I'd love to be voting Patricia right now, and I'd even switch to the jailer if they'd care to claim. Although, if meeko is the jailer, it would explain why no one was jailed on D3. So, I might actually be voting for the jailer.
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 10, 2013 21:11:33 GMT -5
Okay here's my case on Patricia and Fruit....
I'm going to Quote Bill here because he made a lot of sense from Day 2
It looks like a foregone conclusion with KidV. I do have issue with Patricia's vote in #99 (which was invalid) - "i don't want to waste my vote, but let me make sure kidv get's lynched" putting him at 5 votes; but you fixed the vote in #133 making it 6. I think you are scum playing safe.
Kid had 4 votes (Paranoia, Swammer and SilverJan, Cookies) Abstain had 3 votes (Texcat, Colby, and Pleo)
Patricia who I have a strong scum lean on swooped in and made a bad vote to try and put more distance on Kid/Abstain. That obviously didn't work, but then Fruit came in right behind her and "saved the day" for scum pushing it out 2 votes.
Between that vote, and his D1 vote on Townie Kid, and his admitting to active lurking. I think I'm going to land on:
Not every third party can be simply recruited you know. (see: Sinjin)
That's certainly true -- though there was nothing in my PM about being "recruitable", so I don't think we can assume anything based on the chance that where she can choose to look like anyone she couldn't also be recruited permanently to Scum.
Her PM said that she could not be recruited. Of course, while Pleo confirmed that Sinjin was 3rd party, we have no confirmation on the details of her PM, only her word on it. If her quoted PM is to be believed, she cannot be recruited permanently.
If gnarly was anything like me he could have picked between town and scum (which I believe is highly likely), Sinjin can freely pick sides, and so on and so forth. If any of us were just straight survivors from the start then it's likely they could be recruited, or if they had weirdly different wincons like Pleos.
Can you expand on this a little bit? Does your wincon look like Sinjin's? And what did Gnarly have to do with it? Does your PM say anything about whether you are recruitable?
Your case against me is relatively logical (obviously wrong from where I'm standing but you come by it honestly), except for the part where you're supporting it because apparently it's scummy to literally not have time to put a post together. That part's actually pretty frustrating, and if I didn't think it was more worth the town's time to focus on the three I mentioned than other milder suspicions, using something like that to push a lynch would make me want to reexamine the suspicions I already had against you. I get about fifteen hours of free time a week these days, with an extra swell last one; that really shouldn't affect your judgement or anyone else's, and I'm not sure why it's part of your case against me but not a strike against cookies or Para
Post by dizzymrslizzy on Sept 11, 2013 9:03:57 GMT -5
Meeko you have to stop taking it so personally. Cases always matter. I know self preservation matters also at times, but here's the thing.
Yes there may be a wagon on you, but if you are town, give us your thoughts and beliefs. Those of us who you leave behind will at least know your motivation instead of your current "cases doesn't matter" attitude.
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 11, 2013 13:16:47 GMT -5
For me, he's being annoying. And one of these days he's going to perfect the art of being annoying, non-contributive, fixated, reactionary scum. Who the heck knows if now is that time or not though. It seems like he's not inclined to claim at this point either, which is yet another thing that can be both suspect and yet fall in line with a Townie Meeko being his stubborn pro-meeko-but-anti-town self.
Unvote: Meeko Vote: Jaade
A lynched Jaade will at least provide information to the game with her flip.
So is the case on Meeko that he's being annoying, that he's exhibiting PIS, or something else?
Stuff like this:
At this point actual cases don't matter anymore. I tell everyone of the wagon on me, and no one cares.
At the point cases don't matter, mafia doesn't matter, it comes down to vote numbers. I was simply moving votes to people close in totals to my own.
He has shown no interest in scum hunting and has not since Day 1. All of his posts are nonsense. His play is completely anti-town. As I stated before I believe he is either PFK or scum. I would not be surprised at all if he is the jailer as someone up thread suggested. The only "case" he has made to date is that texcat might get some awesome powers if she votes for everyone because that happened in that Batman game..........once.
Is it ignorance or is it apathy? I don't know and I don't care.
Jaade D1 voted Pleo Jaade D2 voted Swammer and we haven't seen her since?
Pleo was 3rd party.....and Swammer was at the very lease 3rd Party at the start of D3.
Role name and faction was the information I was referring to. If she flips as severely lurking scum/pfk or awol scum/pfk that would be ideal. If she flips as 3rd party that at least gives us hard data and makes a dent in what we don't know. If she's Town that will suck, but would again give us hard data and make a dent in what we don't know.
Jaade hasn't signed in since 9/6 at about 2 am. Therefore she did not night-kill Pleo or jail Patricia. I hate lurkers or those who go awol as much or probably more than most but don't see the value of lynching her today. I am more concerned with the jailer and how he/she is picking candidates. Why pick Meeko as the first to be jailed? Why pick Patricia as the second when she was coming under suspicion and had off handedly claimed doc? And why was no one jailed in between Meeko and Patricia? Was it because the jailer, jailed himself?
Lynching Jaade who isn't even here to claim is just lazy, lazy, lazy.
Is it ignorance or is it apathy? I don't know and I don't care.
Post by ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies on Sept 11, 2013 14:37:31 GMT -5
By my reckoning, lynching Meeko is pretty lazy too. I am ok with being called lazy if nets a scum or pfk.
But they are both sticking out like sore thumbs. What suspicions I have about anyone else, while arguably more relevant to the game, are stuck in a soup of null tells and the vagueness of what seems to be a game that is light on traditional Scum or Town. Based on the current vote count, it looks like lots of other people are in a similar frame of mind.
I for one would like more data as context to dig into those who are participating.