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Post by chocolatepi on May 18, 2013 20:47:20 GMT -5
Day Four
Colby: I should never have gotten out of bed! Texcat: We need a new target to behead! IdleThoughts: Well if you have information, go right ahead! gnarlycharlie: Witches must be seeing red! mahaloth: Does anyone feel we're being misled? Cookies: Aren't you listening--that's what I said! luariern: Well I can't remember what I've read! Guiri: Who can keep track of this thread? Hal: ProBoards has me seeing red! Pleonast: Tables and lists, you can't embed... Pollux: Can we talk about the game instead?! Wombat: Just what we need, more talking heads! dizzymrslizzy: Is there anything that's been unsaid? sario: Well the ending's spoiled. (It was his sled.) BillMC: Is someone missing, has blood been shed? Ginger: I don't think anything can match my dread! Chocolate Pi: Well incidentally, Scathach is dead!
1. Idle 2. Wombat99 3. luariern 4. BillMC 5. mahaloth 6. dizzymrslizzy 7. sario 8. Pleonast 9. Texcat 10. Colby11 11. JustBeingGinger 12. PolluxOil 13. Guiri 14. Cookies 15. gnarlycharlie 16. Swammerdami 17. Hal Briston
With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch. Day ends in a little over 120 hours at 9:00 PM CDT on May 23th.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 18, 2013 23:07:48 GMT -5
Sorry to see you go Scathach. Thanks for pegging Sai, who I think we can safely infer was indeed in the Coven since they went after you.
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Post by guiri on May 19, 2013 2:27:56 GMT -5
Thanks for stepping in Chocolate Pi!
Farewell Scathach, good work.
Am I missing claims? 1. Idle 2. Wombat99 - MIA 3. LaurieRn - claimed Basix 4. BillMC - claimed Basic 5. mahaloth 6. dizzymrslizzy (1st vote on Peeker) 7. sario 8. Pleonast (2nd vote on Peeker) 9. Texcat (3rd vote on Peeker) 10. Colby11 - claimed Basic Gravedigger 11. JustBeingGinger - requested sub 12. PolluxOil 13. Guiri 14. Cookies - claimed Basic Assasin 15. gnarlycharlie 16. Swammerdami - (5th on Peeker) claimed Basic Investigator 17. Hal Briston - MIA
Departed: 1. Peeker - Elder Summoner 2. silverjan - Basic Survivalist 3. Patricia - Basic 4. SilverJan - Basic Hunter 5. Crys - Basic 6. Sai - Elder 7. Scathach - Holy Priest
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Post by swammerdami on May 19, 2013 5:20:16 GMT -5
Pleonast claimed Expanded (i.e. role is #13 or higher in list). ... Unless you consider that claim too diffuse to bother with.
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Post by texcat on May 19, 2013 17:25:19 GMT -5
Guiri, Why do you have Crys and Patricia listed as Basic? I am assuming that they were town of some description, but do you have reason to believe that they were Basic and not holy or spies? And did Ginger claim non-Basic? And you forgot the Swammer claim that Cookies and Ginger are not spies, and I wonder why he didn't remind you of that instead of me.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 19, 2013 17:45:25 GMT -5
Tex- I believe Patricia and Crys claimed Basic Villager.
I must have missed Swammer's claim that Ginger isn't a spy.
I'm still waiting for Colby to give us the answer to what the others were, since he's just given Peeker's name it's a little bizarre to me that he hasn't finished updating the list of people he knows.
And lastly Guiri, how did you know that Sai was an Elder and not a Jr Witch? I don't think I saw that anywhere else??? I'll have to go back and see if Scathach claimed he was an Elder witch or just in the Coven. I thought it was the latter....
Yeah it was:
It was never confirmed whether Scathach's results were for a Jr or Elder Witch or not.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 19, 2013 17:46:02 GMT -5
And I really wish that Scathach had announced who he had cleared.
