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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 15, 2013 8:28:43 GMT -5
DAY ONE From an anonymous journal, found in an abandoned and nearly empty Manhattan apartment shortly after the events of the first week of May 1981.The riots haven't started yet, which is nice. It's been about 24 hours since the leaflets. - started appearing. No one seems to have seen anyone actually placing the damn things; they were just there, part of the landscape overnight. Handwritten, sloppy, seemingly the work of a particularly stupid eight-year-old: "WE WILL CLEAN THIS CITY WITH FLAME AND FEAR - THE UNCURRUPTED." At first we ignored them; this is New York City, and threatening letters from clinically insane toddlers are just, you know, Wednesday. Then came the fires. The buildings they targeted were entirely random: a high-rise, an after-hours school, a fire station (well, maybe that last one wasn't entirely random. Few deaths, but people are getting pushed out, into the streets; they pool there in puddles of uncertainty. Some have tried to leave; but the tunnels are blocked with strange debris and the Bridge seems to be endlessly on fire. The phone lines are all down. The cars and busses don't work. And no one has seen a single person do a damn thing. A few of us have gathered near the lake in Central Park; the word spreads quickly through the old channels, even when they've been long unused. I recognize a lot of the faces - some old colleagues, old friends even, but we're getting old and we're getting fat. The city doesn't want us to save it, but maybe it's our job. Or maybe not. Maybe it shouldn't be anyone's job. I don't know. Don't ask me questions; I'm frightened of questions. But I do know that when we reached the lake, there was a mesasge waiting for us, burned into the ground in he same ugly lettering: "HAIL WATCHMEN.
WE ARE AMONG YOU." So it looks like we'll be spending some time in Central Park. In Spring. So... hooray? ----- Day One begins now. It will end on Thursday, August 22 at around 2:00PM Eastern. Voting is now open; have fun, and try to stay alive out there!
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 15, 2013 9:39:39 GMT -5
Can you please not close the threads of previous Days/Nights so it's easier to quote from them?
First, I'll make a full claim at the end of Day Two, but until then, I'll only say "80051".
Next, my play time will be somewhat limited due to my schedule. I'll be able to reply to discussions, just don't expect timely responses.
We have 20 players and 4 categories of players: town, scum, 3rd-parties and win-stealers. Town needs to eliminate all scum and win-stealers. We don't know the others' victory conditions, but I'll assume scum need to eliminate win-stealers and have numbers equal to the number of non-scum. Third-parties we can treat as town, although we need to watch for scum or win-stealers false-claiming 3rd party (history shows they tend to false-claim town, but there's always a first). I don't think it's worth guessing how win-stealers might win, so we need to eliminate them as soon as possible.
Ignoring kills that aren't the regular scum Nightly kill, if there's 15 town and 3rd-parties, versus 5 scum and win-stealers, we need to lynch 5 before we have 5 mislynches. That seems like a reasonable initial assumption until we get more information.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 15, 2013 10:01:42 GMT -5
although we need to watch for scum or win-stealers false-claiming 3rd party (history shows they tend to false-claim town, but there's always a first). I seem to recall that guiri claimed third-party in Alice, but I may be wrong about that. I can't parse this, pleo. I'm sorry.
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 15, 2013 10:14:48 GMT -5
I can't parse this, pleo. I'm sorry. It's crude estimate of what we need to win and not lose. If this were a pure-vanilla game, with 15 town and 5 scum, we'd need to lynch 5 scum to win. If we had 5 mislynches, we'd lose. That'd be a more-or-less balanced game. Of course, we don't have a pure-vanilla game, but it's still a good starting point estimate for how many scum and win-stealers we must eliminate in order to win, and how many mislynches we can allow before we lose.
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 15, 2013 10:18:07 GMT -5
After reading the rules again they seem quite straight forward although the game itself could be quite complicated. We have 4 different categories and 20 players. 4 scum perhaps? I was going to ask Pleo why he thought there would be 5 scum but then I saw that he had included the win stealers, that makes sense.
[OOG] I have been to Central Park and had the most awful hotdog there [/OOG]
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Post by Colby11 on Aug 15, 2013 10:52:26 GMT -5
I feel like this game will be entertaining, but I am saying that after being mafia-less for two weeks.
