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Post by Meeko on Sept 5, 2013 23:20:03 GMT -5
Ok. I got to catch what I couldn't earlier. I thought swimmer was claiming and in so doing admiring defeat. On reread this is not the case.
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Sept 6, 2013 0:11:22 GMT -5
God, everything has gotten ridiculous. I'm going to have to be succinct, and hope I have time to pitch in tomorrow between shifts. Here goes, shotgun thoughts, in order of how they appear in my notes chronologically: Lizzy's still pushing way too hard to be seen as town for her vote on Mahaloth, makes me wonder why she doesn't want to be lynched so hard. Otherwise hasn't done much to make me suspect her of scum play. Survivor? PFK? Worth a vig maybe, but we're out of those, so probably not worth a lynching when there are more anti-town players. Personal gut suspicion says "playing in a way I wouldn't" rather than "playing for a side I'm not on". Patricia's late-day votehop is... weird. But at the same time it's not like it really changed the way the vote was going, I think. The only real suspect motive I can come up with is if she and abstain are scum and she wanted to ensure he didn't get speedlynched like mahaloth did. Seems like a stretch, but given that she and mahaloth's votes lined up day one, maybe worth considering. Pleo's investigator scheme is not really what I'd consider ideal: it's too easy to game if he's honest about it, and makes him too hard to trust if he's not. I don't think it's the best course of action for the town, but at the same time he's not town and it'll work out pretty well for him (and reasonably well for us in the long term, presumably). I don't like it, but I don't suspect it, mostly because claiming investigator doesn't usually pan out so well for scum. Unless it's a double-bluff? (Nah probably not) Conversely, swammerdami trying to influence the stated investigation plan feels off to me too. Protecting scathatch? Just super suspicious of abstain? Who can say, he spent two days not giving us an opportunity to read him, and that makes me suspicious by default. I am personally electing to ignore the bomb until someone comes forward with information about it. For all we know, it's a penguin. Sinjin: Survivor is the worst role, adopt a wincon already. Sheesh! I don't like it any time someone says "I'll claim to save myself but not before, it'd be best for everyone if I didn't have to" for a lot of reasons that I think are pretty self-evident and have probably already been the subject of discussion on this forum. Patricia slips a little farther into "not-town" territory for me by bringin' out the old magic bag. But then she asks to be investigated, and we already have a godfather??? I can't see two in one game. Probably. A bluff? Paranoia's suspicion list confuses me a bit. I'd like to hear him explain (or reiterate) why he doesn't suspect billmc or texcat. And that's up to the end of the last day, if anyone responds while I'm working on the next half of this, I'll try to hit on that tonight.
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Sept 6, 2013 1:01:09 GMT -5
Cookies has a pretty reasonable point in that Lizzy's been reacting pretty disproportionately to suspicion, but at the same time I'd probably be annoyed in Lizzy's position too given that cookies has been focusing pretty hard on stuff that I see as only mildly suspicious. Still, just another card to file in the "maybe nervous scum" folder.
Texcat is pretty clearly joking around with the votespree, I think. And it's a reasonable way to make suspicions obvious when you're serious about it. Unless she suspects there's a gallis in play and really wants to take 'em out, I don't see any reason to think much more about this.
Swammerdami seems pretty insistent on not seeing the motivation for a scum patricia to place a vote on now-known-as-town KidV, which looks fairly obvious from where I'm standing. Weird.
Texcat follows with a pretty succinct reiteration of what she feels is off about patricia. I was planning on pushing a case against billmc today, but am becoming increasingly convinced my earlier feelings on patricia may have been too mild.
Scathatch and cookies continues too look like a conflict of playstyle and word choice rather than anything I'd call suspicious; I kinda feel like they both need to take the blinders off.
Abstain dismisses the case against patricia without strong reasoning (or at least clearly-explained strong reasoning) and votes Lizzy. Are he and patricia coaligned? I have too many weird scum triangles to try to keep sorted out. I like each of his posts less and less, because they keep seeming like scattershot designed to just keep flinging things out until one sticks, and let suspicious things get lost in the volume.
