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Post by scáthach on Sept 5, 2013 9:24:31 GMT -5
Not good. They found our other vig! *sigh* neta - will try that again as most of the post got eaten by the board monster They? From "they", I would presume they=scum, and that you were in agreement with Texcat's theory that the scum skilled Jan and Jan killed Colby. But you are in disagreement about Texcat saying that Jan was as near as town confirmed. I'm not following you here. What's the problem with dizzymrslizzy assuming that scum killed Jan and Jan killed Colby?
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Post by patricia on Sept 5, 2013 9:29:18 GMT -5
Well my plan to keep quiet today and try to be scanned is not working as lots of folks are MIA at the moment. I would prefer to be scanned than to claim. But if have to claim I will - however that will be like jumping from the frypan (lynch)to the fire (nightkill). I'm not even sure what a PFK role is but I'm not. It sounds like some kind of killing role (anyone care to explain)?
Seems I'm being voted on for a lot of silly reasons and I'm sure some of my voters are scum looking for a easy lazy place to vote today.
I'm placing my scum token on TexCat
Vote: TexCat
Anytime I have played with Tex and she has been scum and anyone voted for her - she has waited a day then been on them like a dog after a mailman wearing meat pants. If she was town she would simply post a your wrong post. Seems like a easy vote for her to use today so as I'm the vote leader it makes sense for me to put on my meat pants and do a run by today. She got worked up about a day one vote let's see how a day three vote plays out.
As for my vote yesterday. I voted for who I saw as scum early in the day (Cookies) seems no one else wanted to even discuss I changed my vote to KidV as a weak case was made on him which to me was better than leaving a solo vote on Cookies - if that makes me scum than I guess the rest of the voters on KidV are scum as well?
Anyway, I would welcome a scan so if anyone else can please do so, I don't see the point in asking Mister I'm flipping a coin because I don't need to help either team to meet my wincon to scan me and the number of low posters this day is off the charts.
On a side note: Abstain you don't seem to worried about that bomb - care to tell us why???
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Post by scáthach on Sept 5, 2013 9:29:49 GMT -5
He's a survivor if he's third party. Ah, upon reread, so she is. So she's taking the risk of being killed which is a loss for her, rather than going with either scum or town and hoping for the best at endgame if she's killed. Interesting, but I don't think scummy necessarily. I presume she would change alignment to whatever looks likeliest if she lasts into endgame. The only risk I see is if she's lying about not counting towards the scum wincon if she chooses to win with scum.
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Post by abstain on Sept 5, 2013 9:30:41 GMT -5
Because I can't do anything about it.
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Post by abstain on Sept 5, 2013 9:34:38 GMT -5
Well my plan to keep quiet today and try to be scanned is not working as lots of folks are MIA at the moment. I would prefer to be scanned than to claim. But if have to claim I will - however that will be like jumping from the frypan (lynch)to the fire (nightkill). I'm not even sure what a PFK role is but I'm not. It sounds like some kind of killing role (anyone care to explain)? Seems I'm being voted on for a lot of silly reasons and I'm sure some of my voters are scum looking for a easy lazy place to vote today. I'm placing my scum token on TexCat Vote: TexCat Anytime I have played with Tex and she has been scum and anyone voted for her - she has waited a day then been on them like a dog after a mailman wearing meat pants. If she was town she would simply post a your wrong post. Seems like a easy vote for her to use today so as I'm the vote leader it makes sense for me to put on my meat pants and do a run by today. She got worked up about a day one vote let's see how a day three vote plays out. As for my vote yesterday. I voted for who I saw as scum early in the day (Cookies) seems no one else wanted to even discuss I changed my vote to KidV as a weak case was made on him which to me was better than leaving a solo vote on Cookies - if that makes me scum than I guess the rest of the voters on KidV are scum as well? Anyway, I would welcome a scan so if anyone else can please do so, I don't see the point in asking Mister I'm flipping a coin because I don't need to help either team to meet my wincon to scan me and the number of low posters this day is off the charts. On a side note: Abstain you don't seem to worried about that bomb - care to tell us why??? You've claimed third party then?
