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Post by texcat on Aug 17, 2013 11:06:40 GMT -5
IAN abstain, but it seems to me this vote is the opposite of MHaye's "Hold no grudges". Also, massive snippage. I have been trying to puzzle out what IAN is, but I can't get it. In my opinion, there is Town and there is not-Town, and it really is that simple. Excepting the rare case that I feel I can actually trust a 3rd party claim, I'll assume that anything other than Town is not to be trusted. I would say that anything other than Town needs to be lynched, but I agree. Vote: peeker I never have a clue whether he's Town or not. So I'll get this vote down now before he shows up.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Aug 17, 2013 11:33:54 GMT -5
IAN abstain, but it seems to me this vote is the opposite of MHaye's "Hold no grudges". Also, massive snippage. I have been trying to puzzle out what IAN is, but I can't get it. my guess: In A Nutshell
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 17, 2013 13:26:56 GMT -5
I want to vote to lynch the MOD - he made me older in game than I'm in real life - NOT COOL It's also 1981, I would exist in 1981, if it was real life. I got pregnant in 81, my baby is now 31 and I have a little grandbaby.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Aug 17, 2013 13:48:35 GMT -5
IAN: I am not (shortened from, for example, IANAL: I am not a lawyer.)
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Post by Mahaloth on Aug 17, 2013 15:10:32 GMT -5
That is what I thought But I like things crystal clear. Am I lawyer-like? I no longer trust games where out of game chat is allowed, got badly burnt in one of them. Malazan? That's the only one I've had that actually encouraged forming cliques and meeting off-board. It's where peeker and I first got to know each other(sniff....remember those days, peek?). I voted Paranoia randomly... Why? And that's bullshit. 1 point of of bullshit for abstain, though not necessarily a point towards being scum. IAN abstain, but it seems to me this vote is the opposite of MHaye's "Hold no grudges". Also, massive snippage. I have been trying to puzzle out what IAN is, but I can't get it. In my opinion, there is Town and there is not-Town, and it really is that simple. Excepting the rare case that I feel I can actually trust a 3rd party claim, I'll assume that anything other than Town is not to be trusted. I would say that anything other than Town needs to be lynched, but I agree. Vote: peeker I never have a clue whether he's Town or not. So I'll get this vote down now before he shows up. Assuming you are joking....ha ha. But where is the unvote? Otherwise, 1 point of bullshit to texcat. Again, not necessarily scumminess, but there it is. By the way, I was out of town for a day and half....but it doesn't look like I missed too much. Long first Day anyway.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 17, 2013 15:38:06 GMT -5
Ian 'I am not' ?
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Post by Colby11 on Aug 18, 2013 0:37:06 GMT -5
Voting for Peeker when he has said something is one thing
Voting for him when he hasn't even shown up, either means that you are scared of fun, or just think he's a good player....
Either way, enough to warrant a vote from me
Vote: Texcat
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Post by swammerdami on Aug 18, 2013 2:55:19 GMT -5
Anecdotally, consensus seems to come down on the paranoid side of the spectrum and any claimed 3rd party ends up either lynched or vig killed in short order, even when they are truthful, hunting scum, and otherwise a boon (literally or potentially) to Town. While scum/pfk machinations can certainly be a variable in that equation that is to be expected. It is in the risk assessment of the Town players and non-win-stealing 3rd parties where we can maybe flesh out a less risk-averse strategy ahead of time. I'm generally of the opinion that mafia players in general are too easily sidetracked by the possibility or consideration of third-parties in general. It seems especially true of survivors – largely because it's an easy fake-claim to make – but on the whole I think that for the most part everyone's a little too happy to let the schumhunt slide in favor of rooting out third parties or testing the survivor waters. I definitely wouldn't ever bother saving one, but it's too easy for the scum to redirect the search onto a harmless third-party, or even well-meaning townies to get sidetracked. Basically I think it's wise to keep any claimed third-party player on a short rope, but not to let it dominate the game when it does happen, or to make a third-party claim an automatic lynch when more fruitful ones might be present. And to look pretty closely at anyone who pushes the lynch a little too singlemindedly! I agree with theseBut KidV (and Texcat) don't. Scummy? Vote KidVIn my opinion, there is Town and there is not-Town, and it really is that simple. Excepting the rare case that I feel I can actually trust a 3rd party claim, I'll assume that anything other than Town is not to be trusted. I would say that anything other than Town needs to be lynched, but I agree.
