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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 8, 2013 12:02:09 GMT -5
How do you know it screwed you? Maybe it helped more the Christians to win. You don't know that it didn't, yet.
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Post by crys on Mar 8, 2013 12:14:42 GMT -5
How do you know it screwed you? Maybe it helped more the Christians to win. You don't know that it didn't, yet. But we don't know that it did either. We know that a ton have extra sins they wouldn't have otherwise making it less likely that other christians will not make it into heaven immediately because they will not be cleansed Sent from my DROID RAZR using proboards
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 8, 2013 12:21:58 GMT -5
Hey, read what my post says. My PM says Christians in Heaven = good. It doesn't say anything else for a wincon...so for all we know, that's what we're supposed to be doing. So pardon for trying to add two free points to the score. Don't like it? Lynch me.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Mar 8, 2013 13:48:41 GMT -5
Question, how do you know if you gained a sin. Does the mod tell you your running total or are you just suppose to keep track in your mind?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Mar 8, 2013 13:49:06 GMT -5
Question, how do you know if you gained a sin. Does the mod tell you your running total or are you just suppose to keep track in your mind?
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Mar 8, 2013 13:49:30 GMT -5
Opps didn't mean to post that twice
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 8, 2013 14:24:23 GMT -5
Hey, read what my post says. My PM says Christians in Heaven = good. It doesn't say anything else for a wincon...so for all we know, that's what we're supposed to be doing. So pardon for trying to add two free points to the score. Don't like it? Lynch me. So let me ask you this. I've previously hypothesized that if the devils gain parity, every remaining Christian, Heretic, Pagan, and Jedi Knight (don't ask) all go straight to Hell. Do you have any evidence at all that that's not the case?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Mar 8, 2013 15:40:44 GMT -5
Ginger, I have not been told when I have sinned, even though I know that I have.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 9, 2013 0:56:57 GMT -5
Hey, read what my post says. My PM says Christians in Heaven = good. It doesn't say anything else for a wincon...so for all we know, that's what we're supposed to be doing. So pardon for trying to add two free points to the score. Don't like it? Lynch me. So let me ask you this. I've previously hypothesized that if the devils gain parity, every remaining Christian, Heretic, Pagan, and Jedi Knight (don't ask) all go straight to Hell. Do you have any evidence at all that that's not the case? Nope. Ginger-I've kept track in my head. I became sin-free Day one. Since then, I haven't voted for anyone who was a Christian...nor have I used my Cardinal Sin (which DOES make me sin, by the way)...nor have I ever "slaked lust" with the offer when I got it. So unless there's a secret way of sinning, I haven't sinned.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 9, 2013 4:42:18 GMT -5
So let me ask you this. I've previously hypothesized that if the devils gain parity, every remaining Christian, Heretic, Pagan, and Jedi Knight (don't ask) all go straight to Hell. Do you have any evidence at all that that's not the case? Nope. Ginger-I've kept track in my head. I became sin-free Day one. Since then, I haven't voted for anyone who was a Christian...nor have I used my Cardinal Sin (which DOES make me sin, by the way)...nor have I ever "slaked lust" with the offer when I got it. So unless there's a secret way of sinning, I haven't sinned. So your argument is that the devils can survive the entire game, gain parity, lynch us all, but still lose because enough Christians made it to heaven? Don't you think that, to put it mildly, that's rather a silly assumption, even given the facts that you've presented? I mean, if that's the case, what the heck are we all supposed to be doing here? And what happened to "killing devils will help your team"? Unvote: Idle Thoughts.I'd vote Wombat right now but I'm not interested in lynching recruited devils. Idle's actions make me think that they are most scared of losing their original members, which means Scathach or CatInASuit for me.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Mar 9, 2013 10:02:14 GMT -5
So let me ask you this. I've previously hypothesized that if the devils gain parity, every remaining Christian, Heretic, Pagan, and Jedi Knight (don't ask) all go straight to Hell. Do you have any evidence at all that that's not the case? Nope. Ginger-I've kept track in my head. I became sin-free Day one. Since then, I haven't voted for anyone who was a Christian...nor have I used my Cardinal Sin (which DOES make me sin, by the way)...nor have I ever "slaked lust" with the offer when I got it. So unless there's a secret way of sinning, I haven't sinned. But you made most of us vote a Christian and sin... Less not forget lied as well. I understand your reasoning for it, but still...