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Post by patricia on Sept 5, 2013 9:44:31 GMT -5
Well my plan to keep quiet today and try to be scanned is not working as lots of folks are MIA at the moment. I would prefer to be scanned than to claim. But if have to claim I will - however that will be like jumping from the frypan (lynch)to the fire (nightkill). I'm not even sure what a PFK role is but I'm not. It sounds like some kind of killing role (anyone care to explain)? Seems I'm being voted on for a lot of silly reasons and I'm sure some of my voters are scum looking for a easy lazy place to vote today. I'm placing my scum token on TexCat Vote: TexCat Anytime I have played with Tex and she has been scum and anyone voted for her - she has waited a day then been on them like a dog after a mailman wearing meat pants. If she was town she would simply post a your wrong post. Seems like a easy vote for her to use today so as I'm the vote leader it makes sense for me to put on my meat pants and do a run by today. She got worked up about a day one vote let's see how a day three vote plays out. As for my vote yesterday. I voted for who I saw as scum early in the day (Cookies) seems no one else wanted to even discuss I changed my vote to KidV as a weak case was made on him which to me was better than leaving a solo vote on Cookies - if that makes me scum than I guess the rest of the voters on KidV are scum as well? Anyway, I would welcome a scan so if anyone else can please do so, I don't see the point in asking Mister I'm flipping a coin because I don't need to help either team to meet my wincon to scan me and the number of low posters this day is off the charts. On a side note: Abstain you don't seem to worried about that bomb - care to tell us why??? You've claimed third party then? All I have claimed so far is non scum and non PFK
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Post by abstain on Sept 5, 2013 9:45:55 GMT -5
Ah misread sorry. I think most people would claim that too. You're very defensive.
Alright, thoughts on Sinjin and Bill, go.
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Post by texcat on Sept 5, 2013 10:33:45 GMT -5
Well my plan to keep quiet today and try to be scanned is not working as lots of folks are MIA at the moment. I would prefer to be scanned than to claim. But if have to claim I will - however that will be like jumping from the frypan (lynch)to the fire (nightkill). I'm not even sure what a PFK role is but I'm not. It sounds like some kind of killing role (anyone care to explain)? Seems I'm being voted on for a lot of silly reasons and I'm sure some of my voters are scum looking for a easy lazy place to vote today. I'm placing my scum token on TexCat Vote: TexCat Anytime I have played with Tex and she has been scum and anyone voted for her - she has waited a day then been on them like a dog after a mailman wearing meat pants. If she was town she would simply post a your wrong post. Seems like a easy vote for her to use today so as I'm the vote leader it makes sense for me to put on my meat pants and do a run by today. She got worked up about a day one vote let's see how a day three vote plays out. As for my vote yesterday. I voted for who I saw as scum early in the day (Cookies) seems no one else wanted to even discuss I changed my vote to KidV as a weak case was made on him which to me was better than leaving a solo vote on Cookies - if that makes me scum than I guess the rest of the voters on KidV are scum as well? Anyway, I would welcome a scan so if anyone else can please do so, I don't see the point in asking Mister I'm flipping a coin because I don't need to help either team to meet my wincon to scan me and the number of low posters this day is off the charts. On a side note: Abstain you don't seem to worried about that bomb - care to tell us why??? Italics mine. Really? You expect us to believe that you've played long enough to know how I act as town, but not long enough to know what a PFK role is? And weren't interested enough to find out? Oddly enough, I did post a few "you're wrong, Patricia, posts". Three iirc. I'm leaving my vote on you, but correcting my reason to "Cause I think she's PFK."