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Post by gnarlycharlie on Aug 18, 2013 4:03:02 GMT -5
I no longer trust games where out of game chat is allowed, got badly burnt in one of them. Malazan? That's the only one I've had that actually encouraged forming cliques and meeting off-board. It's where peeker and I first got to know each other(sniff....remember those days, peek?). I voted Paranoia randomly... Why? And that's bullshit. 1 point of of bullshit for abstain, though not necessarily a point towards being scum. I have been trying to puzzle out what IAN is, but I can't get it. I would say that anything other than Town needs to be lynched, but I agree. Vote: peeker I never have a clue whether he's Town or not. So I'll get this vote down now before he shows up. Assuming you are joking....ha ha. But where is the unvote? Otherwise, 1 point of bullshit to texcat. Again, not necessarily scumminess, but there it is. By the way, I was out of town for a day and half....but it doesn't look like I missed too much. Long first Day anyway. Voting for Peeker when he has said something is one thing Voting for him when he hasn't even shown up, either means that you are scared of fun, or just think he's a good player.... Either way, enough to warrant a vote from me Vote: Texcatseriously, you two have played enough games that joke votes or random votes are common on D1. players keep these votes for many possible reasons: haven't been back yet, no one suspicious enough to vote for, or the vote might be for scum and it generates a nervous reaction.
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Post by BillMc on Aug 18, 2013 6:57:05 GMT -5
So we have a handful of grudge/random votes, and a number of votes for those voters. Pleo not out right claiming on day 1 is interesting, tho with him saying he will claim at the end of day 2 there may be something that he believes he can accomplish by then 80051 is the zip code of Bomerano, Italy. This is clearly an oblique reference to the Italian Shadow, a criminal most notable for having been apprehended by The Comedian. Given that the Comedian is alive in 1981, it's safe to assume he's in the game, and since his role in the story is that of someone who discovers a horrible truth and is killed for his knowledge, Pleo is softclaiming detective.It's all so obvious you wonder why you bothered to ask! Wrong, it is clearly 80009 + 42 Tho as always, Colby pings me Nothing seems very pinging to me. Except for the quiet.... Please communicate with me..... Sounds like you are after something specific
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Aug 18, 2013 7:26:24 GMT -5
I agree Bill there's really not much to parse here except for the random votes or grudge votes... I'm not quite sure what to make of it all
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Post by Jaade on Aug 18, 2013 11:40:51 GMT -5
I haven't played in many games with third-party players who weren't serial killers. SKs are extremely dangerous to everyone, obviously. I don't know what other types of 3rd party players exist but if they aren't harmful to Town, I agree with whoever said that people who focus on 3rd party too much might be trying to distract Town from Scum votes. (Sorry, can't scroll back on my phone and I'm pretty convinced I'm in the early stages of Alzheimer's )
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Post by KidVermicious on Aug 18, 2013 14:47:32 GMT -5
Anecdotally, consensus seems to come down on the paranoid side of the spectrum and any claimed 3rd party ends up either lynched or vig killed in short order, even when they are truthful, hunting scum, and otherwise a boon (literally or potentially) to Town. While scum/pfk machinations can certainly be a variable in that equation that is to be expected. It is in the risk assessment of the Town players and non-win-stealing 3rd parties where we can maybe flesh out a less risk-averse strategy ahead of time. I'm generally of the opinion that mafia players in general are too easily sidetracked by the possibility or consideration of third-parties in general. It seems especially true of survivors – largely because it's an easy fake-claim to make – but on the whole I think that for the most part everyone's a little too happy to let the schumhunt slide in favor of rooting out third parties or testing the survivor waters. I definitely wouldn't ever bother saving one, but it's too easy for the scum to redirect the search onto a harmless third-party, or even well-meaning townies to get sidetracked. Basically I think it's wise to keep any claimed third-party player on a short rope, but not to let it dominate the game when it does happen, or to make a third-party claim an automatic lynch when more fruitful ones might be present. And to look pretty closely at anyone who pushes the lynch a little too singlemindedly! I agree with theseBut KidV (and Texcat) don't. Scummy? Vote KidVI would say that anything other than Town needs to be lynched, but I agree. I don't understand where you're going with this, SD. You disagree, ergo I'm scummy? Is there something about your opinion that informs the rest of us what we should be doing to be good little Townies? Or is this a joke vote?
