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Post by FruitAndGarbage on Sept 9, 2013 23:07:26 GMT -5
Actually I read Abstains death as the work of the explosive someone taped to him at the end of what. day two? ... oh. Ooooh. Horf. Well, fantastic. That does explain a lot. Sheesh, I've gotten sloppy. It's like the fifteen hour days are getting to me! I'd forgotten entirely about the bomb since the bomber died, and have been skipping the flavor for a couple days. Well, that certainly negates at least a bit of what I was saying, but the least important bit of it in terms of strategy. We're safer than I thought (probably), but I still have the same feelings on all the people I mentioned specifically. I'm inclined to agree with Para's reasoning on Texcat, which makes me all the more interested in finding out if Patricia is tunneling or scum. I really do feel like I want to lean towards the former since it seems ill-advised for scum to do what she's doing, but she's making it hard to believe that! It's kind of academic today anyway, but worth holding onto in the back of our minds. Still workin' on that abstain read. Will try to have it up later tonight or tomorrow evening
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Post by Meeko on Sept 9, 2013 23:47:53 GMT -5
currently out of that 'know nothing' list Scathach interests me the most right now. His interactions with cookies paint him in a fairly bad light so I suppose I wouldn't mind lynching him? My next choice would be meeko because he only seems interested in getting in confrontations for pointless things or with people who express suspicions of him buuuuuuut that's no guarantee either see: kidv. Jaade's... not actually offered a whole lot either. I'm not sure if I want to spend today lynching them or not though so w/e. Texcat is highly improbable to be scum. fruit&garbage is edging towards neutral right now for me. And cookies I'm not particularly interested in lynching as of this moment. soooo Vote: scathach Vote: Paranoia Cause this is the second time you've voted incorrectly. Unvote: Vote: Cookies Cause its only fair when I am going to Unvote: Vote: Meeko Cause he doesn't seem to be hunting for scum, only hunting for things he can pick on. Vote: TexcatYou still haven't given a sufficient answer to why you are voting three times. You are doing it on purpose.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 9, 2013 23:52:48 GMT -5
I'm becoming more and more convinced that jailer is scum. What's the point of a role that protects from lynches and night kills if when it procs it tells erryone that? All it does is keep us from voting that person or using any powers on them. Point being: I don't like it. And in light of abstains flip I'm finding it much more likely that Patricia is indeed uncorrupted. Usually a Jailer role is a Town role, the Jailer is able to talk privately with their Jailed person. And at the end of the night they can choose to kill them or allow them to live. This role looks a bit different though. Only Meeko can confirm what I know of someone being Jailed. Meeko did you converse with the Jailer? I did not.
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Post by texcat on Sept 10, 2013 1:36:54 GMT -5
Vote: TexcatYou still haven't given a sufficient answer to why you are voting three times. You are doing it on purpose. I believe that Yesterday I voted four times to start the Day. Perhaps I share Pleo's frustration with having only a single vote. Perhaps, as I have said, I am frustrated by having people in jail who can't be voted for. Perhaps I am doing it to see the reactions. But, yes, as Paranoia has proved, voting is difficult; it would be hard to do it by accident. Has nothing else caught your eye recently?
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Post by swammerdami on Sept 10, 2013 3:42:55 GMT -5
IMO, some Players are "over-thinking" (or pretending to ). I prefer straightforward (under-? ) thinking: - Because "any alignment changes in this game will be strictly voluntary" it's unlikely 3rd parties will accept Recruitment by Scum. With two dead, Scum are severe underdogs. (Accepting recruitment to Town would be more likely, if offered.)
- Scum-on-scum fights are not as common, at least in the early game, as some suggest. I'm very suspicious of those suggesting Scum deliberately killed their Godfather Day 1.
- The vote record is Town's most important data; let's use it!
