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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 13, 2013 19:34:43 GMT -5
Moley, care to explain how your 'secret handshake' went awry before you get lynched? I'll echo the question of why we got a full reveal...and note that it wasn't just Chucara; we got a full reveal on Hockey Monkey too. There's an "inheritor" power in the game. They can use the last night's dead person's power. That's not exact knowledge, just a guess. I've not been exactly frank about my own power either, so I'm guessing it's a Christian or some other role.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 13, 2013 19:37:16 GMT -5
Ha!! I KNEW Chucara was a Devil. Haven't I been saying it the last 3-4 Days? He was at the top of my list (along with silverjan and Holy Moley). I don't necessarily disagree on Silverjan. At least I'd like to see her investigated. (I know you guys are probably discounting all of this right now, but keep it in mind when I flip.)
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 13, 2013 19:41:54 GMT -5
Looking back, Idle did vote Chucara on Day Five. Haven't exactly had time to analyse that one. Somebody should. Thanks Moley.... For blocking me killing CIAS THE OTHER NIGHT Vent over.... Oh, and to anyone cleansing sins, I do not need your services. Thanks You are KIDDING ME. Why the hell did you go and target Lightfoot then? She was the ONLY person who'd come up with any evidence at all that anybody was a devil!
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 13, 2013 19:43:47 GMT -5
Looking back, Idle did vote Chucara on Day Five. Haven't exactly had time to analyse that one. Somebody should. QFE. I doubt Chucara was recruited - if that's what happened - as late as that. More likely it happened early in the game. Although Colby's point about Chucara's role title is a good one. Which again means I'm headed straight to hell when I die. Oh well. Wasn't joking the other day when I said I'd played this game so badly, I probably deserved to be lynched.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 13, 2013 19:49:23 GMT -5
Given Holy Moley's push to get CIAS lynched, I'm back to thinking he's not a devil. Which to my mind reduces suspicion on Chucara as well, (barring recruitment of course, but it doesn't seem like he'd be the best target to recruit given there's been a bit of suspicion on him). Might as well at least try to defend myself here. Scathach had early votes on both Chucara and Mahaloth. Still can't believe the mods accidentally named a Christian after freakin' Lucifer, but this doesn't seem like the work of a devil to me. Again, somebody should look up the circumstances of those votes, because it's currently 12:48am and I'm probably not going to be able to get back online until Friday now, by which time I fully expect to be dead.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 13, 2013 19:54:30 GMT -5
Well crud, and I was just beginning to get into the game as well.. Have fun all. Sorry to be so hard on you CIAS. I knew KidV probably wouldn't accept the SisC and Lightfoot cases as easily as he had, from long experience of him being on my tail when I was scum. When the story of this sorry game is told, that's gonna be the one thing I got right I guess.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 13, 2013 20:02:06 GMT -5
I assume BillMc has a voting power and did it (what with his "Oops " comment above mine. I'm guessing that's it. I guess I can scratch Bill's name off my "most likely to be a Devil" list. And probably Holy Moley as well, unless he's trying for the Oscar for "Best Bussing by a Supporting Scum". Dude, I would TOTALLY do that if I thought KidV had screwed up (and he did). And have done in the past. Ask Texcat or Nanook. Hell, KidV himself was there for both "bussings". That's the ridiculous part. Oh, one more little nugget: on Day One, I wanted to be voted for but not lynched. Did a fantastic job of that, I think. If it wasn't for the minor detail of wrongly clearing a horseman of the apocalypse and most likely sending myself to Hell in the process, not to mention accusing two masons, a vig, a priest and my own fellow Heretic...
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 13, 2013 20:04:49 GMT -5
Oh, and somebody visited me last night. Not sure if they can confirm anything I've said, now or in the past, but I guess it's better than nothing.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 13, 2013 20:16:56 GMT -5
I forgot. Guiri confirmed I was the scientist.
