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Day Two
Jul 12, 2013 1:23:04 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 12, 2013 1:23:04 GMT -5
And a closer side-by side comparison.
Incy Wincy Spider climbing up the spout
Down came the rain and washed the spider out.
NAME: Incy Wincy Spider
SIDE: Duke of York
ROLE: Detective
WIN CONDITION: All threats to the Duke of York's side have been removed.
BACKGROUND:
You're nothing like your cousin who kept frightening Miss Muffet. Beside going up and down the water spout, you spend your time spinning webs and keeping an eye out for dangers. Since you have several eyes, you're a natural at it.
POWERS:
1. As a houseguest of the Grand Old Duke, you keep watch as best you can. Each Night you may try to learn the loyalty of one target.
2. If someone tries to squash you, you have a 50% chance of poisoning your killer, who will then die in two Days.
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Lucy Locket lost her pocket,
Kitty Fisher found it.
NAME: Kitty Fisher
SIDE: Duke of York
ROLE: Detective
WIN CONDITION: All threats to the Duke of York's side have been removed.
BACKGROUND:
You were always noticing and finding things. It's a talent and also good for spotting things which shouldn't be. Like which uniforms all the people are wearing, although the mud makes it difficult, if anyone can do it, its you.
POWERS:
1. During the Night, you can select one person to have a closer look at and determine what side they are on. Send a PM naming the person and your result will be returned at Dawn.
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Day Two
Jul 12, 2013 3:19:16 GMT -5
Post by CatInASuit on Jul 12, 2013 3:19:16 GMT -5
Day 2 Vote Count:
GnarlyCharlie(4): AskThePizzaGuy (#55), texcat (#106), meeko (#130), colby (#133)
AskThePizzaGuy(3): BillMc (#51), GnarlyCharlie (#74), Suburban Plankton (#142)
Suburban Plankton(2): Pleonast (#45), Cookies (#104)
Pleonast(1): Mahaloth (#24)
Cookies(0): meeko (#6-#130)
BillMc(0): AskThePizzaGuy (#8-#55)
DizzyMrsLizzy(0): colby (#37-#133)
Colby(0): GnarlyCharlie (#43-#74)
Not Voted: Jaade, patricia, DizzyMrsLizzy
With these votes, as of post 150, GnarlyCharlie will be lynched
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Day Two
Jul 12, 2013 9:53:38 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jul 12, 2013 9:53:38 GMT -5
I can be voting for one of them, and putting FOS on the other because I am town. Is there a reason you would question this? Does your current alignment cloud your judgement here? There is a reason I am voting gnarly, THEN fossing Pizza. What is the town motivation to lynch a claimed cop, and only FOS his primary* target? what is your motivation (personally) Suburban to do the same? It is extremely backward. ---- So if you've voting to lynch gnarly, then you must think Pizza is the Town Cop...so why the suspicion? I do? I realize that anything is possible, but it's near certain that one of the two is Town, and the other is Scum Why didn't you suggest that both are scum? Do you have motivation not to suggest this? ---- *assuming he's telling the truth, etc etc etc. This post is very hard to parse. You sound like Gollum and Smeagol. There is a reason I am voting gnarly, THEN fossing Pizza. Can you please tell us explicitly what your reason is? At this point, Pizza and Plankton are the scum on my pond of suspicion. Where are you? You haven't posted since before pizzaguy's claim. Please move your vote from pizzaguy to Suburban. Ideally, we will lynch Suburban ToDay and use the results from ToNight's actions to decide between pizzaguy and charlie. |
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Day Two
Jul 12, 2013 15:49:11 GMT -5
Post by Pleonast on Jul 12, 2013 15:49:11 GMT -5
Day 2 Vote Count:GnarlyCharlie(4): AskThePizzaGuy (#55), texcat (#106), meeko (#130), colby (#133) AskThePizzaGuy(3): BillMc (#51), GnarlyCharlie (#74), Suburban Plankton (#142) Suburban Plankton(2): Pleonast (#45), Cookies (#104) Pleonast(1): Mahaloth (#24) Cookies(0): meeko (#6-#130)BillMc(0): AskThePizzaGuy (#8-#55)DizzyMrsLizzy(0): colby (#37-#133)Colby(0): GnarlyCharlie (#43-#74)Not Voted: Jaade, patricia, DizzyMrsLizzy With these votes, as of post 150, GnarlyCharlie will be lynched So the following players have no current vote: Jaade, patricia, dizzymrslizzy. And these players have not posted since pizzaguy claimed in Post 70: Jaade, BillMc. The lack of participation of these four players makes me rather suspicious of them. Several other players have low participation. |
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Day Two
Jul 13, 2013 1:22:06 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 13, 2013 1:22:06 GMT -5
I agree that lynching one of Pizza or gnarly is the right move. For me personally, it feels like Pizza is being truthful, plus gnarly has seemed to be a bit defensive.