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Post by BillMc on Sept 5, 2013 11:39:17 GMT -5
Got no idea on this. Explain please sept? How do this push tcat to whatever from strong town, and what is it about. This was nothing more nor less than an attempt at humor. Sorry I omitted the smiley.As for the disagreement between BillMc and myself, I would appreciate a "show of hands." Consider the following chain: - BillMc: "I found Patricia's behaviour yesterday scummy ... expanded upon ... here"
"Here" points to the following. Is it really an "expansion"? - BillMc: "I would agree things do not look too rosy for Patricia at this point."
Bill is agreeing with a quoted post (my emphasis), which has only brief mention of Patricia: - Paranoia: "bill has already started poking at patricia because if abstain is scum she would have had a clear reason to toss a vote at KidV."
I point out the apparent assumption (that Patricia's behavior, if Scum, relates to abstain's possible scummitude) and get - BillMc: It says nothing about the scummitude of abstain - you seem very hung up repeatedly stating abstain and scum"
So .. show of hands, please. Who is being logical here, Bill or myself? In my experience, Townie Bill makes terse but understandable accusations. Scummy Bill ends up contradicting himself. What we see here is Scummy Bill. I am not contradicting myself - you are implying that I thought abstain was scummy. As your quote above shows, Paranoia said that, not me. Stop twisting my words - your own twisted haiku's made more sense. I don't see any pro-town motivation for her behaviour yesterday, nor for her "keep quiet and investigate me" approach to today. As for Paranoia, apart from his assertion about abstain, the other thing that pings me was his "colby is third party" "mis-remember" at the end of D2, which turned out to be true.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 5, 2013 12:00:43 GMT -5
In any case a few questions: 1) Do you believe Patricia is PFK? 2) What do you think of sinjin's ultra defensiveness. 3) Who else besides patricia needs attention? I currently have no read on you or patricia. My feeling she was suspicious yesterDay/last Night was largely based on a) my own dislike of "wasted vote" arguments and b) my inability to put her vote-in-error on KidV and her "fix this" post together. I think that it is not beyond a Scum patricia to want KidV to have a longer lead than he did at the time she originally intended to vote him. But I also think it's not beyond a Town patricia to do the same thing, if she genuinely believed he was Scum. I do not like her "test me, test me!" post from last Night, but I'm not going to vote her for it. Yet. I think sinjin is playing catch-up and her role could (kind of literally) go either way. EVERYBODY (well, except me of course ) needs attention. Any one could be scum/PFK. And swammer and bill are making my head hurt. But that said, I still don't think Bill is playing the way he would as Town, and as such: Vote: BillMc
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 5, 2013 12:03:29 GMT -5
For the record, swammer, I don't think either of you are behaving particularly logically.
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 5, 2013 12:16:22 GMT -5
For the record, swammer, I don't think either of you are behaving particularly logically. Oh, I've definitely been behaving illogically for more than six decades now. I just wonder if that particular argument were logical.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 5, 2013 13:51:05 GMT -5
neta - will try that again as most of the post got eaten by the board monster They? From "they", I would presume they=scum, and that you were in agreement with Texcat's theory that the scum skilled Jan and Jan killed Colby. But you are in disagreement about Texcat saying that Jan was as near as town confirmed. I'm not following you here. What's the problem with dizzymrslizzy assuming that scum killed Jan and Jan killed Colby? "They found our other vig!" seems a strange turn of phrase. For example, "The scum found our other mason" would seem more normal - a) use of scum rather than they and b) you would expect more than one mason. The use of "they" also seems like hedging of bets on who killed Jan. On re-reading yesterday, I now see where paranoia thought colby had claimed/outted as 3rd See here's the problem with your Haiku's Septimus..... "Colby is not Scum" .....Is this your opinion? Do you have information to confirm this? Did Swammer respond to this? How did he know Colby was not scum?