Meeko keeps on makin... Votes. For reasons I find highly dubious. Am I just missing important details, or is he just super tunneling on inconsequentialities? Time will tell, I guess. He's kind of on my list of "Scum wouldn't play this way, probably, but maybe they're PFK" players. Which also doubles as a list of players who simply play in a way totally alien to the way I learned to play and may not even be suspicious at all. How do you even FIND a non-SK PFK apart from investigation? They've got no real tells to stick to, no teammates to protect.
Abstain then starts chattering in-thread. Possible way to boost postcount and avoid detection? Whitenoise is never good, especially when postcount is the criterion for investigation.
Patricia's vote against texcat is based solely on metagame stuff I literally have no way of knowing short of archive binging on dead games. I am... not predisposed to looking favorably on entirely-meta cases of any sort, even when I know the people in question.
Bill tunneling on phrasing, which seems faux-town McCarthy-y. I'm only not more suspicious of his reasoning because his main opponent (swammerdami) is also making me raise an eyebrow.
Lizzy continues really pushing for for Town Credz. If you're town, you shouldn't try that hard to seem like you are! Lynching doesn't lose the game for you, and a mislynched townie is a much more acceptable loss to her side than a mislynched scum. Trying too hard just makes you more suspicious.
Texcat and patricia trading blows; patricia seems to be making a pretty reasonable case, but so does texcat. Even though a pretty hefty segment of my notes and recollections are about patricia and that situation, it's mostly because these are newer suspicions rather than the most salient ones. Given the way tex and pat are interacting, it makes me less suspicious of both of them: I kind of just think they're townies having trouble communicating rather than either of them being scum. I can still see patricia as the lady who doth protest too much at the PFK accusation, though.
Lemme think for a minute.
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Sept 6, 2013 1:26:34 GMT -5
Alright, here's my current list of suspicions, mostly for my own reference honestly (but I'd love some feedback too):
1. Sister Coyote – Totally null read! Commits to little, prods discussion, plays cards close. Can't get a feel here. 2. FruitandGarbage – Obviously town, very attractive, probably smells nice. Send him your number! 3. BillMc – Moderate scumread: reactive, avoidant, fixated. 4. Paranoia – Slight townread. Has been mostly active and contributes well, but has done little to definitely prove himself town to me 6. Jaade – Neutral read. Hasn't contributed much, but hasn't done anything to make me suspicious. 7. Sinjin – Probably third party read. I believe the claim, and don't so much suspect the decision to not choose a side as think it's unwise. 8. ...cookies – Slight townread. Active and playing well, but focused on things I disagree with. 10. Meeko – Suspicious, but not sure of what. Weak voting record and little explanation of votes. 11. texcat – Slight townread. Active and explains herself frequently. I like to hear a player that says what they think! 13. Pleonast – Probably third party read: the wincon seems odd here, as does a third-party investigator, but it's pretty par for this apparently-third-party-heavy course. Definitely not a target given the largely pro-town contribution and my own "don't bother with third parties" philosophy. 14. scathach – Neutral read... I guess. Too quiet for me to get a feel for, doesn't provide opinions on conflicts I think are most salient. Could go any way, can definitely see a PFK not wanting to draw fire from scum or attention from town. 15. dizzymrslizzy – Slight scumread! Town generally isn't that insistent on being seen as town, especially when they're not in the crosshairs yet. 16. abstain – Slight scumread: Too flighty, little commitment. Lets suspicions fall off the radar too easily, seems to attack anyone for anything. 18. patricia – Slight anti-town read, not necessarily scum. As much as I said about patricia above, this one's obvious 20. swammerdami – Moderate scumread: between avoiding any tells early on and his vacillating cases today, I am pretty leery.
Of my highest suspicions, I have little preference; bill's and swammer's flips will be pretty informative about the other, and as Pleo said, town mostly wins by process of elimination. I'm pretty sure one of them's playing against us, and I'd like to know which one. I only have a slight preference between the two (I'm more suspicious of bill and was suspicious of him first), and I'd rather see either of them lynched than any of my slight scumreads, I'll put my money where my very very tired stream-of-consciousness unedited mouth is:
Vote: swammerdami
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Sept 6, 2013 1:28:54 GMT -5
Ugh remember what I said about being very tired? Unvote: swammerdami, Unvote: billmc
Stupid stupid
(PS this is because as I said above I'm slightly more suspicious of bill and ALSO because he has more votes and is thus more likely to make the lynch turn out in the way I believe is most productive, ie him or swammer rather than patricia or texcat)
PPS I think this is a reasonably up-to-date tally but don't trust me? Tired. Tired. I'd like to see the GM update the vote count more often. I find it very helpful.
