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Day One
Jul 2, 2013 10:57:32 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 2, 2013 10:57:32 GMT -5
I'm still finding very little meat to sink my teeth into for a vote on day one. However, to avoid the last minute bandwagon pile on vote(which usually leads to a townie lynch) I'm going to vote for Vote: GnarlyCharliefor now if I had a second vote it would be on Dizzymrslizzy both for piling on the bandwagon for the multi voting which I don't see as something a scum would do DAY 1 - I'm not sure that the bread crumbing is townie either but I'm letting that play out for now It's hard to "pile on" a bandwagon when you are the first vote. Colby did throw a voteon Guiri but unvoted in the same post.
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Day One
Jul 2, 2013 11:21:53 GMT -5
Post by Silver Jan on Jul 2, 2013 11:21:53 GMT -5
I am not fond of multi voting but that's just me, I see it as a nice place for scum to hide their votes, of course all their votes won't be correct and that type of thing.
Vote: DizzyMrsLizzy
For saying Town would never place a target on their backs by multi voting in the first post, surely scum would be a lot more careful and not try and draw attention to themselves.
I was quite surprised that so many people jumped on Guiri for that.
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Day One
Jul 2, 2013 11:41:16 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 2, 2013 11:41:16 GMT -5
I'm still finding very little meat to sink my teeth into for a vote on day one. However, to avoid the last minute bandwagon pile on vote(which usually leads to a townie lynch) I'm going to vote for Vote: GnarlyCharliefor now if I had a second vote it would be on Dizzymrslizzy both for piling on the bandwagon for the multi voting which I don't see as something a scum would do DAY 1 - I'm not sure that the bread crumbing is townie either but I'm letting that play out for now It's hard to "pile on" a bandwagon when you are the first vote. Colby did throw a voteon Guiri but unvoted in the same post. Perhaps the bandwagon was not one person, but rather one alignment. Thus, if you had four votes on one alignment, it would become a bandwagon pretty fast. At the point scum is voting for town, they could care less which one it is, but a bandwagon mentality is still present.
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Day One
Jul 2, 2013 11:50:42 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Jul 2, 2013 11:50:42 GMT -5
I do agree that voting well before end of Day is important. I hate the last minute scramble. I don't agree that it is necessary for every player to have a vote on someone at every moment. Me too. I've been victim of that before, as well as a victim of players not playing until the last second(same thing?). At this time, I've decided to Vote: colby11. His posts thus far strike me as someone hiding in plain sight. I agree. vote colby11
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Day One
Jul 2, 2013 12:41:24 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 2, 2013 12:41:24 GMT -5
I do agree that voting well before end of Day is important. I hate the last minute scramble. I don't agree that it is necessary for every player to have a vote on someone at every moment. Me too. I've been victim of that before, as well as a victim of players not playing until the last second(same thing?). At this time, I've decided to Vote: colby11. His posts thus far strike me as someone hiding in plain sight. I agree. vote colby11How am I hiding in plain sight? Color me confused on this one Maybe because I haven't said a lot game wise, except to comment on the size of the game? Then again, I have made a grand total of 4 posts.
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Day One
Jul 2, 2013 13:44:42 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 2, 2013 13:44:42 GMT -5
I am not fond of multi voting but that's just me, I see it as a nice place for scum to hide their votes, of course all their votes won't be correct and that type of thing. Vote: DizzyMrsLizzyFor saying Town would never place a target on their backs by multi voting in the first post, surely scum would be a lot more careful and not try and draw attention to themselves. I was quite surprised that so many people jumped on Guiri for that. You misunderstand me. I think the whole situation was weird. I originally thought, Oh Guiri is just screwing around and placed a multivote on 4 random people for 4 random nonsense reasons, and I dismissed it. It wasn't until He came back and said he was PURPOSELY multivoting for 4 random players. Saying "Present" isn't a Scum or Town tell. Meeko, yeah sure I can see MAYBE voting Meeko for being quiet, although as I said earlier Meekos new MO is Quiet. Random votes really ping me, and I've usually been right that players that Random vote are scum or 3rd party trying to weasel in a vote without having to explain themselves, and just blame the random vote. As a Town player, I wouldn't ever place a random vote on 4 players right off the top without reason. It's way too risky for me, that I now have 4 players that could OMGUS me, and on Day 1 that could become an early wagon. I agree as Scum, I'd also look out for my back, but I've also learned that "Scum would never" means nothing...because there isn't a ploy that Scum wouldn't ever try at least once. That was my point.