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Post by texcat on Sept 5, 2013 14:16:30 GMT -5
In any case a few questions: 1) Do you believe Patricia is PFK? 2) What do you think of sinjin's ultra defensiveness. 3) Who else besides patricia needs attention? 1) Possible, she is acting very scummily. 2) Explained in an earlier post. 3) Sinjin, Dizzy. Would like to hear from Scat/SisC and Cookies regarding the questions in particular. I continue answering questions not directed at me. 1. YES! 2. Sinjin has claimed non-recruitable 3rd party. Pleo confirmed that she was 3rd party. Surely we have bigger fish to fry. And I'm not sure I'd characterize her actions as ultra defensive. 3. I agree about Dizzy. I don't like the way she blatantly claimed town cred for the Mahaloth lynch, and then was so confused when I said that SilverJan was our most townie player. And then she got quiet. Not good signs in my book. Abstain, what are your current thoughts about Fruit who has gone missing?
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Sept 5, 2013 14:19:05 GMT -5
Ugh, I have just been... Ridiculously slammed at work lately. Both jobs are tentatively training me towards middle-management positions and I now have zero days off per week. I've been following the day when I get a few seconds (as you'll notice if you check my profile... if this forum has this functionality, I guess), but haven't had time to articulate anything. I've taken some notes on my thoughts, and plan to post later tonight (probably, oh, seven hours from now? Eight?). I'm not ducking the game or avoiding having been on a town lynch, I just super don't have time lately.
Who even invented jobs anyway is what I want to know. I mean come on!
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 5, 2013 15:44:47 GMT -5
/OOG I haven't been quiet. I've had quite an ordeal going on here this week. I had my wallet stolen from me, and I've been on the phone constantly over the last 5 days trying to get some kind of credit card/debit card so that I can put food on the table, and do other basics and putting everything back together. Add to that the first day of school for my Kindergartner was Tuesday, and I'm Jewish and just got home from Temple, that's my absence. I'm sorry I didn't make this a priority, anyone who is FB friends with me (Jan, Carlo, Ren, Idle) can confirm the above.
I have to do a good re-read of today, and I hope to be back later tonight to do so. I just wanted to check in and say I'm here, and not hiding/not posting.
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Post by Pleonast on Sept 5, 2013 15:48:58 GMT -5
Sorry for not posting much; I've been sick and still am. Responding as I read. I found Patricia's behaviour yesterday scummy, and stated so here, and expanded upon here and here. I am making no assumption or accusation about Abstain - however your comments seem to suggest that you have additional information that implies that patricia can only be scum if abstain is scum. I'm more confused than ever. Your first "here" seemed to assume KidV was Scum. Another "here" was nothing more than "I would agree things do not look too rosy for Patricia at this point" in response to Paranoia's "and bill has already started poking at patricia because if abstain is scum she would have had a clear reason to toss a vote at KidV." IOW, your accusations depend on Scummitude of KidV or abstain, yet you deny this.That's not the impression I got from Bill's reasons. (Although it'd be easier if players restated their cases instead of linking back to a hodgepodge of posts.) The first link accuses patricia of playing it safe by making vote that makes no difference. The second link accuses patricia of "hammering" KidV by putting them two votes up over abstain and Bill. It's not really a cogent argument, but I don't see anything particular scummy about it. (2) I wonder if Pleonast is using his Power in a pro-Town fashion. There may be better candidates for Investigation than the ones selected by Pleo's arbitrary scheme. I hope he surprises us toMorrow with "I deviated from my plan, Investigated ______ and discovered they are Scum!" I'm not on town's side. I'm simply trying to extend the game. Since the best way to do that is anti-game, instead I'm pushing against one of my pet peeves: low participants. You're also expressing a newbie attitude that the purpose of pro-town investigators is to find scum. While finding scum is useful, town more typically wins the game by process of elimination. Once town reduces the pool of untrusted players to smaller than the number of mislynches, town wins. I still think Tex is up to something here, and it's not being discussed. Vote: TexcatAs low on detail as it is, thank you for actually expressing a case and your suspicion for your vote. To abstain and Pleo: Honestly; would either of you have believed me if I said I had switched alignments? I plan to play as town, but will you even believe that? If I'm the person you're concerning yourselves with toDay I have to wonder about your motivations. You're third-party and not a threat to me; my motivation is simply wondering why you're playing poorly. If you're going to play for town, why wouldn't you switch to that team? Assuming that scum win whenever they equal or outnumber non-scum, you're still as much a target for them whether you're town or third-party. And this response to a simple question about how you're using your alignment power makes me suspicious that you