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Post by Chucara on Mar 3, 2013 4:32:45 GMT -5
You really need to read some Chac if I was to be lying then the Devils can cleanse a soul of sin. I suggest you look elsewhere as to my "luck" on not hitting Devils, that's simplest to say not everything is luck some is using observation and being right. As to recruitment after a cleanse I cannot say. My plan was and is to cleanse once a day one person, toDay threw my own plan into disarray on picking targets but that's okay if the end result means less infighting an more Devil hunting. I don't understand the first part of this. My point is: your results are useless until you're confirmed. So at the point when we only have very few people remaining - you shouldn't be alive. If you still are, I will be very skeptical of your claim. As I also said, I currently have you in the not sure department, buts the risk of lynching you is far greater than the risk of letting you live..
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Post by ryjae on Mar 3, 2013 5:49:17 GMT -5
Really? I offer the people the cleansing, that would be hard to fake.
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Post by crys on Mar 3, 2013 9:52:31 GMT -5
You really need to read some Chac if I was to be lying then the Devils can cleanse a soul of sin. I suggest you look elsewhere as to my "luck" on not hitting Devils, that's simplest to say not everything is luck some is using observation and being right. As to recruitment after a cleanse I cannot say. My plan was and is to cleanse once a day one person, toDay threw my own plan into disarray on picking targets but that's okay if the end result means less infighting an more Devil hunting. I don't understand the first part of this. My point is: your results are useless until you're confirmed. So at the point when we only have very few people remaining - you shouldn't be alive. If you still are, I will be very skeptical of your claim. As I also said, I currently have you in the not sure department, buts the risk of lynching you is far greater than the risk of letting you live.. Wait a minute put on the brakes Chucara I'm not following your logic here, and quite truthfully I am thinking that information coming from you is illogical. I am not sure that you knew the "handshake" thing and were bluffing your way through it. There is actually no reason to worry about ryjae at the moment. Several people have gotten offers to be cleansed, and have been cleansed successfully. Vote: Chucara
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 3, 2013 9:58:13 GMT -5
I am also on board with a chucara lynch.
Vote: chucara
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Day Six
Mar 3, 2013 10:21:49 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Mar 3, 2013 10:21:49 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not feeling comfortable with Chucara either....
Vote: Chucara
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Day Six
Mar 3, 2013 10:32:23 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Mar 3, 2013 10:32:23 GMT -5
Hmm, this Choo choo Chucara lynch train is certainly gathering some steam. Something is definitely niggling me about the Chucura & HM shared secret. #102 HoleyMoley!: There is something fishy about the way he's chosen to vote. I think it is far too risky a strategy for scum (way too obvious). Gut tells me his is 3rd party going for some shenanigans with the votes. That, and OMGUS Vote: HoleyMoley! So they start off for voting for each other. HoleyMoley!You are confusing me. I am not 100% certain you are not scum. I think I have an idea at the moment, but there are still too many confusions and uncertainties. I haven't reread Plankton, so I still don't really understand why you are asking that question. I know you are hinting at something, and I thought I knew what that was until you brought him into the picture. I also do not understand how you can know I am town (other than you being scum or you having an investigative day power). In short: No, I am not at all certain about Plankton, but I will reread him. I don't see scum HolyMoley! acting the way he does, so: @ Chuhura: I have been very, very, very, very slow to realise your point. I apologise for not doing this before now. Unvote: Chuhura The hint of knowing something and then the unvotes. So your 'claim' (I use claim as a lack of a better word) is: there are no third parties? I'm certainly not ready to jump to that conclusion yet based on what we currently know. I don't believe you are scum (or a very bold one at that) Hm.. Do we have a vig who thinks Pagans are not Town friendly? If so, I really don't think you should target them. Alternatively, scum did the normal NK thing. Then there are these....and then Moley suddenly decides that recruitment has occured and starts casting doubt on Chucura. Fight snuggle fight. But with the evidence on the table, lynching Chucura, would not add any additional credibility to Moley's claim. Then there is the "i blocked all kills but someone still died" claim.... Something is fishy here, and I can't get my head round it - damn you Pleo!!!