Colby and Idle - Colby's point regarding the naming of devils is a good one. I don't see much room for doubt that I was a Heretic on Day Two, given my reaction to Wombat's soft-claim, do you? And my role name is confirmed by a claimed Christian investigator. It sure as heck isn't War or Famine.
Here's an idea I had about why there had to be twenty-six people:
- Five devils: Satan, War, Pestilence, Famine and Death. - Three people, one of each denomination (Christian, Heretic or Pagan) of each of the seven Cardinal Sins, making twenty-one people in total.
Twenty-one non-devils and five devils = twenty-six in total.
I have no specific information about the number of each denomination (and there are already more than seven confirmed Christians I think), nor the number of people with each Cardinal Sin (and we can hardly confirm that, although I suspect that if there ARE five devils, the idea's already occurred to them, hence I have no problem writing it here). But the 21/5 ratio seems plausible enough. In which case we were looking for five devils, probably with the names given above.
Remember my prediction, way back on Day One, that the devils would stay quiet and let the non-devils eliminate each other after Patricia's slip? Freaking nailed that one. Mahaloth, KidV, Chucara, Patricia... So far we've got Satan, Death and Pestilence confirmed. Which means CIAS and the one remaining devil would be War and Famine, in either order (since we don't know which one CIAS was).
I'd also suggest that Satan, AKA Mahaloth, would be the most likely Godfather of the two. Him or Death. Both of which are dead.
Sorry for the stream-of-consciousness here, but I've got no other way to contribute.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 13, 2013 20:19:31 GMT -5
...And I think I'm through. G'night. See you in hell peeps.
Somebody look up Idle's vote for Chucara, and Scathach's votes for Chucara and CatInASuit. If they stand up, I'm probably wrong about these two as suspects.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 13, 2013 20:30:20 GMT -5
Ah, what the heck, one more.
Here's what I've got in terms of thoughts of the remaining players:
02. silverjan 03. guiri 04. wombat99 06. JustBeingGinger 09. scathach 12. crys 13. Suburban Plankton - 1 penalty 16. Solaris colby11 - 1 penalty 19. Idle Thoughts - 2 penalties 21. HolyMoley! - 1 penalty 23. BillMc 24. dizzymrslizzy 26. ryjae - 1 penalty
Of those, I doubt Ryjae, Dizzy, Colby, Plankton, Idle, Wombat or Crys started the game as devils. If recruitment really isn't an option then that only leaves Jan, Guiri, Ginger, Scathach.
I've been suspicious of all four of them at times.
- Was Ginger cleared? I forget. - Scathach was cleared by Wombat.
I think there's reason to suspect all four of them, but also possibly reason to clear them. Guiri was right about my role title and others. His role could be a devil's role but I'm not feeling it from him... Jan is a definite suspect. Scathach, I've been really suspicious of, but if we're looking for War / Famine then my Lucifer theory looks like a possible mod oversight.
My top pick? Probably Jan at this point, although two days ago I'd probably have said Scathach, and before that I might well have said Guiri. Hell, I voted for Ginger on Day One. (I've voted for all of them at some point.) So I'm not sure at all. Yeah, I know, fat lot of good that is, just putting my thoughts out there before I'm lynched.
Now GOOD NIGHT!!!
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 13, 2013 20:35:33 GMT -5
Actually, on reflection, add one more suspect to the list, just in case Wombat was wrong: Plankton. The fact that he voted both KidV and Mahaloth on Day Two doesn't really ease my mind, since neither vote really helped either of them get lynched. My gut says he's probably a Christian, but my gut has been really really really wrong before.
Grief, I need to shut up and get some sleep.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 13, 2013 20:43:46 GMT -5
Vote: SilverJan.
She's basically the only person not cleared in some way, apart from Guiri. I'm suspicious of the clearings (heck, mine was wrong!) but her voting record contains nothing but non-devils up until yesterday's early vote for CIAS. And I think she basically had to throw that one.