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Day One
Jul 2, 2013 13:56:35 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jul 2, 2013 13:56:35 GMT -5
I was beginning to think I was going mad - folk talking about post numbers and voting buttons when I could see neither. Indeed, the board was eating every post I was trying to make -- so i eventually gave in and went for the three fingered salute and rebooted -- I know, not a big thing - tho my works laptop hasnt been rebooted in over 3 months mainly because with all the security/encryption stuff it takes almost 25 minutes to reboot - and lo and behold there are numbers and buttons. Guiri - null tell on his multivote Pleo - same old Pleo - tho it does seem a little out of character that he didn't actually claim town off the bat Meeko - ok, own up - who has replaced Meeko with someone making almost intelligible posts? Paranoia - honest paranoia? always having a vote down has pros and cons - it can make it easy for scum to hide in the fluff of weak "i must have a vote down" votes Ok I see what number 5 was. Pleonast "breadcrumbed" something sort of the way I breadcrumbed myself as the town Undertaker while I was scum in a previous game. Basically he put on big red underpants with lime polka dots and ran around screaming "THIS IS MY BREADCRUMB!!!111one" Which, of course, makes total sense, you want everyone to be able to solve your breadcrumb, particularly the scumbags in the game who might get a whiff of what you are. Fortunately, Pleonast decided to crumb only his character, not his role. tddngasmar is not an anagram of anything. However, it is a simple alphabet substitution cipher, easily solvable with two seconds worth of Googling effort. You substitute out the letters properly and it forms several words, only one of which has anything possibly to do with this game. Woodpecker, as there is a nursery rhyme involving said character. Now, unlike my scummy breadcrumb from the aforementioned game, I don't think Pleo is scum, because breadcrumbing just the name of the character doesn't strike me as a prelude to a false claim. It's actually kind of a useless crumb. But it's an easily solvable crumb, and thankfully, it solves as useless information. The woodpecker could be anything, including vanilla townie. I would caution people not to make their crumbs so obvious, though. OR it could be a smart scum starting his fake claim early. I've seen that before. Well I think this one takes the "no sh*t Sherlock" award since it exactly what Pizza stated he did in the prior game - and then Jaade votes Colby for hiding in plain sight after Jaade makes several stating the obvious posts. At the moment my suspicions are torn between Paranoia and Jaade.
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Day One
Jul 2, 2013 13:58:54 GMT -5
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Post by guiri on Jul 2, 2013 13:58:54 GMT -5
Unvote Vote Dizzy
First you explain your vote for me like this:I originally thought, Oh Guiri is just screwing around and placed a multivote on 4 random people for 4 random nonsense reasons, and I dismissed it. It wasn't until He came back and said he was PURPOSELY multivoting for 4 random players. Saying "Present" isn't a Scum or Town tell. But then you say this:As a Town player, I wouldn't ever place a random vote on 4 players right off the top without reason.
Which is it? I must be scum because a townie would place an early random vote on 4 players? Or I'm scum because I purposely voted 4 players? You can't have both ways, can you?
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Day One
Jul 2, 2013 14:37:19 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 2, 2013 14:37:19 GMT -5
vote Paranoia for explicitly calling out their own honesty. I assume a new vote will automatically cancel any previous one, since we're only allowed one anyway. Why in the world would you assume that, when it's been the case in almost every single game that one must explicitly unvote before voting again? I get it; you dislike being restricted to a single vote. And I'm aware that the Mod didn't explicitly state that multi-voting wasn't allowed before the game started...and I'm also aware now that nowhere in the rules does it explicitly state "you must unvote before you can vote again"... ...but you know that's how it works. That's how it always works, unless explicitly stated otherwise. So why can't you simply play by the same rules as everyone else, without having to make a production out of it?
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Day One
Jul 2, 2013 14:48:25 GMT -5
Post by Suburban Plankton on Jul 2, 2013 14:48:25 GMT -5
'Cause it's haaaard!!!!! I think that's pretty much it. Personally, I don't think multi-voting is intrinsically better or worse that single-voting. It's just one more mechanic that the mod may or may not choose to involve. Since it's a mod decision, it cannot be pro- or anti- Town (or pro- or anti- Scum). It just is, or is not. And on that note, Unvote: guiri Vote: MeekoFor pointing out that multi-voting is not pro-Scum, but then voting based on that reasoning anyway. Can we not define something as being anti-town if it means town wouldn't do it? But then again, anti town and pro scum are not necessarily the same thing.... Where did I point out that multi-voting is not pro-scum again? You know what...you're right. You didn't say that. I was recalling the post that you quoted here, and didn't take the time to check back to make sure I remembered it correctly (which I didn't). I thought you had said that multi-voting was anti-town, but not pro-scum. What you actually said was that multi-voting was anti-town, but that "anti town and pro scum are not necessarily the same thing". So you stopped short of actually saying that multi-voting was not pro-scum, you merely implied that it was not pro-scum, without making a definitive statement one way or the other.