3 BillMc (swammerdami, Sister Coyote, FruitAndGarbage) 2 Patricia (texcat, billmc) 2 TexCat (Meeko, patricia) 1 Sinjin (sbstain) 1 Swammerdami (…cookies) 1 abstain (sinjin)
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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Sept 6, 2013 1:30:59 GMT -5
Christ algoddamnmighty, this is why I usually do my formatting by hand. Curse these buttons! At this point I'd just edit the above post to look like less of a jackass if I didn't think the "last edited by" tag would probably seem a bit off.
Vote: billmc
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 6, 2013 2:19:22 GMT -5
The play for getting investigated is growing in my mind as a ploy by a role that can manipulate said investigation, and I just think there is an 'aw shucks' tone to patricia's play as well.
I'm gonna have to
Unvote: Swammer Vote: patricia
at this point.
In other news, I'm going to take a leap of faith and quit my shitty job. Finally deciding to do so feels fucking fantastic.
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Post by abstain on Sept 6, 2013 2:25:18 GMT -5
Congrats. Was it retail?
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Post by BillMc on Sept 6, 2013 3:01:13 GMT -5
I'm still very suspicious of patricia, and I think texcat/abstain makes a good point about patricia potentially being another godfather - her soft claim is hedging her bets between town & 3rd - so she seems unclear what she will investigate as. But fruity's summary pings me 4. Paranoia – Slight townread. Has been mostly active and contributes well, but has done little to definitely prove himself town to me 6. Jaade – Neutral read. Hasn't contributed much, but hasn't done anything to make me suspicious. "Has been mostly active"? Paranoia hasn't posted a single thing toDay - tho clearly from the board homepage he has been on several times - getting confused by which boards you are posting in? Paranoia also claimed he was third party not town - or are you also getting your cover stories mixed up? "Hasn't contributed much"? The same is true of Jaade - no posts toDay, but has been online. Here are two folk that are lurking, and your analysis is attempting to make them appear more active than they really are.
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Post by abstain on Sept 6, 2013 3:13:30 GMT -5
Cookies has a pretty reasonable point in that Lizzy's been reacting pretty disproportionately to suspicion, but at the same time I'd probably be annoyed in Lizzy's position too given that cookies has been focusing pretty hard on stuff that I see as only mildly suspicious. Still, just another card to file in the "maybe nervous scum" folder. Agreed with on Dizzy Gillespie's reaction. Texcat is pretty clearly joking around with the votespree, I think. And it's a reasonable way to make suspicions obvious when you're serious about it. Unless she suspects there's a gallis in play and really wants to take 'em out, I don't see any reason to think much more about this. Never actually seen a gallis in a game. And I disagree, no pressure is applied, no real suspiscion placed.Swammerdami seems pretty insistent on not seeing the motivation for a scum patricia to place a vote on now-known-as-town KidV, which looks fairly obvious from where I'm standing. Weird. Texcat follows with a pretty succinct reiteration of what she feels is off about patricia. I was planning on pushing a case against billmc today, but am becoming increasingly convinced my earlier feelings on patricia may have been too mild. Scathatch and cookies continues too look like a conflict of playstyle and word choice rather than anything I'd call suspicious; I kinda feel like they both need to take the blinders off. I agree.Abstain dismisses the case against patricia without strong reasoning (or at least clearly-explained strong reasoning) and votes Lizzy. Are he and patricia coaligned? I have too many weird scum triangles to try to keep sorted out. I like each of his posts less and less, because they keep seeming like scattershot designed to just keep flinging things out until one sticks, and let suspicious things get lost in the volume. Without strong reasoning? Have I not explained myself clearly enough? To me, patricia is almost certainly not scum with mahaloth. And not with me either, as I also explained.Meeko keeps on makin... Votes. For reasons I find highly dubious. Am I just missing important details, or is he just super tunneling on inconsequentialities? Time will tell, I guess. He's kind of on my list of "Scum wouldn't play this way, probably, but maybe they're PFK" players. Which also doubles as a list of players who simply play in a way totally alien to the way I learned to play and may not even be