My second suspect would be Guiri and my third Scathach, in case Jan's a Christian. Both their voting records look considerably better than Silverjan's, but it would be good strategy for a devil to vote another devil when they're not in danger anyway and I don't see anything to definitively suggest that either of these two wasn't doing this.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 13, 2013 20:51:21 GMT -5
And based solely on the Names of the dead Scum, I don't think there's any 'traditional' recruitment in this game. I think the only Devils we are going to find began the game that way. Possibly, and my power is only useful if there were multiple evil-sounding characters at the start of the game. SilverJan's the Quixote, as claimed. Fuuuuuuuuuuck. Unvote: Silverjan.Then again I'd ask what room there is for doubt about either Ginger (do we absolutely know that she has the power she claims?) or Scathach. Vote: Ginger. Vote: Scathach.You guys sort this one out after I'm dead.
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Post by Colby11 on Mar 14, 2013 0:49:44 GMT -5
Looking back, Idle did vote Chucara on Day Five. Haven't exactly had time to analyse that one. Somebody should. Thanks Moley.... For blocking me killing CIAS THE OTHER NIGHT Vent over.... Oh, and to anyone cleansing sins, I do not need your services. Thanks You are KIDDING ME. Why the hell did you go and target Lightfoot then? She was the ONLY person who'd come up with any evidence at all that anybody was a devil! Okay, that one was stupid on my end, honestly.... But I was skeptical of the pagan and heretics claims.... Lightfoot was just the unfortunate person who drew the short straw
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 14, 2013 2:51:38 GMT -5
Vote Holey Moley
Vote Hammer ...Wow. Ok I completely missed night plus the last part of the last day. Apparently, I was right about KidV. So yay! Chucara may have been recruited. He didn't start the day as a devil. The handshake refers to cardinal sin mechanics. And since Chucara was a recruited devil, I think it's safe to say that I'm hellbound regardless of what happens.. So.. lynch away. Bye guys. It's been educational. So if Chucara was recruited, as you say....what of me? You admit now that I haven't been? Not sure I believe recruiting happened here. Chucara had the ORIGINAL name of one of the four horsement. That strikes me as being original scum.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 14, 2013 2:55:55 GMT -5
I'm still suspicious as hell of Idle by the way. That vote for me when CatInASuit was on the block and looked to be being lynched, coupled with the two other votes that make it look SO inconsequential, pinged the hell out of me before and still does. Because you lied. Simple as. Look...which is it? You think either Chucara is the recruit or I am...Since Chucara came up "Devil", you're saying it's him, but that must mean I'm not, right? (Question just to you--I already know I'm not recruited) I mean, didn't Pleonast say IF there was recruiting, it would only be one? Can you see a game having TWO recruitions? Not to mention, I seem to recall Pleo saying something about recruiting being volunteery in this game too. I certainly wouldn't volunteer to change sides.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 14, 2013 2:56:43 GMT -5
And what the heck happened to lynching Christians, you gigantic goop?! Haha, I have to admit, this made me laugh though. You're a good guy, Moley...hope you keep staying.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Mar 14, 2013 2:59:37 GMT -5
And that's what I get for replying post by post without reading the other replies first.
Just saw all of your posts now.
Not sure what to believe.
