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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 3, 2013 16:24:22 GMT -5
... It looks like a foregone conclusion with KidV. I do have issue with Patricia's vote in #99 (which was invalid) - "i don't want to waste my vote, but let me make sure kidv get's lynched" putting him at 5 votes; but you fixed the vote in #133 making it 6. I think you are scum playing safe. I absolutely 100% do not follow you here, swammer. How is patricia moving her vote to KidV, now known Town, in any way related to the relative Scumminess of herself or abstain? If anything, I'd say giving a Townie a longer lead is definitely a good motivation for Scum, don't you think? |
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 3, 2013 17:07:47 GMT -5
I absolutely 100% do not follow you here, swammer. How is patricia moving her vote to KidV, now known Town, in any way related to the relative Scumminess of herself or abstain? If anything, I'd say giving a Townie a longer lead is definitely a good motivation for Scum, don't you think? (I do not understand your "Patricia is likely to catch a lot of heat toMorrow and knows it, I think" comment either.) It is BillMc (and you perhaps) who think Patricia is Scummy. I'm trying to understand why. I'm sure I'm overlooking something obvious but both your comment and Bill's seem cryptic. If Patricia were Scum trying to give KidV a bigger vote lead, that would suggest that Lynch-vote runner-up might be Scum. Runner-up was abstain (followed by me). I'm not suggesting that she is Scum, just trying to understand Bill's suspicion. Better would be for Bill (or you) to just explain. |
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 3, 2013 17:24:44 GMT -5
Actually, I started a longer post about this and then realized there were two factors that were pinging me:
First, her "fix this" post and vote, which I did not understand at all when I first read it until I realized (today, as I was writing up that longer post) was related to her post 99 wherein she said she didn't want her vote to be "wasted." Which is a whole other complaint I have expressed.
Second was her comment last Night about having a low posting volume so that Pleo would be likely to investigate her.
My statement was my thinking that other people would find her "fix this" vote Scummy. In hindsight, I'm probably the only one who misinterpreted it as an unexplained one-off vote. You will note I do not have a vote down on Patricia which I would if I were convinced she was Scum.
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Post by texcat on Sept 3, 2013 18:39:51 GMT -5
Swammer, I can explain my vote for Patricia, although I'm not sure you are asking me.
First there was her bad vote for me on D1, the one that Mahaloth agreed with. I pointed out her bad information about me and she agreed she had made a mistake, but left her vote.
Yesterday there was her vote on Cookies that seemed to me to have a few logic problems which I pointed out.
I also don't like her overnight statement about not posting Today.
And I think that Abstain could very likely be scum. I did vote for him Yesterday, but am willing to let his bomb situation play out for a day or two.
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Post by scáthach on Sept 4, 2013 4:23:26 GMT -5
Since I know you have no perfect information that would lead you to believe that I have been strategically avoiding anything, we're down to Townie confirmation bias or Scummy sabotage. I can't believe I am continuing to have this argument about a D1 case, but one more time, I said you were avoiding things because you were in the high end of the post count but had avoided discussing any of the cases that were made and instead put down a policy vote on swammerdami because of posting style. That is literally it. You keep repeating that I smeared you, but I didn't. I voted you, you just don't think my case was good. On to patricia, I think that's probably the most solid case made today. Particularly last nights comment about deliberately trying to have a low post count so that she would be investigated. It just doesn't sound like a townie motivation. Vote: patricia |
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 4, 2013 5:17:45 GMT -5
This is a game where language and wording choice means a lot, so I'm going to keep coming back to you as long as your word choices are loaded and unequivocal, because you are wrong in the judgements you are making, and I find unequivocal statements to be scummy at worst and anti-town at best, as I have previously explained.
So which is it? Do you think I was consciously choosing not to comment on the cases against the D1 lynch leaders, or 'any' cases? Because I did in fact comment on some D1 cases, and just because I didn't happen to comment on some cases doesn't mean I was avoiding commenting on them.
When you order a beer at the bar, it doesn't mean you're avoiding hard alcohol. Sometimes it just means that you want a beer.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 4, 2013 6:37:53 GMT -5
It is BillMc (and you perhaps) who think Patricia is Scummy. I'm trying to understand why. I'm sure I'm overlooking something obvious but both your comment and Bill's seem cryptic. If Patricia were Scum trying to give KidV a bigger vote lead, that would suggest that Lynch-vote runner-up might be Scum. Runner-up was abstain (followed by me). I'm not suggesting that she is Scum, just trying to understand Bill's suspicion. Better would be for Bill (or you) to just explain. I found Patricia's behaviour yesterday scummy, and stated so here, and expanded upon here and here. I am making no assumption or accusation about Abstain - however your comments seem to suggest that you have additional information that implies that patricia can only be scum if abstain is scum. I'd understand a scum motivation for Patricia if either KidV or abstain were Scum. But now we know KidV was Town. |
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Post by abstain on Sept 4, 2013 7:22:44 GMT -5
If patricia is scum, she is a PFK, not mainline scum. She wouldn't have provided the vote for Mahaloth to latch onto.
