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Post by Paranoia on Aug 15, 2013 22:50:20 GMT -5
I'm just going to ignore pleo's meta talk as it's not actually
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that helpful at the moment.
In other news I'm going to Vote: Meeko as I can still feel my eye twitch.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 15, 2013 23:31:46 GMT -5
Interesting that the US governments Zone Improvement Plan would reach as far as Italy.
Paranoia's eye is twitching, and I'm at a loss why.
Just like he is at a loss for reasons to vote me.
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Post by Paranoia on Aug 16, 2013 0:07:18 GMT -5
There is something about the concept of rvs you don't get, is there.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 16, 2013 0:43:10 GMT -5
There is something about the concept of rvs you don't get, is there. Yeah I mean, what are they exactly, I mean a house on wheels? It's like if you take the shell off of a tortoise, is he homeless, or simply naked? And for that matter, can't you live in any car? I mean ok, probably not a smart car, but if you paid me enough, maybe. But then, where does the recreation come in? I mean, if you are sleeping in an RV how much recreation can you be having? .... Unless its the wink wink nudge nudge type of "sleep" but then heh, well what do squeaky bedsprings in an RV sound like? Does it throw the vehicle into neutral? Talk about sex drive.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 16, 2013 0:55:45 GMT -5
There is something about the concept of rvs you don't get, is there. Yeah I mean, what are they exactly, I mean a house on wheels? It's like if you take the shell off of a tortoise, is he homeless, or simply naked? And for that matter, can't you live in any car? I mean ok, probably not a smart car, but if you paid me enough, maybe. But then, where does the recreation come in? I mean, if you are sleeping in an RV how much recreation can you be having? .... Unless its the wink wink nudge nudge type of "sleep" but then heh, well what do squeaky bedsprings in an RV sound like? Does it throw the vehicle into neutral? Talk about sex drive. OOG Rereading this, I wonder if it doesn't channel Peeker or Pizza more. /OOG
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Post by swammerdami on Aug 16, 2013 5:32:06 GMT -5
(Storyteller wrote in the Rules:)
This confuses me. (Pizza's game allowed PMs!) Mod: Please clarify.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Aug 16, 2013 7:57:40 GMT -5
Vote: Paranoia always good to ensure we have negative feelings out of the way first. Re: Third parties, they get lynched 90% of the time when they claim, and I imagine that is no different here. Not the best way of dealing with things, but it at least takes care of those variables. Can't imagine Pleo having a standard power role if he says he will claim and in the first post no less. In any case, let's actually start voting, can't get anywhere without votes. Talking is all well and good, but voting is what decides the game, and we can use what we find to move on throughout the day. as has been mentioned, he does that all the time. that said, why are you voting for Paranoia not Pleo?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 16, 2013 11:01:25 GMT -5
It's like if you take the shell off of a tortoise, is he homeless, or simply naked? Dead, I think.
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 16, 2013 11:05:54 GMT -5
Vote: Paranoia always good to ensure we have negative feelings out of the way first. Re: Third parties, they get lynched 90% of the time when they claim, and I imagine that is no different here. Not the best way of dealing with things, but it at least takes care of those variables. Can't imagine Pleo having a standard power role if he says he will claim and in the first post no less. In any case, let's actually start voting, can't get anywhere without votes. Talking is all well and good, but voting is what decides the game, and we can use what we find to move on throughout the day. as has been mentioned, he does that all the time. that said, why are you voting for Paranoia not Pleo? Talking is an important part of the game, why would anyone want to put down votes willy nilly? Except Abstain of course I haven't got a feel for anyone yet. Paranoia, why the vote on Meeko? You voted before all the sex in a RV talk, now that would have been a good place to start No, I am not being serious, that was just a funny (haha) post.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 16, 2013 11:06:21 GMT -5
always good to ensure we have negative feelings out of the way first. why are you voting for Paranoia not Pleo? IAN abstain, but it seems to me this vote is the opposite of MHaye's "Hold no grudges". Also, massive snippage.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 16, 2013 11:19:39 GMT -5
(Storyteller wrote in the Rules:) This confuses me. (Pizza's game allowed PMs!) Mod: Please clarify. I believe Storyteller is referring to no restrictions on what we can post in the game thread or any threads that may have been set up for scum, masons, etc. I believe sending PMs to anyone but the Mod about the game while either party of the PM is still in the game would be frowned upon.
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Post by swammerdami on Aug 16, 2013 11:48:23 GMT -5
I believe Storyteller is referring to no restrictions on what we can post in the game thread or any threads that may have been set up for scum, masons, etc. I believe sending PMs to anyone but the Mod about the game while either party of the PM is still in the game would be frowned upon. That is what I thought But I like things crystal clear. Am I lawyer-like?