weren't telling the truth before. Yes, I probably would've believed you, because it'd be the best thing to do. However, I mentioned you in one sentence, simply backing up Pleo because I agree with him (and apparently no-one else wants to address the issue). The fact that you are so defensive is setting off alarm bells in my head. You are a third party who can change alignment. That's pretty damn OP. You shouldn't be defensive at all, no-one is voting you, you are under absolutely no pressure to be lynched, you aren't being considered. The only thing people are talking to you about is your unwillingness to pick a side. Another point not in your favour is you've simply just defended yourself and smudged myself and Pleo for actually seeking answers, whereas you are comfortable to remain defensive. And for that and the above I find you suspicious. Suspicious enough to vote for you yes. Money on PFK anyone? Unvote: DizzyVote: sinjinMy thoughts, too. But I'm not thinking win-stealer. My investigation on Night One was definitely "third-party". I don't think a player who can switch sides could also be a win-stealer. Is patricia a PFK or not? I know she's scummy, and her reliance on Pleo's scan suggest PFK with scan immunity if not misguided town. We've already lynched a scum god-father. I find it unlikely that there's multiple roles with alignment-obscuring powers. Possible, but it's unwise to base a lynch on that assumption right now. Well my plan to keep quiet today and try to be scanned is not working as lots of folks are MIA at the moment. I would prefer to be scanned than to claim. But if have to claim I will - however that will be like jumping from the frypan (lynch)to the fire (nightkill). I'm not even sure what a PFK role is but I'm not. It sounds like some kind of killing role (anyone care to explain)? Fear of being Night-killed is never a good reason to not claim. But thank you for actually posting, and please post more. unvote patricia assuming that they keep posting. Really? You expect us to believe that you've played long enough to know how I act as town, but not long enough to know what a PFK role is? And weren't interested enough to find out? Oddly enough, I did post a few "you're wrong, Patricia, posts". Three iirc. I'm leaving my vote on you, but correcting my reason to "Cause I think she's PFK." As someone who was once lynched for thinking that "VT" meant "Vigilante" instead of something else (after I'd been playing for years), this argument looks very bogus to me. Especially because "PFK" is a poor way to describe a win stealing role. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Ok, caught up. Not sure who to vote for. Will try to vote again before end of Day.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 5, 2013 15:58:05 GMT -5
I'm not following you here. What's the problem with dizzymrslizzy assuming that scum killed Jan and Jan killed Colby? "They found our other vig!" seems a strange turn of phrase. For example, "The scum found our other mason" would seem more normal - a) use of scum rather than they and b) you would expect more than one mason. The use of "they" also seems like hedging of bets on who killed Jan. On re-reading yesterday, I now see where paranoia thought colby had claimed/outted as 3rd See here's the problem with your Haiku's Septimus..... "Colby is not Scum" .....Is this your opinion? Do you have information to confirm this? Did Swammer respond to this? How did he know Colby was not scum? I'm here for the moment, so I want to answer these: 1- Swammer didn't respond to this at all. 2- You have a problem with me not throwing Jan into the 100% confirmed pile....and you have a problem with me believing that logically Jan was a more probable choice than Colby for a scum kill based on events. Unless Jan was scanned by a confirmed Cop, then she isn't confirmed. I'll say this AGAIN. I believed Jan was Town, in my notes I had her as probable Town, but again If she's not confirmed, I'm not going to 100% throw her into a permanent Town column. It seems like Texcat's phrasing and mine just weren't compatible. Misunderstanding. I asked a simple question of Did anything ELSE happen to make her more than just probably town based on the Mahaloth vote. And furthermore, I don't know why you (collectively, because there are a few people) don't think I get any town credit at all for either my D1 or D2 actions. I was vocally against a KidV lynch on both days. Over and over again I said that it looked like bandwagons on KidV were forming too easily and that it made me uneasy, and I voted away from that situation twice. D1 whether you want to believe it or not, I helped swing the vote towards Mahaloth. With a 1 vote difference between Mahaloth and the other D1 vote leaders, Scum could have EASILY swung it back towards a Townie, or a Pro-Town 3rd Party. I "HELPED" to make it more difficult. That's the ONLY role I took in the D1 vote. I HELPED make it more difficult for scum to play games at the end of the day if they came and saw Mahaloth in trouble. Jan gets a heck of a lot more credit then I do for the whole scenerio. I get that, and I was NEVER asking for anything regarding that.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 5, 2013 16:03:10 GMT -5
NETA:
I'm saying in that last sentence that the combination of fighting against a KidV lynch and my vote on D1 should have gotten me a tiny bit of town credit. But before the flip of KidV I wasn't expecting much of anything at all.