The one thing about Pizza's claim that I don't necessarily buy is the "spider venom", so to speak. (Or the revengeful killer)
I think tonight's flip is very important. Very important indeed.
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Day Two
Jul 13, 2013 2:40:09 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 13, 2013 2:40:09 GMT -5
I agree that lynching one of Pizza or gnarly is the right move. For me personally, it feels like Pizza is being truthful, plus gnarly has seemed to be a bit defensive. The one thing about Pizza's claim that I don't necessarily buy is the "spider venom", so to speak. (Or the revengeful killer) I think tonight's flip is very important. Very important indeed. Compare to Val Salva's reaction when I counterclaimed her as the town Doctor in that previous game. Val wasn't the slightest bit perturbed, because she knew I was scum, and that I would be found out as such regardless of the outcome of any given round. Gnarly has shut down completely and has focused all his attention on me. From a townie point of view, even if gnarly knew I was scum, there are still other scumbags to hunt. Why he has stopped doing so should indicate, to the rest of you, that after he flips scum, he does not want his own accusations or votes to be used against his teammates to soft-clear townies or to make his teammates look more suspicious. That he has given up on offense, which is town's only method of winning, and focusing on defense, tells you he has too much at stake this round. This is the round it makes any difference for him. Tonight, it will no longer matter, one way or the other. I already know this, but for those of you on the fence, there is a real, significant difference between his current play, his town play, and how much the outcome of the round should affect him in particular if he were townie. He claims he's being blocked. So he's not missing out on any detective results. He's as useful as a vanilla townie, as such. But it matters a lot to him because after he dies, flips scum, it's possible town will protect me at night with a doctor, allowing me a chance to gain further scan results. A townie gnarly would never react like this. In fact, I have never once seen gnarlycharlie lose his cool.... ever. Until today. |
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Day Two
Jul 13, 2013 7:17:36 GMT -5
Post by patricia on Jul 13, 2013 7:17:36 GMT -5
Seem we are going for either pizza or Charlie today - so my vote this day is simple wash rinse repeat
Vote: Gnarlycharlie
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Day Two
Jul 13, 2013 7:38:13 GMT -5
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 13, 2013 7:38:13 GMT -5
I'm a bit concerned with Pleo, Maha, and cookies making obvious one off votes so they don't have to take responsibility for how this all goes down.
Voting the claim/counterclaim is the only logical move here.... We can talk about Suburban all day tomorrow if you want.
Anyway back to the matter at hand. Patricia makes a good point about the PM discrepancies. Pizzas looks more authentic to the color with his 'you will find out the loyalty of your scan' bit
Gnarly has been ultra defensive even before he had reason to be.
Vote: gnarlycharlie
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Day Two
Jul 13, 2013 9:38:36 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Jul 13, 2013 9:38:36 GMT -5
I'm a bit concerned with Pleo, Maha, and cookies making obvious one off votes so they don't have to take responsibility for how this all goes down. No, and I still think Pleonast is scum in this game. Take responsibility for how this all goes down? What do you want me to do? Vote for one of the vote leaders so that I play a role in actual lynch? I have no idea whether to believe gnarly or pizza, so it would be a coin toss for me. And I'm not going to toss that coin. I'm leaving my vote where it is. |
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Jul 13, 2013 13:47:23 GMT -5
I think the better play is to wait to make a hopefully better informed decision. I am voting with that opinion in mind and have already said that I think Pizza is the more likely Town Cop. Feel free to hold me to that as if it were a vote.