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Day Six
Mar 3, 2013 11:30:13 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 3, 2013 11:30:13 GMT -5
BillMC - Simply put, I had a panic moment of "what if Chucara's been recruited?" when HockeyMonkey advised that she hadn't, in fact, investigated Visceral and Dizzy (as she'd previously hinted, at least, that she had.) I believe it's not long after Hockey's first mason claim that I vote Chucara for the second time, although I'm going completely on memory there.
HockeyMonkey's soft-claim of investigator made me think that she was certain that alignment-changing recruitments were not a factor in this game, and that "recruitment" referred to something else (eg, soul capture). The moment she corrected that assumption, it threw a helluva lot of doubt on my assumptions up until that point.
I will reiterate that it is IMPOSSIBLE for Chucara to have started this game as a devil. I'm surprised by the "non-Christian" thing as well - but it doesn't change that fact. I can't say what the piece of information that we both have access to is, but it's conclusive. It may even be confirmable by a third person.
If anybody else knows why 25 is the odd number out of the sequence 1, 2, 5, 10, 15, 25, 50, then they also saw Chucara answer that question. You can't confirm yourself now using that method, but you can confirm him (and by extension, me). At least as far as not starting the game as a devil goes.
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Day Six
Mar 3, 2013 13:57:33 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Mar 3, 2013 13:57:33 GMT -5
Woowoo! Here comes the lazy voting train. My PM is Real, as HM said: even if I had been recruited, I could just have posted my original PM.
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Day Six
Mar 3, 2013 13:59:45 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Mar 3, 2013 13:59:45 GMT -5
Oh and scratch my fears about ryjae. I failed to consider that his targets actually do get cleared, are told about this - and that it would make absolutely no sense for devils to be able to clear sins. Sorry ryjae, I was a bit slow at getting your point..
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Day Six
Mar 3, 2013 14:01:49 GMT -5
Post by Chucara on Mar 3, 2013 14:01:49 GMT -5
I don't understand the first part of this. My point is: your results are useless until you're confirmed. So at the point when we only have very few people remaining - you shouldn't be alive. If you still are, I will be very skeptical of your claim. As I also said, I currently have you in the not sure department, buts the risk of lynching you is far greater than the risk of letting you live.. Wait a minute put on the brakes Chucara I'm not following your logic here, and quite truthfully I am thinking that information coming from you is illogical. I am not sure that you knew the "handshake" thing and were bluffing your way through it. There is actually no reason to worry about ryjae at the moment. Several people have gotten offers to be cleansed, and have been cleansed successfully. Vote: Chucara [/color][/quote] Under no circumstances could I guess the answer to that question. HM will confirm that. By all means, have ryjae clear myself or HM. I can confirm him and he can confirm me. Barring recruitment.
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Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 4, 2013 0:24:26 GMT -5
I have received an offer of cleansing. I don't have any remaining misgivings concerning ryjae. Can you make the offer to someone else instead of me? I've been confirmed already and we shouldn't waste it if not needed.
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Post by Colby11 on Mar 4, 2013 2:38:29 GMT -5
@moley
I know I feel stupid for asking
But this "magic handshake" makes no bleeping sense to me
Nor does the numbers
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 4, 2013 7:22:10 GMT -5
The numbers don't mean any thing to me. I have read through all of Chucara's post and I don't see what you are all getting at. His posting slowed down a bit when he went to India but that's all I can see.
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Post by scáthach on Mar 4, 2013 7:35:27 GMT -5
Woowoo! Here comes the lazy voting train. My PM is Real, as HM said: even if I had been recruited, I could just have posted my original PM. I think this is what's making me reluctant to vote for you. Unless you started off as a devil, which Holy Moley states is impossible, then why fake a role PM?
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Post by ryjae on Mar 4, 2013 7:35:36 GMT -5
I will check with Pleo, and get'er done.
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 12:11:27 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on Mar 4, 2013 12:11:27 GMT -5
I cannot, but feel free to not use it and use your power for good.
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 13:10:58 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 4, 2013 13:10:58 GMT -5
I CAN"T tell you about the other Power cos it is my Cardinal Sin, and yes I have committed a few to protect us good guys, I need cleansing Actually, you can tell us anything you want about the Power itself...just not the Trigger. For example, the Power that I have that can be triggered by my Cardinal Sin is "you may learn the identity of all players who targeted you and what type of power they used (Killer, Investigator, Manipulator, Mechanic)." I can freely state that because that provides absolutely no help to anyone trying to guess my Cardinal Sin.