And FFS, The only reason I put my name in that post to begin with is because I felt that if I didn't, I'd be slammed for saying that only SJ pushed the lynch towards Maha on D1. I feel like I'm damned if I do, Damned if I don't.
I'm logging off now, because I'm exhausted, and need a nap.
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Post by texcat on Sept 5, 2013 16:06:36 GMT -5
Well my plan to keep quiet today and try to be scanned is not working as lots of folks are MIA at the moment. I would prefer to be scanned than to claim. But if have to claim I will - however that will be like jumping from the frypan (lynch)to the fire (nightkill). I'm not even sure what a PFK role is but I'm not. It sounds like some kind of killing role (anyone care to explain)? This does not make sense to me. You will claim, but you'd rather be investigated by Pleo? Why are you afraid that you will be NK'd if you claim, but are not worried about being investigated and the results made public by Pleo? Do you know that Pleo's results will be different? As someone who was once lynched for thinking that "VT" meant "Vigilante" instead of something else (after I'd been playing for years), this argument looks very bogus to me. Especially because "PFK" is a poor way to describe a win stealing role. But we've been having a discussion about PFK's vs 3rd parties for this entire game. And Patricia didn't think to ask. PFK's are in the town win condition. Do you think Patricia didn't read her win condition, or do you think she has a different win condition? PFK's are in the rules: Storyteller even made an announcement about the colors being backwards somewhere, and Patricia didn't ask. I don't buy it that Patricia doesn't know what PFK is.
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Post by patricia on Sept 5, 2013 16:12:46 GMT -5
Well my plan to keep quiet today and try to be scanned is not working as lots of folks are MIA at the moment. I would prefer to be scanned than to claim. But if have to claim I will - however that will be like jumping from the frypan (lynch)to the fire (nightkill). I'm not even sure what a PFK role is but I'm not. It sounds like some kind of killing role (anyone care to explain)? Fear of being Night-killed is never a good reason to not claim. But thank you for actually posting, and please post more. unvote patricia assuming that they keep posting. Ok - but I do so hate to wake up dead LOL
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Post by patricia on Sept 5, 2013 16:16:04 GMT -5
Well my plan to keep quiet today and try to be scanned is not working as lots of folks are MIA at the moment. I would prefer to be scanned than to claim. But if have to claim I will - however that will be like jumping from the frypan (lynch)to the fire (nightkill). I'm not even sure what a PFK role is but I'm not. It sounds like some kind of killing role (anyone care to explain)? Fear of being Night-killed is never a good reason to not claim. But thank you for actually posting, and please post more. unvote patricia assuming that they keep posting. Ok - but I do so hate to wake up dead LOL Well that quote isn't right - anyway I loved the they - is my split personally showing again
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 5, 2013 16:34:48 GMT -5
Ugh, I have just been... Ridiculously slammed at work lately. x100 Just fucking shoot me now. I know I need to vote. I will. Soon. Promise. Probably for Swammer at this point.