The vote record on Day 2 is very informative, now that we know abstain was Scum. The first voters on KidV were Paranoia, Swammerdami, silverjan, cookies, patricia, FruitandGarbage. Surely there's Scum there! I excuse myself and perhaps silverjan (she cast the tie-breaking vote for Mahaloth Day 1) and perhaps patricia (claimed Doc). Among Paranoia, Cookies, and FG there is surely at least one Scum, perhaps two. There are some non-KidV voters I'd also point a Finger of Suspicion at, but I think we should focus on thethree mentioned KidV voters toDay. Because of some inklings and hunches my choice is Vote FruitandGarbage
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 10, 2013 4:24:06 GMT -5
I'm becoming more and more convinced that jailer is scum. What's the point of a role that protects from lynches and night kills if when it procs it tells erryone that? All it does is keep us from voting that person or using any powers on them. Point being: I don't like it. And in light of abstains flip I'm finding it much more likely that Patricia is indeed uncorrupted. Usually a Jailer role is a Town role, the Jailer is able to talk privately with their Jailed person. And at the end of the night they can choose to kill them or allow them to live. This role looks a bit different though. Only Meeko can confirm what I know of someone being Jailed. Meeko did you converse with the Jailer? Fwiw I have never seen the inter communication aspect of the role used as you describe.
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Post by scáthach on Sept 10, 2013 4:24:11 GMT -5
Well, Texcat after you get me lynched be prepared to go next as I'm a doctor. Hmm - anything to share with us on that results wise? I'm becoming more and more convinced that jailer is scum. What's the point of a role that protects from lynches and night kills if when it procs it tells erryone that? All it does is keep us from voting that person or using any powers on them. I'm inclined to agree with this absent any further evidence. Like, to be frank, I just don't see it. Mahaloth's vote on texcat was sleezy and opprotunistic, and texcat fired back immediately with enough force to actually push a lynch through when scum could have easily lynched colby instead that day considering the sort of flack he was getting back then, or even pushed a lynch on swammer. There was no reason for cross bussing day one.Also this, it would take an awful lot to convince me to vote Texcat today. currently out of that 'know nothing' list Scathach interests me the most right now. His interactions with cookies paint him in a fairly bad light so I suppose I wouldn't mind lynching him? Not this though, what? And how?
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Post by scáthach on Sept 10, 2013 4:49:02 GMT -5
IMO, some Players are "over-thinking" (or pretending to ). I prefer straightforward (under-? ) thinking: - Because "any alignment changes in this game will be strictly voluntary" it's unlikely 3rd parties will accept Recruitment by Scum. With two dead, Scum are severe underdogs. (Accepting recruitment to Town would be more likely, if offered.)
- Scum-on-scum fights are not as common, at least in the early game, as some suggest. I'm very suspicious of those suggesting Scum deliberately killed their Godfather Day 1.
- The vote record is Town's most important data; let's use it!
The vote record on Day 2 is very informative, now that we know abstain was Scum. The first voters on KidV were Paranoia, Swammerdami, silverjan, cookies, patricia, FruitandGarbage. Surely there's Scum there! I excuse myself and perhaps silverjan (she cast the tie-breaking vote for Mahaloth Day 1) and perhaps patricia (claimed Doc). Among Paranoia, Cookies, and FG there is surely at least one Scum, perhaps two. There are some non-KidV voters I'd also point a Finger of Suspicion at, but I think we should focus on thethree mentioned KidV voters toDay. Because of some inklings and hunches my choice is Vote FruitandGarbageOf the three I would prefer Cookies, except I'm pretty sure I voted her in a game before for exactly the same reasons as I'm finding her suspicious now, and I was wrong. Paranoia I have no strong feelings on either way, so I need to reread there. FruitandGarbage I could see as scum doing the helpful townie thing.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 10, 2013 9:07:54 GMT -5
Vote: Meeko
He is contributing nothing. His vote for Texcat is stupid.
In "Princess Bride" the scum had the power to jail people.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 10, 2013 10:12:33 GMT -5
Vote: MeekoHe is contributing nothing. His vote for Texcat is stupid. In "Princess Bride" the scum had the power to jail people. I think it was a previous Story game (maybe Arkham? I was Deadpool, if I recall correctly) that there was a similar jailing mechanic, but I don't remember the ultimate fallout of that role. That said, I see a contradiction in your vote and comment. Meeko was the first jailed. Are you suggesting that: 1) Scum jailed one of their own, or 2) Meeko is PFK jailed by Scum, or 3) Something else I haven't thought of?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 10, 2013 10:13:55 GMT -5
Also:
Joke not-vote the Mod because I have a pernicious "A Day in the Life" earworm and it's all his fault.
