot - Pagan Investigator. 19. Idle Thoughts - Christian, confirmed by Ryjae.** 20. patricia - The Horseman of Death, Devil, Manipulator - Lynched Day One 21. HolyMoley - Christian investigator.*** 22. lauriern - The Duelist, Christian, Killer/Investigator - Killed Night Two 23. BillMc - claimed sinless Christian, semi-confirmed by statement to Idle on Day One 24. dizzymrslizzy - Christian, confirmed by HockeyMonkey. 25. Sister Coyote - The Inquisitor, Christian, Killer/Investigator - Lynched Day Two 26. ryjae - claimed Christian confessor, role confirmed by Idle and Texcat. Alignment unconfirmed.
**Could possibly have been recruited by devils since day one, if recruitment happens at night.
***Well at least I know what I am!
My notes:
SilverJan - role seems semi-confirmed, alignment does not. Would a devil have admitted to the duel with Laurie so quickly? Ryjae - similar to SilverJan, however his role seems more unlikely for a devil to have. Chucara - didn't start the game as a devil, but hasn't claimed. Wombat - Still think she's unlikely to be a devil, however her alignment is not confirmed by anybody else (even its existence). Reconsidering this one. BillMC - I'm increasingly nervous about the possibility that BillMC was recruited before Day Two and want to know more about his role in this game. No longer on my "likely not a devil" list. Scathach - claimed a role that's difficult to prove, however seems unlikely to be invented. Doesn't mean it's not faked. "Gravedigger" title makes me nervous - again, this is one of the colloquial names for Satan / Lucifer. HockeyMonkey / Dizzy / Visceral - how are these people linked? Masons? Hockey's own statement of having checked the most likely suspects would seem to indicate that's not the case, yet he's sure that they weren't and still aren't devils. Something doesn't add up.
- Recruitment mechanics - what happens and how often? - Nobody's come forward to say they were approached. Could devils have tried to recruit Guiri on Night One and been blocked (assuming Guiri himself isn't a devil)? - Night kills - who's doing them? Devils? If so, why kill a martyr, nobody, and a pagan? Vig? But if so, why kill a pagan? Heretic? Again, why kill a Pagan - Wombat's claim and its timing make no sense if Pagans and Heretics are knowingly competing.
Other idle speculation... - SilverJan and Ginger effectively "alibi" each other. Ginger claimed to visit Guiri, and SilverJan claimed to have watched him. She also claimed to know who Guiri visited. SilverJan's role, again, seems confirmed, regardless of alignment.
Anybody make any more sense of this than I have, I'd love to hear from them. Claims from the unclaimed would be good as well. There's a depressing lack of red in that list.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 19, 2013 21:58:48 GMT -5
01. Hockey Monkey! Claims misterV and dizzy are 100% Christian 02. silverjan Tracked/Watched Guiri N1, Ginger visited Guiri and Guiri visited ?. Could not use power N2. Slaked lust N1. 03. guiri Tracked by silverjan N1. 04. wombat99 The Manichee, Heretic, [redacted] 06. JustBeingGinger The Intercessor, Christian, Mechanic/Investigator. Prayed for Guiri N1. Prayed for SisC N2. 07. mistervisceral Claimed Christian by Hockey 08. gnarlycharlie Mahaloth 09. scathach The Gravedigger, Christian, Investigator/Manipulator 10. storyteller0910 11. Chucara Claimed non-Devil by Moley. 12. crys The Medium, Pagan, Mechanic. Tried to channel SisC N2, unsuccessful. Offer to slake lust on D3. 13. Suburban Plankton14. KidVermicious16. Solaris colby1117. texcat Cleansed of sins by Ryjae N3. 19. Idle Thoughts Christian, mechanic. Sins cleansed N1 by Ryjae. Declined offer to slake lust N2. 21. HolyMoley! Claims Chacura is non-Devil. 23. BillMc Started with no sins. Accepted Ryjae's offer to cleanse sins N2. 24. dizzymrslizzy Claimed Christian by Hockey. 26. ryjae The Confessor. Cleansed Idle N1. Attempt to cleanse Bill N2. Cleansed Texcat N3. 20. patricia - The Horseman of Death, Devil, Manipulator - Lynched Day One 05. Paranoia - The Martyr, Christian, Manipulator - Killed Night One 22. lauriern - The Duelist, Christian, Killer/Investigator - Killed Night Two 25. Sister Coyote - The Inquisitor, Christian, Killer/Investigator - Lynched Day Two 15. Pollux Oil The Gossip, a Christian Investigator - Lynched Day Three 18. Lightfoot the Prophetess, a Pagan Investigator -- killed N3 Oh for fark's sake... couldn't you have let me know you were going to do that??!!! Took me an hour and a half to make that post above...