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Post by patricia on Sept 5, 2013 16:36:20 GMT -5
Tex Cat - you seems to be making a case about my saying I didn't know what PFK was and I DID NOT - I had read the rules which had this to say:
PFK Players are players that are neither Town nor Scum and ARE a threat to the win condition of either side. They may be Serial Killers, Mad Bombers, or something altogether different. A PFK player may or may not be able to win alongside some third party players, but if a PFK player wins, then all Town and Scum players do not.
Which basically says that PFK are in this game and it talks about the wincons of said PFK - but it doesn't say what PFK stands for which is what I was getting at before when I said I didn't know what PFK was - I never said they didn't exist in this game. Just that the term was new to me.
Sorry I don't make sense to you - I will try to clear up another point as well. Yes, I would rather be scanned and have the scanner post that I'm not scum other then claim outright. The reasons are this, one if I claim I'm not as trusted as a third party claiming on my behalf and second I would assume the scanner would be able to clear me as non scum without sharing everything they had learned in their scan. But we both knew that being scanned and cleared is better than claiming - guess it is my meat pants - cause you are all over me.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 5, 2013 16:43:03 GMT -5
Heck with it.
Vote: Swammer Time to spill the origins of the apparent magic bag on Colby.
I'm not seeing the case on Bill. Texcat maybe, but I'm parsing she and Dizzy as just communicating differently, and not suspiciously in either directly, though I thought there may have been meat in that nut earlier, I don't see it now.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 5, 2013 16:48:54 GMT -5
Tex Cat - you seems to be making a case about my saying I didn't know what PFK was and I DID NOT - I had read the rules which had this to say: PFK Players are players that are neither Town nor Scum and ARE a threat to the win condition of either side. They may be Serial Killers, Mad Bombers, or something altogether different. A PFK player may or may not be able to win alongside some third party players, but if a PFK player wins, then all Town and Scum players do not. Which basically says that PFK are in this game and it talks about the wincons of said PFK - but it doesn't say what PFK stands for which is what I was getting at before when I said I didn't know what PFK was - I never said they didn't exist in this game. Just that the term was new to me. Sorry I don't make sense to you - I will try to clear up another point as well. Yes, I would rather be scanned and have the scanner post that I'm not scum other then claim outright. The reasons are this, one if I claim I'm not as trusted as a third party claiming on my behalf and second I would assume the scanner would be able to clear me as non scum without sharing everything they had learned in their scan. But we both knew that being scanned and cleared is better than claiming - guess it is my meat pants - cause you are all over me. Investigative roles are susceptible to counter-measures, like Godfathers/Millers etc. You're probably not a Miller since you're asking to be scanned, and we've had one dead Godfather already, but this game is not the usual set up, it would seem. Not wanting to claim could indicate that you're scum who is not confident in fabricating a fake claim. I get a more confused newbie vibe from you than scummy at this point, but you're not a newbie anymore, which does make me wonder if you are just wearing a confused newbie mask. I shall ponder.
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 5, 2013 17:29:21 GMT -5
Vote: Swammer Time to spill the origins of the apparent magic bag on Colby. Is your vote just to prod me into revealing secrets, or do you think I'm Scum who let slip that Colby wasn't Scum?Prodding me for secrets will do little good -- I have very few and hope to defer any revelation until it will do Town more good than harm. My insistence that Colby11 wasn't Scum was based on public information. I am familiar with the concept of Scum bussing Scum. In fact the first two games I was on a Scum team we won by voting our teammates in madcap fashion. In fact, IIRC, in both of those games (both on the Dope board) I was Lynched with my Scum teammates providing the deciding votes. But those Lynches came about in Day 4 or Day 5 or such, after blood-red suspicions had been flowing furiously. To calmly and deliberately destroy one's own Godfather on Day 1 would be a very unusual ploy, in my judgment. Colby11 was not Scum. I plead guilty to not being able to explain that straightforward conclusion in 17 syllables. I could do it in 16 ... or 18, but was unable to tweak it down to 17. Frankly it seemed unnecessary -- if some of you Scummies really do destroy your own Godfather calmly and deliberately on Day 1, I'm playing well out of my weight class and may as well concede defeat.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 5, 2013 17:53:18 GMT -5
Mobile and at work.