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Post by texcat on Aug 18, 2013 19:59:41 GMT -5
Voting for Peeker when he has said something is one thing Voting for him when he hasn't even shown up, either means that you are scared of fun, or just think he's a good player.... Either way, enough to warrant a vote from me Vote: TexcatI'm tired of lynching the loud and letting silent scum escape. I'll reconsider my vote if peeker shows up. Consider our a pressure vote. Are you protecting peeker for a reason?
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Post by texcat on Aug 18, 2013 20:04:18 GMT -5
** consider it a pressure vote ** I'm not sure how it got auto corrected to our. I shouldn't try to type on this tablet.
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Post by swammerdami on Aug 18, 2013 22:49:43 GMT -5
I don't understand where you're going with this, SD. You disagree, ergo I'm scummy? " Don't trust survivors" ... Scum wants 3rd-Party MisLynch ... Thus you might be Scum. Holding grudge are you? I was right on Furor's Fist ... And now about you.
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Post by KidVermicious on Aug 18, 2013 23:29:25 GMT -5
Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay... backing away slowly from the crazy man now. Let's have a chat when you're not drunk or whatever you are, hm?
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Post by Colby11 on Aug 18, 2013 23:59:52 GMT -5
Well, I was assuming that Peeks would show up in some form eventually
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Post by scáthach on Aug 19, 2013 5:22:36 GMT -5
I agree with theseBut KidV (and Texcat) don't. Scummy? Vote KidV I don't understand where you're going with this, SD. You disagree, ergo I'm scummy? Is there something about your opinion that informs the rest of us what we should be doing to be good little Townies? Or is this a joke vote? Well arguably lynching 3rd party players is pro-scum as it moves closer to the scum wincon without affecting the town one. So there's that.
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Post by Paranoia on Aug 19, 2013 7:35:27 GMT -5
Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay... backing away slowly from the crazy man now. Let's have a chat when you're not drunk or whatever you are, hm? I'd suppose you would actually notice all of their posts have been, you know. Haiku. Kind of feels like something quirky to me, so as it stands I'm reading this post as kinda snipey using their probable quirk as a means to discredit. Vote: KidVIn other news to people who hopped on abstain for his vote: Negative feelings. My username. 1 + 1 = grapefruit. Or something to that effect. It's a silly joke based off of my username, and is not actually something worth chasing a mailman up a tree over.
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 19, 2013 9:57:15 GMT -5
I haven't seen anything truly suspicious, but there is something that bothers me. This confuses me. (Pizza's game allowed PMs!) Mod: Please clarify. That is what I thought But I like things crystal clear. Am I lawyer-like? I agree with theseBut KidV (and Texcat) don't. Scummy? Vote KidV " Don't trust survivors" ... Scum wants 3rd-Party MisLynch ... Thus you might be Scum. [quote source="/post/108457/thread" timestamp="1376855252" author="@kidvermiciousholding grudge are you? I was right on Furor's Fist ... And now about you. Why do you post thusly? We know there are no post restrictions in this game, so your behavior requires explanation. vote swammerdami for posting strangely without a satisfactory explanation.