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Post by sinjin on Sept 10, 2013 10:40:37 GMT -5
Vote: MeekoHe is contributing nothing. His vote for Texcat is stupid. In "Princess Bride" the scum had the power to jail people. I think it was a previous Story game (maybe Arkham? I was Deadpool, if I recall correctly) that there was a similar jailing mechanic, but I don't remember the ultimate fallout of that role. That said, I see a contradiction in your vote and comment. Meeko was the first jailed. Are you suggesting that: 1) Scum jailed one of their own, or 2) Meeko is PFK jailed by Scum, or 3) Something else I haven't thought of? I was scum in Princess bride. We did jail one of our own. I think Meeko is scum or PFK, I know he is acting/posting anti-town.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 10, 2013 11:16:30 GMT -5
Vote: MeekoHe is contributing nothing. His vote for Texcat is stupid. In "Princess Bride" the scum had the power to jail people. OMGUS by proxy now? "Stupid" is a reason to vote?!
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Post by Meeko on Sept 10, 2013 11:18:45 GMT -5
Vote: MeekoHe is contributing nothing. His vote for Texcat is stupid. In "Princess Bride" the scum had the power to jail people. NETA if I am "contributing nothing" what the hell is Jaade doing?Sinjin why have you voted for Jaade?
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 10, 2013 11:19:40 GMT -5
I usually spend half of my games fighting the urge to vote Meeko, but I don't have much of a bead on anyone else right now and I think all y'all are slippery PFK or 3rd Party sumbitches that aren't adhering to any of the handy traditional faction trajectories.
Vote: Meeko
If we don't get a Jailer claim today, I have no idea what to do with Patricia once she is out of protective custody or whatnot. On one hand I cannot see how a Townie who has played in as many games as she has would play as she has so far this game, but on the other hand I have been burnt by that thought process before. If memory serves, most of the time when I am suspicious of 'aw shucks' being a scummy act, it has been genuine.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 10, 2013 11:21:03 GMT -5
Ugh,
NETA NETA haven't
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Post by Meeko on Sept 10, 2013 11:23:57 GMT -5
I usually spend half of my games fighting the urge to vote Meeko, but I don't have much of a bead on anyone else right now and I think all y'all are slippery PFK or 3rd Party sumbitches that aren't adhering to any of the handy traditional faction trajectories. Vote: MeekoIf we don't get a Jailer claim today, I have no idea what to do with Patricia once she is out of protective custody or whatnot. On one hand I cannot see how a Townie who has played in as many games as she has would play as she has so far this game, but on the other hand I have been burnt by that thought process before. If memory serves, most of the time when I am suspicious of 'aw shucks' being a scummy act, it has been genuine. For the record, this is the second vote on me without reason. Do I have this right, Cookies?
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Post by Meeko on Sept 10, 2013 11:34:05 GMT -5
COOKIES, SINJIN can you both define bandwagon for me?
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Post by sinjin on Sept 10, 2013 11:39:14 GMT -5
Vote: MeekoHe is contributing nothing. His vote for Texcat is stupid. In "Princess Bride" the scum had the power to jail people. NETA if I am "contributing nothing" what the hell is Jaade doing?Sinjin why have you voted for Jaade? I only have one vote. Jaade has disappeared completely, I am giving her the benefit of the doubt right now, but will consider voting for her soon. You have been here, but have only contributed nonsense since Day 1, except for when you were "jailed". Your vote on texcat is nonsense (do you like that better than stupid?).
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Post by sinjin on Sept 10, 2013 11:46:54 GMT -5
COOKIES, SINJIN can you both define bandwagon for me? Why don't you define it for me? I was the second vote on you. You want me to vote for Jaade instead. If I had voted for Jaade instead of you I would have been the second vote on her. Would that have been a bandwagon vote? Is every second vote on someone a bandwagon vote now? Or just seconds votes on Meeko? This is just another nonsense post by you Meeko.