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Post by Silver Jan on Mar 14, 2013 3:51:33 GMT -5
I think Holey is scum/ Devil, voting for me without checking my whole voting record. Hmmmm I did vote for Patricia, a fact that you conveniently left out. I think Holey is scrabbling at the moment.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 14, 2013 4:32:22 GMT -5
I think Holey is scum/ Devil, voting for me without checking my whole voting record. Hmmmm I did vote for Patricia, a fact that you conveniently left out. I think Holey is scrabbling at the moment. Back, for about ten minutes before I have to go to work. 1) I AM the Scientist, as confirmed by Guiri. And again, I will point to thew fact that my first action, immediately after Wombat mentioned the word "Heretic" on day two, was to unvote her while giving zero reasoning except "I no longer think she's a devil". If I'm a devil, not a Heretic, why do a U-turn like that? 2) I missed that, but yes, you threw a late vote on Patricia. Doesn't clear you. The fact that every single known devil had only manipulator powers might though (and might also clear Guiri). Leads me to believe we're not looking for somebody who has a non-manipulator power that might be devilish, but somebody who has powers that aren't confirmed and may be fake. The ones that I can think of are Crys, Bill, Idle, Ginger and Scat. Crys is apparently a confirmed Pagan, unless something really really weird happened with Lightfoot; Scathach has been confirmed by Wombat.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 14, 2013 4:39:14 GMT -5
Oh, and Idle was confirmed by Ryjae. Bill's claimed a vote manipulation power of some kind, which is a mechanic power, not a manipulator one.
Again - good luck sorting this one out.
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Post by Holy Moley! on Mar 14, 2013 4:43:04 GMT -5
And that's what I get for replying post by post without reading the other replies first. Just saw all of your posts now. Not sure what to believe. Believe one thing: this whole line is academic for me now. I've almost certainly already lost, regardless of whether I get lynched or not, and the only reason I'm fighting at all right now is because of the very small possibility that if we kill the devils before I die, I count towards the "heavenly" side even if the devils have claimed my soul beforehand. Which they absolutely will have done.
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Post by scáthach on Mar 14, 2013 4:58:59 GMT -5
Still can't believe the mods accidentally named a Christian after freakin' Lucifer, but this doesn't seem like the work of a devil to me. Arg - can someone else please put me out of my misery here, because this is irritating me beyond all reason. Has anyone else ever heard gravedigger as a nickname for Lucifer? Anyone? Cos if someone has, then fine, I'll accept it as some regional thing I'm not aware of, but I can find no reference to it online and Moley's cites were the least convincing ever and it's driving me nuts
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Post by scáthach on Mar 14, 2013 4:59:21 GMT -5
I'll echo the question of why we got a full reveal...and note that it wasn't just Chucara; we got a full reveal on Hockey Monkey too. There's an "inheritor" power in the game. They can use the last night's dead person's power. That's not exact knowledge, just a guess. I've not been exactly frank about my own power either, so I'm guessing it's a Christian or some other role. ? Or it could be the person who claimed to be able to do exactly that?
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Post by wombat99 on Mar 14, 2013 7:39:08 GMT -5
Still can't believe the mods accidentally named a Christian after freakin' Lucifer, but this doesn't seem like the work of a devil to me. Arg - can someone else please put me out of my misery here, because this is irritating me beyond all reason. Has anyone else ever heard gravedigger as a nickname for Lucifer? Anyone? Cos if someone has, then fine, I'll accept it as some regional thing I'm not aware of, but I can find no reference to it online and Moley's cites were the least convincing ever and it's driving me nuts I haven't heard Gavedigger = Lucifer before, no. To me, Gravedigger = a green monster truck. I have a son who's a fan
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Mar 14, 2013 8:41:09 GMT -5
Oh FFS, I just lost my wow post Regardless, Holy you lied OVER and OVER and OVER again in this game. Time for You Lie you Die! Vote: Holy MoleyVote: HAMMER
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Post by wombat99 on Mar 14, 2013 10:01:24 GMT -5
Vote: hammer
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Post by Pleonast on Mar 14, 2013 10:54:24 GMT -5
If there's still at least 7 votes to Hammer at 12n PT, then the Day will end at that point. Votes and actions received at 12:00n or later will not be counted. However, I'm likely to be in a meeting, so results may be delayed.
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Post by guiri on Mar 14, 2013 11:03:32 GMT -5
Has the Day been hammered? Do I get a penalty for not having a vote?
Vote Scathach
I've never heard the devil & gravedigger connection.
While my power doesn't tell me alignment, there must be a point in learning a player's character.
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