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Post by swammerdami on Aug 19, 2013 10:08:17 GMT -5
Haiku restriction Is self-imposed and forces Fewer Swammi posts
Tersity should please! If more details are needed I'll post two Haikus
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Post by Silver Jan on Aug 19, 2013 10:50:06 GMT -5
Haiku restriction Is self-imposed and forces Fewer Swammi posts Tersity should please! If more details are needed I'll post two Haikus Why do you want a self imposed restriction that makes people suspicious of you?
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Post by KidVermicious on Aug 19, 2013 10:57:43 GMT -5
I don't understand where you're going with this, SD. You disagree, ergo I'm scummy? Is there something about your opinion that informs the rest of us what we should be doing to be good little Townies? Or is this a joke vote? Well arguably lynching 3rd party players is pro-scum as it moves closer to the scum wincon without affecting the town one. So there's that. That's absolutely true, and I've already said that if we can trust a player claiming third party non-hostile is what they're claiming to be, that we can mostly leave them alone. But the problem comes in getting enough information to actually trust that claim. Scum want Town to trust 3rd party claims, because it makes it easier for them to false claim.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Aug 19, 2013 11:04:59 GMT -5
Sometimes. But if the lynch comes down to a scum or third party things change.
[oog] I am traveling today and it kinda started on Friday already. May be not as talkative till next Mon.[/oog]
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Post by KidVermicious on Aug 19, 2013 11:08:53 GMT -5
Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaay... backing away slowly from the crazy man now. Let's have a chat when you're not drunk or whatever you are, hm? I'd suppose you would actually notice all of their posts have been, you know. Haiku. Kind of feels like something quirky to me, so as it stands I'm reading this post as kinda snipey using their probable quirk as a means to discredit. Vote: KidVNo, actually I didn't notice he was posting in haiku, I was too busy being flabbergasted by his bizarre reasons for voting me (ie, we have a different opinion about whether to trust 3rd party claims, and now apparently because he's still mad over stuff that happened in a previous game).
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Post by Pleonast on Aug 19, 2013 11:12:20 GMT -5
Haiku restriction Is self-imposed and forces Fewer Swammi posts Tersity should please! If more details are needed I'll post two Haikus Fewer posts is bad. Unless a player is spamming, more posts are more useful. Terseness does not add value either. That's absolutely true, and I've already said that if we can trust a player claiming third party non-hostile is what they're claiming to be, that we can mostly leave them alone. But the problem comes in getting enough information to actually trust that claim. There's no need for "trust". We simply need to weigh the benefits of keeping a particular third-party play alive versus the penalties for killing them. There's potential rewards and risks either way. Plus, a third party that claims is going to be more of threat to scum than to town. A claimed third-party is going to be scrutinized for anti-town behavior, and will probably do as much as possible to help town, to avoid the lynch themself. That makes them a prime target for scum, who likely advance their win conditions no matter who they kill. Scum want Town to trust 3rd party claims, because it makes it easier for them to false claim. Scum rarely claim third party, because of the huge amount of suspicion third parties typically accrue. If you're going to lie, you might as well lie in a way that generates the most benefit for yourself.
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Post by KidVermicious on Aug 19, 2013 11:30:25 GMT -5
Sometimes. But if the lynch comes down to a scum or third party things change. Agreed.
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Post by Paranoia on Aug 19, 2013 11:44:51 GMT -5
Scum want Town to trust 3rd party claims, because it makes it easier for them to false claim. Scum rarely claim third party. Third party does not say 'town helpful' to town, something they can /risk/ to keep around. Third party usually has the town scrambling to find some way of 'dealing' with the third party, through vigging or lynching. It just doesn't come with the wriggle room scum want to keep from getting lynched, so proposing that scum want town to 'trust' third party claims is silly. What scum want is for town to trust their claims, not anyone elses. No one else matters as long as the town trusts their claims.
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Post by Paranoia on Aug 19, 2013 11:47:02 GMT -5
Bloody quotes how do they work?
Everything 'said' by kidv in that post was from me, just getting confounded by quote tags. The bit by scathach was from Kidv.
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