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 13:37:04 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Mar 4, 2013 13:37:04 GMT -5
Ryjae, do you usually get a result for your cleansing? SilverJan, you know perfectly well that "did not target anyone" is a result, can you really not explain what happened last night without exposing your CS? Moley, have you actually claimed a role yet? A stealth power that blocks some kills only? I lost nothing by claiming here. I can only use the "block all killing roles" power once. And it's not as though there's any mystery about my reasons for blocking Colby - I said straight out even before Lightfoot's death that my worst nightmare was a town vig who'd take out the third-parties one by one. And while technically death isn't "the end" in this game, that doesn't mean I'm going to let somebody put a bullet through a Heretic's brain if I can stop it. What's so special about a heretic's brain? If Chucara turns out to be a non-recruited devil, I think I've lost this game, come what may[...] So you have a wincon, you need to survive? Chucara, are you saying you have not used your claimed power at all? I'm going back to look at Paranoia's posts to see if he left any clues as to his CS. Why would you say/do that? It is another one of those claims where no one can back up his story. There may be a way to prove he's a liar. Wombat, do you plan on claiming anything? Maybe after Chucara?
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 14:13:28 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Mar 4, 2013 14:13:28 GMT -5
I CAN"T tell you about the other Power cos it is my Cardinal Sin, and yes I have committed a few to protect us good guys, I need cleansing Actually, you can tell us anything you want about the Power itself...just not the Trigger. For example, the Power that I have that can be triggered by my Cardinal Sin is "you may learn the identity of all players who targeted you and what type of power they used (Killer, Investigator, Manipulator, Mechanic)." I can freely state that because that provides absolutely no help to anyone trying to guess my Cardinal Sin. I do not think this is a safe assumption. A Devil could have the same CS, and if they do, they probably have the same CS power and will recognize it and be able to identify it. Giving away your CS power, even if it isn't shared with a Devil, is simply helping the Devils fill in the logic puzzle of who has which CS.
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 14:17:11 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Mar 4, 2013 14:17:11 GMT -5
Wombat, do you plan on claiming anything? Maybe after Chucara? Do you mean role type? I would rather not. I've claimed a block/protect power and an investigative power, and I would rather not specify which is my role and which is CS.
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 14:23:29 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Mar 4, 2013 14:23:29 GMT -5
Actually, you can tell us anything you want about the Power itself...just not the Trigger. For example, the Power that I have that can be triggered by my Cardinal Sin is "you may learn the identity of all players who targeted you and what type of power they used (Killer, Investigator, Manipulator, Mechanic)." I can freely state that because that provides absolutely no help to anyone trying to guess my Cardinal Sin. I do not think this is a safe assumption. A Devil could have the same CS, and if they do, they probably have the same CS power and will recognize it and be able to identify it. Giving away your CS power, even if it isn't shared with a Devil, is simply helping the Devils fill in the logic puzzle of who has which CS. I see no reason to assume a direct correlation between Cardinal Sins and 'CS Abilities'. Do you have a particular reason to think they are probably related?
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 14:33:03 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Mar 4, 2013 14:33:03 GMT -5
Actually, you can tell us anything you want about the Power itself...just not the Trigger. For example, the Power that I have that can be triggered by my Cardinal Sin is "you may learn the identity of all players who targeted you and what type of power they used (Killer, Investigator, Manipulator, Mechanic)." I can freely state that because that provides absolutely no help to anyone trying to guess my Cardinal Sin. I do not think this is a safe assumption. A Devil could have the same CS, and if they do, they probably have the same CS power and will recognize it and be able to identify it. Giving away your CS power, even if it isn't shared with a Devil, is simply helping the Devils fill in the logic puzzle of who has which CS. So what do you make of the moley-Chucara sooper-seekrit handshake and your claimed-co-heretic Moley's latest request for others to confirm them by explaining the significance of 25? Wombat, do you plan on claiming anything? Maybe after Chucara? Do you mean role type? I would rather not. I must have missed your claim, Did you claim your targets?