Backing up to the setup talk, I am not even going to speculate, since I probably would be wrong. I am assuming that the scum team would be around 4-5, but the 3rd party win stealers scare me a little bit. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a serial killer, and if that's the case, it might be bloody
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 15, 2013 12:06:02 GMT -5
A whole 4 posts, and no one has said anything fishy* yet.
No idea what to make of the number.
*No Pleonast strategy was harmed in the making of this post.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 15, 2013 13:06:59 GMT -5
Must....resist..... "Fishy."
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Post by Mahaloth on Aug 15, 2013 14:08:13 GMT -5
First, I'll make a full claim at the end of Day Two, but until then, I'll only say "80051". I'm starting to enjoy these little mysterious partial claim hints. Anyone have any idea what 80051 is? I don't see anything about it when I google it.
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 15, 2013 14:08:52 GMT -5
A whole 4 posts, and no one has said anything fishy* yet. No idea what to make of the number. *No Pleonast strategy was harmed in the making of this post. So you didn't find 80051 fishy? there is something wrong with this game.
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 15, 2013 14:10:53 GMT -5
First, I'll make a full claim at the end of Day Two, but until then, I'll only say "80051". I'm starting to enjoy these little mysterious partial claim hints. Anyone have any idea what 80051 is? I don't see anything about it when I google it. I have no idea what it means but it is Pleo, there has to be something in it.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 15, 2013 14:30:00 GMT -5
A whole 4 posts, and no one has said anything fishy* yet. No idea what to make of the number. *No Pleonast strategy was harmed in the making of this post. So you didn't find 80051 fishy? there is something wrong with this game. Just good old sarcasm. I don't really want Meeko to vote for me either, in case that wasn't clear.
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 15, 2013 14:38:55 GMT -5
So you didn't find 80051 fishy? there is something wrong with this game. Just good old sarcasm. I don't really want Meeko to vote for me either, in case that wasn't clear. Oh dear, good old Meeko, i think he is great, no idea what he is on about most of the time but he gives us something to talk about.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 15, 2013 14:48:43 GMT -5
Well it kinda looks like "boobies" ... No wait, that's 8008135.
I thought story put in checks to avoid handshaking and in my mind the implication there is that it is for good reason -- I wonder what maha is up to / thinks he can gain here.
Oh and I'm mobile. Lack of punctuation abounds
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Post by Meeko on Aug 15, 2013 14:53:37 GMT -5
Ugh. You mean pleonast is claiming the boobies, not maha? You think I would have known this.
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Post by Jaade on Aug 15, 2013 15:02:03 GMT -5
I'm here! Nothing much to report yet, but a reminder that I do work night shift so I will hardly ever, if at all, be around at 2:00pm Eastern time. I know sometimes things get hectic and votes might shift later in the morning/early afternoon of the end of Day.
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 15, 2013 15:06:26 GMT -5
A whole 4 posts, and no one has said anything fishy* yet. No idea what to make of the number. *No Pleonast strategy was harmed in the making of this post. So you didn't find 80051 fishy? there is something wrong with this game. Since when are breadcrumbs considered suspicious?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Aug 15, 2013 15:15:45 GMT -5
Pleo I enjoy your little breadcrumbing games....
I quite enjoyed Pizza attempting to break your code by coming up with Woodpecker....Too bad that was wrong. I wish I was good at parsing these things!
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Aug 15, 2013 16:12:39 GMT -5
80051 is the zip code of Bomerano, Italy. This is clearly an oblique reference to the Italian Shadow, a criminal most notable for having been apprehended by The Comedian. Given that the Comedian is alive in 1981, it's safe to assume he's in the game, and since his role in the story is that of someone who discovers a horrible truth and is killed for his knowledge, Pleo is softclaiming detective.
It's all so obvious you wonder why you bothered to ask!
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Aug 15, 2013 16:40:00 GMT -5
I was 2 years old in 1981....That's all I have to add!! LMAO
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Aug 15, 2013 16:45:44 GMT -5
Haha, I will be extremely disappointed if literally any of it turns out to be right. That's, like, Karl-Pilkinton-level cryptic clue nonsense.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 15, 2013 17:29:58 GMT -5
Pleo's already touched on this subject, and based on experience of passed games I think our meta-strategies are fairly well-aligned on this topic (though they have not always been), but how do the rest of you feel about 3rd parties vs PFKs?
