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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 6, 2013 4:39:12 GMT -5
TexCat, I'm dubious of his claim. His result contradicts RyJae's, he doesn't sin when he uses his cardinal sin, and he's not allowed to vote you? If it was just the first, I'd figure you were a godfather or somehow invisibly redirected Colby onto someone else. The second, maybe, but surely the whole point of a cardinal sin is that there's a price to pay for the pleasure? And the third just feels off to me. All three together make me question his motives. However, if it really were a ploy, why not just make a case for lynching Bill, himself or another sinless Christian? If he really thinks there's a greater benefit in lynching Christians than attempting to lynch devils, why doesn't he just say so and explain why? His own secret info tells us that lynching a Christian is a sin, killing devils helps us. I don't get it, the only explanation is that he has some unique insight into the game design that we're all (except wombat maybe) too dumb to see but then he's causing a bunch of Christians to earn sins, far more than RyJae could cleanse. And if he's also Christian and we lynch him toMorrow, even more sins. So I'm left scratching my head. Vote Scathach Vote Moley Vote Chucara Vote CIAS Guiri, I suspected Texcat right up until the point where Ryjae cleared her. Now Idle, who Ryjae also cleared, is saying that Texcat is scum? Something in the roles isn't making sense. So here's what I say. Forget the damn roles. Assume neither is cleared, and vote for who you think is scummiest. I've had my suspicions about Idle recently, purely based on a mistimed vote for me, but I don't think he started as a devil, and I don't think he was a devil on Day One. Texcat, on the other hand... had Ryjae not said she wasn't a devil, I would've voted her the day after Pollux was eliminated as well. If Ryjae is somehow wrong or lying, I have no problems whatsoever seeing Texcat as a devil. I will add here that neither Scathach nor CatInASuit are picking up any kind of traction, yet right now I'm leaning towards "devil" on both of them. I know Chucara at least didn't start the game as a devil and I see no evidence he's been recruited (yes, despite my vote a couple of days ago, which was more prompted by the double-whammy of "confirmed" recruitment-blocking roles and HockeyMonkey's mason claim than anything Chucara did), so I'd much rather get another suspect out.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 6, 2013 5:44:49 GMT -5
Idle, does something happen if a certain number of Christians get into heaven? Do we win? Do we all get transported to the great beyond and continue playing? I'm thinking there has to be a trigger of some kind to go to the next level of the game. I am suspicious of your claimed investigation. I'm just confused because you were vehemently against the idea of lynching sinless Christians when I brought it up. Wait, what does that have to do with voting against an investigated devil?
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Post by scáthach on Mar 6, 2013 6:38:57 GMT -5
It doesn't sound like a Christian power to take protection away from someone. There seem to be quite a few protection powers in play by the good guys and I can see the Devils needing a power like this. Just remember, if I get lynched tomorrow, (as is looking increasingly likely), then more likely than not there ARE devils that can protect each other or themselves.
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Post by scáthach on Mar 6, 2013 6:39:50 GMT -5
It doesn't sound like a Christian power to take protection away from someone. There seem to be quite a few protection powers in play by the good guys and I can see the Devils needing a power like this. Just remember, if I get lynched tomorrow, (as is looking increasingly likely), then more likely than not there ARE devils that can protect each other or themselves. As in: if I get lynched tomorrow, I will flip town and then the very existence of my role implies there are devils that can protect each other.
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Post by scáthach on Mar 6, 2013 6:41:52 GMT -5
RyJae, have you posted your actual PM word-for-word? Is it possible for Texcat to have accepted cleansing and be a Devil? At first you said no, there is no room for any ambiguity on the point, but now you are backtracking and saying yes, maybe you can cleanse a Devil? Please explain what in your PM makes you now think that you can cleanse a Devil without dying. Have you changed your mind solely based on Idle's claimed investigation? If ryjae investigated Texcat, found her to be Christian, but then subsequently Texcat was recruited, would that explain the disparity?
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Post by guiri on Mar 6, 2013 6:49:43 GMT -5
RyJae, have you posted your actual PM word-for-word? Is it possible for Texcat to have accepted cleansing and be a Devil? At first you said no, there is no room for any ambiguity on the point, but now you are backtracking and saying yes, maybe you can cleanse a Devil? Please explain what in your PM makes you now think that you can cleanse a Devil without dying. Have you changed your mind solely based on Idle's claimed investigation? If ryjae investigated Texcat, found her to be Christian, but then subsequently Texcat was recruited, would that explain the disparity? D'oh, that would explain it. RyJae cleansed TexCat N3, Idle investigated her N5, a semi-confirmed townie would be a great recruit. Vote TexCat
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 6, 2013 7:26:38 GMT -5
RyJae, have you posted your actual PM word-for-word? Is it possible for Texcat to have accepted cleansing and be a Devil? At first you said no, there is no room for any ambiguity on the point, but now you are backtracking and saying yes, maybe you can cleanse a Devil? Please explain what in your PM makes you now think that you can cleanse a Devil without dying. Have you changed your mind solely based on Idle's claimed investigation? If ryjae investigated Texcat, found her to be Christian, but then subsequently Texcat was recruited, would that explain the disparity? Huh. I didn't even think of that. That works.