suspicious at all. How do you even FIND a non-SK PFK apart from investigation? They've got no real tells to stick to, no teammates to protect. General 'scummy' behaviour really is the best method for pfks in general.Abstain then starts chattering in-thread. Possible way to boost postcount and avoid detection? Whitenoise is never good, especially when postcount is the criterion for investigation. Whitenoise? I haven't made many frivolous posts (bar maybe the congrats one), and I would expect Pleo to not count fluffy posts like that anyway.Patricia's vote against texcat is based solely on metagame stuff I literally have no way of knowing short of archive binging on dead games. I am... not predisposed to looking favorably on entirely-meta cases of any sort, even when I know the people in question. Bill tunneling on phrasing, which seems faux-town McCarthy-y. I'm only not more suspicious of his reasoning because his main opponent (swammerdami) is also making me raise an eyebrow. Lizzy continues really pushing for for Town Credz. If you're town, you shouldn't try that hard to seem like you are! Lynching doesn't lose the game for you, and a mislynched townie is a much more acceptable loss to her side than a mislynched scum. Trying too hard just makes you more suspicious. I agree.Texcat and patricia trading blows; patricia seems to be making a pretty reasonable case, but so does texcat. Even though a pretty hefty segment of my notes and recollections are about patricia and that situation, it's mostly because these are newer suspicions rather than the most salient ones. Given the way tex and pat are interacting, it makes me less suspicious of both of them: I kind of just think they're townies having trouble communicating rather than either of them being scum. I can still see patricia as the lady who doth protest too much at the PFK accusation, though. Lemme think for a minute. Yeah Paranoia has been lurking. He/she (I'll learn in time) was in another game I am playing in and was reasonably active there. (They did replace in though).
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Post by abstain on Sept 6, 2013 3:24:44 GMT -5
Day has been slow anyway. Started gaining traction yesterday.
Re: Sinjin
Playing for yourself is silly at the current point in time. Right now, it is far too difficult to make any kind of observation on who will win. You don't know if you will die tonight, or what have you. If I was you, I would immediately choose a side, and as the playbase got smaller, change to third party. You staying third party at this stage of the game is a very weird choice to my mind, and I can't understand why.
Fetish? I mentioned you in one sentence and one paragraph. I then applied a vote on you and asked other people for their opinion. I have not tried to convince anyone to lynch you if you bother to read past your name in my posts. I have not said, please lynch sinjin I think he's pfk I said I think you're too defensive.
Drop the defensive act, and contribute and I won't have anything to say about you.
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Post by abstain on Sept 6, 2013 3:28:56 GMT -5
Tally
3 BillMc (swammerdami, Sister Coyote, FruitAndGarbage) 3 Patricia (texcat, billmc, …cookies) 2 TexCat (Meeko, patricia) 1 Sinjin (sbstain) 1 abstain (sinjin)
Now patricia, if you do not claim before the end of day, I will vote for you. You're scummy as hell, your reliance on the scan and lampshading of your lurking draw me to vote you. But I want to hear what you have to say in regards to your role, because that will likely be the only thing that saves you, if it does at all.
I will bet heavily on patricia voting bill before the day is out.
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 6, 2013 3:38:49 GMT -5
Christ algoddamnmighty, this is why I usually do my formatting by hand. I click BBCode and do just that. There are some things hard (or impossible) to do in Preview mode.BTW, did anybody ever write-up "How to show post numbers for Dummies"? I can think of about 17 ways I preferred the old Proboards software and about zero ways I prefer the new. If we were allowed two Lynch votes I'd Vote New Proboards Software
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 6, 2013 3:48:03 GMT -5
Client Services Manager for a Security start-up, remote home office. It sounds way better than it actually is. But retail could very well be on the horizon with the crappy local economy we have around these parts, and I am loathe to work from home again for awhile. I really have no idea what will come next. It's an adventure!
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Post by abstain on Sept 6, 2013 4:02:23 GMT -5
Well, good luck with it anyway.
Thoughts on Patricia and Bill?