Anecdotally, consensus seems to come down on the paranoid side of the spectrum and any claimed 3rd party ends up either lynched or vig killed in short order, even when they are truthful, hunting scum, and otherwise a boon (literally or potentially) to Town. While scum/pfk machinations can certainly be a variable in that equation that is to be expected. It is in the risk assessment of the Town players and non-win-stealing 3rd parties where we can maybe flesh out a less risk-averse strategy ahead of time.
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Post by texcat on Aug 15, 2013 17:32:48 GMT -5
A zip code from Italy! and you conclude that Pleo is a detective? I immediately jumped to the conclusion that an Italian zip code must mean that Pleo is mafia.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 15, 2013 18:36:36 GMT -5
Pleo's already touched on this subject, and based on experience of passed games I think our meta-strategies are fairly well-aligned on this topic (though they have not always been), but how do the rest of you feel about 3rd parties vs PFKs? Anecdotally, consensus seems to come down on the paranoid side of the spectrum and any claimed 3rd party ends up either lynched or vig killed in short order, even when they are truthful, hunting scum, and otherwise a boon (literally or potentially) to Town. While scum/pfk machinations can certainly be a variable in that equation that is to be expected. It is in the risk assessment of the Town players and non-win-stealing 3rd parties where we can maybe flesh out a less risk-averse strategy ahead of time. The problem for the more risk-averse among us is how easy it is to change a PFK PM to a third-party PM, I think. Though, in my opinion the best thing is to take each claim on its individual merits, how likely a role it seems (and keeping in mind that this is a story game) -- unless Scum manage to use the same cover PM twice.
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Aug 15, 2013 18:57:16 GMT -5
I'm generally of the opinion that mafia players in general are too easily sidetracked by the possibility or consideration of third-parties in general. It seems especially true of survivors – largely because it's an easy fake-claim to make – but on the whole I think that for the most part everyone's a little too happy to let the schumhunt slide in favor of rooting out third parties or testing the survivor waters. I definitely wouldn't ever bother saving one, but it's too easy for the scum to redirect the search onto a harmless third-party, or even well-meaning townies to get sidetracked.
Basically I think it's wise to keep any claimed third-party player on a short rope, but not to let it dominate the game when it does happen, or to make a third-party claim an automatic lynch when more fruitful ones might be present. And to look pretty closely at anyone who pushes the lynch a little too singlemindedly!
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Post by abstain on Aug 15, 2013 19:16:57 GMT -5
Vote: Paranoia
always good to ensure we have negative feelings out of the way first.
Re: Third parties, they get lynched 90% of the time when they claim, and I imagine that is no different here. Not the best way of dealing with things, but it at least takes care of those variables.
Can't imagine Pleo having a standard power role if he says he will claim and in the first post no less.
In any case, let's actually start voting, can't get anywhere without votes. Talking is all well and good, but voting is what decides the game, and we can use what we find to move on throughout the day.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 15, 2013 19:37:16 GMT -5
In any case, let's actually start voting, can't get anywhere without votes. Talking is all well and good, but voting is what decides the game, and we can use what we find to move on throughout the day. That's one way to look at it. Another is to generate some discussion so that votes can be as informed as possible. And yet another perspective is that the voting record is just one of many facets of the game that can be analyzed to pull off a win.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 15, 2013 19:40:23 GMT -5
Posted too soon... Can't imagine Pleo having a standard power role if he says he will claim and in the first post no less. Not to accuse you of lack of imagination or imply that I always enjoy this particular strategy of his, but he does that kind of thing.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Aug 15, 2013 20:41:29 GMT -5
Yeah Pleo claims as early as N0 just his MO and doesn't mean anything usually.
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Post by Mahaloth on Aug 15, 2013 21:10:21 GMT -5
Vote: Paranoia always good to ensure we have negative feelings out of the way first. Re: Third parties, they get lynched 90% of the time when they claim, and I imagine that is no different here. Not the best way of dealing with things, but it at least takes care of those variables. Can't imagine Pleo having a standard power role if he says he will claim and in the first post no less. In any case, let's actually start voting, can't get anywhere without votes. Talking is all well and good, but voting is what decides the game, and we can use what we find to move on throughout the day. Others have basically said it, but if you didn't realize it, Pleo started this day one claiming thing a few years ago. He either claims fully on the first day, does a partial claim with a hint(like this time), or once in awhile doesn't claim at all. It's a thing.
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