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Post by swammerdami on May 19, 2013 17:56:55 GMT -5
It was never confirmed whether Scathach's results were for a Jr or Elder Witch or not. Only Elder Witches are in the coven in the early game. That's why Scathach was reluctant to tell his other result, afraid he might "clear" a Junior Witch. Answering Texcat, I don't think Guiri forgot I found Cookies and Ginger both to be non-Spy. Although he showed both self-claims and Gravedigger claims, I wasn't sure if he wanted to complicate his list.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 19, 2013 18:08:01 GMT -5
My understanding was, Scathach had said he had queried the Mod whether his result were positive for just Elder Witches at this point, or if a JR witch would give a Positive/Negative result (before they joined the coven)
So that meant to me that it was questionable whether Sai was an Elder or a Jr witch, and furthermore it wouldn't have hurt to have Scathach's other result.
If Scathach just gets current coven members aka Elder Witches now....then we can rule out someone as an Elder witch. We know there are 4 Elder witches, we have confirmed that 1 possibly 2 are dead, so there are at most 2 left. So we know that that player isn't an Elder witch, so if we are left at LYLO with 1 Elder witch, and 2 Town and that player was among the final 3 that would have helped.
If Scathach gets a positive result for Jr and Elder Witches, then we can rule out someone as a witch.
It's all moot now, since Scathach is dead, but it was valid information that Town could have possibly used in certain situations.
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Post by texcat on May 19, 2013 19:22:47 GMT -5
My understanding was, Scathach had said he had queried the Mod whether his result were positive for just Elder Witches at this point, or if a JR witch would give a Positive/Negative result (before they joined the coven) So that meant to me that it was questionable whether Sai was an Elder or a Jr witch, and furthermore it wouldn't have hurt to have Scathach's other result. If Scathach just gets current coven members aka Elder Witches now....then we can rule out someone as an Elder witch. We know there are 4 Elder witches, we have confirmed that 1 possibly 2 are dead, so there are at most 2 left. So we know that that player isn't an Elder witch, so if we are left at LYLO with 1 Elder witch, and 2 Town and that player was among the final 3 that would have helped. If Scathach gets a positive result for Jr and Elder Witches, then we can rule out someone as a witch. It's all moot now, since Scathach is dead, but it was valid information that Town could have possibly used in certain situations. And I assume that since Scathach did not tell us more that Sai was an Elder witch. Where were you yesterday with this argument for Scathach revealing her other result? You are correct that it's all moot now and so I wonder why you didn't make this argument Yesterday when it might have done some good.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 19, 2013 19:40:56 GMT -5
Because I was waiting for Scathach to come back and tell us what he found out from the Mod, but that never happened and I wasn't around for EOD to make the argument. I happened to forget about it during the neverending night until I was reminded that we don't know for sure whether Sai was an Elder or not, although that too is moot because Colby can confirm this for us as well at this point.
I was just completing my thought as to why I don't assume anything on whether Sai was an Elder/Jr witch.
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Post by guiri on May 19, 2013 22:17:06 GMT -5
Well, it appears I was missing a claim and some results!
Swammer; sure, we can add in Pleo's expanded set claim.
Texcat, Crys and Patricia both claimed basic villager and since they were night killed, I figured their claim is likely true. Ginger did claim to be non-basic and considering I've included results from Colby, I should also include results from Swammer.
Dizzy, Colby only gets results on the lynchees and has already shared his results on Peeker and SilverJan - we're just pending a result on Sai. Scathach's result on Sai showed he was already a member of the coven and since we've not been told all spies are dead, I'm assuming he must be an elder witch.
I'll repost the claim list after Colby pops in.
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Post by Colby11 on May 20, 2013 0:57:33 GMT -5
Sai was the Elder Witch Entertainer.
I'm surprised that Scathach wasn't protected... Unless the devils and angels countered each other
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Post by Colby11 on May 20, 2013 23:40:28 GMT -5
So, would it be better to take out inactive players if we are unsure about a lynch target? Throwing out a discussion point, since no one has talked...