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Day Two
Jul 14, 2013 1:15:56 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 14, 2013 1:15:56 GMT -5
I am continually surprised by the inability to parse my posts. I thought my post left absolutely no doubt that my result on gnarlycharlie was Knave of Hearts. I'd appreciate any attempt to understand me. It's exhausting having to repeat things I've already revealed, quite adequately in my opinion. The full text of my result was: gnarlycharlie is loyal to the Knave of Hearts. I could wrap quote tags around that if that would be in any way impressive. I don't feel the need to dress it up. There was the "if scum have a godfather,gnarly is not that person" Which was kinda around your elbow to find your ass, if you ask me. And we also have pizza talking about lying and deceiving. -- yes, I know it's Shakespeare but it still sticks out like a sore second thumb on the hand. I think I can better the plan I believe to be in effect. Unvote: COOKIES Vote: GNARLYFOS PIZZAI am willing to make a vote on gnarly now. If we are wrong on this, Then I will be willing to vote Pizza. *sighs* will anyone take it against me if i don't respond to this vote? And just how long to you propose to let them live? Pleo suggests that we lynch someone tomorrow, but your argument seems to be that we let them both live and giving us results. What do you propose that we do with the results? We have results from Pizza, but you don't seem to want to act on them. Yeah, I think we should only give one Night for a killer to eliminate gnarly. If no one gets the job done, we have to do it ourselves. But note that giving someone a chance to kill the revealed scum is acting on the information pizzaguy gave us. It's a delayed action. who is them? if you are referring to me, would it be so unusual for scum not to NK me while i can be blocked? it would be easier to let town waste a lynch on me, yes? also i might actually be watched or, God forbid, be protected by someone who believes me. Are you arguing for your own lynch here? There's a claimed investigator who says your alignment is "Knave of Hearts". This means you have to die, sooner or later. I think allowing a killer eliminate you ToNight is more helpful to town than lynching you ToDay. If you are not dead on Day Three, then given that no one managed to kill you, we will have to lynch you. ah go after anyone you perceive is defending me. i guess you could be bussing too. but toDay is not the day for that. at least for me. No, I'm going after Plankton because of their vote on Day One. I won't go after anyone for defending you until we know your alignment for certain. what i think happened was that Pizza was planning to claim the insane cop after the real one was killed. he floated the idea earlier that he could be insane. this is to lay the foundation for when i flip Town. he will beg forgiveness and say he is insane. the fact that he mentions this contradicts his certainty i'm scum. how can he be sure of his results if even he says that he might be insane and would be vewy vewy confused. aw, poor Pizza. Quite simply, if your alignment turns out to be anything other than "Knave of Hearts", pizzaguy has to die. There's no indication in their role claim PM of any sort of unreliability. Lying of that sort requires lynching. obviously, i'm not advocating my own lynch. i'm just stating reasons why i wouldn't be dead right away if i survive this Day. at any rate, who were the "them" you were referring to? can you reply to my posts about my suspicions of Pizza's PM? gnarly seems insistent that neither he or myself will die tonight. I am betting the scum have a doctor. In fact, I think that between the two of us, I'm the one that is going to die tonight. And even if I don't, then we will be going through this same exercise tomorrow, only with more dead townies. Pleonast, I'm recommending his lynch today. I don't want to waste any further time with scum doctors possibly on the board. IMO he should have died yesterday when we had the chance. Then we would have one dead scum already, and one less dead town. i din't say i was sure. i gave reasons why i might survive the Night if i'm not lynched. twisting my words, scum. Fine, lets wrap it up Unvote: Dizzymrslizzy Vote: Gnarlycharliethis made me want to say "feck you." oh, ijst did. what's to wrap up? not even a reason? i hope you're scum not lazy town. this will bite you in the ass. I wish I understood how to quote two different post in the same post - so someone/anyone who can please post both Pizza and Charlie claim together. Then if you look at the wording and your own PM you can see clearly that one is edited. On a side note Pizza's PM said he would learn the loyalty of "filling in the blank here" to which he later posted his results which are in line with the PM when he said "fill in the blank is loyal to ... you get my point even if you can't quote them, state the difference or state who you think is scum between the two of us. this statement makes you either scum or lazy town too. I agree that lynching one of Pizza or gnarly is the right move. For me personally, it feels like Pizza is being truthful, plus gnarly has seemed to be a bit defensive. The one thing about Pizza's claim that I don't necessarily buy is the "spider venom", so to speak. (Or the revengeful killer) I think tonight's flip is very important. Very important indeed. why is it the right move? why us it VERY important not just important? you don't buy the venom claim but still vote for me? you think Pizza is lying and still vote for me? feck again! I agree that lynching one of Pizza or gnarly is the right move. For me personally, it feels like Pizza is being truthful, plus gnarly has seemed to be a bit defensive. The one thing about Pizza's claim that I don't necessarily buy is the "spider venom", so to speak. (Or the revengeful killer) I think tonight's flip is very important. Very important indeed. Compare to Val Salva's reaction