Night One: I Take My Leave

[storyteller0910]

NIGHT ONE

Letters in the sky, forged of fire, as the sun sets:

I congratulate you, and thank you. Though you have always seen through my disguise, though you are still yet to do so, still I have learned from the process. For all that I can do, I am too far gone from you to pose as one of you. You have elected me first to be removed, and though your guns and knives will not destroy me, I will respect your choice and allow the game I have created to continue without further interference. Little is as it appears to be, and I look forward to watching how you fit the many pieces together. I take my leave.

The flames fade; there is a pregnant pause, and then, moments thereafter, five more words:

In short:

Bah! Go Scum.

And then Mahaloth was gone, bound for another realm, a realm of strange alien landscapes and spoilers as far as the eye can see.

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Mahaloth, who was Dr. Manhattan (Jon Osterman), Uncorrupted (Scum) Godfather, has been lynched.

Night One begins now and will end at 7:00PM Eastern on Sunday, August 25 (I will be out of Town this weekend and not available to end the Night until then). Game discussion may continue throughout the Night; please submit any Night actions prior to the deadline above.

[texcat]

Yay!!

[dizzymrslizzy]

Woot Woot! Scum on D1!

[BillMc]

Sweet indeed.
Uncorrupted godfather....so someone can corrupt players - whatever corruption is?

[Pleonast]

Aug 22, 2013 13:31:07 GMT -5 BillMc said:

Sweet indeed.
Uncorrupted godfather....so someone can corrupt players - whatever corruption is?

Busted! You are either not town, or have not read your own victory condition.

[Silver Jan]

Brilliant

[scáthach]

Sweet. sorry I missed end of day, looks like ye had it covered.

Sent from my GT-N7100 using proboards

[Sister Coyote]

Wow. Hot damn and all that good stuff.

And also what scathach said. Last night and today have not been the greatest in meatspace but things are looking up.

[Mahaloth]

Scum or not, I hate to get lynched in a matter of a few hours where I was away. Yikes.

Good job, folks! Go scum!

Back to getting lynched on Day One! And I'm scum for the third time out of the last four games!

[KidVermicious]

Nice.

[Sister Coyote]

Aug 22, 2013 13:42:27 GMT -5 Pleonast said:

Aug 22, 2013 13:31:07 GMT -5 BillMc said:

Sweet indeed.
Uncorrupted godfather....so someone can corrupt players - whatever corruption is?

Busted! You are either not town, or have not read your own victory condition.

Or any of the color.

[texcat]

And I thought it was just my posts that people were not reading.

[patricia]

That was awesome - catching scum on Day One. Now I'm not so sorry that I voted for texcat with bad information as it led to a lazy bandwagon scum vote and he got lynched on it. I do promise to texcat to stay off my phone for the rest of the game and only post from my computer. Beside I won't be voting for texcat again this game as she is town.

[patricia]

oog - who is thingyman who is sending me messages?

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

Yay! Got busy there myself for the past few days, but y'all did just fine.

[Colby11]

Aug 22, 2013 17:03:43 GMT -5 patricia said:

oog - who is thingyman who is sending me messages?

See metagame posting, he put a post there

[gnarlycharlie]

nice to wake up to this. scum on D1 is a rarity.

[abstain]

Sweet. FoS: Bill for that post, you'll have my vote come morning.

EDIT: Apologies for missing the backend of the phase, my schedule got a bit hectic. I'll throw my analysis hat into the ring later tonight, did a quick skim of the last few pages, want to look into that in more detail. Should be able to pick another scumbag out from there with any luck.

[FruitAndGarbage]

Wow! That's a heck of a turnaround from "KidV is vote leader and there's minimal suspicion on Mahaloth" when I went to sleep last night to "Mahaloth is lynched as scum" when I got home from my second job this evening.

Nice!

[Paranoia]

Aug 22, 2013 13:31:07 GMT -5 BillMc said:

Sweet indeed.
Uncorrupted godfather....so someone can corrupt players - whatever corruption is?

I think that was faction name, not something mechanicy.

Either way, certainly is something nice to wake up to.

[KidV]

Aug 22, 2013 17:01:50 GMT -5 patricia said:

Beside I won't be voting for texcat again this game as she is town.

I think you forgot to finish this paragraph.

[Pleonast]

Aug 22, 2013 15:43:54 GMT -5 Sister Coyote said:

Aug 22, 2013 13:42:27 GMT -5 Pleonast said:

Busted! You are either not town, or have not read your own victory condition.

Or any of the color.

Well, I haven't read any of the color (because I almost never do anyway, plus the moderator has promised that the color would be misleading this game) so I wouldn't know about that. But I find it very unusual for a player to not have read their own victory condition.

The thing is, not knowing about "uncorrupted" is not really a scum tell, but a non-town tell. Scum are presumably going to know who the uncorrupted are, being them themselves. And any town will know as well. Therefore, Bill's slip is fairly certainly shows that they are either third-party or a win-stealer.