In any case, yes she does look shifty. Re: me, that's a strange thing to consider. If I'm scum with mahaloth and patricia, why did mahaloth latch onto his own teammates vote, and then that teammate save me. It's a strange scum tactic and extremely questionable.
Moving forward, I would prefer we not waste this day simply lynching patricia, there are other people we need to talk about as well.
Is Pleo releasing his result at EOD iirc? I'd also like to back up his questioning of sinjin, in why hasn't he/she chosen an alignment yet. Thats a bit FOS worthy to begin with.
Vote: Dizzy because of your posts this phase and Day 1 vote timing. (I'll get to the rest tomorrow, right now I need sleep).
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 4, 2013 7:46:16 GMT -5
I found Patricia's behaviour yesterday scummy, and stated so here, and expanded upon here and here. I am making no assumption or accusation about Abstain - however your comments seem to suggest that you have additional information that implies that patricia can only be scum if abstain is scum. The only time I recall such flailing logic from you in prior games is when you were Scum. Let me make my suspicion official: Vote BillMcI have no strong Town feel for Patricia, but no Scum feel either. The idea that her vote of KidV was Scummy makes sense only if abstain is also Scum. Many of us exhibit lack of logic frequently -- I consider that a Scum tell only when it comes from a strong player like Bill!  Hoping Pleonast investigates her may be weird, but if he does, we may save a misLynch by waiting a Day. I'm interested in two other questions. (1) If we suspect abstain is Scum, should we Lynch him? A reason against is that the Bomb may kill him and save us the trouble. A reason for is that, if it turns out to be a misLynch, we've lost less since the Bomb might have killed him anyway. (2) I wonder if Pleonast is using his Power in a pro-Town fashion. There may be better candidates for Investigation than the ones selected by Pleo's arbitrary scheme. I hope he surprises us toMorrow with "I deviated from my plan, Investigated ______ and discovered they are Scum!" |
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Post by BillMc on Sept 4, 2013 8:04:11 GMT -5
Nope - my point, which you seem to be completely missing - deliberately or otherwise, was that patricia was happy to jump on a kidv bandwagon rather than waste her vote.
It says nothing about the scummitude of abstain - you seem very hung up repeatedly stating abstain and scum
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Post by Meeko on Sept 4, 2013 9:19:04 GMT -5
I'm guessing that SilverJan, being the closest thing that we had to a confirmed town, was the scum target, and that Colby was SilverJan's target. Vote: peeker sinjin Cause that's how I like to start the Day. Unvote: Vote: Meeko Cause being told I can't do something Yesterday just makes me want to do it. Unvote: Vote: Cookies Cause if I vote Meeko, it only seems fair that I vote Cookies. Unvote: Vote: Patricia Cause I think she's scum. I still think Tex is up to something here, and it's not being discussed. Vote: Texcat |
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Post by abstain on Sept 4, 2013 9:24:34 GMT -5
Can't sleep so I'll be around. Whaddya want to talk about meeko.
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Post by texcat on Sept 4, 2013 9:36:08 GMT -5
It's not being discussed because there's nothing here. I made some silly votes to start the Day because I don't like being told that I can't do something. I haven't been voting and unvoting multiple times during previous Days, why would I suddenly start with your mysterious "something"?
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Post by sinjin on Sept 4, 2013 11:18:56 GMT -5
To abstain and Pleo: Honestly; would either of you have believed me if I said I had switched alignments? I plan to play as town, but will you even believe that? If I'm the person you're concerning yourselves with toDay I have to wonder about your motivations.
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Post by abstain on Sept 4, 2013 21:53:22 GMT -5
To abstain and Pleo: Honestly; would either of you have believed me if I said I had switched alignments? I plan to play as town, but will you even believe that? If I'm the person you're concerning yourselves with toDay I have to wonder about your motivations. Yes, I probably would've believed you, because it'd be the best thing to do. However, I mentioned you in one sentence, simply backing up Pleo because I agree with him (and apparently no-one else wants to address the issue). The fact that you are so defensive is setting off alarm bells in my head. You are a third party who can change alignment. That's pretty damn OP. You shouldn't be defensive at all, no-one is voting you, you are under absolutely no pressure to be lynched, you aren't being considered. The only thing people are talking to you about is your unwillingness to pick a side. Another point not in your favour is you've simply just defended yourself and smudged myself and Pleo for actually seeking answers, whereas you are comfortable to remain defensive. And for that and the above I find you suspicious. Suspicious enough to vote for you yes. Money on PFK anyone? Unvote: DizzyVote: sinjin |
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Post by abstain on Sept 4, 2013 21:55:44 GMT -5
You have nothing to fear but are acting like you do. I dislike it.