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Day One
Jul 2, 2013 16:34:49 GMT -5
Post by Paranoia on Jul 2, 2013 16:34:49 GMT -5
You know, that post was mostly made from an opinion on ye olde debate so I could move on and do other things, and the honest bit was thrown in as a joke regarding monobear.
Jaade's starting to ping me since she's more focused on debating theory than actually doing anything, add in that she literally voted only after I pointed out what'd be wrong with sitting on your ass with a fairly weak vote with justification that tends to be along those lines of 'this sounds good but what does it mean?' kind of makes me want to swing a vote her way, although SP is still on my list of lynchees because he seems more focused on getting distracted with arguing with meeko than poking at the beehive, so to speak.
Unvote: suburban plankton Vote: Jaade
Heeeey Meeko. What are your actual suspicions? Like, other than focusing on Guiri, who else do you think is scum?
Hey Suburban Plankton. Stop arguing with meeko for a second, Opinions on people would be lovely. You know, suspicions and the like.
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Day One
Jul 2, 2013 17:51:07 GMT -5
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 2, 2013 17:51:07 GMT -5
Voting for four people immediately at the start of a game, for no reason, doesn't ping anyone else? No, not really. YMMV. Seems like you're choosing to ignore Guiri's stated intent (to see how people reacted) and substitute a scummy intent. And that is your prerogative, but I think where you start to loose people is when you don't even allow for other perspectives. That is your perspective. My perspective on some of these early exchanges/votes regading Guiri, is that this could be seen as an opportunistic post: I was, yes. You were being uncharacteristically quiet . See that's a null tell for me, because the last game we played Meeko was almost silent and was Town....
Guiri, I'm not quite getting your play here. It seemed like a lot of random non-reasons to vote for people. Like you were trying too hard to be opportunistic....
I was first going to go off on the others, that I was absolutely sure that you were kidding with your multivote.
Vote: GuiriThe situation to be exploited: Guiri's choice to multi-vote and then the Mod clarifying that multi-voting was not actually allowed + Meeko apparently only being able to see Guiri's play as something scum would do and not something town would do. If a townie Guiri made a little bit of a spectacle of himself, let's call attention to it, and heck, it already comes with a pretty sure built-in vote from Meeko. That would be me paraphrasing what a scummy Dizzy might have been thinking. How can you be so sure? Nothing I've seen in my Mafia career would ever cause me to make such a ham-handed prejudiced statement about my abilities to read my fellow players' minds. It isn't self evident. Some people use votes more liberally than others. That doesn't make them scum. If ever there was an apples to oranges comparison. A Day 1 vote, even a multi-vote in a game that actually allows them, is about the furthest thing from a Vig power that can be used 4 times simultaneously as you can possibly get. Votes are pretty much worthless if they don't convince other people to vote accordingly. And sometimes the worth of a vote is less about contributing toward the outcome of who got lynched that day and more as a data point about the voter. I know you're at least in agreement on that that part, as you seem to think Guiri has just tatoo'd 'I ARE SCUMMER' across his chest. I don't think that has clearly been demonstrated at all. I'll be going with my gut read on Dizzy's opportunistic statement about opportunistic voting. Vote Dizzy
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Day One
Jul 2, 2013 18:12:04 GMT -5
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Post by Jaade on Jul 2, 2013 18:12:04 GMT -5
Me too. I've been victim of that before, as well as a victim of players not playing until the last second(same thing?). I agree. vote colby11How am I hiding in plain sight? Color me confused on this one Maybe because I haven't said a lot game wise, except to comment on the size of the game? Then again, I have made a grand total of 4 posts. Yes, that's it. But it was 5 posts at the time. Not the worst thing ever, but what pinged me the most out of everyone. I haven't ever seen multi-voting before, so I don't have a read on that.