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Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 10, 2013 12:04:32 GMT -5
Meeko, you voted for me on D1 because I cracked a joke on N0 asking you to. That's a non-reason. You've voted for Texcat twice just because of her apparent joke multi-vote/multi-unvotes. You seem to be convinced that that is the most suspect behavior being displayed by anyone. It is unusual, but seems pretty jokey and there is no evidence that she's up to anything. Texcat has also made some quality contributions to hunting scummers if you give her the benefit of the doubt that she's not leveraging any scummily-gleaned perfect information. In contrast, most of your contributions and votes have seemed to be reactive and only to posts/votes involving you directly. As others have mentioned, you seem to be picking at details that only bother you as opposed to considering other possible angles of scum/pfk hunting.
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Post by patricia on Sept 10, 2013 12:08:54 GMT -5
I was all set to vote for someone else but Meeko what are you doing? I'm even convinced that a vote on TexCat is a bad idea. Please explain
But until
Vote: meeko for being more dense than I have been
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 10, 2013 14:11:42 GMT -5
Okay here's where I sit right now.
Patricia. If you are the Doc that you say you are, why weren't you protecting Pleo last night? Please explain who you thought was a more worthy player to protect?
Texcat. Your vote/unvote thing is very odd, and like Meeko I'm not really sure that it's innocent and Jokey. The only thing that gives me pause is you HAVE been playing Pro-Town until this point.
Cookies, I have a slight Scum Read on.
Meeko, I never have a read on. I've had Strong Scum reads on him, to find out that he is Town, and I've never played with him when he's Scum.
Fruit, Is lurking too much, IMO.
I want to go back and look at votes, and see where everyone pans out.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 10, 2013 14:25:35 GMT -5
So. All of the votes on me, are simply because I am calling the emperor naked.
Got it.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 10, 2013 14:31:02 GMT -5
COOKIES, SINJIN can you both define bandwagon for me? Why don't you define it for me? I was the second vote on you. You want me to vote for Jaade instead. If I had voted for Jaade instead of you I would have been the second vote on her. Would that have been a bandwagon vote? Is every second vote on someone a bandwagon vote now? Or just seconds votes on Meeko? This is just another nonsense post by you Meeko. Defending against a bandwagon is nonsense. Got it.
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 10, 2013 14:33:12 GMT -5
Meeko:
Either you are seeing something that no one else is seeing with regard to Texcat's voting pattern, or you are exhibiting PIS. What, exactly do you think is the purpose of Texcat's multi-voting? What Scum and/or PFK motivation do you see therein?
Convince me.
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Post by Meeko on Sept 10, 2013 14:33:50 GMT -5
Meeko, you voted for me on D1 because I cracked a joke on N0 asking you to. That's a non-reason. You've voted for Texcat twice just because of her apparent joke multi-vote/multi-unvotes. You seem to be convinced that that is the most suspect behavior being displayed by anyone. It is unusual, but seems pretty jokey and there is no evidence that she's up to anything. Texcat has also made some quality contributions to hunting scummers if you give her the benefit of the doubt that she's not leveraging any scummily-gleaned perfect information. In contrast, most of your contributions and votes have seemed to be reactive and only to posts/votes involving you directly. As others have mentioned, you seem to be picking at details that only bother you as opposed to considering other possible angles of scum/pfk hunting. Would you rather go with words, words from someone that has perfect information, and can gain all the pro town cred they want Or actions? (Damn you Pleonast, get your signature out of my logic!) One time voting for three people is a joke. The second time, not so much. Fool me once.....
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 10, 2013 14:34:47 GMT -5
NETA: And two votes does not, IMO, a bandwagon make. Or is my vote count wrong?
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Post by Meeko on Sept 10, 2013 14:37:57 GMT -5
Meeko: Either you are seeing something that no one else is seeing with regard to Texcat's voting pattern, or you are exhibiting PIS. What, exactly do you think is the purpose of Texcat's multi-voting? What Scum and/or PFK motivation do you see therein? Convince me. Can't sleep so I'll be around. Whaddya want to talk about meeko. There was a recent game, a batman themed game iirc, where a role extra abilities once the player voted for everyone. That player did just that, rapid fire voting and unvoting each player, including himself, in one post. I wonder if Texcat doesn't have a similar mechanic. How do you suggest I convince you beyond this?
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Post by Sister Coyote on Sept 10, 2013 14:38:54 GMT -5
I want you to convince me that it is a Scum or PFK ability, and not a Town or third-party one.
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