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 16, 2013 13:38:54 GMT -5
I believe Storyteller is referring to no restrictions on what we can post in the game thread or any threads that may have been set up for scum, masons, etc. I believe sending PMs to anyone but the Mod about the game while either party of the PM is still in the game would be frowned upon. That is what I thought But I like things crystal clear. Am I lawyer-like? I no longer trust games where out of game chat is allowed, got badly burnt in one of them.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Aug 16, 2013 15:06:18 GMT -5
I can't imagine OOG talking. Seems like a setup for disaster.... I can't imagine unless it's specificially stated that you would be allowed to partake in that kind of activity.
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Post by KidVermicious on Aug 16, 2013 17:24:21 GMT -5
Pleo's already touched on this subject, and based on experience of passed games I think our meta-strategies are fairly well-aligned on this topic (though they have not always been), but how do the rest of you feel about 3rd parties vs PFKs? Anecdotally, consensus seems to come down on the paranoid side of the spectrum and any claimed 3rd party ends up either lynched or vig killed in short order, even when they are truthful, hunting scum, and otherwise a boon (literally or potentially) to Town. While scum/pfk machinations can certainly be a variable in that equation that is to be expected. It is in the risk assessment of the Town players and non-win-stealing 3rd parties where we can maybe flesh out a less risk-averse strategy ahead of time. In my opinion, there is Town and there is not-Town, and it really is that simple. Excepting the rare case that I feel I can actually trust a 3rd party claim, I'll assume that anything other than Town is not to be trusted.
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Post by KidVermicious on Aug 16, 2013 17:26:30 GMT -5
Vote: Paranoia always good to ensure we have negative feelings out of the way first. Re: Third parties, they get lynched 90% of the time when they claim, and I imagine that is no different here. Not the best way of dealing with things, but it at least takes care of those variables. Can't imagine Pleo having a standard power role if he says he will claim and in the first post no less. In any case, let's actually start voting, can't get anywhere without votes. Talking is all well and good, but voting is what decides the game, and we can use what we find to move on throughout the day. Others have basically said it, but if you didn't realize it, Pleo started this day one claiming thing a few years ago. He either claims fully on the first day, does a partial claim with a hint(like this time), or once in awhile doesn't claim at all. It's a thing. So he definitely either claims or doesn't. Got it.
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Post by KidVermicious on Aug 16, 2013 17:28:52 GMT -5
Dear gawd that's a horrible smiley.
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Post by patricia on Aug 16, 2013 21:38:29 GMT -5
I want to vote to lynch the MOD - he made me older in game than I'm in real life - NOT COOL
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Post by Meeko on Aug 17, 2013 0:20:19 GMT -5
I want to vote to lynch the MOD - he made me older in game than I'm in real life - NOT COOL It's also 1981, I would exist in 1981, if it was real life.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 17, 2013 0:21:36 GMT -5
I want to vote to lynch the MOD - he made me older in game than I'm in real life - NOT COOL It's also 1981, I would exist in 1981, if it was real life. Would not exist.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 17, 2013 0:22:55 GMT -5
Vote: COOKIES
She asked for it, literally.
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Post by Colby11 on Aug 17, 2013 1:02:46 GMT -5
Well, I'm confused
Which means that we are definitely playing.
Abstain, forgive me for asking, but why the vote on Paranoia, and then the "negative feelings" comment? I feel like I'm WAY out of the loop.
Nothing seems very pinging to me.
Except for the quiet....
Please communicate with me.....
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Aug 17, 2013 5:12:16 GMT -5
why are you voting for Paranoia not Pleo? IAN abstain, but it seems to me this vote is the opposite of MHaye's "Hold no grudges". Also, massive snippage. i'm still confused. he comments on Pleo but votes Paranoia. I can't imagine OOG talking. Seems like a setup for disaster.... I can't imagine unless it's specificially stated that you would be allowed to partake in that kind of activity. i've played on some boards where it's not only allowed, it's also encouraged. some even frown upon those who don't.
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Post by abstain on Aug 17, 2013 6:10:23 GMT -5
I voted Paranoia randomly, the negative feelings thing was a joke, a reference to his/her name (don't think I've played with them before, only played with a few of the people here). In any case, discussing is all well and fine, but you have little to discuss until you put a vote down. Talking is only useful when there is something to talk about, and there is little on the first day without any kind of voting.
In any case, I simply commented my thoughts on Pleo, what he said doesnt really strike me as anything worth voting him for in particular. (But you say, you're voting for Para!) Yes because somebody has to vote someone to start something.
OOG talking can be good can be bad. Depends on the game, and the players and what the board is like.
