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Post by Paranoia on Apr 29, 2013 22:18:14 GMT -5
Night One
Keep your hands in the car at all times.
Peeker has been lynched and killed.
Night will end in 48 hours at 10:00 pm cdt on May 1st, so please get your night actions in asap.
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Post by peekercpa on Apr 29, 2013 22:21:31 GMT -5
well to heck. go town go. seriously you can't be this stupid two days in a row.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Apr 29, 2013 23:59:01 GMT -5
How do we figure out what's going on, and how we are doing if there's no reveal? Very frustrating.
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Post by Sai on Apr 30, 2013 6:13:31 GMT -5
Well, the gravedigger knows, but s/he's not clear, so even if it WERE a good idea for them to claim (and it's usually not) their information is unreliable.
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Post by sario on Apr 30, 2013 6:24:26 GMT -5
Can we get a confirmation on the status of deadline votes? (Sorry this isn't green, my phone doesn't do color)
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Post by patricia on Apr 30, 2013 7:17:08 GMT -5
I don't like this - no information so each day becomes a blind guess?
I need someone to explain how to vote in color - thanks
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Post by patricia on Apr 30, 2013 7:17:31 GMT -5
I don't like this - no information so each day becomes a blind guess?
I need someone to explain how to vote in color - thanks
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 30, 2013 9:22:43 GMT -5
I finally have a tortured gaming analogy to describe this set up, at least up until HalfTime:
1 part Mafia: We have roles and powers and factions that interplay via defined mechanics.
1 part poker: This is also usually part of general Mafia, but deserves its own category in the context of the next part. We're all eying our mod-delt cards and watching everyone else eye their mod-delt cards.
1 part (adapted) Battleship: Because this is Mafia, our factions' boats are deployed on the board by the Mod we don't get to place them ourselves. Based almost entirely on how the other players are eying their mod-cards and our abilities to gauge eachother's text-based poker faces, each faction collectively throws every shot/power they have at the board at HalfTime, at discretionary coordinates, hoping to sink a few battleships.
I have no idea what analogies are going to apply to post-halftime.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Apr 30, 2013 9:26:47 GMT -5
To format votes, replace { and } with [ and ] in the following:
{b} {color=blue} Vote The Scummiest Scum In The World {/b} {/color} {b} {color=red} Unvote The Scummiest Scum In The World {/b} {/color}
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Post by Pleonast on Apr 30, 2013 9:31:30 GMT -5
and i don't give a rat's ass but one person i will not vote to lynch is pleo. shit, at least he's making comments. I love you too, peeker. But next time, read the rules a little more carefully before jumping in.
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Post by Pleonast on Apr 30, 2013 9:38:55 GMT -5
The no-reveal is totally frustrating. It makes the game all about how the power roles interact and not much about how players assess each other.
It feels like playing monopoly when you can't see where the other players are nor what they own. Yeah, we can win, but it won't be because we played well. With no feedback we can't correct our own reads on other players, nor can we get reads on other players based on their voting record.
And I'm a little annoyed that they sprung the no-reveal rule only after the game started, so it's not like we could've made an informed decision about playing with it or not. I like the general setup, with the Character cards and Types, but the no reveal ruins the game.
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Post by Pleonast on Apr 30, 2013 9:45:54 GMT -5
Do we have enough time to force a CC? If so, Peeker should claim NUN/BISHOP or ACOLYE/PRIEST. You're using weird terms again. What's "CC"? I don't think it's "closed caption" or "crowd control".
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Post by texcat on Apr 30, 2013 10:15:06 GMT -5
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Post by Idle Thoughts on Apr 30, 2013 12:49:26 GMT -5
Sorry for not voting, I was busy with a contest that runs all week (that I'm hosting/running). It goes on for 3 more days...after that, my free time will be back.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Apr 30, 2013 15:50:38 GMT -5
Well I can vouch for you Idle! Fun contest, except your crazy word puzzles that some of us didn't have time to really parse Sad that I'm out of it now, now hurry back here will you!!!! In other news, are we discussing content at night, or is night just fluff?
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Post by Paranoia on Apr 30, 2013 18:33:12 GMT -5
Fluff only, please.
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Post by Sai on Apr 30, 2013 19:30:10 GMT -5
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Post by Sai on Apr 30, 2013 19:34:37 GMT -5
Also, CC is indeed counterclaim.
It can mean one of two things depending on context - 1) Someone claiming to be a role that another player has already claimed to be 2) A situation in which a player claims, to see if anyone else steps up to claim the same role. In this case, forcing a CC means that Peeker would have to claim, and then we'd see if anyone else counterclaims (first definition) him .
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Post by sario on May 1, 2013 6:07:56 GMT -5
Fluffing fluffer
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 1, 2013 7:26:06 GMT -5
Except Sai, you have the know the culture you are playing with.