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 9, 2013 13:21:18 GMT -5
Hey, read what my post says. My PM says Christians in Heaven = good. You've left out a rather important qualifier there, haven't you? Your PM says Christians in heaven = good WHEN THEY DIE. Nothing about the wider ramifications of sending them there. Or wasting kills on them that may be used on devils instead. Right now I'm hoping everything is as obvious as it appears to be: you're a recruited devil, Wombat is too, and Scathach and CatInASuit are the remaining original devils. Honestly, if that's not the case, I don't see us winning here. Heck, I don't see us winning here regardless - we don't seem to be able to agree on anything right now. I think the entire possibility of recruitment, with no information about the mechanics of such, has screwed us. I have no idea whether or not to trust the same people that I trusted one round ago.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 9, 2013 13:22:55 GMT -5
I understand your reasoning for it, but still... Well I'm glad somebody does. You remember the ten billion or so arguments I made against it when Wombat first suggested this idea? Can somebody please explain to me what's changed between then and now, apart from most likely Idle's alignment?
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 9, 2013 15:15:35 GMT -5
I don't think Idle's alignment has changed, I think he's still a Christian but I think he's gone off half cocked on an idea that I can't see helping Town. If he has changed alignment I don't see that it could be voluntary and most recruitment is voluntary. It is annoying that he made a unilateral decision that affected a lot of Christians (pagans and heretics too I assume) and he wasn't scum hunting. If we vote off Idle now scum will be hosing themselves laughing so I don't think it's a good idea but I want it noted that I am really not happy about what he did.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 9, 2013 15:27:53 GMT -5
I doubt scum will be laughing with my lynch since I'm not scum and will go to Heaven... ...so again..
FEEL FREE TO LYNCH ME.[/size]
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Post by crys on Mar 9, 2013 19:56:39 GMT -5
are there enough of us "other" denominations to vote idle and have the christians split their vote and keep any other christians from gaining sin to find out idle's alignment once and for all?
I am sending a pm to pleonast to find out if I as a pagan receives a sin from voting a christian. If I do I am screwed either way. I will ask about the heretics also.
If the other denominations all vote idle and he is a sin free christian that helps town. If he is a devillish devil that also helps town, and keeps the rest of the christians from gaining another sin. I will let you know when I get the results from the pm and we can decide what to do with this whole situation.
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Post by crys on Mar 9, 2013 19:57:51 GMT -5
I don't think Idle's alignment has changed, I think he's still a Christian but I think he's gone off half cocked on an idea that I can't see helping Town. If he has changed alignment I don't see that it could be voluntary and most recruitment is voluntary. It is annoying that he made a unilateral decision that affected a lot of Christians (pagans and heretics too I assume) and he wasn't scum hunting. If we vote off Idle now scum will be hosing themselves laughing so I don't think it's a good idea but I want it noted that I am really not happy about what he did. I don't know that Idle's decision really affected pagans or heretics. I am waiting for a response from pleo about that now.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 9, 2013 21:16:23 GMT -5
I don't think Idle's alignment has changed, I think he's still a Christian but I think he's gone off half cocked on an idea that I can't see helping Town. If he has changed alignment I don't see that it could be voluntary and most recruitment is voluntary. It is annoying that he made a unilateral decision that affected a lot of Christians (pagans and heretics too I assume) and he wasn't scum hunting. If we vote off Idle now scum will be hosing themselves laughing so I don't think it's a good idea but I want it noted that I am really not happy about what he did. I don't know that Idle's decision really affected pagans or heretics. I am waiting for a response from pleo about that now. I think he's screwed us. We lose if the devils win. Idle, regardless of alignment, seems intent on handing victory right over to them.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 10, 2013 3:29:54 GMT -5
My "intent" is to betray my own team? Yeah, okay. You noticed guiri's post earlier toDay on the last page, did ya? Read it again. Read it over and over and over until it sinks it. Try reading this post by me again too: www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=pleoapoc&thread=2123&page=1#106033..and then stop throwing around this stuff around like "his intent seems to be handing them the win" Yes, I'm editing...and I don't care if I get a penalty for it. I'm fine with that.
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Post by JustBeingGinger on Mar 10, 2013 9:00:45 GMT -5
I doubt scum will be laughing with my lynch since I'm not scum and will go to Heaven... ...so again.. FEEL FREE TO LYNCH ME.[/size][/quote] I am not going to vote you. I understand the theory that one more Christian in heaven is a good thing, the only negative to it is that now those of us who were low in the sins category, now it is a tad bit harder for us to get into heaven because most of us sinned. I cannot clear my own sins...