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Post by Colby11 on Jul 3, 2013 0:41:59 GMT -5
How am I hiding in plain sight? Color me confused on this one Maybe because I haven't said a lot game wise, except to comment on the size of the game? Then again, I have made a grand total of 4 posts. Yes, that's it. But it was 5 posts at the time. Not the worst thing ever, but what pinged me the most out of everyone. I haven't ever seen multi-voting before, so I don't have a read on that. Multivoting is tricky, simply because you can cast your net in so many directions. I think Pleonast's Conspiracy game was multivote.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jul 3, 2013 2:58:22 GMT -5
I assume a new vote will automatically cancel any previous one, since we're only allowed one anyway. No, it doesn't. As already shown.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jul 3, 2013 3:12:29 GMT -5
Day 1 Vote Count:
guiri (3): colby (#2-#2), dizzymrslizzy (#19), meeko (#26), Suburban Plankton (#36-#46), gnarlycharlie (#38) gnarlycharlie (3): AskThePizzaGuy (#49), colby11 (#61), patricia (#82) dizzymrslizzy(3): texcat (#5-#16), silverjan (#91), guiri (#97), DarkCookies (#101)
colby (2): Jaade (#79), Mahaloth (#93)
Suburban Plankton (1): guiri (#1-#97), Pleonast (#39), paranoia (#74-#100) jaade (1): texcat (#16-#40), paranoia (#100) Meeko (1): Suburban Plankton (#46) paranoia (1): texcat (#86)
Not Voted: BillMc
With these votes, as of post 104, guiri will be lynched
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Post by Silver Jan on Jul 3, 2013 5:42:15 GMT -5
I am not fond of multi voting but that's just me, I see it as a nice place for scum to hide their votes, of course all their votes won't be correct and that type of thing. Vote: DizzyMrsLizzyFor saying Town would never place a target on their backs by multi voting in the first post, surely scum would be a lot more careful and not try and draw attention to themselves. I was quite surprised that so many people jumped on Guiri for that. You misunderstand me. I think the whole situation was weird. I originally thought, Oh Guiri is just screwing around and placed a multivote on 4 random people for 4 random nonsense reasons, and I dismissed it. It wasn't until He came back and said he was PURPOSELY multivoting for 4 random players. Saying "Present" isn't a Scum or Town tell. Meeko, yeah sure I can see MAYBE voting Meeko for being quiet, although as I said earlier Meekos new MO is Quiet. Random votes really ping me, and I've usually been right that players that Random vote are scum or 3rd party trying to weasel in a vote without having to explain themselves, and just blame the random vote. As a Town player, I wouldn't ever place a random vote on 4 players right off the top without reason. It's way too risky for me, that I now have 4 players that could OMGUS me, and on Day 1 that could become an early wagon. I agree as Scum, I'd also look out for my back, but I've also learned that "Scum would never" means nothing...because there isn't a ploy that Scum wouldn't ever try at least once. That was my point. I am sure I didn't misunderstand you, in fact you have stated again that you as Town would never place random votes on players right off the bat, fair enough but then why would a scum guiri do it, what is his scummy motivation? You could be right and I just don't understand your argument. Guiri could be thinking that "scum never do that" and I wouldn't actually put it past him, he has fooled me too many times so perhaps he is scum.
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Post by Meeko on Jul 3, 2013 9:23:43 GMT -5
Saying "Present" isn't a Scum or Town tell. Meeko, yeah sure I can see MAYBE voting Meeko for being quiet, although as I said earlier Meekos new MO is Quiet. Random votes really ping me, and I've usually been right that players that Random vote are scum or 3rd party trying to weasel in a vote without having to explain themselves, and just blame the random vote. As a Town player, I wouldn't ever place a random vote on 4 players right off the top without reason. It's way too risky for me, that I now have 4 players that could OMGUS me, and on Day 1 that could become an early wagon. I agree as Scum, I'd also look out for my back, but I've also learned that "Scum would never" means nothing...because there isn't a ploy that Scum wouldn't ever try at least once. That was my point. Mostly " THIS. " but I want to hit a few things Does Guiri voting for me equal a "third hand ping" by you? Would you be pinged if you were me, by Guiri's vote for me? My MO is quiet? Someone forgot to tell me this. Are you basing this assumption off of the last game I played, or this one? - One item I wanted to mention, that I forgot I forgot about -- the entire "Grudge" concept. Opening votes, first post votes especially typically side more towards grudge holding efforts than anything else. It is very hard to divorce the grudge vote from first post voting. Regardless of the words used with the voting, timing must trump when looking at first post voting. The issue I have, [in addition to these that dizzy brings up] is the grudge voting in effect votes I think we have for this game, in Guiri's first post votes. I would like to think first post voting is a one off, until then, I'm not comfortable calling it a policy vote......