All day
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Post by guiri on May 21, 2013 6:49:48 GMT -5
1. Idle 2. Wombat99 - MIA 3. LaurieRn - claimed Basic 4. BillMC - claimed Basic 5. mahaloth 6. dizzymrslizzy (1st vote on Peeker) 7. sario 8. Pleonast - claimed expanded (2nd vote on Peeker) 9. Texcat (3rd vote on Peeker) 10. Colby11 - claimed Basic Gravedigger 11. JustBeingGinger - requested sub, claimed non-basic, investigated non-spy by Swammer 12. PolluxOil 13. Guiri 14. Cookies - claimed Basic Assasin, investigated non-spy by Swammer 15. gnarlycharlie 16. Swammerdami - (5th on Peeker) claimed Basic Investigator 17. Hal Briston - MIA
Departed: 1. Peeker - Elder Summoner 2. silverjan - Basic Survivalist 3. Patricia - (Presumed) Basic 4. SilverJan - Basic Hunter 5. Crys - (Presumed) Basic 6. Sai - Elder Entertainer 7. Scathach - Holy Priest As for lynching non-participants, I think I'd rather wait and give the mod a chance to find subs. It's tricky because their non-participation will make it more and more difficult to reach the hammer as we approach mid-game.
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Post by swammerdami on May 21, 2013 6:57:13 GMT -5
Since it takes a majority to Lynch, getting rid of inactives is the only chance to be able to Lynch in future.
Vote: Wombat99
(If, as I fear, it is my own irritability that has put a damper on the game, Lynching me may be the best way to proceed, especially since my role is rather unimportant.)
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Post by Mahaloth on May 21, 2013 8:24:35 GMT -5
I am usually against a lynch-the-lurker kind of thing, but I find myself agreeing with swammerdami. I don't have any particular ill-will against Wombat, but I'm fine with that as a lynch if we can at least get a majority going.
Vote Wombat
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Post by gnarlycharlie on May 21, 2013 8:32:14 GMT -5
Since it takes a majority to Lynch, getting rid of inactives is the only chance to be able to Lynch in future. Vote: Wombat99(If, as I fear, it is my own irritability that has put a damper on the game, Lynching me may be the best way to proceed, especially since my role is rather unimportant.) is that enough for you not to pursue your case against Cookies? i would think that Sai flipping witch might help your case. he praised the choice of the Judge choosing to lynch Silver Jan instead of Cookies. that along with your case makes me think she's a witch. Vote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 21, 2013 11:29:10 GMT -5
I'm agreeing with Gnarly here.
There is a decent case against Cookies, and if people felt inclined to lynch the lurker, wasn't there a possible slip case made yesterDay against Ginger who basically hasn't contributed much at all over the last few days. I think Ginger would make a much better L-T-L case than Wombat who hasn't posted a single thing yet all game.
Remember we already have lynched 2/4 Elder Witches. We have cases against 2 people that could be withces, I'm going to stay there instead of a random shot in the dark. I've been on this case from almost the beginning, so I'm staying there.
Vote ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on May 21, 2013 11:37:22 GMT -5
The case against me is not decent. It is purely circumstantial. There is also a complete black whole of nothing surrounding a lot of people who aren't saying a darn thing and have not requested a sub, and I'm fine with stringing one of them up.
Vote wombat[/color]
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 21, 2013 11:40:41 GMT -5
Okay I think I need to rethink the Ginger Lynch the lurker case after re-reading. The Ginger situation scares me alot.
I really liked Guiri's post:
Aside from this We know: Ginger is not Vanilla (by her words, so assuming that means she's not a basic villager.) Ginger is not a Spy (As confirmed by investigation) So that leaves that she's either a Witch (Elder or Jr) or a Holy.
So I'd like Ginger to claim what she is at this point. If she's not Holy and claims Holy she can be CC'ed. KWIM?
The one part that gives me pause about this whole thing above is that Sai jumped right on the Ginger case as soon as Guiri made it.
Thoughts from the group??
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Post by swammerdami on May 21, 2013 13:03:04 GMT -5
I would be inclined to switch to a Ginger Lynch if others agree. Due to her family accident, she has involuntarily become inactive.