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Feb 19, 2013 22:02:55 GMT -5
I missed my night action as well. All the other nights have been longer and I was in class all day and never thought about the game till now. Goddammit Holy Moley, there is a fucking reason I haven't shared that information! You are like a mutherfuckin dog with a mutherfuckin bone. Fat lot of good I've been able to do. So here it is: 01. The Nun, Christian, Investigator/Mechanic/Manipulator - Hockey Monkey!Role Name:The Nun Alignment: Christian Victory Conditions: 1. You must stop the Devils from winning. You don't exactly know what that entails, but here are some hints: a. Lynching or killing Devils will always help your team. b. Removing your sins will always help your team, but increasing them may or may not be beneficial. c. Never reveal to another player nor allow another player to figure out your Cardinal Sin. Role Type: Investigator/Mechanic/Manipulator Powers: 1. You know that dizzymrslizzyis the Friar and mistervisceralis the Monk. Both are Christian and cannot be recruited. 2. You may communicate secretly at the Priory. 3. Each Night, you may protect from being killed by a Devil a living player who is not yourself or the Friar or Monk. 4. You cannot be recruited. That is a direct copy and paste with the spacing left exactly as it appeared in my PM for Mr V and Dizzy's names. My Cardinal Sin Power: You may learn the identity of all players who targeted you and what type of power they used (Killer, Investigator, Manipulator, Mechanic). If you choose to do so, you will sin. This power cannot be blocked or redirected, but some powers may not be detected. So I wanted the Devils to think I was a regular type of investigator so I might be targeted so I might learn something. I have not gained any additional information, and don't expect to now. So to recap - We are masons, Dizzy and Mr V are 100% Christian and will remain so throughout the game and so will I. Now shut the fuck up about it.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 19, 2013 22:12:15 GMT -5
Okay so here's the thought that I was thinking about earlier that I was trying to test out.....
I accepted protection from a kill last night. I got the offer D3/accepted D3...I don't know if that's the missing mechanic you are looking for Holy.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 19, 2013 22:16:08 GMT -5
Woah....Hockey....um.....I didn't see Holy's post as any real reason to claim just yet....
So yeah that's why we decided we didn't want to fully claim, because aside from being masons, there was an extra protection power.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 19, 2013 22:17:01 GMT -5
Oh and I breadcrumbed it the other day telling Pollux to not over think what the connection between Hockey/Mr.V and I was.
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Post by texcat on Feb 19, 2013 22:34:14 GMT -5
I've asked a few questions that I'd still like answers to.
storyteller I'd still like the explanation about why there has to be a Devil voting for BillMc
I'm still concerned about the slaking that's going on. Silverjan, is there anything you can share about your night of lust? crys, how about you?
dizzy, did your protection come with any slaking? This is the first time we've heard someone rec'd an offer of protection, isn't it? And BTW, I thought it was obvious for the beginning that you were masons of some kind.
Silverjan, any results last Night? Can you share who Guiri visited on N1? Did he visit you?
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Post by texcat on Feb 19, 2013 22:38:10 GMT -5
Sorry, I always think of something to add, just after I punch the post reply button.
Moley, I am Christian, and I think Idle is also, but I think Ryjae's power only confirms non-Devil.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 19, 2013 22:47:17 GMT -5
No I got the slaking of lust offer.
I accepted it, because well I was on the chopping block yesterday, and I was concerned I might be a target over night if there was a vig power out there.
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Post by texcat on Feb 19, 2013 22:52:45 GMT -5
I thought crys got the offer yesterDay? I do not like this one bit. I think one of you (you, Colby, Jan) is mixing the offers I received. First Day I got the offer of sin cleaning. I was told I could not use my power that Night if I accepted. I accepted and had my sins cleaned. Next Day (during the Day again) I got the offer of someone wanting to slake their lust with me. That's the word that was used to..slake. I giggled. But anyway, it was told that if I accepted, I could not be killed or investigated that Night. It said nothing about not being able to use my powers (if I accepted)...but that's moot because I turned that offer down. And damn...four groups now. My mind is starting to hurt. I got the same slaking their lust with me pm today so I can verify the existence of such a pm lol.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Feb 19, 2013 22:54:34 GMT -5
Thank you again, Ryjae! @ Ginger If you prayed for a dead player, perhaps it would be best just to tell us whether they went to heaven or not. We really don't need to know the name, and the Devil's might make some use of it. Wombat, I was just trying to look it up and update my claim list. I'll probably mix them up again before this game is over. All right.. Unvote Texcat
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Post by Colby11 on Feb 19, 2013 23:03:34 GMT -5
Holy Moley, please don't use yellow again....