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 14:33:11 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Mar 4, 2013 14:33:11 GMT -5
I do not think this is a safe assumption. A Devil could have the same CS, and if they do, they probably have the same CS power and will recognize it and be able to identify it. Giving away your CS power, even if it isn't shared with a Devil, is simply helping the Devils fill in the logic puzzle of who has which CS. I see no reason to assume a direct correlation between Cardinal Sins and 'CS Abilities'. Do you have a particular reason to think they are probably related? I believe, from the way my PM is phrased, that anyone with the same CS as mine has the same power, and those players may be of any alignment.
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 14:46:20 GMT -5
Post by ryjae on Mar 4, 2013 14:46:20 GMT -5
Yes I get results. Only one has failed due to a maybe protective block over myself. That is why I am confident from that Day/Night cycle of one being a Devil or not a Devil of that person. I get a total of 3 PMs after I send my cleanse request I get a PM saying he got it. I then get another PM (so far no one has declined) saying they accepted it. Then I get one final one saying something different but always the same theme for those successful which goes like "Player has been cleansed" other than for BillMc who accepted, and my PM said I failed. Which doesn't mean much in hindsight I was probably protected which stopped my powers as well.
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 14:46:56 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Mar 4, 2013 14:46:56 GMT -5
I believe Bill is Town due to RyJae's cleansing investigation, and I believe I was inadvertently responsible for the block on RyJae that prevented his sin cleansing. So if anyone is voting to lynch him because of the block, don't.
My powers include a block/protect action. I can protect a player, but if I do, they are prevented from using any powers they have. On Night 2, I used it on RyJae, thinking I could protect her without interfering with her Day cleansing power. I didn't realize that the offer was a Day power but the cleansing itself was a blockable Night action.
Luckily, Bill claims he didn't have any sins to cleanse anyway, so no harm done. I used the block/protect on RyJae on Night 2 I have an investigation result to share.
Suburban Plankton is Christian.
(with the usual caveat that some powers could falsify my result). And shared an investigation result on Day 4, obtained Night 3. What do I think about the sooper sekrit handshake? Honestly, I think the whole thing is BS, but if it is true, it doesn't have anything to do with the Heretic alignment. Very curious to see how Chucara flips.
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 15:33:38 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 4, 2013 15:33:38 GMT -5
Moley, have you actually claimed a role yet? A stealth power that blocks some kills only? What's so special about a heretic's brain? So you have a wincon, you need to survive? I'll answer the last question first: initially I thought I possibly needed to outlast the devils to win, until Ginger confirmed that Lightfoot is in heaven. It seemed at least unlikely that a Heretic could get into "Christian Heaven". And I'm not supposed to give away details of my Cardinal Sin, just as everybody else has claimed, so it's at least a reasonable assumption that my goal isn't to enter Hell. Which leaves... what? I don't even know what my wincon might be if I die. Conventional wisdom dictates that if you're town - or, I guess in this game, not a devil - you should assure the lynch or death of literally anybody in the game rather than yourself. The only person I can be absolutely certain is not a devil is me (although others, such as the masons, look overwhelmingly likely). The situation last night was slightly different in that I wasn't just ensuring that Colby didn't target me or Wombat, I ensured he didn't target anybody. Honestly, I didn't trust his judgement, especially after he killed Lightfoot (who, going on her actions alone, would probably be the least likely devil in the entire game.) I felt he might target a Heretic, which would likely be bad for all non-devilish factions (I know normal rules don't necessarily apply here, but surely getting one step closer to giving the devils a situation where they have a numbers majority at lynch time would be a really, really bad thing). And the bottom line is that my "living" role PM and wincon say that I have to beat the devils. I've seen no evidence that I can do that if I'm dead. I've claimed parts of my role. I have not and will not confirm the whole thing. What would have been the use of claiming last night's power in advance, for example? That would just have been asking to be killed or roleblocked before I could use it. There are limitations to my use of investigations that it would serve absolutely no purpose to give out as well - why broadcast something that would only help the people trying to stop me from using my power? It's been pretty helpful so far, at least as far as the investigation aspect goes (I guess we'll find out at the end of the game if my manipulation power was as useful). As regards last night's role: I stop any and all killing powers. It's a one-time-only thing. If a death takes