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Post by guiri on Jul 3, 2013 9:30:30 GMT -5
I do not hold a grudge against you. I can't even think of a reason why I'd ever have held a grudge against you. You could make the case that I was upset with mahaloth in the last game but I did vote him for that.
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Post by guiri on Jul 3, 2013 9:31:09 GMT -5
Silly phone. Did not, I did not vote him for that...
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Post by Meeko on Jul 3, 2013 9:33:56 GMT -5
vote Paranoia for explicitly calling out their own honesty. I assume a new vote will automatically cancel any previous one, since we're only allowed one anyway. Why in the world would you assume that, when it's been the case in almost every single game that one must explicitly unvote before voting again? I get it; you dislike being restricted to a single vote. And I'm aware that the Mod didn't explicitly state that multi-voting wasn't allowed before the game started...and I'm also aware now that nowhere in the rules does it explicitly state "you must unvote before you can vote again"... ...but you know that's how it works. That's how it always works, unless explicitly stated otherwise. So why can't you simply play by the same rules as everyone else, without having to make a production out of it? FWIW I believe Pleonast has been In other (more advanced) games that did allow unvote via vote switching. We had one in recent memory that I even played in. I'm glad I'm not the mod for such games, but there you go. Why can't Meeko "make sense" ? Would be an easier question to ask. For Meeko as for Pleonast I think most of it is too ingrained into the player, that it transcends role. Pleonast might be like Peeker, and choosing to turn up irritation, and be doing this all on purpose. At that point I would be more confused than you as to MO. To be clear mine just is. If I could find the controls, I would probably dial mine down, or more correctly turn it off. What I wouldn't give, to at times, turn mine off. --oh sorry, I thought you were my therapist there for a second.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 3, 2013 9:35:12 GMT -5
Jan,
I don't know why ANYONE would do it. I fully agree with you that it's a ballsy move if he's scum as well as if he was town. My issue is why hasn't Guiri hasn't come back to explain himself more of why he right out of the bat votes 4 people with no explanation it makes me feel uncomfortable.
I would have taken off my vote if Guiri had come back and said well okay I'm going to unvote this person or that person because I no longer think they are scum....but all he's done is unvoted the masses and placed an OMGUS vote on me.
I'm not trying to be opportunistic. It's Day 1, and Guiri's flinch and OMGUS vote is enough of a Day 1 reason for me to keep my vote on him.
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Post by guiri on Jul 3, 2013 9:37:36 GMT -5
What explanation are you looking for from me? How is my vote on you omgus?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 3, 2013 9:37:40 GMT -5
Meeko- You in the most recent game we played together were VERY quiet and you were Town. That's what I based that comment on. The last game if you had 15 posts before the last day that would have been a lot.
I've seen two sides of you being town. The Meeko vs Pleo Townie, and the quiet not saying a word Townie. So you being quieter than normal is a null tell to me.
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Post by Meeko on Jul 3, 2013 9:47:31 GMT -5
Where did I point out that multi-voting is not pro-scum again? You know what...you're right. You didn't say that. I was recalling the post that you quoted here, and didn't take the time to check back to make sure I remembered it correctly (which I didn't). I thought you had said that multi-voting was anti-town, but not pro-scum. What you actually said was that multi-voting was anti-town, but that "anti town and pro scum are not necessarily the same thing". So you stopped short of actually saying that multi-voting was not pro-scum, you merely implied that it was not pro-scum, without making a definitive statement one way or the other. A smudge is a smudge is a smudge.
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Post by Meeko on Jul 3, 2013 9:49:47 GMT -5
You know, that post was mostly made from an opinion on ye olde debate so I could move on and do other things, and the honest bit was thrown in as a joke regarding monobear. Jaade's starting to ping me since she's more focused on debating theory than actually doing anything, add in that she literally voted only after I pointed out what'd be wrong with sitting on your ass with a fairly weak vote with justification that tends to be along those lines of 'this sounds good but what does it mean?' kind of makes me want to swing a vote her way, although SP is still on my list of lynchees because he seems more focused on getting distracted with arguing with meeko than poking at the beehive, so to speak. Unvote: suburban plankton Vote: JaadeHeeeey Meeko. What are your actual suspicions? Like, other than focusing on Guiri, who else do you think is scum? Hey Suburban Plankton. Stop arguing with meeko for a second, Opinions on people would be lovely. You know, suspicions and the like. To be honest I've been to caught up in defending my vote, above and beyond the effort I thought I needed to give it. To that end, I haven't looked elsewhere. I'm still comfortable with my vote today.