when I counterclaimed her as the town Doctor in that previous game. Val wasn't the slightest bit perturbed, because she knew I was scum, and that I would be found out as such regardless of the outcome of any given round. Gnarly has shut down completely and has focused all his attention on me. From a townie point of view, even if gnarly knew I was scum, there are still other scumbags to hunt. Why he has stopped doing so should indicate, to the rest of you, that after he flips scum, he does not want his own accusations or votes to be used against his teammates to soft-clear townies or to make his teammates look more suspicious. That he has given up on offense, which is town's only method of winning, and focusing on defense, tells you he has too much at stake this round. This is the round it makes any difference for him. Tonight, it will no longer matter, one way or the other. I already know this, but for those of you on the fence, there is a real, significant difference between his current play, his town play, and how much the outcome of the round should affect him in particular if he were townie. He claims he's being blocked. So he's not missing out on any detective results. He's as useful as a vanilla townie, as such. But it matters a lot to him because after he dies, flips scum, it's possible town will protect me at night with a doctor, allowing me a chance to gain further scan results. A townie gnarly would never react like this. In fact, I have never once seen gnarlycharlie lose his cool.... ever. Until today. i'm not Val Salva and i have lost my cool before, several times. you weren't around yet. i even ended up voting myself those times. i've become more controlled, trying to emulate the chill surfer attitude. i have not given up on offense. i'm on the offense against YOU. just because your the main accuser, it doesn't mean i'm on the defense. i'm preparing special offense just for you. |
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Day Two
Jul 14, 2013 1:20:19 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 14, 2013 1:20:19 GMT -5
Seem we are going for either pizza or Charlie today - so my vote this day is simple wash rinse repeat Vote: Gnarlycharlierepeating a vote for when you had no reason on D1. still no comment on what discrepancy you saw in the two PMs. I'm a bit concerned with Pleo, Maha, and cookies making obvious one off votes so they don't have to take responsibility for how this all goes down. Voting the claim/counterclaim is the only logical move here.... We can talk about Suburban all day tomorrow if you want. Anyway back to the matter at hand. Patricia makes a good point about the PM discrepancies. Pizzas looks more authentic to the color with his 'you will find out the loyalty of your scan' bit Gnarly has been ultra defensive even before he had reason to be. Vote: gnarlycharliedefensiveness is bad? you've never been defensive? see my next post about authenticity of post. |
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Day Two
Jul 14, 2013 1:26:49 GMT -5
Post by gnarlycharlie on Jul 14, 2013 1:26:49 GMT -5
i will try to make my arguments clearer to understand. maybe a change in format will help.
reasons i am town:
1. i said i didn't have a result rather than having a result. it would have been easier to say Idle Thoughts is Town or CatinaSuit is Scum to prove my claim.
2. i told others not to say whether their PMs were similar to mine. this may make it easier for scum to find Town's power roles.
reasons AskthePizzaGuy is scum:
1. he claimed DETECTIVE.
confused? i don't mean that he counterclaimed me although i will touch on that later. you see, i claimed Detective, not cop nor investigator. i didn't claim spy or sheriff which, with the flavor, the mod may have used. now they might have the same abilities but they are different names. how would i as scum know that Pizza was a
detective too? do you think i made a very lucky guess? you might argue that the mod gave cover roles. however the mod didn't do so in his previous game, Wedlock. i
argue that he didn't this game either.
2. Pizza's second power is obviously fake.
a. the power is ambiguous
what does it mean to get squashed? does this mean anyone who tries to NK him? or the last who voted tp lynch him? what about targeting him would some other power? it is VERY unclear. i really don't see an experienced mod such as ours do this.
b. the power is useful as a deterrent only if it is known.
most players wouldn't post their powers unless pressured to do so. this is a useful extra power, sure, but only minimally. you have to let people know you have that power for it to scare away players who would want to target you, especially kill you. i believe that Pizza added this so he could defend why he was still alive later
in the game. he would say scum would be hesitant to kill him.
3. he claimed that he might be an insane cop but it is still very sure about his belief i am scum.
he has to say this in case i am lynched or killed before him. he needs to float this idea so can justify his wrong result and get away with it. he will then say all his reads are reversed. the problem with stating the possibility he's insane is that it doesn't explain why he is totally convinced i'm scum. he only offers the
statement that he would be very confused. that's hilarious after he just gave a possibility why his result was wrong.
4. he delayed his counterclaim
if someone claimed cop and i was Town's version, i would have counterclaimed. perhaps i would have done it with 24 hours left in the Day as not to derail discussion just as i do when i have a scum result as a cop. one can argue that he needed a Night to investigate and what have you. okay so why didn't he announce his result right
away? but gnarly, you said it was good to delay the result. yes, but he didn't wait long either. when it appeared to him that i wasn't getting heat, he claimed. this wait and see doesn't seem very Pizza. he even asked others if their PMs had also just a #1.