Bill had better be seriously thinking about claiming now, less some trigger-happy vigilante (not me ) takes out them Tonight.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

I'm putting silverjan in the "not scum" column. They bumped Mahaloth from being tied at three votes to the lynch leader at four votes. I think it highly unlikely that scum would do this. I'd give some credit to dizzymrslizzy as well for bringing the total up to five votes.

Isn't it nice to be able to analyze at Night?

[FruitAndGarbage]

That's a big part of why I advocate lynching active players early on! I'd definitely agree that silverjan is in a pretty not-scum (but not necessarily not-anti-town) position, but I'd be hesitant to read much into dizzymrslizzy's alignment based on her vote: by the time she'd voted, mahaloth was pretty clearly going to be the day's lynchee, and I've seen too many scum jump on a doomed scummate late in the voting process to get a little bit of town cred to trust her more than anyone else yet.

That said, I don't think you were saying "Oh, lizzy's clear" or anything. Just mentioning I don't really feel like I agree with the reasoning behind reading her as light town yet.

Conversely, I'm a little leery of Patricia now that Mahaloth flipped scum: it'd be a pretty rookie move on their part of they were coaligned and that clumsily trying to vote together, but it's still worth considering. I'm not voting for her just yet – for all I know, Mahaloth was just trying to opportunistically latch onto what he saw as an easy vote – but she's on my list of People To Watch now.

[Sister Coyote]

@pleo -- my bad. I meant the Rules post.

[BillMc]

I seem to be in a bit of a catch22 - get damned for not posting much because I'm travelling - or get damned for making short posts when I have a few minutes. I'm home for a few days now and after sleeping for 16hrs I now have some time to respond.

Fair point - I pretty much skimmed over the colour and pretty much think in terms of town and scum.

Similarly, your analysis of the game setup was in terms of town and scum not watchmen and uncorrupted.

The point I was badly trying to make was in relation to recruitment. Corrupting the uncorrupted as recruitment? Beyond seeing the Watchman movie, I know nothing of the genre, so it my be blatantly obvious to someone who is that I'm barking up the wrong tree.

Your argument is that town would know their own win condition, that scum would know they are uncorrupted - therefore I must be 3rd/pfk because I supposedly didnt know? Yet, uncorrupted is stated in the sample pm - so it is not knowledge that was secret to town and scum.

And no Pleo, while you can continue with your breadcrumb routine, I am not going to claim. I am not going to give scum a leg up by revealing my role. If someone with investigative powers wants to examine me, feel free, I have nothing to hide.

Aug 22, 2013 20:21:07 GMT -5 FruitAndGarbage said:

Wow! That's a heck of a turnaround from "KidV is vote leader and there's minimal suspicion on Mahaloth" when I went to sleep last night to "Mahaloth is lynched as scum" when I got home from my second job this evening.

Yes, I was very surprised at this - KidV throws a bit of a tantrum over the votes he is getting, then it's a swing to mahaloth, and now Pleo is declaring Jan as town -- nothing like a good bussing to gain town cred -- as we've seen in several recent games.

[BillMc]

It was a very strange end of day

22/3.45pm #167 vote count (reordered to show the order in which they reached 3 votes, UK times)
Texcat (3) – silverjan (#106), patricia (#124), mahaloth (#125) (20th 9.44pm)
…Cookies (3) – Meeko (#50*), gnarlycharly (#139), scathach (#142) (21st 1.11pm)
Colby11 (3) – BillMc (#122), Sister Coyote (#123), KidVermicious (#164) (22nd 11.55am)
Mahaloth (3) – texcat (#126), Colby11 (#163), Pleonast (#166) (22nd 3.13pm)
KidVermicious (2) – FruitandGarbage (#58*), swammerdami (#67)
Pleonast (2) – dizzymrslizzy, Jaade (#115)
Paranoia (1) – abstain (#25*)
Meeko (1) – Paranoia (#30*)
Swammerdami (1) - …Cookies (#135)

Texcat had been the lynch candidate for almost 48 hrs
With 7hrs to go we have a three way tie, but Texcat is still the candidate.
With 4hrs to go Mahaloth now joins the tie, tho Texcat is still the candidate.

22/4.30pm #168 Jan switches from Texcat to Mahaloth, thinks that texcat may be town.

With 2.5 hrs to go, Mahaloth is the lynch leader - and there is no move from anyone to save him. Indeed, the only further vote is from Dizzy switching from Pleo (22/6.31pm). Tho this could be Dizzy trying to get some town cred.
Day ends at 7pm.

So it looks likely the scum team were not around to try and save mahaloth.

I'd lean towards Pleo being non-scum - with a three way tie it would be a bad scum play to make it a four way (unless all the other lynch targets were also scum and mahaloth was the lowest value scum to lose)
I'd also lean towards Jan being town. If Jan is scum then Texcat would be scum too and more valuable than Mahaloth.

Abstain, Fruit&Garbage, Paranoia and Meeko effectively took no part in the day beyond a joke vote (marked with *).
No vote from Peeker.