My eyes still hurt
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Feb 20, 2013 0:18:47 GMT -5
I thought crys got the offer yesterDay? I do not like this one bit. I got the same slaking their lust with me pm today so I can verify the existence of such a pm lol. I got mine on 2/17, I wonder if there is more than one Lusty person.
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Post by Silver Jan on Feb 20, 2013 1:09:11 GMT -5
I haven't got my results yet but I should have some, I have PM'd Pleo. BTW Guiri visited Solaris on N1.
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Post by ryjae on Feb 20, 2013 1:12:21 GMT -5
Holy Moley, I assume that means it is a mechanic? I am also sure there is no leeway based on my PM for a Devil* to get cleansed with me alive at the end.
* Not sure on heretics or pagans though!
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Post by scáthach on Feb 20, 2013 5:17:39 GMT -5
I'm a little confused on the difference between ryjae's claimed role and JustBeingGinger's claimed role.
JustBeingGinger can cleanse half of someones sins, (no need to accept?) and the player thus cleansed doesn't know it. ryjae can cleanse all of someones sins, the player must accept, both ryjae and the player cleansed get a PM and if she tries to clean a devil it'll kill her.
Yes?
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 20, 2013 7:59:10 GMT -5
Holy Moley, I assume that means it is a mechanic? I am also sure there is no leeway based on my PM for a Devil* to get cleansed with me alive at the end. * Not sure on heretics or pagans though! That would be the mechanic power, yes, but it specifically is a Day power, not a night one. Doesn't count. Crys' offer may count, even though it was unsuccessful. HockeyMonkey - we've now had two mislynches and a mis-kill in a game where three people have now confirmed the possibility of recruitment. If we don't get a devil or a recruit today, I don't know what the heck happens; and plainly, a narrow lynch will not suffice. Too many Christians have gone down. I think that right now it's more important to know where people stand.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Feb 20, 2013 8:00:07 GMT -5
Holy Moley, please don't use yellow again.... My eyes still hurt Eh? The board background is black?
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Post by crys on Feb 20, 2013 8:12:59 GMT -5
I've asked a few questions that I'd still like answers to. storyteller I'd still like the explanation about why there has to be a Devil voting for BillMc I'm still concerned about the slaking that's going on. Silverjan, is there anything you can share about your night of lust? crys, how about you? dizzy, did your protection come with any slaking? This is the first time we've heard someone rec'd an offer of protection, isn't it? And BTW, I thought it was obvious for the beginning that you were masons of some kind. Silverjan, any results last Night? Can you share who Guiri visited on N1? Did he visit you? I denied the night of lust so i have nothing to share. Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by crys on Feb 20, 2013 8:16:42 GMT -5
I thought crys got the offer yesterDay? I do not like this one bit. I got mine on 2/17, I wonder if there is more than one Lusty person. I wouldnt over think it because i got and declined my offer 2/15. I would just keep track from now on Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by texcat on Feb 20, 2013 9:59:18 GMT -5
I'm a little confused on the difference between ryjae's claimed role and JustBeingGinger's claimed role. JustBeingGinger can cleanse half of someones sins, (no need to accept?) and the player thus cleansed doesn't know it. ryjae can cleanse all of someones sins, the player must accept, both ryjae and the player cleansed get a PM and if she tries to clean a devil it'll kill her. Yes? That's the way I understand it. Also Ginger can pray for people in purgatory to get them to heaven, but I think Ryjae only works on the living. I am a little concerned that Ginger got a PM after praying for SisC and not after praying for Guiri, but that could just be a dead v. living thing. I haven't got my results yet but I should have some, I have PM'd Pleo. BTW Guiri visited Solaris on N1. Guiri, Colby (aren't you Solaris?) can you confirm this? And still no information about the night of lust. This is making me extremely nervous.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 20, 2013 10:30:46 GMT -5
Suburban: Night action, sin action, call it what you will. It's not a question of nomenclature. It was the fact that I didn't ever see a claim from you stating that you had a Night Action, so I was wondering if I had missed it. Have you claimed something?
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Post by BillMc on Feb 20, 2013 10:35:18 GMT -5
Hmm, voting shenanigans at the end of the day; and despite being in the hot seat, Texcat didn't claim, and kept reiterating that Ryjae would clear her. Even when the day ended with her in an apparent tie with Plankton, she didn't even break the proverbial sweat that she was going to be lynch.
To me, that suggests that Texcat is the vote charger - or had a scum buddy who was the vote charger. I'm more inclined to the latter, and that we was so keen to get cleansed by Ryjae that she is most like a godfather like role.