5. the text of his result seems off.
call this a gut feel more than anything. as a Town detective, i believe a "gnarlycharlie is not loyal to the Duke of York" would be better as this takes a town perspective.
i will continue to defend myself and attack Pizza. to my lazy voters, here's a very substantial post. put holes through it and you can use that to justify your vote. otherwise, you're just full of it.
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Day Two
Jul 14, 2013 4:53:47 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 14, 2013 4:53:47 GMT -5
If you say you have a result, it has to be a true result, or the person will call BS on it. That's the problem with fake detective claims. You either have to clear a townie, or throw a fellow scum under the bus, or point at your fellow scum and hope they don't look scummy after you die and flip scum, after you said they were townie. It's to the mafia's advantage not to reveal a result, because there's nothing to trap you with. Just claim to have been roleblocked.
Your other argument in your defense is even worse.
You continue to erroneously insist that you had to "know" I was a detective to claim detective and get me to counterlcaim you.
How does that begin to make any sense logically?
Claim detective, and the person who IS the detective will reveal themselves. You need no prior knowledge.
Is the effort of lying making you forget how to construct a plausible chronological order?
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Day Two
Jul 14, 2013 5:02:05 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 14, 2013 5:02:05 GMT -5
Further, if I'm mafia, I'm not even an actual detective. I still don't understand what point you're trying to make.
How would you need to know I'm the detective if I'm not one?
Is anyone else getting this? Or did BillMc claim mason again and I just didn't see it at all?
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Day Two
Jul 14, 2013 8:14:59 GMT -5
Post by patricia on Jul 14, 2013 8:14:59 GMT -5
Charlie,
Sorry you feel I'm being lazy - but you have made it so easy for me to feel good about my vote again today. Just to make you feel like your long and I'm sure a post you worked very hard at was read, My vote is based on the same thing as yesterday's vote and the same reason I'm again spelling out for you as you seem to have forgotten that you asked me to spell it out yesterday.
My reason for voting for Charlie - in plan black and white is as follows:
"His PM looks edited when compared to Pizza's, Lizzy's and MINE again I'm not spelling out why it is different because that would only help the scum team"
I also asked the others to look at the PM you posted and to decide for themselves.
On a side note your case against Pizza's results is weak the mod told the results as blank is loyal to blank not based on blanks loyalty to the person it is being told to which is how I have always noticed it to be done. Example I'm town my results would be "Player A is loyal to Scum" - not Player A is not loyal to your team
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Day Two
Jul 14, 2013 9:03:43 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 14, 2013 9:03:43 GMT -5
I'm a bit concerned with Pleo, Maha, and cookies making obvious one off votes so they don't have to take responsibility for how this all goes down. No, and I still think Pleonast is scum in this game. Take responsibility for how this all goes down? What do you want me to do? Vote for one of the vote leaders so that I play a role in actual lynch? I have no idea whether to believe gnarly or pizza, so it would be a coin toss for me. And I'm not going to toss that coin. I'm leaving my vote where it is. Pleo and Cookies have made the argument that they want to postpone killing either Gnarly or Pizza. Do you agree? You say you don't want to toss the coin, but how do you feel about the rest of us tossing it? |
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Jul 14, 2013 9:58:57 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 14, 2013 9:58:57 GMT -5
i will try to make my arguments clearer to understand. maybe a change in format will help. reasons i am town: 1. i said i didn't have a result rather than having a result. it would have been easier to say Idle Thoughts is Town or CatinaSuit is Scum to prove my claim. 2. i told others not to say whether their PMs were similar to mine. this may make it easier for scum to find Town's power roles. reasons AskthePizzaGuy is scum: 1. he claimed DETECTIVE. confused? i don't mean that he counterclaimed me although i will touch on that later. you see, i claimed Detective, not cop nor investigator. i didn't claim spy or sheriff which, with the flavor, the mod may have used. now they might have the same abilities but they are different names. how would i as scum know that Pizza was a detective too? do you think i made a very lucky guess? you might argue that the mod gave cover roles. however the mod didn't do so in his previous game, Wedlock. i argue that he didn't this game either. 