Looking back at the joke votes and mahaloth's interaction with them:

#25 Abstain votes Paranoia
#29 Mahaloth comments on the rest of Abstains post, but not on his vote
#30 Paranoia votes Meeko
#36 Gnarly questions Abstains (#25) vote
#38 Jan questions #30 and #25
#39 SisC questions #25
#50 Meeko random votes Cookies
#58 Fruit votes KidV
#60 Texcat votes Peeker
#64 Mahaloth now calls bullshit on #25, and #60; no comments on the other votes
#66 Colby votes texcat for voting for peeker
#67 Swammer votes KidV for taking a black and white town v non-town position

It seems strange that Mahaloth originally did not call bull on Abstain's vote but did so later. Maybe he couldn't call bull on Texcat's without going back and pointing out Abstain; but unlike others he didn't question the other randomish votes. Potentially Mahaloth was defending Abstain and Peeker.


other questions/comments on posts that caught my eye on a re-read

Aug 15, 2013 17:29:58 GMT -5 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies said:

While scum/pfk machinations can certainly be a variable in that equation that is to be expected. It is in the risk assessment of the Town players and non-win-stealing 3rd parties where we can maybe flesh out a less risk-averse strategy ahead of time.

This kinda sounds like you want to have this strategy in place to make a future 3rd party claim less suicidal.

Aug 15, 2013 19:16:57 GMT -5 abstain said:

Can't imagine Pleo having a standard power role if he says he will claim and in the first post no less.

Ok, I'll bite - why do you think he would be "non standard"?
Pleo's effectively stuck a big target on himself - so could be killed tonight. But by putting the target on himself he may also be protected, or he may be watched. He could be vanilla and doing the target thing to flush out other power roles; and of course, the opposite is also true - due to the risk of him being watched everyone else will leave him alone. So lots of possibilities, but I'm somewhat at a loss as to why you would assume "non standard".


#106

Aug 20, 2013 3:32:34 GMT -5 Silver Jan said:

Because it's not as if Peeks just popped his head in and said "Hi" and vanished. Texcat voted for him when he hadn't said a word and she hasn't unvoted. How can you get a scum feel for someone who just hasn't shown up?

How do you know he hasn't shown up? All that can be said is that he hasn't posted in the game.

[ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies]

Aug 24, 2013 18:28:50 GMT -5 BillMc said:

Aug 15, 2013 17:29:58 GMT -5 ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies said:

While scum/pfk machinations can certainly be a variable in that equation that is to be expected. It is in the risk assessment of the Town players and non-win-stealing 3rd parties where we can maybe flesh out a less risk-averse strategy ahead of time.

This kinda sounds like you want to have this strategy in place to make a future 3rd party claim less suicidal.

Just trying to get the juices flowing with some D1 conversating.

3rd party lynches are mis lynches from a win condition perspective, but many folks feel better about playing as if that is not the case. I have been one of those people in the past. I have also been a pro-town 3rd party killed off just because of this mindset. It can come down to winning or losing and that seems like just the thing to hash out when there isn't much to talk about.

[Jaade]

Awesome that we caught scum on the first Day! Sorry I wasn't around to see it, I dropped my daughter off at college Thursday/Friday. I have some catching up to do.

[abstain]

Ok, I'll bite - why do you think he would be "non standard"?
Pleo's effectively stuck a big target on himself - so could be killed tonight. But by putting the target on himself he may also be protected, or he may be watched. He could be vanilla and doing the target thing to flush out other power roles; and of course, the opposite is also true - due to the risk of him being watched everyone else will leave him alone. So lots of possibilities, but I'm somewhat at a loss as to why you would assume "non standard".

Non standard because my thinking at the time (when I didn't know how pleo played) was that you wouldn't claim doc/vig/cop, etc because you'd be killed too early most likely. He could be a bus driver, or something relevant more to the theme, I dunno, but he said he'll claim so I'm happy to let him go on his merry way until he does so, certainly now that it is unlikely for him to be mafia. Silver Jan is a good watch/track/protect, etc target as well. I don't see it in her to bus her teammate in that situation, Dizzy I can see jumping on the bandwagon though as the vote was already in teh lead, but again, see what the night brings and how she acts at the start of the day before I really actually accuse her.

In any case, no idea whats happening with peeker obviously, silver and pleo are likely town, I like that f/g has the same principle as me on D1, see how that pans out following the next phase.

I'm pretty happy to put a vote on Bill as I said earlier, pressure on him because of that slip is good.

KidV threw a tantrum which I spose is like KidV (only joking), he was angry when they lynched me in Star Trek, now he's angry when they were going to lynch him. Can't win em all Kid. In any case, I'm willing to give him a pass for the next day, seems similar to when he is town.

[abstain]

I'd also be happy with a vote on Cookies, seemed to me to put a lazy vote on sept, Colby I'm also happy to vote, scummy as all get out.

Texcat is always pretty scummy so not much can be done there, give her a day before I make a proper decision. Though I'm leaning town because I like what she has done so far (even with her scummitude).

Finally, patricia seems lost, so I'm marking her down as possible townie unless thats how she plays.

There are other I'm not commenting on, but going into tomorrow, the people I want to put pressure on are as follows:

Bill, Dizzy, Colby and F/G for a post he//she made in the thread above,