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Post by wombat99 on Mar 6, 2013 9:52:49 GMT -5
RyJae, have you posted your actual PM word-for-word? Is it possible for Texcat to have accepted cleansing and be a Devil? At first you said no, there is no room for any ambiguity on the point, but now you are backtracking and saying yes, maybe you can cleanse a Devil? Please explain what in your PM makes you now think that you can cleanse a Devil without dying. Have you changed your mind solely based on Idle's claimed investigation? If ryjae investigated Texcat, found her to be Christian, but then subsequently Texcat was recruited, would that explain the disparity? That makes sense. That would explain why two players could get different, seemingly incontrovertible investigation results.
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Day Six
Mar 6, 2013 10:03:27 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Mar 6, 2013 10:03:27 GMT -5
I agree it makes some sense. But it is not true. I am Christian. I don't know what Idle's plan is but I sure as heck hope he has one. And I hope they have spoilers in heaven!!
Reminder to the sinless: Do not gain a sin by voting for me. I am a runaway lynch and don't need your vote. Just play it safe.
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Day Six
Mar 6, 2013 10:14:03 GMT -5
Post by wombat99 on Mar 6, 2013 10:14:03 GMT -5
Idle, does something happen if a certain number of Christians get into heaven? Do we win? Do we all get transported to the great beyond and continue playing? I'm thinking there has to be a trigger of some kind to go to the next level of the game. I am suspicious of your claimed investigation. I'm just confused because you were vehemently against the idea of lynching sinless Christians when I brought it up. Wait, what does that have to do with voting against an investigated devil? Nothing... I was exploring the train of thought that Idle was Townie-bussing sinless Texcat to get her to Heaven. I still would like an explanation as to how Idle can commit his Cardinal Sin without being penalized with a sin, BTW.
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Day Six
Mar 6, 2013 10:41:17 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Mar 6, 2013 10:41:17 GMT -5
I've been reading through the Day again and can't see much else to do other than
Vote: texcat
I agree with scathach that given the possibilities, the likeliest option is a recruitment. It fits the facts and assumptions I have up to this point, including ryjae being honest.
I will be honest, I am surprised that Idle Thought's Cardinal Sin does not cause him to sin, because I know that if I was to use mine I sin. But I'll pass on asking if anyone else has the same effect on the simple grounds that the less said on them, the better.
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Day Six
Mar 6, 2013 11:46:58 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 6, 2013 11:46:58 GMT -5
Just popping on for a quick second to say I won't be on again before the end of Day. Busy life suddenly.
I don't know why I don't sin if I use my Cardinal Sin...maybe it has to do with whatever secret powers I would get in Purgatory. But obviously there's an exception to sinning when using CS, because I'm one (unless someone wants to come forward with not sinning when using it?)
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Day Six
Mar 6, 2013 11:48:25 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Mar 6, 2013 11:48:25 GMT -5
Idle, before you go, please tell us what will happen to you if you vote TexCat toDay.
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Day Six
Mar 6, 2013 11:56:22 GMT -5
Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 6, 2013 11:56:22 GMT -5
I've already answered that. My PM says I can't due to something related to my Cardinal Sin (it's an action that relates to it and gives as the excuse to why I can't vote for said person). To give any more away would be too much. Hell, maybe it's too much already...and if so, I hope everyone finds YOU suspicious next for seemingly pushing me for an answer about it.
I assume my vote would not be counted, but I'm not even going to try it. I take my PM for what it says, thanks....and if that makes you believe me less, so be it.
I'll be back tonight/toNight sometime.
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Day Six
Mar 6, 2013 12:06:18 GMT -5
Post by guiri on Mar 6, 2013 12:06:18 GMT -5
I've already answered that. My PM says I can't due to something related to my Cardinal Sin (it's an action that relates to it and gives as the excuse to why I can't vote for said person). To give any more away would be too much. Hell, maybe it's too much already...and if so, I hope everyone finds YOU suspicious next for seemingly pushing me for an answer about it. You're right, you did answer before, I just wanted to know what the punishment was for voting her, not the reasoning why you couldn't. In my mafia experience post and vote restrictions are very, very rare and usually there's a penalty for non-compliance.
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Day Six
Mar 6, 2013 13:47:49 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Mar 6, 2013 13:47:49 GMT -5
Of course - Texcat has already claimed to have this vote manipulating power -- so she's obviously going to use that again and avoid being lynched and someone else will take the fall
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Day Six
Mar 6, 2013 14:40:56 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Mar 6, 2013 14:40:56 GMT -5
I'd be tempted to use it if I could, but it was a one-time power.
Anyone want to take bets on what Idle's story will be when I flip town? I hoping it will be along the lines of "Bwhawhawha! Can't believe I convinced everyone to vote for a confirmed townie, haha." But I bet it will be, "I don't know what happened. My investigation said that she was a Devil. I must have been re-directed." DO NOT spend anytime trying to figure out what happened. Idle made the whole thing up. There are just too many holes in his story: no sin for using his CS power (Really???), he can't vote for me (Really?).
Ginger, no need to pray for me because I believe that I am still sinless. Unless you run out of other townies to pray for.
Ryjae, if you try to cleanse a Devil, do you die at dawn or dusk? You do need to post your target sometime before your scheduled death time, so that town knows who to lynch. I suggest Suburban and Crys for likely targets. Suburban was cleared by Wombat with a caveat and Crys seems like town to me, but I am suspicious that her power has never worked. I suppose eventually town will have to test the Moley-Chucara seekrit handshake. Be sure and tell someone where you're going if you venture there!
Finally, I have information that Moley, BillMc, crys, Suburban, and CIAS have all been investigated by someone. Wombat claimed a Suburban investigation, but I don't know if she can claim any of the others. I don't even know if the investigator(s) are Devil or non-Devil. But I have been looking at those investigated as tentative townies.
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