2. Pizza's second power is obviously fake. a. the power is ambiguous what does it mean to get squashed? does this mean anyone who tries to NK him? or the last who voted tp lynch him? what about targeting him would some other power? it is VERY unclear. i really don't see an experienced mod such as ours do this. b. the power is useful as a deterrent only if it is known. most players wouldn't post their powers unless pressured to do so. this is a useful extra power, sure, but only minimally. you have to let people know you have that power for it to scare away players who would want to target you, especially kill you. i believe that Pizza added this so he could defend why he was still alive later in the game. he would say scum would be hesitant to kill him. 3. he claimed that he might be an insane cop but it is still very sure about his belief i am scum. he has to say this in case i am lynched or killed before him. he needs to float this idea so can justify his wrong result and get away with it. he will then say all his reads are reversed. the problem with stating the possibility he's insane is that it doesn't explain why he is totally convinced i'm scum. he only offers the statement that he would be very confused. that's hilarious after he just gave a possibility why his result was wrong. 4. he delayed his counterclaim if someone claimed cop and i was Town's version, i would have counterclaimed. perhaps i would have done it with 24 hours left in the Day as not to derail discussion just as i do when i have a scum result as a cop. one can argue that he needed a Night to investigate and what have you. okay so why didn't he announce his result right away? but gnarly, you said it was good to delay the result. yes, but he didn't wait long either. when it appeared to him that i wasn't getting heat, he claimed. this wait and see doesn't seem very Pizza. he even asked others if their PMs had also just a #1. 5. the text of his result seems off. call this a gut feel more than anything. as a Town detective, i believe a "gnarlycharlie is not loyal to the Duke of York" would be better as this takes a town perspective. i will continue to defend myself and attack Pizza. to my lazy voters, here's a very substantial post. put holes through it and you can use that to justify your vote. otherwise, you're just full of it. So you outright can't prove you are town. And you wants us to take you at your word for it? And the the fact that you DON'T have a result somehow proves you are town? I don't follow how your second one proves ANYTHING. -- Yes, this is the textbook definition of a counterclaim. In fact it is exactly how it works. As to why "Detective" is used over any other word, I find that detective is actually the default word used. Cop IMHO comes into play only when players shorten it. To me, it is a bad fit at worst, when was the last time a donut muncher had ""one more thing"" ? I've never ever played in a game with a "spy" or a "sheriff". Have you? I can't think of any character that would fit that role, per the flavor. And since when, when defining the role on its core basis, does the mod cling to flavor? At a given point in EVERY role description, a basic language has to be used. At this point on every level "Detective" works more than anything else. "If someone tries to squash you, you have a 50% chance of poisoning your killer, who will then die in two days." You embrace flavor in the first anti-pizza point, and shirk it now? It's not ambiguous in the least . I view mafia as a game with townsfolk. This town as it were has the power en mass to lynch someone, and send them to the gallows to die, eventually. No one in particular "kills" the person going to the lynch. In this case the last vote has NO MORE power than the first vote. As it should be. Now, a NK on the other hand, is a crime, and one of opportunity, at that. "Squash" as a euphemism, or in this case, staight up, would describe a death, any death to a spider, quite well. To me at least this makes perfect sense. Notice you don't comment on the coin flip AND the 2 day waiting period. This to me balances out (it might make the power underpowered, frankly) and "proves" townliness in and of itself. I disagree, powers are best, and often held close to the vest for insurance. One thing we have to learn as players, is that no two players will play the same role the same exact way. Hell, I was in a game in recent memory, where I had a suite of kick ass powers. ... I was able to watch my own death as it happened, and I was a Scotsman at the same time. I believe we won that game, based on my actions alone, there. If I had told everyone what I can do, before hand? (Actually, I did tell everyone, which made it that much sweeter, once it happened) The point is, I think pizza was playing the role the best way possible, the best way he could, and wanted to. Not to snuggle, but I think pizza and I on a .... For lack of better words, psychological level would act in the same way here. .... I get his play here, and I can't hold it against him. And I won't, either. If he is an insane cop, how will he find this out? Is it not the best practice to be hesitant, all the way around, with an "insane" role? He needs to admit his insanity at his best possible time, totally,ignoring everything EVERYTHING your are doing in the game. Except for maybe the fact that he can counter claim you. The dynamic of counterclaiming is self sufficient to itself, it doesn't care for sanity, or anything else. (Well you know what I mean, I hope) As to his delay, if he is an insane anything, his delay would play into the over abundance of hesitancy. The text is off? But this is a gut feeling.... So We can disregard it? Ok. But text being off, in an environment after the rash of handshaking and the fiasco that was LOST mafia, I can stomach "off" texts. But ok, this does actually check with Pizza's ..... Featureless result post. I guess I should FOS him. Oh wait. |
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Jul 14, 2013 10:01:45 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 14, 2013 10:01:45 GMT -5
PIZZA
per my last comment above, can you please cut and paste your result pm?