I know some players hate meta-reasoning, but I concocted a possible explanation for the long delay in starting Day 4: Ginger has a critical role, and moderator(s) desperately wanted to find a substitute before proceeding. She could be the last member of the Coven. (OTOH, she could have a critical Holy role.)
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Post by Paranoia on May 21, 2013 13:57:23 GMT -5
I have a working charger again. I'm going to prod all of the non posters and get a votal up in a bit.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 21, 2013 14:31:11 GMT -5
I would be inclined to switch to a Ginger Lynch if others agree. Due to her family accident, she has involuntarily become inactive. I know some players hate meta-reasoning, but I concocted a possible explanation for the long delay in starting Day 4: Ginger has a critical role, and moderator(s) desperately wanted to find a substitute before proceeding. She could be the last member of the Coven. (OTOH, she could have a critical Holy role.) Well the only Holy Role that has any kind of critical component to is is the Bishop, and the Bishop role doesn't really do anything until halftime. So in your example I don't think she's Holy. I also don't buy into your suggestion. I think there was a communication gap between the mods, and that's it.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 21, 2013 16:41:54 GMT -5
Voting for inactive players always seems like too easy of a vote for scum to just throw their vote on (in any mafia game). I'm sticking with my vote and ...vote CometotheDarksidewehavecookies[/color]
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 21, 2013 16:43:12 GMT -5
Sorry for the lack of posts...been busy. Trying to post at least 2-3 times every Day, though. (this doesn't count as one of them )
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on May 21, 2013 17:11:57 GMT -5
Idle.....any thoughts on my Ginger case??
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Post by texcat on May 21, 2013 19:29:21 GMT -5
I would be inclined to switch to a Ginger Lynch if others agree. Due to her family accident, she has involuntarily become inactive. I know some players hate meta-reasoning, but I concocted a possible explanation for the long delay in starting Day 4: Ginger has a critical role, and moderator(s) desperately wanted to find a substitute before proceeding. She could be the last member of the Coven. (OTOH, she could have a critical Holy role.) Well the only Holy Role that has any kind of critical component to is is the Bishop, and the Bishop role doesn't really do anything until halftime. So in your example I don't think she's Holy. I also don't buy into your suggestion. I think there was a communication gap between the mods, and that's it. Dizzy, I think your case on Ginger makes sense. It is essentially the same case that we had on peeker. I am a little hestitant to vote for someone who is not here to claim and might be holy. Swammer's case on Ginger does not make a lick of sense, as you pointed out. I don't think we should let the Judge decide lynches, but I don't want to use that as an excuse to jump on every bandwagon that gets going. I really dislike Swammer's jumping from wagon to wagon. Let's review. First he incorrectly said that the case on SilverJan was nothing more than her having two accounts. Then he jumped on the SilverJan wagon. Then as soon as someone else voted for Cookies, he jumped off and voted for Cookies. Yesterday, he made what I thought was a fairly convincing case that Cookies was a witch, but jumped over to Ginger before jumping over to Sai. Today, he has ignored Cookies who at least we have some intel on and jumped on the Wombat wagon who we know nothing about. And now is willing to jump back over to the Ginger wagon for some metagame reasons that don't even make sense. I don't like it, and his lack of following through on his cases makes me reconsider my opinion of both Cookies and Ginger. Vote: Swammer
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 21, 2013 21:42:52 GMT -5
1. Since Ginger is one of the (now) inactive players, I'm hesitant to vote for her. Like I said above, I feel it's just too easy of a lynch for people to pile onto. If people are inactive they can either be subbed out or--barring that--killed anytime really.
2. I think guessing what her role might be based on those actions is fruitless. It could go either way, as far as I can tell....even if her inaction DID mean "important" role, what is to differentiate between a coven role or a holy role? Seems like the action could point towards either....so again, I think seeking other, active players who are at least giving players something to go on is the way to go.
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Post by Idle Thoughts on May 21, 2013 21:43:28 GMT -5
Forgot 3.
3. I'm also suspicious of Swammer a bit.....so anything he suggests I'm taking with a grain of salt.
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