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Post by storyteller0910 on Sept 6, 2013 7:21:00 GMT -5
VOTE COUNT
BillMc (3) - swammerdami, Sister Coyote, fruitandgarbage patricia (3) - texcat, BillMc, ...Cookies texcat (2) - Meeko, patricia sinjin (1) - abstain abstain (1) - sinjin
Day to end at 2:00PM Eastern today (Friday, September 6), or in just under six hours.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 6, 2013 7:23:34 GMT -5
The reason that I've been questioning Dizzy about Jan and Colby is that the theory put forward Dizzy/Texcat doesn't seem to fit the information. I was hoping Pleo's investigation would help guide what I should reveal, but since it's my neck in the noose. The little device on Colby's body is mine - it's effectively a bug. Colby11 targeted SilverJan. Colby11 was targeted by Sister Coyote and Swammerdami on Night Two. . Welcome to the Game; you are OzymandiasSTARTING ALIGNMENT: Watchman (Town) SUB-ALIGNMENT: Watcher/Tracker ROLE TYPE: Investigator
Subject ID #11111: Adrian Alexander Veidt (b. 1939) also "Ozymandias"... physical and intellectual prodigy from early childhood... wildly successful in science and in business... exploits brief career as costumed vigilante for profit and in pursuit of various personal and professional goals... Olympic-level athlete... gifted strategist... cold, dismissive, and arrogant... particularly skilled at obtaining and using information. ABILITIES:Adrian Veidt has invented six small electronic devices that, once implanted in a human being, affords him limited control over the nervous system of that being. He views this as a more efficient approach to the preservation of safety and order than the methods adopted by his colleagues.
Once per Night, Oxymandias can target up to two living players and implant a device. Alternatively, once a player has been implanted, Oxymandias can use the device to track the activity of the player in question, seeing all players who are targeted by the implanted player and all players that the implanted player targets. Ozymandias may track/watch only one such player per Night.
Evidence of device implantation will be seen by the public (in the color) upon the death of an implanted player. No one other than Adrian Veidt himself will be able to determine the nature of the device; however, some roles may be capable of detecting, fooling or even disabling it.
WIN CONDITION:As a member of the so-called Watchmen (Town), Oxymandias will win when all of the Uncorrupted (the game’s Scum equivalent) and all PFK have been eliminated from the game.
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Post by scáthach on Sept 6, 2013 7:27:50 GMT -5
Abstain dismisses the case against patricia without strong reasoning (or at least clearly-explained strong reasoning) and votes Lizzy. Are he and patricia coaligned? I have too many weird scum triangles to try to keep sorted out. I like each of his posts less and less, because they keep seeming like scattershot designed to just keep flinging things out until one sticks, and let suspicious things get lost in the volume. His point was that it would seem unlikely for Mahaloth (who we know was scum) to bandwagon a one off vote by another scum.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 6, 2013 7:29:06 GMT -5
If my bug wasn't fooled with, then SisC or Swammi was responsible for Colby's death.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 6, 2013 7:29:54 GMT -5
I still have strong suspicions of Patricia, but for now Unvote: Patricia
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Post by BillMc on Sept 6, 2013 7:30:40 GMT -5
Abstain dismisses the case against patricia without strong reasoning (or at least clearly-explained strong reasoning) and votes Lizzy. Are he and patricia coaligned? I have too many weird scum triangles to try to keep sorted out. I like each of his posts less and less, because they keep seeming like scattershot designed to just keep flinging things out until one sticks, and let suspicious things get lost in the volume. His point was that it would seem unlikely for Mahaloth (who we know was scum) to bandwagon a one off vote by another scum. Scum wouldn't do that!
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Post by scáthach on Sept 6, 2013 7:38:24 GMT -5
If my bug wasn't fooled with, then SisC or Swammi was responsible for Colby's death. Huh. On the one hand Colby got a lot of suspicion so you'd imagine that it would be a town aligned person who would target him. On the other hand, that's too many town vigs. Maybe a SK trying to lay foundation for a future town vig claim? If so, my money's on Sister C. She's been quiet which would be fairly consistent with PFK laying low, swammerdami has been making waves with a new posting style etc You waited awfully late in the day to reveal this though Bill and I think I'm leaning towards you trying to derail the lynch with a last minute claim. Vote: BillMc His point was that it would seem unlikely for Mahaloth (who we know was scum) to bandwagon a one off vote by another scum. Scum wouldn't do that! Without making some kind of guesses at what scum would or wouldn't do we could never build a case on anyone.