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Jul 14, 2013 10:02:33 GMT -5
Post by Meeko on Jul 14, 2013 10:02:33 GMT -5
Did I really just spend an hour typing that out on an IPad ?
Perhaps I'm the insane one here.
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Jul 14, 2013 13:40:05 GMT -5
Post by Mahaloth on Jul 14, 2013 13:40:05 GMT -5
No, and I still think Pleonast is scum in this game. Take responsibility for how this all goes down? What do you want me to do? Vote for one of the vote leaders so that I play a role in actual lynch? I have no idea whether to believe gnarly or pizza, so it would be a coin toss for me. And I'm not going to toss that coin. I'm leaving my vote where it is. Pleo and Cookies have made the argument that they want to postpone killing either Gnarly or Pizza. Do you agree? You say you don't want to toss the coin, but how do you feel about the rest of us tossing it? I'm against tossing a coin for anyone. I noticed you said "how do you feel about the rest of us tossing it?" Are you sure everyone else is tossing a coin? I hope not, but rather hope everyone is voting who they think is most likely scum. I'd be careful announcing "the rest of us" are doing something unless you are sure "the rest" agree that they are coin tossing. Anyway, I'm against tossing a coin. |
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Day Two
Jul 14, 2013 17:54:47 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 14, 2013 17:54:47 GMT -5
It seems unlikely to me, since we already have 2 claimed detectives, that you have any special knowledge about Pleo's alignment. So while I agree with you that Pleo is likely scum, I wouldn't call it a sure thing. Do you think that lynching a scummy Pleo has a higher priority that resolving the Gnarly/Pizza standoff?
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Day Two
Jul 14, 2013 17:56:15 GMT -5
Post by texcat on Jul 14, 2013 17:56:15 GMT -5
ugh NETC: higher priority than resolving
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Jul 14, 2013 23:54:42 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 14, 2013 23:54:42 GMT -5
PIZZAper my last comment above, can you please cut and paste your result pm? I already did, but what I didn't do was throw the mod's quote tags around it. Why- because it proves nothing, and it is the easiest thing in the world to do. In the very previous game I was in, I was a mason, I was gonna be lynched, and after reading what was in my role PM, Giraffe told me to quote it. Contained within it was stuff about my mason partner, so I refused. And it was something so simple, so easy to do, that any scumbag could have done it, and not put up a stink about it. If you really want me to throw quote tags around it, I will, but if I were lying, I already would have done so to make it seem more authentic. It's cheap. You don't need to see it, it's such an easy thing to forge. Just type |
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Jul 14, 2013 23:55:48 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 14, 2013 23:55:48 GMT -5
LOL. I said type quote with the tag, and didn't put the end tag, and it put the whole rest of the post in quotes.
I haven't been on a forum where the quote tag functions without the end quote tag before.
Here's an example of a situation where EDITING SHOULD BE LEGAL
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Jul 14, 2013 23:56:49 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 14, 2013 23:56:49 GMT -5
Habitual post-then-editor. More than five years worth of posting and that habit has stuck with me all this time.
Here, quote tags.
Sigh.
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Jul 15, 2013 0:38:14 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 15, 2013 0:38:14 GMT -5
I am going to ask this question- what if both gnarly and Pizza are BOTH town?
Gnarly's result was that he was blocked, and pizza determined that gnarly was scum
If we are to believe this, it would mean that Pizza is an insane cop or scans everyone backwards, and gnarly really was blocked. It just doesn't make sense, especially with 2 vanillas and a Gaoler/Jailer? Role revealed via death. Two cops= overkill.
So, it comes down to who is more truthful. I am a bit uneasy that A~ Pizza used the same claim tactic as his last game, and B- his secondary power makes no sense to me in terms of balance, unless there are a lot of scum out there.
I feel that gnarly's death would tell us more, plus I feel that he may be scum with his vote on Paranoia on Day 1, which helped to get rid of him.
Dizzy- care to share any results?