place that isn't the result of somebody using a killing power, I can't stop it. My manipulation role is exactly the same as my investigation one in that respect - I target specific powers, not specific people. I could also choose which role to block - I could have blocked mechanics instead, for example - but I didn't want to block Ginger or Ryjae. ( Plankton is another story, of course. When this game is over, he and I are going to have a good long chat about the virtues of the democratic system and the ethics of preventing somebody from participating in it. While that may seem hypocritical of me, I assure you I don't have any moral qualms about taking the bullets from a crazed gunman.) Wombat, do you have any evidence at all that Cardinal Sins are something that devils have? Seems to me that it would be far too easy for them to identify the sinners if that were the case. Guiri, something has been bugging me. It seems that of all the investigation powers out there - Jan's, Ginger's, Ryjae's (I don't count my own) - yours would be the most useful when directed elsewhere, and thus the least useful in confirming a Mason. Yes, I know you can confirm their role names, but Ryjae's power in particular seems far more useful to me in confirming people who aren't devils. The last thing he wants to do is to target a devil. Here we have three people, all mutually confirming each other, who need to be confirmed to the rest of us. See, I get that the masons were under fire, but so were people like CatInASuit and various others. Heck, just confirming my role name would be more useful than targeting the masons at that point. I totally get why a townie with your role would target Solaris or Plankton. But why investigate a mason, as opposed to (for example) somebody like CatInASuit (who currently has my vote for reasons almost entirely relevant to actions committed by KidVermicious, not himself)? And talking of role names, there's one person who I feel it would be absolutely useless to investigate, who is Scathach. I just can't get over this "Gravedigger" thing. I mean, look at the naming of the devils so far: The Horseman - Death (four horses of the apocalypse, "For he rode a pale horse, and his name was Death", etc). The Great Deceiver - Satan The Gravedigger - Lucifer I mean, what other names are there for Lucifer? The golden child, the morning star, the bringer of light? Lucifer was referred to as a grave digger in the videogame "Painkiller" - heck, it's the first words he ever says in the game when he reveals himself: "I dig graves." There's also a book by Os Guinness called "The Gravedigger File", written as a series of letters from Satan about ways to secretly subvert the church from within. These aren't exactly obscure references. Couple that with the fact that her power is completely unconfirmable, the timing of her vote for Patricia (yeah, I know that it was due to Idle's statement, but if BillMC isn't scum, it looks unlikely that the devils knew that this would be qualified later on), the fact that she didn't join in the subsequent discussions about Idle's role and Patricia's framing... The Mahaloth vote on Day Four looks good, until you see that it's a joint vote with two other people: Storyteller and Bill. After Scathach's remarks about the scum's "unwillingness to bus each other", and the suspicion she was under at the time, slipping in a devil vote might make good sense to her. There were several other people also being voted for at the time. Argh, there's nothing concrete there, but the name and Scathach's day one actions are bugging me more and more. I still feel as though something isn't adding up here. Vote: Scathach.
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 15:43:21 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Mar 4, 2013 15:43:21 GMT -5
Moley, I expected either RyJae or me to either be killed or blocked last Night, as long as one of us got a result on the masons, we either had 3 scum or 3 Christians, not a bad exchange.
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 15:45:39 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 4, 2013 15:45:39 GMT -5
What do I think about the sooper sekrit handshake? Honestly, I think the whole thing is BS, but if it is true, it doesn't have anything to do with the Heretic alignment. Very curious to see how Chucara flips. It's not BS and it doesn't have anything to do with the Heretic alignment. This lynch is all wrong. You INVESTIGATE somebody in Chucara's position, you don't vote him off. That way, if you're right you catch a devil and a liar, and if you're wrong you get two confirmed players. It seriously worries me that all six players on the Chucara wagon are people I've considered at least semi-confirmed non-devils.
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 15:47:40 GMT -5
Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 4, 2013 15:47:40 GMT -5
Moley, I expected either RyJae or me to either be killed or blocked last Night, as long as one of us got a result on the masons, we either had 3 scum or 3 Christians, not a bad exchange. Ok that makes sense.
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Day Six
Mar 4, 2013 16:50:37 GMT -5
Post by Hockey Monkey! on Mar 4, 2013 16:50:37 GMT -5
I would much rather lynch scathach today than chacura.
Unvote: chacura
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