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Post by scáthach on Sept 6, 2013 7:43:02 GMT -5
The reason that I've been questioning Dizzy about Jan and Colby is that the theory put forward Dizzy/Texcat doesn't seem to fit the information. What? How doesn't it fit the information? It fit the information we had at the beginning of the day and it was as good a guess as any. I know you had extra information, but I don't see how that would cause you to suspect Dizzy?
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Post by BillMc on Sept 6, 2013 8:01:28 GMT -5
You waited awfully late in the day to reveal this though Bill and I think I'm leaning towards you trying to derail the lynch with a last minute claim. Give that man a gold star for pointing out the blindingly obvious. I'm the lynch candidate, so I'm sharing what I know. My information is not conclusive - as I said, I was hoping that Pleo would reveal his information. Without making some kind of guesses at what scum would or wouldn't do we could never build a case on anyone.[/quote] You are the one saying that "scum wouldn't do that" - two scum voting for the same person - while others are saying scum would.
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Post by BillMc on Sept 6, 2013 8:03:15 GMT -5
The reason that I've been questioning Dizzy about Jan and Colby is that the theory put forward Dizzy/Texcat doesn't seem to fit the information. What? How doesn't it fit the information? It fit the information we had at the beginning of the day and it was as good a guess as any. I know you had extra information, but I don't see how that would cause you to suspect Dizzy? It didn't fit the information that I had. "as good a guess as any" - yet anyone suggesting that patricia and mahaloth are both scum and voted together is clearly wrong in your book.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 6, 2013 8:21:34 GMT -5
I will state, definitively, that I "visited" Colby--but on Night One. Last Night, I took no action.
Bill is lying.
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Post by scáthach on Sept 6, 2013 8:22:28 GMT -5
What? How doesn't it fit the information? It fit the information we had at the beginning of the day and it was as good a guess as any. I know you had extra information, but I don't see how that would cause you to suspect Dizzy? It didn't fit the information that I had. "as good a guess as any" - yet anyone suggesting that patricia and mahaloth are both scum and voted together is clearly wrong in your book. Not clearly wrong, but I can see the argument that scum, yes, wouldn't do that. I think you're assigning a certainty to me that isn't there. It was enough for me to unvote, if it isn't for you then that's entirely your prerogative. How do you interpret the results from your claim? Who do you think is the killer? Do you think they're scum/3rd paty/PFK/town?
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Post by scáthach on Sept 6, 2013 8:28:30 GMT -5
Re reading BillMc's posts today I can find two interesting posts of his. One which supports his claim: See here's the problem with your Haiku's Septimus..... "Colby is not Scum" .....Is this your opinion? Do you have information to confirm this? Did Swammer respond to this? How did he know Colby was not scum? Seems a logical question to ask if he thinks swammer might have visted Colby. And one which is kind of weird given his claim Colby had an implanted device - something to do with his role or something else? If we believe the color then the device had been deactivated. Given that you claim it was your device, what do you think about it being deactivated?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 6, 2013 8:34:30 GMT -5
Scathach--I think it's far more likely that Bill was checking to be sure he could throw shade swammer's way.
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Post by patricia on Sept 6, 2013 9:32:26 GMT -5
Because I can't do anything about it. In light of all the new information Bill has just tossed out this morning, very late in the day, I almost didn't bring this up. However, it is still on my mind so I think I will throw this into the mix as well. About the bomb - here is my idea. Someone, may be even Abstain himself places a bomb on Abstain with a note - If you don't receive any votes/ or maybe not in the group of vote leaders today the bomb will be either be deactivated or maybe he would be able to pass it to someone else - But if Abstain (or the person with the bomb) gets voted on but not lynched the bomb will go off? This is just my thinking but it would seems to fit with Abstain play style for today and the lets wait and see what happens with the bomb style most have accepted for today. So to test I'm going to change my vote Unvote: TexCat Vote: Abstain
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