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Jul 15, 2013 0:58:42 GMT -5
Post by Colby11 on Jul 15, 2013 0:58:42 GMT -5
And a closer side-by side comparison. Incy Wincy Spider climbing up the spout
Down came the rain and washed the spider out.NAME: Incy Wincy Spider SIDE: Duke of York ROLE: Detective WIN CONDITION: All threats to the Duke of York's side have been removed. BACKGROUND: You're nothing like your cousin who kept frightening Miss Muffet. Beside going up and down the water spout, you spend your time spinning webs and keeping an eye out for dangers. Since you have several eyes, you're a natural at it. POWERS: 1. As a houseguest of the Grand Old Duke, you keep watch as best you can. Each Night you may try to learn the loyalty of one target. 2. If someone tries to squash you, you have a 50% chance of poisoning your killer, who will then die in two Days. ===================================== Lucy Locket lost her pocket,
Kitty Fisher found it.NAME: Kitty Fisher SIDE: Duke of York ROLE: Detective WIN CONDITION: All threats to the Duke of York's side have been removed. BACKGROUND: You were always noticing and finding things. It's a talent and also good for spotting things which shouldn't be. Like which uniforms all the people are wearing, although the mud makes it difficult, if anyone can do it, its you. POWERS: 1. During the Night, you can select one person to have a closer look at and determine what side they are on. Send a PM naming the person and your result will be returned at Dawn. I have another issue with Pizza's claim, besides the seemingly overpowered spider venom. His claim makes no mention at all of getting his results at Dawn. Is it a simple mistake? Perhaps. Or maybe scum sees getting rid of gnarly as necessary. Unvote: Gnarlycharlie Vote: ATPG And if one turns up as town, the other will follow in their footsteps. |
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Jul 15, 2013 1:31:59 GMT -5
Post by Askthepizzaguy on Jul 15, 2013 1:31:59 GMT -5
I don't follow your reasoning as to why my PM should match his.
If we were both townies, the discrepancy could be explained very simply- the game host never wrote it exactly the same way.
If one of us is scum, then if they were to match, the one that got posted second would be the fake, because then it was the fake copying the real one.
But they don't match, because mine is real, and his is the fake.
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Jul 15, 2013 1:58:03 GMT -5
Post by BillMc on Jul 15, 2013 1:58:03 GMT -5
Been a busy week in RL So Pizza's also claiming detective It would be highly unusual, especially for this board, for scum to false claim cop on day one. Very original play by Gnarly if he is lying. @atpg - you originally accused Gnarly of editting his PM, no #2, yet were quick enough to move your vote to Dizzy when Guiri confirmed he only had a #1 and suggested that. And the fact that you breadcrumbed something doesn't mean it is true. You are wanting folk to take your breadcrumb as gospel, that you so meticulously placed the breadcrumb, that you analyse everything - yet you missed my claim. When did you claim mason? Indeed, you missed it so much, you had previously quoted the post and poo-poo'd it. I really should have gotten my notes/predictions witnessed - shame I suck with the lottery numbers 1) neither gnarly or dizzy would get killed 2) pizza would cast further doubt on gnarly, and vote for me 3) gnarly would be blocked and would want to vote for me for effectively not voting for him so three to me I think there. Now from yesterday's voting record, and if we trust gnarly and dizzy's claims - the pool the scum are hiding in is rather small, especially when you remove myself and my fellow masons from that pool. My fellow masons need not come forward now, nor vouch for me. But if anyone wants to counterclaim me - feel free. At this point, Pizza and Plankton are the scum on my pond of suspicion. What is this I don't even I predict BillMc would come in here and post exactly this, it was in my notes somewhere I promise. Three to you Bill? Predicting stuff that has already happened? Okay Miss Cleo. I am loving the distance you and gnarly are attempting to put between yourselves, after saving his butt. That's not scummy at all. And claiming Mason is scummily distancing myself from Gnarly. Hmm, yeah. texcat - Given the number of folk in the game, I'm going to decline to answer your questions - that reveals far too much to the scum. patricia - you keep saying Gnarly's PM looks editted but fail to state exactly why. @pleo - ordinarily I would be on board with your suggestion of keeping both alive, except you have made no comment about something that historically has been one of your pet peeves - that this is a game of deduction - not a game of chance. Pizza's second power makes it a game of chance - it's a flip of coin whether there is a revenge kill - it doesn't say whether it works in response to lynch or NK; I don't think CIAS would have been so unspecific in a power - Meeko has argued that it is "obvious" that it is against a NK - while others have argued that having two cops in a game of 16 would be overpowered. Yet giving a cop a revenge kill, which in all liklihood is a revenge against scum, and an additionl kill to town, is not overpowered? So I agree with Colby that this power seems unbalanced. So I'm happy with my vote on Pizza |
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