FoS on Swammer for what I said earlier. More to comer later today.
I want to look more indepth on the KidV lynch too, which I'll get around then.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 4, 2013 22:17:28 GMT -5
Can't sleep so I'll be around. Whaddya want to talk about meeko. There was a recent game, a batman themed game iirc, where a role extra abilities once the player voted for everyone. That player did just that, rapid fire voting and unvoting each player, including himself, in one post. I wonder if Texcat doesn't have a similar mechanic. |
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Post by abstain on Sept 5, 2013 3:59:23 GMT -5
Tally:
4 Patricia (TexCat, Pleonast, BillMc, Scathach)
1 BillMc (Swammerdami)
1 TexCat (Meeko)
1 Sinjin (Abstain)
Not Voting: The rest, 8 of ya.
Waste of a day if we don't start talking. Haven't heard form f/g which is strange, laying low maybe?
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Post by scáthach on Sept 5, 2013 5:46:37 GMT -5
If patricia is scum, she is a PFK, not mainline scum. She wouldn't have provided the vote for Mahaloth to latch onto. Hmm, I like this point actually. It seems unlikely that scum would jump on the poorly thought out bandwagon of another scum. |
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Post by abstain on Sept 5, 2013 7:28:19 GMT -5
Is patricia a PFK or not? I know she's scummy, and her reliance on Pleo's scan suggest PFK with scan immunity if not misguided town.
The people voting for Patricia for some kind of link with Mahaloth are voting for silly reasons. (Metallica, FoS em all).
Scathach, opinion? You're online.
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Post by abstain on Sept 5, 2013 7:59:32 GMT -5
Check in and check out eh cookies?  Anyway, will go over swammer now. |
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Post by abstain on Sept 5, 2013 8:20:10 GMT -5
Yall are trying to make a mountain out of a pig's ear. Holy Mixed Metaphor, Batman Texcat. I was strongly leaning Town on you until this. Got no idea on this. Explain please sept? How do this push tcat to whatever from strong town, and what is it about. ... It looks like a foregone conclusion with KidV. I do have issue with Patricia's vote in #99 (which was invalid) - "i don't want to waste my vote, but let me make sure kidv get's lynched" putting him at 5 votes; but you fixed the vote in #133 making it 6. I think you are scum playing safe.
From yesterdays events, things don't look to rosy for patricia As I explained earlier, the patricia/myself and patricia/mahaloth explanation are completely silly. Confused as to your reasoning, as Bill. I absolutely 100% do not follow you here, swammer. How is patricia moving her vote to KidV, now known Town, in any way related to the relative Scumminess of herself or abstain? If anything, I'd say giving a Townie a longer lead is definitely a good motivation for Scum, don't you think? (I do not understand your "Patricia is likely to catch a lot of heat toMorrow and knows it, I think" comment either.) It is BillMc (and you perhaps) who think Patricia is Scummy. I'm trying to understand why. I'm sure I'm overlooking something obvious but both your comment and Bill's seem cryptic. If Patricia were Scum trying to give KidV a bigger vote lead, that would suggest that Lynch-vote runner-up might be Scum. Runner-up was abstain (followed by me). I'm not suggesting that she is Scum, just trying to understand Bill's suspicion. Better would be for Bill (or you) to just explain. Why would she attempt this so scummily to save me if we were both scum. It'd literally be outing both of us if we were on a team. I found Patricia's behaviour yesterday scummy, and stated so here, and expanded upon here and here. I am making no assumption or accusation about Abstain - however your comments seem to suggest that you have additional information that implies that patricia can only be scum if abstain is scum. The only time I recall such flailing logic from you in prior games is when you were Scum. Let me make my suspicion official: Vote BillMcI have no strong Town feel for Patricia, but no Scum feel either. The idea that her vote of KidV was Scummy makes sense only if abstain is also Scum. Many of us exhibit lack of logic frequently -- I consider that a Scum tell only when it comes from a strong player like Bill! Hoping Pleonast investigates her may be weird, but if he does, we may save a misLynch by waiting a Day. I'm interested in two other questions. (1) If we suspect abstain is Scum, should we Lynch him? A reason against is that the Bomb may kill him and save us the trouble. A reason for is that, if it turns out to be a misLynch, we've lost less since the Bomb might have killed him anyway. (2) I wonder if Pleonast is using his Power in a pro-Town fashion. There may be better candidates for Investigation than the ones selected by Pleo's arbitrary scheme. I hope he surprises us toMorrow with "I deviated from my plan, Investigated ______ and discovered they are Scum!" Patricia is scummy for a few things. Her posts in the night phase especially, and D1 could be seen poorly as well. Pleo is playing the game exactly how it is best for him. If he starts picking favourites, then he will die, if he plays the hardline neutral role, he will live. |
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Post by abstain on Sept 5, 2013 8:23:00 GMT -5
In any case a few questions:
1) Do you believe Patricia is PFK?