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Post by abstain on Aug 17, 2013 6:15:59 GMT -5
Pleo's already touched on this subject, and based on experience of passed games I think our meta-strategies are fairly well-aligned on this topic (though they have not always been), but how do the rest of you feel about 3rd parties vs PFKs? Anecdotally, consensus seems to come down on the paranoid side of the spectrum and any claimed 3rd party ends up either lynched or vig killed in short order, even when they are truthful, hunting scum, and otherwise a boon (literally or potentially) to Town. While scum/pfk machinations can certainly be a variable in that equation that is to be expected. It is in the risk assessment of the Town players and non-win-stealing 3rd parties where we can maybe flesh out a less risk-averse strategy ahead of time. In my opinion, there is Town and there is not-Town, and it really is that simple. Excepting the rare case that I feel I can actually trust a 3rd party claim, I'll assume that anything other than Town is not to be trusted. I roleblocked a serial killer night 1 once. I then decided to work with them to help eliminate my targets. I died from the mafia in about 1-2 nights after and the SK the next. It was fun whilst it lasted. I like third parties, they provide something interesting in what can often be a simple town-scum slugfest. In any case, the sheer fact they're mentioned makes me thing there is a least one pfk and one third party, alongst with the scum. I don't know the balance for your boards, but in a game with 20 players around 3-4 main scum. Don't know how this board works though in that regard, but it would be higher if it was anything like giraffe boards.
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Post by patricia on Aug 17, 2013 8:24:20 GMT -5
It's also 1981, I would exist in 1981, if it was real life. Would not exist. Well, I'm older than you too.
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Post by Meeko on Aug 17, 2013 9:01:51 GMT -5
In my opinion, there is Town and there is not-Town, and it really is that simple. Excepting the rare case that I feel I can actually trust a 3rd party claim, I'll assume that anything other than Town is not to be trusted. I roleblocked a serial killer night 1 once. I then decided to work with them to help eliminate my targets. I died from the mafia in about 1-2 nights after and the SK the next. It was fun whilst it lasted. I like third parties, they provide something interesting in what can often be a simple town-scum slugfest. In any case, the sheer fact they're mentioned makes me thing there is a least one pfk and one third party, alongst with the scum. I don't know the balance for your boards, but in a game with 20 players around 3-4 main scum. Don't know how this board works though in that regard, but it would be higher if it was anything like giraffe boards. I thought The giraffe was mostly "us" ? That is to say aren't most of us SDMB/Idle/Giraffe ites? Wouldn't it then be the same? In general, won't mafia games have to have the same math? It's not likely for a game to have 20 players with 19 scum.
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Post by abstain on Aug 17, 2013 9:06:15 GMT -5
I roleblocked a serial killer night 1 once. I then decided to work with them to help eliminate my targets. I died from the mafia in about 1-2 nights after and the SK the next. It was fun whilst it lasted. I like third parties, they provide something interesting in what can often be a simple town-scum slugfest. In any case, the sheer fact they're mentioned makes me thing there is a least one pfk and one third party, alongst with the scum. I don't know the balance for your boards, but in a game with 20 players around 3-4 main scum. Don't know how this board works though in that regard, but it would be higher if it was anything like giraffe boards. I thought The giraffe was mostly "us" ? That is to say aren't most of us SDMB/Idle/Giraffe ites? Wouldn't it then be the same? In general, won't mafia games have to have the same math? It's not likely for a game to have 20 players with 19 scum. Mafia games tend to be balanced differently per site. Giraffe/sdmb, etc have more scum then the Org/CFC does for example. I'm used to less mafia per game, whilst you'd be used to more.
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Aug 17, 2013 9:38:43 GMT -5
Talking is an important part of the game, why would anyone want to put down votes willy nilly? Except Abstain of course I haven't got a feel for anyone yet. Well, my personal philosophy on this one is that votes are cheap, but talk is even cheaper! You can say pretty much whatever you want, whenever you want, and it doesn't have to line up with your actions or intentions, but a voting record's pretty permanent and β barring weird roles β accurate. Since votes are the town's main method of dealing with scum, and there's usually no negative consequence to making and changing them, it's good to use them a lot. Plus, it puts pressure on the more nervous sort of scum. Heck, some people I've played with view it as a straight-up scumtell to be reluctant to vote or to vote first, although I don't really agree with that. So I guess I'll put my money where my mouth is and just vote on a whim and see where it takes us. Vote: KidVermicious. I mean, even talking about random (or not-so-random) votes is more productive than jokes about RVs and Italian postal codes (for the sticklers in the audience).
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Post by storyteller0910 on Aug 17, 2013 10:31:57 GMT -5
IMPORTANT NOTE: No private messaging between players in this game is permitted. I have no way to enforce this, so you're on the honor system. No PMs. Thanks!
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