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Post by Meeko on Jul 3, 2013 9:53:56 GMT -5
Voting for four people immediately at the start of a game, for no reason, doesn't ping anyone else? No, not really. YMMV. Seems like you're choosing to ignore Guiri's stated intent (to see how people reacted) and substitute a scummy intent. And that is your prerogative, but I think where you start to loose people is when you don't even allow for other perspectives. That is your perspective. My perspective on some of these early exchanges/votes regading Guiri, is that this could be seen as an opportunistic post: See that's a null tell for me, because the last game we played Meeko was almost silent and was Town....
Guiri, I'm not quite getting your play here. It seemed like a lot of random non-reasons to vote for people. Like you were trying too hard to be opportunistic....
I was first going to go off on the others, that I was absolutely sure that you were kidding with your multivote.
Vote: GuiriThe situation to be exploited: Guiri's choice to multi-vote and then the Mod clarifying that multi-voting was not actually allowed + Meeko apparently only being able to see Guiri's play as something scum would do and not something town would do. If a townie Guiri made a little bit of a spectacle of himself, let's call attention to it, and heck, it already comes with a pretty sure built-in vote from Meeko. That would be me paraphrasing what a scummy Dizzy might have been thinking. How can you be so sure? Nothing I've seen in my Mafia career would ever cause me to make such a ham-handed prejudiced statement about my abilities to read my fellow players' minds. It isn't self evident. Some people use votes more liberally than others. That doesn't make them scum. If ever there was an apples to oranges comparison. A Day 1 vote, even a multi-vote in a game that actually allows them, is about the furthest thing from a Vig power that can be used 4 times simultaneously as you can possibly get. Votes are pretty much worthless if they don't convince other people to vote accordingly. And sometimes the worth of a vote is less about contributing toward the outcome of who got lynched that day and more as a data point about the voter. I know you're at least in agreement on that that part, as you seem to think Guiri has just tatoo'd 'I ARE SCUMMER' across his chest. I don't think that has clearly been demonstrated at all. I'll be going with my gut read on Dizzy's opportunistic statement about opportunistic voting. Vote DizzyAll of this boils down for me Cookies, when did we start taking players at their words OVER their actions? I could care less for the words Guiri has given. The moment town relies exclusively on a players words over their actions (votes and powers) is the moment they lose. Or do I have this wrong?
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Day One
Jul 3, 2013 10:05:27 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 3, 2013 10:05:27 GMT -5
Meeko- You in the most recent game we played together were VERY quiet and you were Town. That's what I based that comment on. The last game if you had 15 posts before the last day that would have been a lot. I've seen two sides of you being town. The Meeko vs Pleo Townie, and the quiet not saying a word Townie. So you being quieter than normal is a null tell to me. I'm being quieter than normal? What do you base that on? First off, I wasn't quieter than normal, Guiri was basing that on the night 0 thread. I wasn't aware there were requirements beyond ""confirmed"" for the nght 0 thread. If so, Pleonast would be in more trouble than me here. I've been trying to think how long the last game ii was in, was. IIRC it was during my cruise and move into my new place. I was away from the Internet at those times. Believe me, Meeko and quiet are incompatible terms. The only way I can stay quiet is if duct tape is in the equation.
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Day One
Jul 3, 2013 10:34:30 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 3, 2013 10:34:30 GMT -5
In the LAST game we played together, I think Pleo's Angel/Devil game, you barely said a word. THAT's all I was commenting on. Beginning and end. And you said you were purposefully being quiet, not because you were away or whatever you are claiming now.
All I remember was you being annoyingly quiet that it stuck in my head.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 3, 2013 11:24:21 GMT -5
Meeko, where you apparently see fire I don't even see smoke. That isn't the same thing as trusting everything that Guiri says as gospel.
But dismissing everything he says in the entire game as scummy lies, I believe, is statistically unlikely to be a good strategy.
If you really think you have spotted a scum in their first post, then you can run with that ball as far as you feel like running with it. But I am going to let that koolaid age a bit. In the fullness of time maybe things will change and I'll be more inclined to sip.
I believe I may be voting for Dizzy based on her first post of the game too, but I am certainly not convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that she is scum and I am not assuming that everything she says is a scummy lie. That is just one possible layer of the onion.
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