2) What do you think of sinjin's ultra defensiveness.
3) Who else besides patricia needs attention?
1) Possible, she is acting very scummily.
2) Explained in an earlier post.
3) Sinjin, Dizzy. Would like to hear from Scat/SisC and Cookies regarding the questions in particular.
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 5, 2013 8:38:38 GMT -5
Holy Mixed Metaphor, Batman Texcat. I was strongly leaning Town on you until this. Got no idea on this. Explain please sept? How do this push tcat to whatever from strong town, and what is it about. As for the disagreement between BillMc and myself, I would appreciate a "show of hands." Consider the following chain: - BillMc: "I found Patricia's behaviour yesterday scummy ... expanded upon ... here"
"Here" points to the following. Is it really an "expansion"? - BillMc: "I would agree things do not look too rosy for Patricia at this point."
Bill is agreeing with a quoted post (my emphasis), which has only brief mention of Patricia: - Paranoia: "bill has already started poking at patricia because if abstain is scum she would have had a clear reason to toss a vote at KidV."
I point out the apparent assumption (that Patricia's behavior, if Scum, relates to abstain's possible scummitude) and get - BillMc: It says nothing about the scummitude of abstain - you seem very hung up repeatedly stating abstain and scum"
So .. show of hands, please. Who is being logical here, Bill or myself? In my experience, Townie Bill makes terse but understandable accusations. Scummy Bill ends up contradicting himself. What we see here is Scummy Bill. |
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Post by abstain on Sept 5, 2013 8:44:21 GMT -5
You americans (I assume) and your 'humor'. Can't even spell it right.  I might be mixing para, bill and yourself up in regards to the patricia comments. Anyway sept, what do you think of sinjin and do you think patricia is scum? (I know you're voting bil, but opinions are opinions) |
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 5, 2013 9:03:17 GMT -5
Anyway sept, what do you think of sinjin and do you think patricia is scum? (I know you're voting bil, but opinions are opinions)  Anyway, I have no strong scum suspects other than BillMc. I have some strong candidates for non-scum, but they don't include Patricia ... or you. Like you I wonder why FandG is quiet. Why don't you tell us what you think of Bill? BTW abstain, can you tell us anything about the Bomb? Maybe you're the Bomber and planted one on yourself to confuse us.  |
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Post by abstain on Sept 5, 2013 9:12:26 GMT -5
I called you sept because you'll always be septimus to me. Swammer is just a phase.  I know nothing other then what was posted in the writeup. Suicide is an interesting tactic yes... About Bill, I find nothing that really grabs me. He's a commentator, and his commentary isn't half bad. Same with nothing on SisC, cookies, scathach, etc. I've had no interaction with them or seen anything that jumps at me. There is probably something in the posts regarding myself and patricia worth sifting through better, but I'll leave that for the moment. What do you think on sinjin's latest post? EDIT: Thanks scathach. Now, sinjin and other suspects, go. |
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Post by scáthach on Sept 5, 2013 9:12:30 GMT -5
Is patricia a PFK or not? I know she's scummy, and her reliance on Pleo's scan suggest PFK with scan immunity if not misguided town. I don't really have an opinion on her being PFK or 3rd party. Unvote: patricia for the moment. |
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Post by scáthach on Sept 5, 2013 9:18:17 GMT -5
To abstain and Pleo: Honestly; would either of you have believed me if I said I had switched alignments? I plan to play as town, but will you even believe that? If I'm the person you're concerning yourselves with toDay I have to wonder about your motivations. But surely you should at least switch away from 3rd party, since you can't win as 3rd party if I understand your role correctly? It doesn't make sense to me that you wouldn't have picked a side. |
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Post by abstain on Sept 5, 2013 9:22:54 GMT -5
He's a survivor if he's third party.
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Hoping Pleonast investigates her may be weird, but if he does, we may save a misLynch by waiting a Day.