Vote: texcat
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 20, 2013 10:57:33 GMT -5
It's a bit surprising to me that nobody is talking about yesterDay's lynch. Am I the only person who's interested in understanding what went on there?
There was a tie between texcat and myself for the lynch. Now, the rules say "There are several secret mechanisms to break ties", but I can't fathom how any tie-breaker between Player A and Player B would result in the lynch of Player C, so there must have been some voting shenanigans going on there. it seems that either
a) someone's vote(s) did not count b) someone's vote(s) counted double c) someone had extra, secret vote(s) d) someone's vote(s) were redirected
I include d) for completeness sake, though I think it quite unlikely that there's a 'vote-redirector', having never heard of such a role ever being used.
A look at the voters on the three players involved:
Suburban Plankton (6): LightFoot (148), Hockey Monkey (151), silverjan (260), scathach (295), guiri (350), Pollux Oil (384) texcat (6): dizzymrslizzy (119), Hockey Monkey (151), Idle Thoughts (156), guiri (350), BillMc (361), Holy Moley (399) Pollux Oil (5): crys (312), texcat (359), BillMc (361), scathach (365), wombat99 (368)
Hockey Monkey voted for Suburban and texcat. guiri voted for Suburban and texcat scathach voted for Suburban and Pollux BillMc voted for texcat and Pollux
So if Hockey Monkey's or guiri's votes didn't count yesterDay, there would have been a 3-way tie for the lynch. If crys', texcat's, or wombat's votes counted double, there would have been a 3-way tie as well. And of course, if there are 'secret voters' out there, then just about anything is possible.
Whatever happened, it looks to me like there was some vote manipulation and a tie-breaker, resulting in Pollux being lynched.
I see on preview that Bill has voted texcat because "suggests that Texcat is the vote charger - or had a scum buddy who was the vote charger". I'd like to know why he thinks that a Vote Charger is necessarily Scum? I think it's quite possible that the 'vote manipulator' is Christian, Heretic, or Pagan, and it's also possible that the person manipulating votes and the person whose votes were manipulated are not one and the same.
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 20, 2013 11:07:54 GMT -5
I think a critical question is one that only RyJae can answer: since Texcat accepted your sin-cleansing and you are still alive, is there any chance that that Texcat is a Devil? Can game mechanics affect your results?
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 20, 2013 11:11:29 GMT -5
Here's a list of the people who have either claimed a Role or who have died and had their roles indentified:
crys - Mechanic - can commune with the dead wombat - Mechanic - Unknown ability Pollux Oil - Investigator - could count sins LightFoot - Investigator - could investigate people she voted for
Ginger - Mechanic/Investigator - can reduce sins (Mechanic), will learn where a player's soul is (Investigator) Scathach - Investigator/Manipulator - dead players' alignments will be revealed (Investigator), redacted power (presumably Manipulator) Sister Coyote - Killer/Investigator - could count players' sins (Investigator), unknown killing power (Killer) lauriern - Killer/Investigator - duelist (Killer), unknown investigaive power, possibly related to dueling? (Investigator)
Hockey Monkey - Investigator/Mechanic/Manipulator - can protect, is a Mason, cannot be recruited
Note that we have some players with a single role (i.e. Investigator), some with a dual role (i.e. Mechanic/Investigator), and one person with a triple role.
In most cases, I've been able to match the role with the ability, as I've shown. But I'm having trouble with Hockey Monkey's role description. I can see where her protective ability could be the 'Manipulator' role, but where do the 'Mechanic' and 'Investigator' play into things?
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Post by wombat99 on Feb 20, 2013 11:14:06 GMT -5
I have not claimed a role type.
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 20, 2013 11:20:06 GMT -5
I thought crys got the offer yesterDay? I do not like this one bit. I got the same slaking their lust with me pm today so I can verify the existence of such a pm lol. Yeah, this is confusing. If crys got an offer to slake his lust on Day 3, and dizzymrslizzy got an offer to slake her lust on Day 3, then either one of them is lying or we have two Lusty people running around the town. But I can't see why crys would have lied about receiving that PM. I suppose he could have done so in order that people would think he was going to be protected overNight and not attack him...but that seems a bit far-fetched...
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Post by Suburban Plankton on Feb 20, 2013 11:23:15 GMT -5
I have not claimed a role type. You're right. When I was looking over my notes, I saw "Role Name: The Manichee" in your PM and turned that into "Role Type: Mechanic" in my brain.
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Post by ryjae on Feb 20, 2013 11:29:13 GMT -5
I think a critical question is one that only RyJae can answer: since Texcat accepted your sin-cleansing and you are still alive, is there any chance that that Texcat is a Devil? Can game mechanics affect your results? I don't see any leeway.
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