I've played in environments where people make up a claim, to try and force out the counter claim (real role), but that style doesn't really happen here in my experience. Here it's more of an "if you lie you die" environment. Lying is frowned upon big time.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 1, 2013 7:32:38 GMT -5
I could really go for a Fluffer nutter sandwich
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 1, 2013 9:02:44 GMT -5
i hope the lack of a claim means that peeker is a witch. as for the lack of reveals, it certainly can be frustrating. having played in one before makes it only slightly less frustrating.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 1, 2013 9:54:00 GMT -5
I disagree that lying is frowned upon culturally. It may be the majority opinion, but not by a huge margin and quite a few seasoned players think that a _good_ lie told at the right time can be a boon for Town.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 1, 2013 10:18:21 GMT -5
Cookies, that may be true, and I agree with your take, but as a new player, who was "born here" for lack of a better word. I was appalled when I joined another site and in a game with 1 cop, 1 doc, 3 vanilla town, and 3 scum, there were 2 cop claims on D1, followed by 3 doc claims on D2, etc etc. That culture you don't see here, you don't see Scum purposely out themselves early on to get counter claimed.
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Post by Pleonast on May 1, 2013 10:28:55 GMT -5
Well dangit, how did I miss that? Also, CC is indeed counter claim. It can mean one of two things depending on context - 1) Someone claiming to be a role that another player has already claimed to be 2) A situation in which a player claims, to see if anyone else steps up to claim the same role. In this case, forcing a CC means that Peeker would have to claim, and then we'd see if anyone else counterclaims (first definition) him . Ah, thanks for explaining your abbreviation. I do know what a counterclaim is, but it's always good to get another's perspective on it. I disagree that lying is frowned upon culturally. It may be the majority opinion, but not by a huge margin and quite a few seasoned players think that a _good_ lie told at the right time can be a boon for Town. I agree. My opinion is liars should be lynched, unless they can well justify the lie. Cookies, that may be true, and I agree with your take, but as a new player, who was "born here" for lack of a better word. I was appalled when I joined another site and in a game with 1 cop, 1 doc, 3 vanilla town, and 3 scum, there were 2 cop claims on D1, followed by 3 doc claims on D2, etc etc. That culture you don't see here, you don't see Scum purposely out themselves early on to get counter claimed. It's not that lying is specifically verboten, it's that our mafia culture is very risk-averse. It's why I get so much friction for my playstyle at times, because I sometimes take risks.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 1, 2013 13:47:26 GMT -5
That culture you don't see here, you don't see Scum purposely out themselves early on to get counter claimed. Never say never. I will say that we have the cultural paranoid hive-memory of an elephant, and strategy based on even a single isolated anecdote from past games can live for a long time, or at least until proven by another anecdote to be invalid. Game 1: Scum does something crazy and high risk. Game 4: Town mislynch, citing Game 1 as strategic precedent. Game 7: Town mislynch, citing Game 1 as strategic precedent. Game 9: Town mislynch, citing Game 1 as strategic precedent. Game 11: Town successfully lynches a crazy scum, citing Games 1,4,7,9 as strategic precedent. Games 13-20: A bunch of games go by without any similar circumstances, new anecdotes are born. Game 21: Scum does something crazy and high risk. Rinse and repeat.
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Post by Sai on May 1, 2013 18:28:43 GMT -5
It's not that lying is specifically verboten, it's that our mafia culture is very risk-averse. It's why I get so much friction for my playstyle at times, because I sometimes take risks. We're friends now.
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Post by texcat on May 1, 2013 19:55:52 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed that SilverJan is on the signup list twice?? The first post of D1, shows that she is #15 and #21. SilverJan, did you get 2 roles?
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Post by chocolatepi on May 2, 2013 2:32:47 GMT -5
I've investigated this and discovered that a mistake was made; the signup list I was given contained silverjan's name twice. The script I ran didn't catch it due to different capitalization, and silverjan was given a second assignment.
Luckily, this has very few ramifications. silverjan's second assignment was a Basic Villager, the Survivalist. That player seat is being terminated, with minimal consequence to the game. Because this additional assignment did not give silverjan (nor anyone else) additional information, and because the number of each other player type is the same in a 23 or 24 player game (same number of Witches), nothing has been compromised.
tl;dr: There is now no Survivalist, and one less Basic Villager. silverjan continues playing with her other, first assignment, which is still a complete mystery.
I apologize for the error.
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Post by Silver Jan on May 2, 2013 3:00:44 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed that SilverJan is on the signup list twice?? The first post of D1, shows that she is #15 and #21. SilverJan, did you get 2 roles? I hadn't actually noticed, I only read one role and it wasn't the survivalist. I did mention in the sign up thread that I had signed up twice. I noticed today that I did have the survivalist role but only after I read it here.
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