Holy crap.
Let me get back to this later tonight, that is to say early early am tommorrow.
There is no way I can catch up on my iPod with the remainder of the lunch break I have.
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Post by texcat on Sept 5, 2013 20:28:18 GMT -5
Tex Cat - you seems to be making a case about my saying I didn't know what PFK was and I DID NOT - I had read the rules which had this to say: PFK Players are players that are neither Town nor Scum and ARE a threat to the win condition of either side. They may be Serial Killers, Mad Bombers, or something altogether different. A PFK player may or may not be able to win alongside some third party players, but if a PFK player wins, then all Town and Scum players do not. Which basically says that PFK are in this game and it talks about the wincons of said PFK - but it doesn't say what PFK stands for which is what I was getting at before when I said I didn't know what PFK was - I never said they didn't exist in this game. Just that the term was new to me. Sorry I don't make sense to you - I will try to clear up another point as well. Yes, I would rather be scanned and have the scanner post that I'm not scum other then claim outright. The reasons are this, one if I claim I'm not as trusted as a third party claiming on my behalf and second I would assume the scanner would be able to clear me as non scum without sharing everything they had learned in their scan. But we both knew that being scanned and cleared is better than claiming - guess it is my meat pants - cause you are all over me. This all makes more sense this time. But it just makes me wonder whether someone is coaching you on what to say. Now you claim to understand PFK's, you just don't know that it stands for Playing For Keeps. You said that it sounded like some kind of killer, but now you've read the rules, which you claim you read before, and they clearly say that can be serial killers, mad bombers, or something else. I still think you were asking so that we would think that you couldn't possibly be one. And you've never said until now that being investigated would be good because it would confirm your claim. You said it would be better, because if you claimed you might be NK'd. You said that you did not want to claim both Today and in the night thread. I can understand not wanting your role made public, but that's exactly what being investigated by Pleo would do. Why would you want to be investigated, but not claim? The only reason I can think of is that you are some kind of Godfather type role. And since Mahaloth was the scum Godfather, I think that you must be the PFK Godfather. Those meat pants you are wearing smell scummy to me, and you are correct when I get that strong scent of scum (or PFK scum), I don't let go. - First you lied on D1 with your reasons for voting for me. You admitted the mistake, but didn't change your vote.
- Then you said that it was good that you lied because it helped catch Mahaloth, and said that you thought that I was town as a result. Now you're voting me again. This is OK if you changed your mind, but what made you change your mind?
- Yesterday you were voting Cookies because she wasn't around at the end of D1 and scum didn't know that they were close to being lynched. But Cookies was tied for the lynch and so if she was scum she had to know. Then you sort of changed your vote to KidV, but didn't unvote, although Paranoia made that mistake and it was clearly stated in more than one post about unvoting. Were you trying to hedge your bets by voting without really voting? And what are your thoughts of Cookies now?
- Then there is the whole please, please, please investigate me. You must be a Godfather of some sort.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 5, 2013 21:07:42 GMT -5
Pleo I am surprised that you question my logic. Like you, I am playing for myself. I would love for town to win and plan to play for them because I, like them, don't know who anyone else is. However town frequently seems to shoot themselves in the foot (or ass). So I'm hedging my bets and hoping I live till the end with whoever. I'm basically playing as a survivor, the role I was handed.
abstain What is this fetish you have about me? You've been on my ass since I claimed. Why are you trying to get town to lynch a 3rd party and not look for scum?
Whatever happened to Jaade?
Vote: abstain This may seem like an OMGUS, but, I really don't get why he so intent on lynching me toDay. It is a mislynch for town no matter how you look at it.
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