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 10, 2013 9:58:54 GMT -5
My "intent" is to betray my own team? Yeah, okay. You noticed guiri's post earlier toDay on the last page, did ya? Read it again. Read it over and over and over until it sinks it. Try reading this post by me again too: www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=pleoapoc&thread=2123&page=1#106033..and then stop throwing around this stuff around like "his intent seems to be handing them the win" Yes, I'm editing...and I don't care if I get a penalty for it. I'm fine with that. I've read that post. Its conclusions are totally unwarranted. I honestly feel like I'm three or four steps ahead of every other non-devil in this game right now. You've come up with a theory that doesn't fit the facts that we know, yet I seem to be the only one doing the sensible thing, with is to try and shut it down and lynch devils. I don't think you have the slightest clue about how this game works or what we have to do to win. You've got your own idea and you're blatantly ignoring the facts in order to make them "fit" this idea. The result is, you're either totally clueless, or you're a devil. Either way, we're screwed. You have no idea what happens if the devils get parity. None. As far as we know, the devils may win right then and there, regardless of how many Christians are in heaven. And if this ISN'T the case, why bother putting in the bit in the wincon about "killing devils is good"? If the idea was to get all Christians into heaven, wouldn't killing devils be bad? And there are other details. For example, what happens to Christians - or other parties - who are alive at the end of the game? They're not in heaven OR hell. You don't seem to have accounted for this. I'd say you don't seem to have the faintest idea. There's zero evidence to suggest that the game doesn't ends until all Christians are dead, regardless of parity. Just that it ends when either the devils "win" or are beaten. I congratulate you on one thing, at least. The Christian win condition doesn't say anything about you having to beat third-parties. Yet you are successfully managing it right now.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 10, 2013 10:08:47 GMT -5
And to everybody else who isn't a devil or a recruit at this point, I'll say this:
If your win condition mentions having to beat the devils, mentions that killing devils will help, and DOESN'T mention that killing yourself will help, can I suggest that you either:
1) Vote for CatInASuit. Or 2) Come up with a case on a devil suspect.
I'm almost nervous to throw out a name after DizzyMrsLizzy, but CIAS is the best I can come up with right now.
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Post by crys on Mar 10, 2013 13:39:44 GMT -5
My "intent" is to betray my own team? Yeah, okay. You noticed guiri's post earlier toDay on the last page, did ya? Read it again. Read it over and over and over until it sinks it. Try reading this post by me again too: www.idlemafia.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=pleoapoc&thread=2123&page=1#106033..and then stop throwing around this stuff around like "his intent seems to be handing them the win" Yes, I'm editing...and I don't care if I get a penalty for it. I'm fine with that. The problem with this is that it is most likely a ton of crap. You are acting like a recruited devil. I know that christian idle would say the same things. However this whole I'm christian defense doesn't float with me right now. As a christian you should want to keep all the needless sin down to a minimum and you haven't you have lied and caused most of the rest of your team to sin. That is something that a devil would do. Combine that with the direct lack of disregard for more sins by challenging us to lynch you tells me one thing you MUST be a recruited devil, or incredibly naive. I know that you aren't the second one.
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 10, 2013 16:15:33 GMT -5
And to everybody else who isn't a devil or a recruit at this point, I'll say this: If your win condition mentions having to beat the devils, mentions that killing devils will help, and DOESN'T mention that killing yourself will help, can I suggest that you either: 1) Vote for CatInASuit. Or 2) Come up with a case on a devil suspect. I'm almost nervous to throw out a name after DizzyMrsLizzy, but CIAS is the best I can come up with right now. Vote CIASThe problem with this is that it is most likely a ton of crap. You are acting like a recruited devil. I know that christian idle would say the same things. However this whole I'm christian defense doesn't float with me right now. As a christian you should want to keep all the needless sin down to a minimum and you haven't you have lied and caused most of the rest of your team to sin. That is something that a devil would do. Combine that with the direct lack of disregard for more sins by challenging us to lynch you tells me one thing you MUST be a recruited devil, or incredibly naive. I know that you aren't the second one.[/quote]
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 10, 2013 16:20:12 GMT -5
What a mess, sorry crys that I copied your post but it's what I feel
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Post by crys on Mar 10, 2013 19:46:25 GMT -5
fine...fine...Fine!! Keep in mind this is mainly a place holder for me at the moment because I still feel terribly uncomfortable with Idle.....
Vote: CIAS
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Mar 10, 2013 22:10:36 GMT -5
Vote: CIAS
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Post by ryjae on Mar 10, 2013 22:37:10 GMT -5
The conundrum I have is I offered CIAS a cleansing but looking over everything I don't think it will end well for me so I possibly wasted a cleanse because I am for this lynch... I knew I shouldn't have offered so early in the Day.
Vote: Cat In A Suit
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Post by Chucara on Mar 11, 2013 9:06:23 GMT -5
Can someone explain the CIAS train to me?
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 11, 2013 9:21:10 GMT -5
Afternoon all,. ryjae - thanks for the offer of cleansing, I believe I would like to take you up on the offer assuming I'm not lynched first.
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